Las Vegas STRONG

[KarenInWA]

How do you know they haven't?  How much have you given?  Oh, wait, they were probably Repubtards, so you won't.  You bleeding heart lib-tards  talk but don't act.  That over 8 million was only in 3 days.  That is a Miracle.  Thank you Jesus.

You know Rerun, you should never assume something so terrible about another member on here. No, I haven't donated *yet* because I have not yet taken the time to find a link so I can donate. I am lucky that I can afford to donate. Maybe some of these politicians or NRA people have donated, but the NRA as a whole should absolutely donate, no question. And they need to donate BIGLY. To not do that will only prove to those of us who are not their fans just what kind of organization they are.

You want to know what I was doing as the shooting was happening? I was getting ready for bed, happily listening to my copy of Garth Brooks Live because I'm all excited about seeing him in concert next month. Then I wake up in the morning to this horrible news, and I haven't been able to listen to it since because it feels weird. I know I will get over it. I am definitely going to the concert, though now I'll be going in honor of those who went to this concert with the goal of having nothing more than a good time enjoying music.

KarenInWA

[Simon Dog]

politicians that they bought

Politicians can only be rented, not bought.

Even if they feel they are not responsible

I find it interesting whenever anyone draws a linkage suggesting that gun owners "owe" the victims of a shooting they were not involved in more than they "own" PR storm victims; victims of childhood cancer; etc.  Charity and helping one's fellow man is good, however, the undercurrent is a suggesting that those not committing a crime are somehow to blame for those who do.

Would you suggest the NAACP or UNCF make a donation to the victims when a black person commits a henious crime?  Should synagogues take up a special collection if a mass murder turns out to be Jewish?

And what suggestions do you make to automobile owners when a drunk driver kills someone?

The tragedy here is unimaginable.  Since the people were packed together and standing, the hits were generally in the upper torso and head - making for horrendous injuries that last a lifetime.   This is not like the movies where the shootee mutters something about "just a fleshwound", gets bandaged up at tbe back of the ambulance, and returns to the office later in the day.

[kristina]

I am very saddened about what happened in Las Vegas and I am wondering whether people who do atrocities like that have been drugged & hypnotized in some way to do these atrocities? Could that possibly be?
Kristina

[Rerun]

Karen, I didn't want to be mean to you, but you were making some pretty big assumptions yourself.  Sorry 

The bottom line is if someone has evil in their heart and think about it all the time.  It will come to fruition.  I will vote for banning all guns.  I will do that for you guys.  But, if this guy couldn't get 47 guns he could still get 5.  All it takes is one. 

I "pray" this crime never happens again. 

[solid98]

I am very saddened about what happened in Las Vegas and I am wondering whether people who do atrocities like that have been drugged & hypnotized in some way to do these atrocities? Could that possibly be?
Kristina

It's now being reported he was given a script for Valium, which, as we all know causes violent outbursts. 

[solid98]

The NRA spent $52 million buying votes and politicians for the 2016 election.
KarenInWA

Happen to have a source for those numbers handy? The Senate Office of Public Records reports the NRA only spent $3.6 million in 2015?

[solid98]

My SBR form 1 is up to 10 months and counting   

Oh, well, that's different. SBR's should TOTALLY be banned.

Just kidding. I was interested in building a 14" AR and even went so far as to form a trust, but lost interest after having to start dialysis. Also, couldn't make up my mind to go 5.56 or 300BLK.

Thanks to technology, cheap 3D printers, and the internet, nothing can ever be effectively banned again.

[KarenInWA]

The NRA spent $52 million buying votes and politicians for the 2016 election.
KarenInWA

Happen to have a source for those numbers handy? The Senate Office of Public Records reports the NRA only spent $3.6 million in 2015?

I heard this bit of info on the radio this morning - on a Seattle talk station that has local broadcasters that span both sides of the political spectrum.

