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Off-Topic => Political Debates - Thick Skin Required for Entry => Topic started by: Rerun on October 03, 2017, 10:59:46 AM
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Prayers for all the Country Music Fans slaughtered and attempted slaughtered. Who knows what makes nut jobs tick.
Ban Guns?? We have banned Drugs! How has that worked out for us?? More than 64,000 Americans died from drug overdoses in 2016. Some are prescription, but not toxic if taken as directed, or SOLD (which is illegal)
No LAWS would have stopped what happened. Murder... is against the law for crap sake.
It is a matter of the heart. There is Evil out there. Ban That!
So Sad. Cowboy-up :pray;
Thank you Law Enforcement !! They are finally getting a Thank you! I Back Our Blue! :police:
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A law restricting the size of the magazines would have caused periodic pauses as the moron reloaded. The god forsaken NRA has been lobbying Congress to make silencers for all weapons legal, this incident has caused congress to table the law. If the moron in Vegas had a silencer it would have been more difficult for the crowd to figure out where to hide.
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If they MAKE sliencers, then he could have gotten one, legal or not, if he (MORON) wanted one. That is the problem. Murder is illegal and banned in this country (well almost) but it happens. Drugs are banned in this country.
Keep trying. We may come up with something.
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I really don't understand why everyone who supports unrestricted gun rights wastes so much time praying for the victims.
Those people refuse to even try to address the issue. They refuse to accept that this is an American problem they continue to force upon us and that as such they must help come up with a solution. The gun control movement has proposed their solution to the problem - other then getting more war like weapons on the street and into our public areas what has the gun rights movement offered?
I grew up in the Alaskan bush in a family who subsistence hunted for food. When my brother took down a bear with either a 12 gauge or .30-06 we canned it and eat it. It doesn't take much to kill. With registration and limited availability of firearms people could still defend them selves or hunt for pleasure or food.
I'm sure when Don Junior went to hunt moose this year in Canada he bought at most two guns with him - no silencers, no semi automatic weapons of war, no clips with a huge amount of bullets etc.
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The god forsaken NRA has been lobbying Congress to make silencers for all weapons legal, this incident has caused congress to table the law. If the moron in Vegas had a silencer it would have been more difficult for the crowd to figure out where to hide.
Suppressors are perfectly legal after giving the ATF $200.00 and waiting 6-8 months for them to process the form. The suppressors are also $400 to $800 each and can only be paired to one host (firearm), to be legal, so you can't just slap one on whatever you want. They are mandatory for hunters in England and many parts of Europe to keep from bothering the neighbors while hunting. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these things in America. I don't have any but know several people who have 5-6 and know one guy who has a total of 40. I have shot several and can tell you you still need hearing protection, especially with a high velocity round like the .223/5.56 (AR-15/M16) and the 7.62x39 (AK47). In 30 years I have never heard or read of a crime being committed with a suppressor.
BTW, Don Jr was the driving force behind the hearing protection act after using them to hunt.
Also, 59 (white people) dead and 530 (white people) wounded in Vegas which prompts nationwide hand wringing and lamentation.
Chicago, year to date, 498 killed by gunshot, 2395 shot and wounded. The difference? Only 14 of the dead identified as white/other, 414 black, 93 hispanic. Chicago had 57 shot and killed for the MONTH of September. Here is the link to my source. I apologise for the name of the website, but it has all the relevant stats. http://heyjackass.com/category/2017-stats/
What "unrestricted gun rights" are you referring to?
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Yes Chicago, DC, New York City all have huge amounts of guns despite have strict gun laws at the city or state level. But that's because there is no like strict national law, so anyone can drive to a nearby states and buy guns with limited control.
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Yes Chicago, DC, New York City all have huge amounts of guns despite have strict gun laws at the city or state level. But that's because there is no like strict national law, so anyone can drive to a nearby states and buy guns with limited control.
No, they have huge amounts of CRIME. Plus a predominately african-american population who feel persecuted, neglected, and victimized by law enforcement. Why should they follow "white man's laws"?
Laws only restrict law abiding citizens. It is against the law, nationwide, to purchase a firearm in a state in which you do not reside, and then take that gun home. If I go to Oklahoma and purchase a gun, that dealer has to ship it to a Federal Firearms License holder who will then do the transfer paperwork and the background check and wait the required 5 day waiting period before I can take possession of it. To do it any other way would be illegal, in which case I wouldn't bother with the drive and figure out an easier way to get one here.
The passing of the Brady Bill put more guns in the hands of people who had no interest in them, than the 8 years of the paranoia brought on by the thought of Barak Obama outlawing them. If you are talking an outright ban, that would involve going door to door and searching every building in America. This ain't Australia. Cops are going to have to kick in a lot of doors, yours included. I guarantee that will start a civil war. You have no idea how many people are out there preparing for society to collapse and are actually excited about it. Cops included, BTW.
The ironic thing is, if he HAD tried to acquire the guns illegally, a snitch would have probably turned him in to the police. It sounds like he did the purchases legally which would not raise any red flags unless he was acting froggy at the gun shop. We just had a doctor stabbed to death by a patient, here. The killer had tried to buy a gun at a gun shop but was acting weird so the store declined to sell to him, so the dude had to get a knife and do it the old fashioned way. A couple of years ago another guy wanted to set a car bomb off at the airport. The guy he went to to get the explosive ratted him out to the ATF and they strung the guy along. They had to wait until he was in the van with the fake explosive and couldn't make the arrest until he pushed the button he thought would make it go boom. They explained they couldn't arrest on INTENT just ACTION.
I learned a long time ago to not trust any news organization to get any story right. I'm going to wait until the police finish their investigation before I get all hot and bothered about anything. I just pray the guy left clues or a manifesto at home or on a computer. There's got to be a reason. I can't fathom hurting one person, much less over 500.
There is actually talk about requiring hotels to have metal detectors and bag searches. I usually wait until I get to the room to get felt up by a stranger. If I'm in Vegas paying $200 for a hooker, I don't want to get "half way there" in the lobby.
Sorry, I've just gotta make a joke, it's this black sense of humor. Remember, it says right in the forum title, thick skin required. Here goes:
Seriously, it's pretty offensive. You should quit reading now.
"Maybe he was just a cranky old fart and he couldn't sleep because of the loud music?"
Ok, done. Got it out of my system. Sorry again.
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It is against the law, nationwide, to purchase a firearm in a state in which you do not residence
Close. You may only buy handguns in your state of residence, but can buy long guns in any state as long as the purchase would be legal in your state of residence. Look at 18 USC 922 as well as BAFTE ruling letters for details on the federal gun laws.
There is actually talk about requiring hotels to have metal detectors and bag searches. I usually wait until I get to the room to get felt up by a stranger. If I'm in Vegas paying $200 for a hooker, I don't want to get "half way there" in the lobby.
