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« on: December 14, 2012, 03:46:45 PM »

I am sure many of you heard about this tragedy.  I was at dialysis this morning when I remembered that one of my best friends from high school works at the school that this happened at.  I did not bring my computer to dialysis so I could not check on her status.  She also has a very young daughter.  I could not bring myself to call her and had to wait until I got home to find out if she and her daughter were okay.  They are thank God.  They are in my thoughts and prayers along with so many of the other families.

NEWTOWN, Conn.—A gunman opened fire at a Connecticut elementary school where his mother worked, killing 26 people, including 20 children, law-enforcement officials said, in what could be the worst mass shooting at a U.S. elementary or high school.

The shooter was found dead inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, a community of about 27,000 located about 65 miles northeast of New York City. State police said another victim was found dead elsewhere in Newtown, putting the total toll at 28.

 
WSJ's Alison Fox reports live from the firehouse in Newtown, Conn. where children from the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting have been evacuated. Photo: Twitter.com/AlisonFox.

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Law-enforcement officials identified the suspected shooter as 20-year-old Adam Lanza. Officials said the alleged shooter's mother was a teacher at the school, and she was believed to be among the victims. Earlier, a law-enforcement official incorrectly identified the suspect as Mr. Lanza's brother, Ryan. Authorities didn't identify a motive.

The attack at Sandy Hook, a historic village lined with colonial homes in Newtown, began at about 9:40 a.m. and was concentrated around a single classroom, a school bathroom and a hallway, an official said.

Diane Day, a therapist at the school, was sitting with the principal, Dawn Hochsprung, other staff members and a parent in a routine meeting around 9:30 a.m. when she heard gunshots. "We were there for about five minutes chatting and we heard, 'pop pop pop,' " she said. "I went under the table."

Ms. Hochsprung and school psychologist leaped out of their seats and ran out of the room, Ms. Day said. "They didn't think twice about confronting or seeing what was going on," she said. Ms. Hochsprung was killed in the massacre.

Without a lock on the door, the school's lead teacher pressed her body against the door to hold it shut, Ms. Day said. That teacher was shot through the door in the leg and arm. "She was our hero," Ms. Day said.

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Connecticut State Police led children from the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., after a shooting there Friday.

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Lt. J. Paul Vance, a spokesman for the Connecticut State Police, said that multiple law-enforcement agencies were engaged in "search-warrant activity." Lt. Vance said investigators were looking "both in and out of state" for information on the gunman but assured the public that they weren't at risk.

A federal law-enforcement official said a .223 Bushmaster rifle was found in the back of a vehicle at the scene. Two firearms were recovered near the alleged gunman's body: a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both handguns.

The scene was chaotic as initial reports of a shooting grew steadily worse. Joe Wasik, whose daughter, Alexis, is in the third grade at the school, said his wife called him a little after 10 a.m. after receiving a text from the town's automated alert system on her phone. Checking his laptop, Mr. Wasik saw the reports of a shooting and raced to the scene.

"There were cars everywhere," he said, describing a crush of parents at a nearby firehouse where parents were sent to look for their children among those evacuated from the school.

Alexis, who was standing in the crowd, crying, was "a nervous wreck," he said. Mr. Wasik said his daughter had sheltered in a closet during the shooting, and he wasn't sure if she had heard the shots.

Mr. Wasik's wife took their daughter to a cousin's house to play in an attempt to take her mind off the shooting. He remained in the firehouse to wait for a friend, who was sequestered in another room at the firehouse—an area for parents whose children were still missing.

Mr. Wasik's voice was still shaking, hours after the massacre. "Pretty much everyone has dispersed, except for parents with missing children," he said.

President Barack Obama was notified of the attack around 10:30 a.m. by his counterterrorism and homeland security adviser, John Brennan, White House press secretary Jay Carney said.

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Mr. Obama spoke on the phone with Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Robert Mueller and Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy to receive an update on the situation and express his condolences, Mr. Carney said.

Mr. Malloy, in a news conference Friday afternoon, said "you can never be prepared for this kind of incident," adding that what happened "will leave a mark on this community and every family impacted."

Mr. Obama delivered an emotional statement from the White House Friday afternoon, tearing up several times as he spoke of the children who were killed. "They had their entire lives ahead of them—birthday, weddings, kids of their own," Mr. Obama said pausing to wipe tears from his eyes.

Saying he was reacting as a parent of two daughters, he called the shooting a "heinous crime" and vowed to press for meaningful action, regardless of the politics, to prevent more such incidents in the future. "We've endured too many of these tragedy in the last few years," he said.