I just did a google search on it, and while I could find no Fox News links, I did find numerous other links stating this very same thing. Here are a couple of them.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-nra-money-20171003-story.html

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/353670-hoyer-gop-cowed-by-nra

KarenInWA

[solid98]

The NRA spent $52 million buying votes and politicians for the 2016 election.
KarenInWA

Happen to have a source for those numbers handy? The Senate Office of Public Records reports the NRA only spent $3.6 million in 2015?

I heard this bit of info on the radio this morning - on a Seattle talk station that has local broadcasters that span both sides of the political spectrum.

I just did a google search on it, and while I could find no Fox News links, I did find numerous other links stating this very same thing. Here are a couple of them.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-nra-money-20171003-story.html

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/353670-hoyer-gop-cowed-by-nra

KarenInWA

OK, thanks. The search results I found were all over the place.

I could find no Fox News links

For the record, I would not ever consider Fox News a credible news source.

[KarenInWA]

I could find no Fox News links

For the record, I would not ever consider Fox News a credible news source.

That's good to hear! Sadly, my mom is a true Fox News believer.

KarenInWA

[kristina]

I am very saddened about what happened in Las Vegas and I am wondering whether people who do atrocities like that have been drugged & hypnotized in some way to do these atrocities? Could that possibly be?
Kristina

It's now being reported he was given a script for Valium, which, as we all know causes violent outbursts. 

Many thanks for the information, solid98, it is very much appreciated and perhaps that could be a good point to really "start digging" in an effort to find the truth?
After all, these days, everything in crime seems to "circle" around "profiling" the perpetrator and this particular perpetrator does not come over to be able and fit "comfortably" the "perpetrator-profile" ?
Many thanks again and kind regards again from Kristina.

[Rerun]

I heard this morning on an advertisement about using a meat thermometer for cooking meat.... 3,000 people die every year from food poisoning.   OMG     

[Simon Dog]

even went so far as to form a trust

You might appreciate my trust name - "The Dog Gun Trust".  Carefully chosen since it has to be engraved on any SBR I make.

lso, couldn't make up my mind to go 5.56 or 300BLK.

9x19.  Way cheaper to shoot, easy to make ammo for, loads of fun.  5.56 is pricey; don't even want to think about paying for 300 blackout.

It's now being reported he was given a script for Valium, which, as we all know causes violent outbursts. 

Studies suggest that long term use of Valium, or any benzo, significantly increases the risk of dementia in late life.

I heard this morning on an advertisement about using a meat thermometer for cooking meat.... 3,000 people die every year from food poisoning.   OMG     

Ban food!!!

For the record, I would not ever consider Fox News a credible news source.

The bias in both CNN (Clinton News Network) and Fox is obvious.  Remember when the homeowner held the escaped cons a gunpoint for the police?   I knew before even going to the web sites that how it went down with a civilian gun owner would be the headliner in the Foxnews story and buried very late in the article in the CNN store.   Each side has a tendency to claim that the network that takes their political side is the biased one, but the truth is both are.   You need to pay attention to not only those news sources that support your politics, but those that are on the other side, to get a balanced view.  And that is true no matter what side you are on.

[KarenInWA]

I heard this morning on an advertisement about using a meat thermometer for cooking meat.... 3,000 people die every year from food poisoning.   OMG   

Rerun, I really don't understand you. I know you are angry about big dialysis companies making bank off of those of us with the Bad Kidneys card, and I completely and totally agree with you on that. The way we do medical care and profit in this country is so whacked out it's not even close to being funny - especially when you're one of the tools being used to make profit off of.

So why do you protect the NRA so fiercely?? What is it about "your kind" that defends to the grave a huge, $$ grubbing outfit that exists only to fan the flames of greed at the expense of innocent American lives?? Tell me, Rerun, what has the NRA done for YOU???

Meanwhile, we have 58 dead innocent victims, well over 400 injured victims, and untold amounts of medical bills, PTSD counseling for countless individuals who were affected, and the big, untouchable NRA sitting there on their piles and piles of $$ - and their favorite politicians (and yes, some of them are Democrats) probably all wiping their collective asses with it. NO F""""""'n MORE!!!!! They who benefit from this crony poop need to man/woman up and donate that $$ to the victims. Period. End of story. I am so fired up over this issue that I almost want to fly to DC so I can protest the MF'ers who have benefitted from all of this.