There are plenty of legitimate cases where a person may take a gun to their room. Multiple organizations have hosted large (300+ competitor) shooting matches, both handgun and long gun, in Las Vegas (Desert Sportsmens comes to mind). Some of these take place over several days, and competitors will strip their guns for cleaning between uses. In fact, I was in one hotel in upstate NY that had a big lobby sign "Rags available at front desk, please do not use our towels to clean your guns". (Must have been very reassuring to people not in town for the match)
I was at one where some people had checked out before the awards banquet and left their weapons in their cars - and had them stolen, possibly because someone knew of the event and the booty to be had. I don't know anyone who is going to feel comfortable leaving $4000 guns (typical of the crowd I hang with) in their car while they sleep in a LV hotel.
Also, Nevada is a open carry state (concealed w/permit) and many people normally go armed. It's just not a big deal out there, and not primia facie indication of criminal activity.
And do couples really want LV security opening their bags to verify it really is handcuffs and not a small gun?
No, they have huge amounts of CRIME. Plus a predominately african-american population who feel persecuted, neglected, and victimized by law enforcement. Why should they follow "white man's laws"?
You missed the memo. Any opinion other than "blacks and whites commit crimes at equal rates" is racist and must not be uttered.
ATF $200.00 and waiting 6-8 months for them to process the form
My SBR form 1 is up to 10 months and counting :(
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I have been in the UK for almost 3 weeks and so have been able to view this issue from a different viewpoint. Whenever I am here, I am an avid listener of talk radio, and guns in America has been a hot topic ( what is odd is that it seems that every time I am here, there is some headline news gun atrocity, so this is a well worn topic) . "Has America Lost It 's Mind?" was the title of one radio topic on LBC just yesterday. One guest was the radio host of a US pro gun show, and as he tried to explain why gun ownership is synonymous with freedom, he began to sound like a right nutcase.
If you are one of those who declares that it is not guns that kill people but, rather, it is people who kill people, then I submit that we as a people are unfit, that we as a society no longer can distinguish between the money grubbing propaganda of the NRA and self restraint from giving in to whatever peculiar desire that drives one to want to, above all else, own their own private arsenal.
The fact is that in today's USA, gun ownership no longer means freedom. It is no longer a symbol of liberty. Gun ownership now means mass murder, psychopathic madmen, the death of innocents and the growing fear of any random stranger.
America is now a do nothing nation. We have reduced ourselves to a plethora of clichés. We pray for the victims, we pray for the families, we applaud the first responders and then declare the affected city to be ... Strong.
We like to view the US as that shining city on the hill. Shining for whom? No one here in the UK is looking at us with anything but horror and disbelief. If you do not care how other nation see us, then we are not so shiny.
Get rid of this psychopathic obsession with guns, and make America great again.
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Murder rates in St Louis aren't near as high as Chicago, but are still way too high. Most, mot all, are Black on Black. I don't understand how/why the Blacks can continue blaming Whitey yet keep killing each other. It's just sad to lose so many young lives, regardless of color, they are far too young and need to learn to live together and figure out how to get past killing.
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I am not aware of black gang members in Chicago "blaming whitey".
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I have just listened to a Florida deputy explain that it is legal to own a semi automatic weapon. It is illegal to own a fully automatic weapon. It is legal to buy online the mechanism that one can use to make a semi into an automatic, but it is still illegal to have that fully automatic. This is what the police are saying the LVN killer did.
When asked if this made any sense, the deputy looked frustrated as he vigorously shook his head.
Seems to me that if we truly want to show respect for our police and first responders, we could find ways to keep them safer, like banning the sale of gizmos like these. But it is not really about freedom, is it. It is about money and revenue.
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Regarding the common answer against gun control that if you limited guns they would still find a way to kill people, i.e. knives or a truck. FYI this is a view I also had in college. Yesterday I listened to a brave Nevada representative on NRP making the same statement.
I think France provides a good example of why we would much prefer people to not have access to guns. Yes they had the deadly convert shootings (guns again), but more recently that have had various knife attacks, in the most recent case two people were killed.
Two people dead is a big improvement over 59 dead + hundreds injured.
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There is just something wrong with us. Here in the UK, hunters have guns, but there is not this driving obsession with them. I keep getting asked why there are so many guns in the US, and I cannot come up with anything that makes sense I find myself prattling on about US history and the wild west and freedom, but it comes out sounding like a load of rubbish.
Where were the good guys with a gun in LVN? The NRA promised us that those armed good guys would protect us from the bad guy with the gun. More bs.
Sure, if you really want to kill someone, you could use a knife. But something must happen to someone's mind when they get that gun in their hand. There is no time nor effort needed to pull the trigger. It is so easy.
And if we really DO all need to be armed in order to protect ourselves from each other (because how are we to know who just had a baaaad day), then what kind of scathing indictment about American society is THAT?
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And if we really DO all need to be armed in order to protect ourselves from each other (because how are we to know who just had a baaaad day), then what kind of scathing indictment about American society is THAT?
And don't blame "black gang members," on the need for guns to protect yourself if you are non African American. 90% of the people African Americans kill are other African Americans... And don't blame MS13 as they use machetes.
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This is my latest Facebook post. So far, no gun nutter snowflake has spewed any right-wing rhetoric, but I'm sure it's coming.
The NRA spent $52 million buying votes and politicians for the 2016 election. I challenge each and every one of them to donate that $$ to the victims, and for the NRA to match each and every $ that is donated. Then I challenge them to do the same for every other innocent victim of a legally purchased gun. Time for the tainted money to be put to actual use. Time for American lives to be put before snowflake ball tuckers insatiable appetite to build up arsenal for who the f*#k knows what. F*#anyone who claims that's their "right". What about my right to not live next door to something that takes away my safety?? Personal protection and hunting? I'm all for that! Semi-automatic and a sh! ton of arsenal?? F*#k no, red neck white (or black, brown or purple) ball tucking snowflake. Go take your arsenal to the middle of BFE and blow yourself up with your toys.
KarenInWA
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Hollywood is wanting all guns banned but continue making shoot em' up movie after movie. Blood and guts brings them millions. Maybe we should ban those horrible movies. There has been movies from which killers are up in a high place (like a hotel) where the good guys with guns have no way of reaching them. Thanks Hollywood. Some sick minds have already thought of what this guy did and then showed him how to do it.
We can ban almost anything. That doesn't mean people won't get it that want to. Lets ban drugs again and see if people listen this time. Let's ban video murder killing games! That may stop the mind seeding of evil.
I don't know how we stop any of the nut jobs. But to not pray for victims and families? WOW that is really sick.
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Hollywood shoot em up movies are shown all over the world, but it is the US that has more of these LVN type mass shootings. Why is that? It just supports my theory that there is something fundamentally wrong with Americans.
I keep hearing that banning guns will not work, that we will still see this country awash in murder. Again, that shows me that the US is sick and is getting sicker.
The victims do not need prayers. They need congress to listen to us telling them that the status quo is unacceptable. Maybe God is trying to tell us something but our leaders who are getting campaign funds from pro gun groups are not listening. Karen, your fb post is awesome.
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I don't know how we stop any of the nut jobs. But to not pray for victims and families? WOW that is really sick.