The death toll at Sandy Hook Elementary, which has nearly 600 students in kindergarten through 4th grade and 42 teachers, exceeds the death at Columbine High School in 1999, which left 12 students and one teacher dead at the hands of two fellow students, who also took their own lives.

In 2007, 33 people including the gunmen were shot and killed on the campus of Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va.

Schools nationwide have increased security measures since the fatal shooting at Columbine. Many installed metal detectors, developed detailed crisis plans, implemented policies to keep school doors locked and accessible only by buzzer, and put teachers and staff through training session on how to recognize and deal with threats.

Michael Dorn, executive director of Safe Havens International, a nonprofit that works with thousands of U.S. schools to develop safety plans, said there has been a dramatic improvement in school safety "but so much more" could be done.

 
New details on the shooter at Sandy Hook Elementary School: Suspect was a 20-year-old man. Photo: AP Images.

A letter sent to Sandy Hook parents earlier this year described a new security protocol put in place at the school. The protocol requires identification for most visitors who must ring a doorbell to gain entry to the school's front entrance, which is locked after 9:30 a.m.

"If our office staff does not recognize you, you will be required to show identification with a picture ID," the letter said.

Leigh Libero's daughter, Joey, would have been in a second-grade classroom Friday morning, but she had a dentist appointment. As Ms. Libero pulled up to the school, she saw just-erected barricades and received an urgent text message from her sister, who works at a television news station in Hartford.

Children were led out the school's driveway, directly to the firehouse, where parents streamed in "en masse" to locate their children, Ms. Libero said. "This is the perfect New England town," Ms. Libero said. "You wouldn't think of this."

Ms. Libero said parents were trying to determine how the gunman entered the school. The school uses a double-secured door during the day, she said. Visitors approaching the school must press a button to be buzzed in through the outer set of school doors to enter the building.

Carrie Usher, a fourth-grade teacher at Sandy Hook, was having a team meeting with three other teachers while her class worked in the library. They heard gunfire and then the loudspeaker came on with "fighting and crying and maybe some screaming," sounds of chaos that she said were being broadcast throughout the building.

"The gunfire was just unbelievable it felt like it lasted for five minutes. It wouldn't stop," she said.

Three of the teachers jumped out the window of their meeting room, Ms. Usher said, while the fourth remained behind and hid behind bags and boxes. The door opened and someone came in but that person didn't see the hiding teacher.

Ms. Usher is still uncertain what was broadcast over the loudspeaker. "I think it was fighting," she said in a phone interview. "I think it was the principal before she was killed put that out there to warn the teachers what was happening. I believe so. We don't know."

—Carol E. Lee, Jared A. Favole, Tedd Mann, Jacob Gershman, Alison Fox, Stephanie Banchero, Jack Nicas and Sophia Hollander contributed to this article.
Write to Tamer El-Ghobashy at tamer.el-ghobashy@wsj.com and Devlin Barrett at devlin.barrett@wsj.com

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Law-enforcement officials have corrected the identity of the suspected shooter as Adam Lanza. Earlier, a law-enforcement official had incorrectly identified the suspect as Mr. Lanza's brother, Ryan.



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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 03:56:15 PM »

Marc,

Even though your friend and her daughter were not injured by gunshots, they were still injured. The psychological assault on them may take a long time to heal.

I did not have any media contact during the day and only learned of this tragedy after the children had gone home. I am still terribly shaken by it. We teach peace at our school, but how do you explain when people are not peaceful?

We sang this song yesterday as part of our normal day (you can hear a recording of it by clicking the link for "May All Children":

http://www.musictogether.com/MayAllChildren#

It will be hard for me to lead my students in singing this now. I feel incredibly sad because of this awful event.

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 06:06:49 PM »

Eric Clapton
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Would you know my name
If I saw you in heaven?
Would you feel the same
If I saw you in heaven?
I must be strong and carry on
'Cause I know I don't belong here in heaven

Would you hold my hand
If I saw you in heaven?
Would you help me stand
If I saw you in heaven?
I'll find my way through night and day
'Cause I know I just can't stay here in heaven

Time can bring you down, time can bend your knees
Time can break your heart, have you begging please, begging please

Beyond the door there's peace I'm sure
And I know there'll be no more tears in heaven

Would you know my name
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Would you feel the same
If I saw you in heaven?
I must be strong and carry on
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 06:48:41 PM »

I was at work when I saw it on TV-It is so senseless it takes your breath away- those beautiful babies, those poor families....I hope knowing the nation is mourning with them in the days to come gives them all a tiny bit of solace. Its just heartbreaking.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 06:55:10 PM »

I could barely work today when I heard about this.   I was so sad, so sad and heartbroken for the families.  All this around Christmas time...I don't have kids, but I cannot imagine what these families are going through.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2012, 11:32:26 PM »

This breaks my heart... It scares me to think that my 2 year old son may have to deal with something like this... I can remember when I was in elementary school, without a care in the world... I lived 2 blocks from it and walked to school everyday.  I live near one now as well, and I hardly ever see children by themselves (which is good), but I think back about my childhood when the world wasn't nearly as scary as it is today.  I can't even imagine how these families, friends of these families, can even think about having to bury their loved ones (especially a child!!), and have to have it around the holidays! 