Am I proud to be an American? I used to be. I can't really say that anymore. But I'm stuck here because my kidneys suck.

KarenInWA

[iolaire]

I heard this morning on an advertisement about using a meat thermometer for cooking meat.... 3,000 people die every year from food poisoning.   OMG   

And how many laws, training programs, site visits and such do we have to try to prevent our food system from casing food poisoning?  Not only that I'm sure congress has not blocked all federal funds from being used to research the problem.

[Rerun]

Iolaire - The meat is probably GOOD but if not cooked properly can kill you. 

Karen - I have NO ties to the NRA.  Ban them I don't care.  But, guns are here and lots of them.  I don't have a gun, but I'm glad my neighbor does if some nut job is trying to break in our houses.  I am for the 2nd Amendment right for us to have guns to defend ourselves.  I am just rational enough to know guns don't kill people.  People do.  And if there are no guns there are trucks, knives, and drugs out of control that kill more people than guns. 

This guy was a nut job.  And an OLD Nut Job at that.  Unbelievable.   I feel bad for his mail order girlfriend.  She obviously knows nothing of his secret life. 

[Jean]

 Well, now that we have blamed the Untied States of America, Re-Runs praying and the NRA, perhaps we should think of a more peaceful time when the Insane Asylums were still open. IMHO if more of these nuts were locked up, less of them would be out on the streets. By the way Rerun, my Hubby and I have prayed for the victims every night since it happened. It doesnt hurt and MM, if you think America is so bad, you have the option of leaving.

[Simon Dog]

The meat is probably GOOD but if not cooked properly can kill you.

Dr William Castelli (former head of the Framingham Heart Study) told me that properly cooked meat can kill you as well.

[KarenInWA]

Iolaire - The meat is probably GOOD but if not cooked properly can kill you. 

Karen - I have NO ties to the NRA.  Ban them I don't care.  But, guns are here and lots of them.  I don't have a gun, but I'm glad my neighbor does if some nut job is trying to break in our houses.  I am for the 2nd Amendment right for us to have guns to defend ourselves.  I am just rational enough to know guns don't kill people.  People do.  And if there are no guns there are trucks, knives, and drugs out of control that kill more people than guns. 

This guy was a nut job.  And an OLD Nut Job at that.  Unbelievable.   I feel bad for his mail order girlfriend.  She obviously knows nothing of his secret life.

While it is true that it is the shooter's responsibility, it is also the responsibility of the NRA and the NRA-bought politicians for preventing reasonable gun control that allowed this gun nutter to purchase and harbor so much artillery w/o so much as a blink from anybody. Why is this a thing in this country??? Why are we a nation of paranoid, ball-tucking snowflakes who feel the need to collect mounds and mounds of things made for one purpose only ---- TO KILL??

Last I knew, food actually has a life sustaining purpose. Food is made to not kill, altho preparations are at times skipped and it ends up killing a few innocent people. Regulations are necessary, but some people think that stamps on their freedoms. However, food is one thing, guns and ammo quite another. Try again.

Cars also are made for other purposes - killing is a side effect. Driving is a privilege, not a right, yet it seems like it gets treated like a right. Test those who need to be tested before renewing their license. More regulation may be needed there, too, but again, some people says that tramps all over their "rights".

NRA supports guns and ammo and little to no laws regarding purchase. They buy our government to make sure this is so. As a result of their lobbying, we had a tragedy happen upon innocents this past Sunday night. Now those people's lives are forever changed, as is the life of a thriving city. NRA needs to donate their $$ - as does their political puppets. These people never asked for any of this. I honestly don't see how anyone doesn't get that.

Do Pro-NRA people cuddle their guns at night???

KarenInWA

[MooseMom]

Well Jean, who is going to pay for all of these insane asylums you want to see?  How will the care and treatment for these patients be funded?  Congress would never appropriate sufficient funding, but they ARE happy to pass legislation that makes it EASIER for a severely mentally I'll person to buy a gun.  And now we see the result of that brilliant idea.