No, I am choosing to not verbalize that on my facebook posts because it has been proven time and time again to be nothing but a repeated empty phrase that does nothing. Even just reading it sounds dispassionate. I try to no longer use that on any personal post for someone going through difficulty, because it has become such a cliche. People suffering loss and tragedy deserve way more than a simple cliche.
KarenInWA
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I will pray for you then.
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So I'm curious, Rerun. Are you saying that the NRA and all the politicians that they bought *shouldn't* donate all that money to the victims??? Wouldn't that be way more helpful than prayers, since the $$ to pay for this has to come from SOMEwhere? Maybe the local hospitals and funeral services will waive all the bills, which would be incredibly generous. If that happens, don't those hospitals and funeral services deserve to be compensated for all they have done? Where did all that $52 million go to - do we not all agree that campaigning is nothing more than a big waste of $$$ that could be used on actual, real life issues than voting some terd into office? How are all of these medical services, funeral services, etc going to be paid for??? Is praying going to make $$ fall from the sky and cover all of this? I ask because I am genuinely curious.
KarenInWA
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There is a Go Fund Me Page with over 8 million dollars Looks like prayers were answered.
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Hollywood shoot em up movies are shown all over the world, but it is the US that has more of these LVN type mass shootings. Why is that? It just supports my theory that there is something fundamentally wrong with Americans.
Lots of American movies are banned in other countries! Shows what you know!
Hunger Games.... Departed.....
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There is a Go Fund Me Page with over 8 million dollars Looks like prayers were answered.
Sadly, $8 million is not going to come close to covering the lifetime bills that some of these victims are going to be stuck with. The NRA and their politicians need to man/woman up and donate significantly to these victims. Even if they feel they are not responsible, imagine the PR this could do for them. But no, instead, like any other Repubbo, they want to hold on tightly to that $$ for themselves and not share it with those who are unfortunate. Heck, I bet some of those Republicans are blaming the victims for being dumb enough to go to an outdoor concert in the first place. Music is the devil, even when it's country music, right?
KarenInWA
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How do you know they haven't? How much have you given? Oh, wait, they were probably Repubtards, so you won't. You bleeding heart lib-tards talk but don't act. That over 8 million was only in 3 days. That is a Miracle. Thank you Jesus.
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How do you know they haven't? How much have you given? Oh, wait, they were probably Repubtards, so you won't. You bleeding heart lib-tards talk but don't act. That over 8 million was only in 3 days. That is a Miracle. Thank you Jesus.
You know Rerun, you should never assume something so terrible about another member on here. No, I haven't donated *yet* because I have not yet taken the time to find a link so I can donate. I am lucky that I can afford to donate. Maybe some of these politicians or NRA people have donated, but the NRA as a whole should absolutely donate, no question. And they need to donate BIGLY. To not do that will only prove to those of us who are not their fans just what kind of organization they are.
You want to know what I was doing as the shooting was happening? I was getting ready for bed, happily listening to my copy of Garth Brooks Live because I'm all excited about seeing him in concert next month. Then I wake up in the morning to this horrible news, and I haven't been able to listen to it since because it feels weird. I know I will get over it. I am definitely going to the concert, though now I'll be going in honor of those who went to this concert with the goal of having nothing more than a good time enjoying music.
KarenInWA
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politicians that they bought
Politicians can only be rented, not bought.
Even if they feel they are not responsible
I find it interesting whenever anyone draws a linkage suggesting that gun owners "owe" the victims of a shooting they were not involved in more than they "own" PR storm victims; victims of childhood cancer; etc. Charity and helping one's fellow man is good, however, the undercurrent is a suggesting that those not committing a crime are somehow to blame for those who do.
Would you suggest the NAACP or UNCF make a donation to the victims when a black person commits a henious crime? Should synagogues take up a special collection if a mass murder turns out to be Jewish?
And what suggestions do you make to automobile owners when a drunk driver kills someone?
The tragedy here is unimaginable. Since the people were packed together and standing, the hits were generally in the upper torso and head - making for horrendous injuries that last a lifetime. This is not like the movies where the shootee mutters something about "just a fleshwound", gets bandaged up at tbe back of the ambulance, and returns to the office later in the day.
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I am very saddened about what happened in Las Vegas and I am wondering whether people who do atrocities like that have been drugged & hypnotized in some way to do these atrocities? Could that possibly be?
Kristina :grouphug;
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Karen, I didn't want to be mean to you, but you were making some pretty big assumptions yourself. Sorry
The bottom line is if someone has evil in their heart and think about it all the time. It will come to fruition. I will vote for banning all guns. I will do that for you guys. But, if this guy couldn't get 47 guns he could still get 5. All it takes is one.
I "pray" this crime never happens again.
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I am very saddened about what happened in Las Vegas and I am wondering whether people who do atrocities like that have been drugged & hypnotized in some way to do these atrocities? Could that possibly be?
Kristina :grouphug;
It's now being reported he was given a script for Valium, which, as we all know causes violent outbursts. :urcrazy;
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The NRA spent $52 million buying votes and politicians for the 2016 election.
KarenInWA
Happen to have a source for those numbers handy? The Senate Office of Public Records reports the NRA only spent $3.6 million in 2015?
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My SBR form 1 is up to 10 months and counting :(
Oh, well, that's different. SBR's should TOTALLY be banned.
Just kidding. I was interested in building a 14" AR and even went so far as to form a trust, but lost interest after having to start dialysis. Also, couldn't make up my mind to go 5.56 or 300BLK.
Thanks to technology, cheap 3D printers, and the internet, nothing can ever be effectively banned again.
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The NRA spent $52 million buying votes and politicians for the 2016 election.
KarenInWA
Happen to have a source for those numbers handy? The Senate Office of Public Records reports the NRA only spent $3.6 million in 2015?
I heard this bit of info on the radio this morning - on a Seattle talk station that has local broadcasters that span both sides of the political spectrum.
I just did a google search on it, and while I could find no Fox News links, I did find numerous other links stating this very same thing. Here are a couple of them.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-nra-money-20171003-story.html
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/353670-hoyer-gop-cowed-by-nra
KarenInWA
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The NRA spent $52 million buying votes and politicians for the 2016 election.
KarenInWA
Happen to have a source for those numbers handy? The Senate Office of Public Records reports the NRA only spent $3.6 million in 2015?
I heard this bit of info on the radio this morning - on a Seattle talk station that has local broadcasters that span both sides of the political spectrum.
I just did a google search on it, and while I could find no Fox News links, I did find numerous other links stating this very same thing. Here are a couple of them.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-nra-money-20171003-story.html
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/353670-hoyer-gop-cowed-by-nra
KarenInWA
OK, thanks. The search results I found were all over the place.
I could find no Fox News links
For the record, I would not ever consider Fox News a credible news source.
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I could find no Fox News links
For the record, I would not ever consider Fox News a credible news source.
That's good to hear! Sadly, my mom is a true Fox News believer.
KarenInWA
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I am very saddened about what happened in Las Vegas and I am wondering whether people who do atrocities like that have been drugged & hypnotized in some way to do these atrocities? Could that possibly be?