I am no where near religious, but my thoughts and "prayers" go out to all these people in hopes that they will get through this.

What made me the most angry about this (besides the fact that this man did it in the first place), is the fact that people have been arguing about it with political rants, and everything on Facebook... people can't even grieve for five minutes or think about how it's a horrible tragedy without bringing up politics... ugh.  Makes me sick.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 01:49:47 AM »

My 3 kids went to that school. Some one stated it is a typical New England town, and it is. Never in my wildest nightmares did I ever think I could take my kids to school in the morning and never see them again. We will never know what was on that young mans mind as he prepared to go into a school and murder innocent children. I hope and pray that the families of these children AND the adults have a strong faith in God. That is the only way for them to live thu this.
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 05:51:10 AM »

I don't know what the answer is.  No guns?  or maybe arm the teachers.  Maybe if the Principal had a gun in her desk she could have ended the punk's life before he took 27 lives?  Then he offed himself!  Saved the taxpayers a ton of money.  There are a lot of sick people out there.  I don't know the answer.  I'm so sad.
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 03:31:11 PM »

I am in CT. It is true that Newtown (Sandy Hook) is a very quiet town that you would never, ever believe that this could happen in. My heart breaks for every single family affected, especially the families directly affected.

I have learned today that the Westborough Baptist Church is going to be coming to CT to protest at Sandy Hook Elementary School. This is the same group who protests soldiers funerals. They are happy that this has happened. They have no business here. It's hard enough to lose somebody you love especially with tv camera crews all over the town and publicity all over the world. I am really hoping something can be done to prevent them from being anywhere near the school or even near the town. Here is the link so you can see what I'm talking about:   http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-westboro-baptist-church-planning-to-picket

I can't imagine (as has been stated) sending a child to school in the morning, never expecting to see your child again. The worst part is that parents really didn't know until they started coming to the school for the younger grades Holiday Party. (This was a local news report last night).

This really, really brings the point home of telling your loved ones how much you love them and give an extra hug, just because.
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 03:37:51 PM »

This shows that simply declaring a place a "gun free zone" does nothing except assure victims (who tend to be law abiding) will be unarmed.  The only practical choices are airport style perimeter security or on-site response (heavy police presence or trained and armed teachers/faculty).
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2012, 09:54:14 PM »

Sadly, this sort of thing seems to happen all too regularly. I can't say that I've ever been to Connectcut, but I have been to Oslo in Norway, where and even bigger massacre took place last year. I don't know why these tragedies occur in today's day and age. It's a shame that deadly weapons can be so easily obtained. In an ideal word, this sort of thing would never happen. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012, 10:06:17 PM »

The WBC people just really cheese me off.  I will tell you if anyone, I mean anyone, came near my child's funeral to protest, they damn well better be prepared for their own funeral to be held!

I hope the families of these babies who died are given the peace and tranquility they need to bury their babies and some how begin again.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2012, 10:07:41 PM »

These killers seem to be following a pattern.  They dress up in military gear, arm themselves to the hilt and go out and mow people down.

I have two questions...why does anyone need a firearm like the one Adam Lanza used?  Does anyone use a gun like that for hunting? 

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Another common thread is mental illness.  These killers clearly are ill, and we need to make sure we are better at identifying and treating these people.  I propose a 5% added MHT...a Mental Health Tax levied on all firearm purchases.  Since the Federal gov't has no more money and we want to control spending, let the individuals who buy these weapons pay for more/better access to mental health assessments/treatments.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 10:24:25 PM »

The WBC people just really cheese me off.  I will tell you if anyone, I mean anyone, came near my child's funeral to protest, they damn well better be prepared for their own funeral to be held!

I hope the families of these babies who died are given the peace and tranquility they need to bury their babies and some how begin again.

I thought they protested at military funerals. Am I missing something?
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 10:37:25 PM »

They are protesting because "parents voted for gay marriage"
and "god hates fags" you know *rolls eyes*

It is SICK and these jerkoffs should be stopped.

i hear there will be a counter protest to try and block the WBC from being seen by the families.

I have a feeling something bad and big is going to happen...