Good for you for praying.  I am sure it makes you feel morally superior and vitally useful.

Sure, I could emigrate from the US, but you know I don't back down.  I want my country back.

Karen, do you know that is the exact question someone asked on a radio phone in show here in the US???  Really!  People have actually asked if guns are just a male enhancement tool, sort of like fancy sports cars.  I kid you not.

[iolaire]

Karen, do you know that is the exact question someone asked on a radio phone in show here in the US???  Really!  People have actually asked if guns are just a male enhancement tool, sort of like fancy sports cars.  I kid you not.

I think you mean "here in the UK"?

[MooseMom]

According to the Gun Violence Archive, there have been 273 mass shootings in the past 275 days in the US.  They define a mass shooting as a shooting in which at least four people have been shot to death.  Somebody please explain to me how this statistic, which certainly makes the US unique, is going to make America great again.

Americans must not be praying hard enough.

Lol...yes, Karen, I meant "here in the UK".  Thanks for reminding me where I am!

[MooseMom]

Oh jeez.  I mean iolaire! 

[MooseMom]

I would like to know why a proposed bill loosening restrictions on the use of silencers is called "The Sportsmens' Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act".  How disingenuous. 

[Simon Dog]

I would like to know why a proposed bill loosening restrictions on the use of silencers is called "The Sportsmens' Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act".  How disingenuous.

Bills are always given names to further the agenda of the proponents.   Opponents often find these names deceptive (frequently rightly so).

The "Why" is because bills are given the name by the original sponsor(s), and they always pick names to help with the marketing.  Control the vocabulary and you control the debate.

Silencers would enhance the experience for many sportsmen.   If you have experience using cans, and appearing in court for a ballistic/acoustic case, you would be as qualified as I am to render an opinion on that conclusion.

Patriot Act - is it really "patriotic" to take away customer financial confidentiality; establish secret courts; and reduce due process?

Bank secrecy act - required more, not less, disclosure of banking transactions to the government

Nixon's "monetization of the dollar" - eliminated the ability to redeem silver certificates for the actual metal backing the currency

Now those people's lives are forever changed, as is the life of a thriving city. NRA needs to donate their $$ - as does their political puppets.

If a black person committed a horrendous crime would you be suggesting that the NAACP or UNCF should be donating money to the victims as some sort of atonement?

And what if a Jewish person did so?   Would you be saying that Synagogues should be taking up a special collection to atone for the criminal act of a member of their tribe?  David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz was raised in a Jewish home, but I don't seem to remember call for collective atonement by the Jewish community.

Do Pro-NRA people cuddle their guns at night???

I leave mine in the safe.   My dog sleeps next to me at night.

Do anti-NRA people cuddle printouts of their gun ban bills at night?

Driving is a privilege, not a right, yet it seems like it gets treated like a right.

There are FAR more protections for driving licenses than gun ownership in some parts of the country.  Where I live, I can lose my gun rights if I am accused of a crime and found not guilty, or if I exercise my right to remain silent when interrogated by police. If I am convicted of DUI, I lose the right to own a gun anywhere in the US for life, but can eventually drive a multi-ton killing machine on the highways legally.

ARE happy to pass legislation that makes it EASIER for a severely mentally I'll person to buy a gun

Er. no.  The bill that was passed (it might have just been a policy change) was to not render someone a "prohibited person" because they receive Social Security retirement or disability benefits and have designated a "representative payee" to manage their finances.   This is sometimes done for convenience, or because someone feels they would rather use the services of a younger relative to deal with the SS administration.  There was a similar issue with VA benefits but I am not sure how that was resolved.

One must also consider unintended consequences.  Do you really want gun owners who are feeling depressed or showing other signs of mental illness to avoid treatment because they fear being put on "a list"?   I'm not talking about not disarming people who show violent tendencies or who have a loose grasp on reality, but ordinary people who may want to talk to their MD about depressive symptoms ... but are afraid to do so.