Kristina :grouphug;
It's now being reported he was given a script for Valium, which, as we all know causes violent outbursts. :urcrazy;
Many thanks for the information, solid98, it is very much appreciated and perhaps that could be a good point to really "start digging" in an effort to find the truth?
After all, these days, everything in crime seems to "circle" around "profiling" the perpetrator and this particular perpetrator does not come over to be able and fit "comfortably" the "perpetrator-profile" ?
Many thanks again and kind regards again from Kristina. :grouphug;
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I heard this morning on an advertisement about using a meat thermometer for cooking meat.... 3,000 people die every year from food poisoning. OMG
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even went so far as to form a trust
You might appreciate my trust name - "The Dog Gun Trust". Carefully chosen since it has to be engraved on any SBR I make.
lso, couldn't make up my mind to go 5.56 or 300BLK.
9x19. Way cheaper to shoot, easy to make ammo for, loads of fun. 5.56 is pricey; don't even want to think about paying for 300 blackout.
It's now being reported he was given a script for Valium, which, as we all know causes violent outbursts. :urcrazy;
Studies suggest that long term use of Valium, or any benzo, significantly increases the risk of dementia in late life.
I heard this morning on an advertisement about using a meat thermometer for cooking meat.... 3,000 people die every year from food poisoning. OMG
Ban food!!!
For the record, I would not ever consider Fox News a credible news source.
The bias in both CNN (Clinton News Network) and Fox is obvious. Remember when the homeowner held the escaped cons a gunpoint for the police? I knew before even going to the web sites that how it went down with a civilian gun owner would be the headliner in the Foxnews story and buried very late in the article in the CNN store. Each side has a tendency to claim that the network that takes their political side is the biased one, but the truth is both are. You need to pay attention to not only those news sources that support your politics, but those that are on the other side, to get a balanced view. And that is true no matter what side you are on.
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I heard this morning on an advertisement about using a meat thermometer for cooking meat.... 3,000 people die every year from food poisoning. OMG
Rerun, I really don't understand you. I know you are angry about big dialysis companies making bank off of those of us with the Bad Kidneys card, and I completely and totally agree with you on that. The way we do medical care and profit in this country is so whacked out it's not even close to being funny - especially when you're one of the tools being used to make profit off of.
So why do you protect the NRA so fiercely?? What is it about "your kind" that defends to the grave a huge, $$ grubbing outfit that exists only to fan the flames of greed at the expense of innocent American lives?? Tell me, Rerun, what has the NRA done for YOU???
Meanwhile, we have 58 dead innocent victims, well over 400 injured victims, and untold amounts of medical bills, PTSD counseling for countless individuals who were affected, and the big, untouchable NRA sitting there on their piles and piles of $$ - and their favorite politicians (and yes, some of them are Democrats) probably all wiping their collective asses with it. NO F""""""'n MORE!!!!! They who benefit from this crony poop need to man/woman up and donate that $$ to the victims. Period. End of story. I am so fired up over this issue that I almost want to fly to DC so I can protest the MF'ers who have benefitted from all of this.
Am I proud to be an American? I used to be. I can't really say that anymore. But I'm stuck here because my kidneys suck.
KarenInWA
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I heard this morning on an advertisement about using a meat thermometer for cooking meat.... 3,000 people die every year from food poisoning. OMG
And how many laws, training programs, site visits and such do we have to try to prevent our food system from casing food poisoning? Not only that I'm sure congress has not blocked all federal funds from being used to research the problem.
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Iolaire - The meat is probably GOOD but if not cooked properly can kill you.
Karen - I have NO ties to the NRA. Ban them I don't care. But, guns are here and lots of them. I don't have a gun, but I'm glad my neighbor does if some nut job is trying to break in our houses. I am for the 2nd Amendment right for us to have guns to defend ourselves. I am just rational enough to know guns don't kill people. People do. And if there are no guns there are trucks, knives, and drugs out of control that kill more people than guns.
This guy was a nut job. And an OLD Nut Job at that. Unbelievable. I feel bad for his mail order girlfriend. She obviously knows nothing of his secret life.
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Well, now that we have blamed the Untied States of America, Re-Runs praying and the NRA, perhaps we should think of a more peaceful time when the Insane Asylums were still open. IMHO if more of these nuts were locked up, less of them would be out on the streets. By the way Rerun, my Hubby and I have prayed for the victims every night since it happened. It doesnt hurt and MM, if you think America is so bad, you have the option of leaving.
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The meat is probably GOOD but if not cooked properly can kill you.
Dr William Castelli (former head of the Framingham Heart Study) told me that properly cooked meat can kill you as well.
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Iolaire - The meat is probably GOOD but if not cooked properly can kill you.
Karen - I have NO ties to the NRA. Ban them I don't care. But, guns are here and lots of them. I don't have a gun, but I'm glad my neighbor does if some nut job is trying to break in our houses. I am for the 2nd Amendment right for us to have guns to defend ourselves. I am just rational enough to know guns don't kill people. People do. And if there are no guns there are trucks, knives, and drugs out of control that kill more people than guns.
This guy was a nut job. And an OLD Nut Job at that. Unbelievable. I feel bad for his mail order girlfriend. She obviously knows nothing of his secret life.
While it is true that it is the shooter's responsibility, it is also the responsibility of the NRA and the NRA-bought politicians for preventing reasonable gun control that allowed this gun nutter to purchase and harbor so much artillery w/o so much as a blink from anybody. Why is this a thing in this country??? Why are we a nation of paranoid, ball-tucking snowflakes who feel the need to collect mounds and mounds of things made for one purpose only ---- TO KILL?????
Last I knew, food actually has a life sustaining purpose. Food is made to not kill, altho preparations are at times skipped and it ends up killing a few innocent people. Regulations are necessary, but some people think that stamps on their freedoms. However, food is one thing, guns and ammo quite another. Try again.
Cars also are made for other purposes - killing is a side effect. Driving is a privilege, not a right, yet it seems like it gets treated like a right. Test those who need to be tested before renewing their license. More regulation may be needed there, too, but again, some people says that tramps all over their "rights".
NRA supports guns and ammo and little to no laws regarding purchase. They buy our government to make sure this is so. As a result of their lobbying, we had a tragedy happen upon innocents this past Sunday night. Now those people's lives are forever changed, as is the life of a thriving city. NRA needs to donate their $$ - as does their political puppets. These people never asked for any of this. I honestly don't see how anyone doesn't get that.
Do Pro-NRA people cuddle their guns at night???
KarenInWA
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Well Jean, who is going to pay for all of these insane asylums you want to see? How will the care and treatment for these patients be funded? Congress would never appropriate sufficient funding, but they ARE happy to pass legislation that makes it EASIER for a severely mentally I'll person to buy a gun. And now we see the result of that brilliant idea.
Good for you for praying. I am sure it makes you feel morally superior and vitally useful.
Sure, I could emigrate from the US, but you know I don't back down. I want my country back.
Karen, do you know that is the exact question someone asked on a radio phone in show here in the US??? Really! People have actually asked if guns are just a male enhancement tool, sort of like fancy sports cars. I kid you not.