Whats also sad about this is the media giving the shooter so much attention, while not giving the children and teachers the attention. I dont think they sould even say that asshats name. Say something like, "the shooter, who we wont name and give any attention to..." because giving them this attention is part of the reason it keeps happening... and then the gun control bs... smh
THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON IS THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES THAT WERE EFFECTED BY THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2012, 11:57:54 AM »

Westboro Church thrives on publicity. The most powerful thing you can do to them is ignore them if you are unlucky enough to ever cross paths with them. Watch The Most Hated Family in America and the sequel, The Most Hated Family in America in Crisis if you want to see Louis Theroux declaw them. He points out that they do the most violence to themselves with all of this hate that, as he puts it, is reflected back at them.
This shows that simply declaring a place a "gun free zone" does nothing except assure victims (who tend to be law abiding) will be unarmed.  The only practical choices are airport style perimeter security or on-site response (heavy police presence or trained and armed teachers/faculty).
This shows nothing of the sort! Oh my god, arming the faculty at a primary school??!! I don't even... what?

I don't believe there is any one factor responsible for these episodes, but I believe a culture that glorifies violence as the US does, an appalling record of treating mental illness as MM mentioned, and an unforgiving "every man for himself" attitude masquerading as some sort of virtuous, rugged individualism are all partially to blame. As the saying goes, if guns made a country safer, America would be one of the safest places in the world.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2012, 06:13:41 PM »

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This is a huge part of the problem.  Every loser headcase knows that he can be front page news, get a direct response from the president, and be known by name to every household in the country if he does something like this.   In a year or two, lots of people will remember the villains name but far fewer will remember the names of any of the victims.

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2012, 09:25:27 PM »

I believe strongly that this isn't a gun issue, and of course NOT because of gay marriage being passed in the state.  More funding should go in to mental health research, and keeping those of which with mental illness on medication and in counseling. 
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2012, 11:16:56 PM »

Every loser headcase knows that he can be front page news, get a direct response from the president, and be known by name to every household in the country if he does something like this.   In a year or two, lots of people will remember the villains name but far fewer will remember the names of any of the victims.


I disagree with this.  There have been so many shooters and so many victims that quite honestly I don't remember the names of any of them (except Gabby Giffords).

Dismissing the people who are the shooters by calling them "loser headcases" is part of the problem.  This is indicative of how we treat those who are mentally ill.  Now put a powerful weapon in his hands and look what you get.

Naming the shooter and exploring what motivated him to do such a horrible thing is not "glorifying" him.  It is, rather, an effort to answer that ever present question, "Why?"

Anniq83, why do you so strongly believe that this is not a gun issue?  Can you perhaps tell me why any private citizen would need a weapon like the one this kid used to kill these people?  I will keep asking this question until someone can give me a logical and coherent question.  I have now asked twice, and I am still awaiting an answer.

Oh, and if you are calling for "more funding" for mental health research, who do you propose should pay for it? 
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2012, 02:20:59 AM »

I lean towards the "more funding" for the mentally ill. Not that those with dementia are usually going to go out and get a gun, the point is, the families need help dealing with this. They used to have asylums everywhere, and it was one of the first things to be cut, years ago. People who are insane can look very normal and you would not know, until they flip out, or stop taking their meds, then they are uncontrollable, and the problems begin. Where would the funding come from? I dont know, but I do know we are still sending money to other countries and helping others. We need to address this problem before any more damage was done.
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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2012, 03:37:23 AM »

Uhm, I just read that the US spends about 10 times as much on wars, than it does on actual aid abroad?
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2012, 04:34:15 AM »

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I dont know if this is a good answer, but i have one :)
My dad has guns, lots of guns, you could say hes a gun collector... He keeps them locked in a heavy duty safe. He loves to hunt, so most of them are the rifles? i think thats what they are called. but he also has hand guns. One I know he has for security lol the others are heirlooms? passed down from other family members...
Now, you asked why anyone would 'need' a gun like that? I dont really think they do, because you can protect yourself just as easily with a rifle, or hell, even a muskette. People did that for a long time, didnt they? But it is a faster weapon. if your busy loading while someone is trying to hurt you or your family, your screwed. My dad is a good man, and loves his guns, it would be sad to see someone take that away. I personally stand on the side that if a criminal wants a gun, they will find a way, gun control or not... And if the government cant protect us, or refuse to, then we have to be able to protect ourselves. And who knows, might have to protect ourselves from them!

And I do agree with both on the case of the shooter. I think what I said was both right and wrong. We do need those questions answered, but not in the way that totally makes the guy memorable. I guess I said that right...
And we do need more mental health funding. Its really unfortunate, that we have doctors without boarders willing to go overseas to help for free, but none here helping like that. instead, its expensive! Ive been dealing with mental health facilities since i was 11, and I personally dont see that they do much good anyway. Most of the people ive seen arent that great at what they do. (of course I go to the cheap places... i think maybe thats the problem lol) A good one would cost me an arm and a leg, and doubt insurance would cover it.
My brother recently lost his mind, and his insurance only covers like 6 visits a year, something he definitely needs A LOT more of! Hes batshit crazy...

There will always be people like this, killing innocent people. Their reasoning can be anything, and the result wont change. Some people just suck. Some people cant be helped, Some dont want to be helped.
And having gun control or better mental health programs probably wont change that, there are other weapons, other ways...
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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2012, 06:22:07 AM »

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Oh my god, arming the faculty at a primary school??!! I don't even... what?
Hard to argue with logic like that.
I believe the logic of the response should match the logic of the proposal. :beer1;

This does beg the question, which you are welcome to ignore, when was the last time you were in a classroom full of six and seven year olds? (the age of these victims). For me, the answer would be just over 5 hours ago, which might be why I didn't feel it necessary to bullet point the many, many terrifying possibilities that would come from a plan like this being implemented. My American friend and I were talking about how this would have been our kids if this had happened at their school. I took the "arm the faculty and staff" suggestion straight to mothers of six and seven year olds from 3 different countries, and the response was less than supportive.
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2012, 06:55:32 AM »

All I can say is I have never been more embarrassed and ashamed of being an American. We are a nation over run with red necks who think that their right to have an assault weapon and the ammo to go with it trumps their neighbor's right to safety in their own home and communities. Some of our most recent mass murderers obtained their arsenal legally, like that creep in Aurora. Why was he allowed to do this? Not only should a thorough background check be done at the time of purchase,  but a thorough mental evaluation should be done as well. In fact, gun ownership should be a licensed right. Pass a thorough background check and major psych eval in order to get your license. When you buy your gun and arsenal, every piece should have an identification number that is entered into a database under your name. You must be required to purchase a secure locked safe for your guns, and be required by law to keep them under lock and key. If your gun gets in someone else's hands, you will be responsible for the carnage they may create. Can't handle that kind of responsibility? Then don't own a gun. It's that simple. This mother of the gunman should NEVER have had such weaponry and arsenal in her home, knowing full well she had a son with some mental type problems. Parents need to take responsibility for their children. If you have children and guns in the home, educate them on what they do and how dangerous they are. If your kid has anger issues, then man-up or woman-up and get those guns OUT OF YOUR HOME!!!! Accept the fact that if you cannot 100% guarantee the safety of your weapon, then your death that you're trying to prevent is better than the deaths of your neighbors if that gun gets in the wrong hands.

I am so spitting angry at ALL of this. I wish to hell I could get out of this god-forsaken country.

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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2012, 07:25:04 AM »

All I can say is I have never been more embarrassed and ashamed of being an American. We are a nation over run with red necks who think that their right to have an assault weapon and the ammo to go with it trumps their neighbor's right to safety in their own home and communities. Some of our most recent mass murderers obtained their arsenal legally, like that creep in Aurora. Why was he allowed to do this? Not only should a thorough background check be done at the time of purchase,  but a thorough mental evaluation should be done as well. In fact, gun ownership should be a licensed right. Pass a thorough background check and major psych eval in order to get your license. When you buy your gun and arsenal, every piece should have an identification number that is entered into a database under your name. You must be required to purchase a secure locked safe for your guns, and be required by law to keep them under lock and key. If your gun gets in someone else's hands, you will be responsible for the carnage they may create. Can't handle that kind of responsibility? Then don't own a gun. It's that simple. This mother of the gunman should NEVER have had such weaponry and arsenal in her home, knowing full well she had a son with some mental type problems. Parents need to take responsibility for their children. If you have children and guns in the home, educate them on what they do and how dangerous they are. If your kid has anger issues, then man-up or woman-up and get those guns OUT OF YOUR HOME!!!! Accept the fact that if you cannot 100% guarantee the safety of your weapon, then your death that you're trying to prevent is better than the deaths of your neighbors if that gun gets in the wrong hands.

I am so spitting angry at ALL of this. I wish to hell I could get out of this god-forsaken country.

KarenInWA

I do know for a fact, if you have any mental health history background, you cant legally buy a gun or get a foid card (at least, thats how it is in Illinois, idk about other places.) I also know for a fact that if you already have a foid card (the thing you have to have to buy and use a gun) and you end up going nuts for a moment, they take that right away. (happened to my brother!!)

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