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Karen, do you know that is the exact question someone asked on a radio phone in show here in the US??? Really! People have actually asked if guns are just a male enhancement tool, sort of like fancy sports cars. I kid you not.
I think you mean "here in the UK"?
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According to the Gun Violence Archive, there have been 273 mass shootings in the past 275 days in the US. They define a mass shooting as a shooting in which at least four people have been shot to death. Somebody please explain to me how this statistic, which certainly makes the US unique, is going to make America great again.
Americans must not be praying hard enough.
Lol...yes, Karen, I meant "here in the UK". Thanks for reminding me where I am!
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Oh jeez. I mean iolaire!
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I would like to know why a proposed bill loosening restrictions on the use of silencers is called "The Sportsmens' Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act". How disingenuous.
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I would like to know why a proposed bill loosening restrictions on the use of silencers is called "The Sportsmens' Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act". How disingenuous.
Bills are always given names to further the agenda of the proponents. Opponents often find these names deceptive (frequently rightly so).
The "Why" is because bills are given the name by the original sponsor(s), and they always pick names to help with the marketing. Control the vocabulary and you control the debate.
Silencers would enhance the experience for many sportsmen. If you have experience using cans, and appearing in court for a ballistic/acoustic case, you would be as qualified as I am to render an opinion on that conclusion.
Patriot Act - is it really "patriotic" to take away customer financial confidentiality; establish secret courts; and reduce due process?
Bank secrecy act - required more, not less, disclosure of banking transactions to the government
Nixon's "monetization of the dollar" - eliminated the ability to redeem silver certificates for the actual metal backing the currency
Now those people's lives are forever changed, as is the life of a thriving city. NRA needs to donate their $$ - as does their political puppets.
If a black person committed a horrendous crime would you be suggesting that the NAACP or UNCF should be donating money to the victims as some sort of atonement?
And what if a Jewish person did so? Would you be saying that Synagogues should be taking up a special collection to atone for the criminal act of a member of their tribe? David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz was raised in a Jewish home, but I don't seem to remember call for collective atonement by the Jewish community.
Do Pro-NRA people cuddle their guns at night???
I leave mine in the safe. My dog sleeps next to me at night.
Do anti-NRA people cuddle printouts of their gun ban bills at night?
Driving is a privilege, not a right, yet it seems like it gets treated like a right.
There are FAR more protections for driving licenses than gun ownership in some parts of the country. Where I live, I can lose my gun rights if I am accused of a crime and found not guilty, or if I exercise my right to remain silent when interrogated by police. If I am convicted of DUI, I lose the right to own a gun anywhere in the US for life, but can eventually drive a multi-ton killing machine on the highways legally.
ARE happy to pass legislation that makes it EASIER for a severely mentally I'll person to buy a gun
Er. no. The bill that was passed (it might have just been a policy change) was to not render someone a "prohibited person" because they receive Social Security retirement or disability benefits and have designated a "representative payee" to manage their finances. This is sometimes done for convenience, or because someone feels they would rather use the services of a younger relative to deal with the SS administration. There was a similar issue with VA benefits but I am not sure how that was resolved.
One must also consider unintended consequences. Do you really want gun owners who are feeling depressed or showing other signs of mental illness to avoid treatment because they fear being put on "a list"? I'm not talking about not disarming people who show violent tendencies or who have a loose grasp on reality, but ordinary people who may want to talk to their MD about depressive symptoms ... but are afraid to do so.
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All I can say is, I am so thankful I'm not a heartless NRA-loving supporter. To say that those victims don't deserve donations from them that are freely given to various politicians in exchange for votes is beyond the pale. I can't even :'(
KarenInWA
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All I can say is, I am so thankful I'm not a heartless NRA-loving supporter. To say that those victims don't deserve donations from them that are freely given to various politicians in exchange for votes is beyond the pale. I can't even :'(
KarenInWA
You are misunderstanding what I said.
What I said is that the law abiding NRA members do not bear a collective responsibility for the criminal actions of an individual not acting on their behalf, in the same way that the Jewish community does not bear a collective responsibility for the criminal actions of a Jewish criminal.
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And you don't understand what I said. The NRA spends A LOT of $$$ buying out politicians. $52 million just last year. Why do you think they do that??? Each and every politician who accepted a donation from them last year needs to take that $$ and donate it to the victims. Then the NRA needs to match that and donate as well. No more buying votes. Not for the NRA, not for anybody. We aren't the land of the free anymore. We're the land of the bought and paid for. Personally, I'm sick of it. Let's start with this tragedy and the NRA. As for NRA members, big frigging whoop. You choose to be a card carrying member. Are you telling me NRA members would rather their dues go to buying politicians than cover innocent victims bills?? Wow, that's choice. What a gawd-awful lot of people.
Is this what they call "Compassionate Conservatism?" Or is that not a thing anymore??
KarenInWA
For the record, if I was an NRA member, I'd be embarrassed and begging them to man/woman up. But that's just me.
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Okay....... First of all the NRA does NOT KILL anyone. They preserve our rights to carry guns and protect ourselves. You would ban guns and then what. Get Shot! I don't give any $$ to them. But I do give to the prolife foundation.
You are a supporter of Planned Parent hood who kill a million people a year. Sad I have to bring this up. But you don't think about it. Just the woman's right to her body. What about all the little women? You should be the one embarrassed.
Oh all PP does is Cancer Screenings..... BS I called the Eastern WA and N. Idaho chapter to see if I could get a mammogram (to prove it to a friend) and "Oh, we don't do them here, but we can refer you"..... Well, hell, I can refer myself. What a bunch of killers and liars.
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While it is true that it is the shooter's responsibility, it is also the responsibility of the NRA and the NRA-bought politicians for preventing reasonable gun control that allowed this gun nutter to purchase and harbor so much artillery w/o so much as a blink from anybody. Why is this a thing in this country??? Why are we a nation of paranoid, ball-tucking snowflakes who feel the need to collect mounds and mounds of things made for one purpose only ---- TO KILL?????
NRA supports guns and ammo and little to no laws regarding purchase. They buy our government to make sure this is so. As a result of their lobbying, we had a tragedy happen upon innocents this past Sunday night. Now those people's lives are forever changed, as is the life of a thriving city. NRA needs to donate their $$ - as does their political puppets. These people never asked for any of this. I honestly don't see how anyone doesn't get that.
Now that it looks like "bump fire" stocks are going to be banned, the manufacturer's web site is all but shut down with all the people clamoring to buy all they can at premium mark ups. It was the same thing with "assault rifles" when the Brady Ban went into effect, and ratcheted up 10 fold after Barak Obama took office. When Trump took office, gun sales dropped dramatically. Now they will ramp up again. People in general, not just gun nuts, are like 2 year olds. You tell them something is off limits and that thing is all they want. All this over reacting is just putting more of these useless things on the street.
Do Pro-NRA people cuddle their guns at night???
KarenInWA
Just the one I sleep with under my pillow. :cuddle;
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even went so far as to form a trust
You might appreciate my trust name - "The Dog Gun Trust". Carefully chosen since it has to be engraved on any SBR I make.
I wish I had done more research before I did the trust so I could come up with a better name than "The (My last name) Trust".
lso, couldn't make up my mind to go 5.56 or 300BLK.
9x19. Way cheaper to shoot, easy to make ammo for, loads of fun. 5.56 is pricey; don't even want to think about paying for 300 blackout.
I wanted a rifle caliber and decided to do a 14" "just because". I used to work with a guy who bent his own AK receivers and he had me mill him up a drill jig to finish them off. Funny thing, in Kansas, you are allowed to build your own firearms, and if you PROMISE to not take it out of state or sell or transfer it, you don't need a serial number. Gov Sam Brownback (who is up for the "Religious Ambassadorship") and Kris Kobach of Voter Suppression fame, passed legislation to try to say the firearms laws in Kansas "trumps" (see what I did there) federal law in regards to suppressor manufacturing. Some idiot made his own suppressors without a federal license, sold some, and made a YouTube video of him bragging about it. Long story short, he's doing federal time.
It's now being reported he was given a script for Valium, which, as we all know causes violent outbursts. :urcrazy;
Studies suggest that long term use of Valium, or any benzo, significantly increases the risk of dementia in late life.
I had always heard Valium was a "downer". The claims it caused violent tendencies just struck me as odd. Like they were trying to blame something, anything, for his behaviour.
For the record, I would not ever consider Fox News a credible news source.
The bias in both CNN (Clinton News Network) and Fox is obvious. Remember when the homeowner held the escaped cons a gunpoint for the police? I knew before even going to the web sites that how it went down with a civilian gun owner would be the headliner in the Foxnews story and buried very late in the article in the CNN store. Each side has a tendency to claim that the network that takes their political side is the biased one, but the truth is both are. You need to pay attention to not only those news sources that support your politics, but those that are on the other side, to get a balanced view. And that is true no matter what side you are on.
I'm actually extremely skeptical of any "news" online or on TV, because they all just fall all over themselves to get the "news" out first. I put more stock (not much) in print media.
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So saddened to see this terrible shooting massacre in Las Vegas. We booked our flights and hotel for our 30 day usa trip bext summer literally the day before this happened. As soon as my 10 yr old son came home from school he was watching live updates from the situation and couldn't believe it either. Here in the UK cannot even comprehend this level of indiscriminate violence how can people even wander around with that many deadly weapons? I guess u guys have a different way of life? Do u think America will ever tighten their gun laws? My heart and prayers go out to all of the innocent victims and their families and the Las Vegas people.
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Do u think America will ever tighten their gun laws
Not really. The NRA is very powerful and the 2nd Amendment people are passionate and misguided. So the rest of us suffer. I think Americans are more naturally violent than many other peoples. And we have a "toxic masculinity" problem.
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I am so grateful to live in The good old USA. At least we are allowed to have an opinion. It may not matter much, but we can still have it. The idea that American men have "violent tendencies" is rather ludicrous to me. Most of the men I know are very gentlemanly, tons of fun and very nice to us ladies. Of course, they are also all old too. Maybe they even wore out their "toxic Masculinity" problem too. Yes, the NRA is very powerful and oh, hell no, the 2nd amendment people are not misguided at all. Maybe its you that is misguided. On the other hand, maybe it is me. Not every thing is black and white and not everything is set into cement. At any rate, we should all be praying for all these poor people who are homeless and especially as in Puerto Rico, no shelter and no food. How horrible.
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I am so grateful to live in The good old USA. At least we are allowed to have an opinion. It may not matter much, but we can still have it. The idea that American men have "violent tendencies" is rather ludicrous to me. Most of the men I know are very gentlemanly, tons of fun and very nice to us ladies. Of course, they are also all old too. Maybe they even wore out their "toxic Masculinity" problem too. Yes, the NRA is very powerful and oh, hell no, the 2nd amendment people are not misguided at all. Maybe its you that is misguided. On the other hand, maybe it is me. Not every thing is black and white and not everything is set into cement. At any rate, we should all be praying for all these poor people who are homeless and especially as in Puerto Rico, no shelter and no food. How horrible.
I totally agree with you, Jean.
We've been in the middle of moving so no TV, no computers, no news. Hubby heard it on the car radio. When I finally watched the news, I was sick. I am mourning for my country. I am praying for God's help with this.
When I think of countries where the people are not/were not allowed guns, I think of Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and Lenin, just to name a few. I've been to and lived in countries where the people live under oppression. Real oppression. I don't want to ever be a subject, I want to remain a free citizen under our Constitution.
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Last night I was listening to "Ground Zero" with Clyde Lewis on the radio. People were calling in with a much different theory.
This was probably an international illegal gun deal gone ..... very bad. They were saying this 64 year old (out of shape) guy could not hold one of those guns and shoot it for more than a minute. No way 10. They kick and buck so bad that only an in shape soldier could do it. Thus the 23 guns (that were left) were laid out so orderly. Explains the other guns in his house. There was a phone charger found in the room that did not match Stephens phone. There is proof that when he was gone in his vehicle someone used "his" card key to enter his room. He did not act alone. Not sure we will ever know the truth. Something the government may never want us to know.
Police can't find anything on this guy? He doesn't fit the profile? He was a businessman...
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Well, that is interesting. I wonder if we will ever have everything explained to us in full.
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They kick and buck so bad that only an in shape soldier could do it.
I do not know about the other things, but the "kick and buck so badly" is just plain wrong for a 5.56/.223, and minimal for a 7.62/.308 in a gas operated rifle. (the calibers and gun type reported).
The fact that the reporter got this simple item so wrong causes me to question the veracity of the rest of the report.
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He was a businessman...
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Only if you acknowledge that he was a professional gambler. That's the business he was
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My conservative high school classmate on Facebook are already posting liberal conspiracy theory memes as if he didn't do it. And unfortunately also the anti vaccination liberals go for the same conspiracy theories as well. Overall it's just sad.
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We all know that Vegas hotels/casinos have cameras everywhere, although most of them are focused on the casino itself. How long will it take for them to come up with video showing this kook bringing in all of his luggage filled with all of this? Even if he brought up one at a time? Are there cameras in the staircase that has been reported to be near the entrance of his suite? This is what I'm curious about. There should be concrete evidence, unless he's really good at detecting and avoiding all of the camera's eyes.
KarenInWA
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It wasn't a "reporter" but callers who know guns. So, I don't know. The show was pretty convincing.
http://www.groundzeromedia.org/106-pathological-politiks-red-flags-vegas/
:urcrazy; Maybe I'm reaching....
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It wasn't a "reporter" but callers who know guns.
If the callers claimed the rifles he would use would "kick and buck badly" and that only a fit person could handle them, they did not know what they were talking about. My guess is that they never fired a semi auto or full auto AR. I've have experience with both calibers he was reported to use, and am factory certified by Armalite, so I know of what I speak. Note that semi automatic (and full automatic) AR style rifles use a gas operated mechanism that significantly reduces felt recoil.
Carrying a gun case into a LV hotel was, until now, not an eye raising activity. There are numerous places to shoot near LV, and there have been cases where hundreds of people checked in with long guns for competitons at Desert Sportsmens, and additional ones where 500+ people checked in with handguns. To retroactively say someone doing something that had been accepted as normal for years is to blame the hotel for not having a qualified psychic on duty.
I watched the first 40 minutes of the CNN special on each of the victims. It was very nicely done, but what was astonishing was the statistical fluke in which every single person killed was a "wonderful person" who would "give you the shirt off their back". It was like Lake Woebegon where all children are above average.
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There are so many weird things about this guy but one I have not heard talked about is the idea he was a "professional gambler" who played video poker - no professional gambler plays slots/video games unless they are cheating. Pro gamblers play sportsbook, blackjack and/or poker (face to face against other people) that's it, every other type of bet is just a way to give casinos money over time.
The security guard drew the nut's fire at the end of the rampage https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jesus-campos-las-vegas-shooting-police-reveal-new-details-about-hero-security-guard/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jesus-campos-las-vegas-shooting-police-reveal-new-details-about-hero-security-guard/) over 200 rounds were fired into the hallway and none at the crowd after the security guard came on scene. How many people would have died if those two hundred rounds were directed at the crowd?
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There is no "peace" w/o Jesus and this country has turned its back on Him.
The Mainstream Media has no talk of another shooter. Just the nut. The conspiracy Media has the audio of the gun going off and you hear another one but different than the first one. Not an echo either. FBI and CIA are hiding something.
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There is no "peace" w/o Jesus and this country has turned its back on Him.
The Mainstream Media has no talk of another shooter. Just the nut. The conspiracy Media has the audio of the gun going off and you hear another one but different than the first one. Not an echo either. FBI and CIA are hiding something.
:secret;
So the President is in on it too?
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I watched the first 40 minutes of the CNN special on each of the victims. It was very nicely done, but what was astonishing was the statistical fluke in which every single person killed was a "wonderful person" who would "give you the shirt off their back". It was like Lake Woebegon where all children are above average.
Yeah, I'd be willing to bet that at least one of the victims was a nasty piece of work, but no one would say that.
What I'd like to know is how many of those in attendance at this dreadful event are pro-gun and are now rethinking their position.
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What I said is that the law abiding NRA members do not bear a collective responsibility for the criminal actions of an individual not acting on their behalf, in the same way that the Jewish community does not bear a collective responsibility for the criminal actions of a Jewish criminal.
This is probably a false equivalency. Jewish people do not vote for Jewish criminals, whereas "law-abiding NRA members" vote for congressional representatives who will make it easier to get access to as many weapons as possible and so DO bear some collective responsibility.
However, if Israeli voters vote for government representatives who advocate the building of illegal settlements, then those people DO bear a collective responsibility for the conflict that ensues.
Elections have consequences, and the murders in Las Vegas are the consequence of voting in people who run on a pro-NRA agenda.
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Oh, now the timeline changed. I'm telling you, this nut was an arms dealer, drug dealer, and a human trafficker probably to the Philippines. He had two airplanes that have the numbers of a different plane on one tail that belongs to another tail. Follow the money. That explains all the money he gambled away or laundered. He thought he had a good gig going until he got popped.
Just saying......
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This....
http://time.com/4968842/one-undeniable-factor-in-gun-violence-men/?iid=sr-link3
Another mass shooting in America, another round of questions. Was the shooter a terrorist or a lone wolf? (Read: "Was he a Muslim?") Did he have a political agenda? Was he mentally ill? Why would someone do this? One question we never ask: Was the shooter a man? The answer is always the same.
Of the 134 mass shooters who have preyed on Am
ericans since 1966, three have been women, making mass shooting a 98% male enterprise. Ninety percent of murderers are men-firearms at used in close to 70% of homicides.
Plenty has been written about the relationship between masculinity and guns: how gunmakers center advertising campaigns on mach status, ow a startlingly high proportion of mass shooters have a history of abusing women, how more than half of mass hooting involve a man killing (or trying to kill) an intimate, taking others out along with her. But the reality of American men and gun violence is as much about a hypermasculine fetishization of murder toys as it is about tribal identity, a deepening identification of self and clan that radicalizes marginal views and magnifies personal entitlement and social distrust. This is a communal masculine ideology, not an individual one. There is no lone wolf. There is a rabid wolf pack.
Almost half of the world's civilian owned guns are in the hand of Americans. But those guns are not distributed equally. Many are hoarded by "super owners," a group of mostly male extremists who make up just 3% of the adult population but own an average of 17 guns apiece. Women are increasingly buying handguns for protection, and that seems to be their actual motivation they own a single gun, and they keep it in case of an emergency (one suspects that the imagine assailant they are protection themselves from is a man).
Male gun owners are more likely to bind their recreational lives and identities to guns and "gun culture," according to Pew: they hung, go shooting, watch gun related shows on TV and seek out more gun related recreation and information. This intersects with other aspects of identity 95% of conservative Republican gun owners agree that "the right to own guns is essential to their own sense of freedom." White men are much more likely to own guns than non-whites, and the super owners amassing arsenals of weapons are particularly likely to be white, male and conservative. Among gun hoarders-those who own at least five guns-almost half say being a gun ownder is "very important" to their identity....
In other words, there is less a broad American fixatin with guns than there is a subculture of mostly white, mostly male, and mostly conservative gun obsessives. Within this group, gun ownership is as much a hoppy and an effort at self-defense as it is a way to forge an identity and bond with a like-minded community. The gun is simply the (extremely literal) exterman symbol of the underlying ideaology: white male power comes through physical domination....[/I]
There is more. I'd be interesting in thoughts from those who've read the entire article.
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Oh, now the timeline changed. I'm telling you, this nut was an arms dealer, drug dealer, and a human trafficker probably to the Philippines. He had two airplanes that have the numbers of a different plane on one tail that belongs to another tail. Follow the money. That explains all the money he gambled away or laundered. He thought he had a good gig going until he got popped.
Just saying......
So what? I don't care what his motive might have been. The very fact that he was able to murder all of these people is the issue, not WHY he did it. Why was he able to amass this arsenal?
Where did you get this "news" that he was an arms dealer and human trafficker?
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The statistics this article uses is only because White Responsible Gun Owners do register. The Black Thugs Don't. Look at Chicago AGAIN!
I'm just thinking out of the box on this nut. He got his mass of guns legally because he passed his background checks. If he would not have passed he would have bought them illegally like will happen anyway.
Just like if they BAN Abortion... they will go to the back ally anyway...... Right?
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Right!!
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So it is hopeless. If a someone wants to shoot up a crowd there isn't anything we can do if (s)he is sneaky enough about it? Might as well give everyone access to whatever weapon they desire ... hmmm that doesn't work in any other situation why would it work in the case of guns?
Gun manufacturers are the only group that benefits from mass gun ownership. Like you say rerun, follow the money.
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Within this group, gun ownership is as much a hoppy and an effort at self-defense as it is a way to forge an identity and bond with a like-minded community.
I assume you meant hobby, not hoppy.
There are many adult hobbies that consume time, energy and resources as well as provide a social structure for long term friendships outside of work. Some that come to mind are Golf; Skydiving; Car collecting/restoration/racing; Scuba diving and bridge clubs. I happen to be one of the people who has enjoyed recreational and competition shooting (although my skills are only average, I have traveled the US and parts of Canada, eh?) for matches. Guns are no different to me than a parachute, scuba tank, bungee cord, or golf club - they are my tools of recreation. Those of you who are religious may use church groups as a source for non-work social structure but, alas, the Pastafarians don't have many get togethers.
I have found that due to the rigors of a dialysis schedule, I travel less and only get out shooting every few weeks. It seems that I spend more time taking my toolbox to the club to fix something that than actually using the ranges.
When I had my hip replaced, I had to go back in-center for a couple of months while I regained my mobility and HGB. A quick email to the gun club mailing list got me all the rides I needed for treatment. When I was in the hospital after a medical crisis and needed a ride, a similar email brought numerous offers - including one person would would have to drive 100 miles to pick me up to bring me home. I have had the privilige of getting to know many people outside my job specialty of IT/data, encompassing a much broader section of society than I would otherwise meet. I've gotten to know plumbers, all manner of skilled tradespeople, attorneys, doctors, airline pilots, very senior corporate executives, EMTs, cops, a Texas Ranger, and people who work in honest, but unremarkable, jobs. Two of the later decided to put the skills they learned in their hobby to use and became air mashalls. Yesterday, I ran into my Optometrist and his office staff trying out a couple of EBRs (evil black rifles).
I find it ridiculous that I, and people like me, are characterized as a "problem" because of my hobby. There was an interesting time when my neighborhood called the PD on a suspicious car (turned out to be someone with a very valid reason to be parked on my street) and asked the officer "aren't you concerned with someone owning all those guns". The cop gave the neighbor a lecture about how I was known to the department, considered a good guy, and how they could use more people like me in town.
I happen to live in a state with some of the most severe gun laws, including a court decision that I may be stripped of my right to own a handgun if I ever exercise my right to remain silent (It's called "Pick the 1stA or 2nd; you cannot exercise both"). Even with all that, I am actually licensed to carry concealed pretty much every where except schools, courts and federal facilities. So are at least 5% (10% according to the newspaper, but they used creative math) in this state and guess what .... crime by license holders is virtually non-existent.
You wouldn't look at a crime committed by a black and start talking about how "black people are the problem". Make such an assumption about us law abiding types who happen to enjoy both informal and formal recreational shooting is equally bigoted.
Many are hoarded by "super owners," a group of mostly male extremists who make up just 3% of the adult population but own an average of 17 guns apiece.
I will admit I am somewhat over that number (I really should count them one of these days), but I am by no means an "extremist" in my behavior or views. Unless, of course, you apply this derogatory label to anyone who happens to have a non-trivial collection.
But wait, I get it .... ridicule the opposition is one of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.
The statistics this article uses is only because White Responsible Gun Owners do register.
Blacks are underrepresented in the shooting groups I hang with, but are most welcome. The only three I know from the gun club are an MRI tech (she recently retired); a federal air marshal and a cardiac surgery anesthesiologist.
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How do you know they haven't? How much have you given? Oh, wait, they were probably Repubtards, so you won't. You bleeding heart lib-tards talk but don't act. That over 8 million was only in 3 days. That is a Miracle. Thank you Jesus.
Having just returned from the IHD reunion in LV I started reading through this thread with interest. Until this post, it was reasoned and polite and now I see name calling, and by a moderator.
Why can't you refrain from petty attacks like this? SMH!
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SD, how is anyone supposed to know that you are a good guy? Who knows when you, or any of us here, will reach the point where you've become so frustrated and angry with ESRD that you decide one day that you've had enough of some snarky tech and flip out and exercise your second amendment rights? Why should we trust you? Who is to say that you won't become mentally ill one day (God forbid, of course!) and resort to your "hobby" and do some real damage? Can you promise that you will always be that good guy with a gun?
I can understand the fellowship that comes from sharing a hobby with other people! And to be fair, I can understand how people who have an interest in guns would enjoy socializing with each other. I'm glad that your hobby has enabled you to meet so many kinds of people. They all sound like very fine citizens. So, what kind of conversations do you have with them about, say, military grade weaponry in the hands of civilians? What do your friends have to say about bump stocks? Do you ever ask them what they think about each time there is another mass shooting? I'm sure there are a variety of opinions! I'd really like to know.
Saul Alinsky? C'mon, man!
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So, what kind of conversations do you have with them about, say, military grade weaponry in the hands of civilians? What do your friends have to say about bump stocks
One person's "military grade weapon" is another's "sporting target rifle". Have you ever seen practical shooting competition or three gun matches? Do you understand why precision; high performance semi auto fire and large mags are necessary for this sport? Only one of the local crew has a military grade weapon - he's a licensed collector and has a rather interesting WWII machine gun (Finnish, I think).
The short answer is all of the people I hang out with at the range feel the govt is overreaching attempting to ban semi automatic firearms or magazines. We do not feel we should be punished for the actions of others.
Other conversations center on things like JP vs Giselle triggers; what barrel twist is best for 55 gr bullets; and what kind of spotting scope will see 5.56/.223 holes at 100 yards. Other conversations center in Pistol Caliber Carbine competition, as the 9mm AR15 is becoming a very popular platform. Oh, and then, there is always "who is going to the Chinese restaurant when it gets to dark to shoot".
As to bump stocks - the prevailing thought is "Stupid gimmick, that is why I don't have one". Everyone I shoot with has known about these since they came out and nobody I know bought one. I didn't. In fact, using one will change a highly accurate precision barrel into a "broad side of barn" plinker in short order, as full auto fire overheats barrels and reduces their accuracy capability. My crew is angered at the opportunism of the politicians - like the local state rep who tried to add on other things to the bill to confiscate legal private property, but isn't really concerned about the bump stock ban.
Did you know the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stepped on its organ with bump stocks?
First, they approved the Atkins Accellerator - a bump stock with a spring to make it easier to use.
Then, they de-approved the Atkins, and required owners dispose of the spring
Then, they left the approval for the springless ones in place
My reaction when I read the original approval ruling letter was WTF?
Interestingly, the BATFE just rejected approval for another gadget - a glove with a trigger finger that vibrates quickly. While this may have some potential as a sex toy, it was even stupider than a bump stock.
Why should we trust you? Who is to say that you won't become mentally ill one day (God forbid, of course!) and resort to your "hobby" and do some real damage? Can you promise that you will always be that good guy with a gun?
Why should I trust the govt and cede by right to defense to the state?
If I ever get sick of ESRD, I have the choice of many ways to end it ... one is even legal. I would never bring dishonor to the gun owning community by using a firearms against myself or others (lawful self defense excluded).
Saul Alinsky? C'mon, man!
Read "Rules for Radicals". Ridicule is one of the techniques on his list.