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« on: August 02, 2006, 12:50:15 PM »
A company in Pennsylvania has been working on a form of dialysis that occurs via the digestive system.  Using speciallly cultered bacteria that would consume the body's toxins as food is an approach being taken by a company called Kibow Biotech.  They've had a presence on the web for some years now but are little known and I don't think their product has ever replaced the common forms of dialysis at least in a person. It's worth a look to see what they are doing so try this URL http://www.kibowbiotech.com/ for more information. 
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2006, 09:15:38 PM »
That is interesting.

I often wondered why we can't use our largest organ to filter out toxins...Skin.  We sweat out some sodium and who knows what else could be pulled from the blood to the skin and out.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2006, 07:39:05 AM »
Thanks Livecam. This is fascinating. I like the way some folks are thinking!!

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2006, 09:42:50 AM »
I had a look at it and it is very interesting.  Hope it gets properly developed and then that it goes worldwide.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2006, 09:30:48 AM »
From their website as posted by livecam:


"Over the years we have partnered various institutions in studies which helped in developing our current products. We hope to explore more collaborations and would love to hear from any interested parties especially in areas of bacteriotherapy, nephrology and gastroenterology."

What institutions? What years?

It is always interesting to read a web site for the facts that it does not include, rather than for the facts it does include.

I'm just skeptical.      ;)
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2006, 05:41:22 AM »
Wouldnt it be just great, if we could just eat some bacteria and not have to go on dialysis  :beer1;
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2006, 09:42:12 AM »
Quote from: aMbEr_79 on September 27, 2006, 05:41:22 AM
Wouldnt it be just great, if we could just eat some bacteria and not have to go on dialysis  :beer1;

Yes, but you might be spending all day on the toilet!!      :-\
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Just the facts: 70.0 kgs. (about 154 lbs.)
Treatment: Tue-Thur-Sat   5.5 hours, 2x/wk, 6 hours, 1x/wk
Dialysate flow (Qd)=600;  Blood pump speed(Qb)=315
Fresenius Optiflux-180 filter--without reuse
Fresenius 2008T dialysis machine
My KDOQI Nutrition (+/ -):  2,450 Calories, 84 grams Protein/day.

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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2006, 12:12:59 AM »
Quote from: Zach on September 27, 2006, 09:42:12 AM
Quote from: aMbEr_79 on September 27, 2006, 05:41:22 AM
Wouldnt it be just great, if we could just eat some bacteria and not have to go on dialysis  :beer1;

Yes, but you might be spending all day on the toilet!!      :-\

We could call it Dialyshit.  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2006, 02:26:29 AM »
Quote from: Epoman on September 28, 2006, 12:12:59 AM
Quote from: Zach on September 27, 2006, 09:42:12 AM
Quote from: aMbEr_79 on September 27, 2006, 05:41:22 AM
Wouldnt it be just great, if we could just eat some bacteria and not have to go on dialysis  :beer1;

Yes, but you might be spending all day on the toilet!!      :-\

We could call it Dialyshit.  ;D
Dialyshit"s"   ;)
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2006, 04:01:49 AM »
I would gladly spend all day on the toilet instead of dialysis!
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2006, 09:01:08 PM »
Quote from: aMbEr_79 on September 28, 2006, 04:01:49 AM
I would gladly spend all day on the toilet instead of dialysis!

All day?     :-\
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No transplant.  Not yet, anyway.  Only decided to be listed on 11/9/06. Inactive at the moment.  ;)
I make films.

Just the facts: 70.0 kgs. (about 154 lbs.)
Treatment: Tue-Thur-Sat   5.5 hours, 2x/wk, 6 hours, 1x/wk
Dialysate flow (Qd)=600;  Blood pump speed(Qb)=315
Fresenius Optiflux-180 filter--without reuse
Fresenius 2008T dialysis machine
My KDOQI Nutrition (+/ -):  2,450 Calories, 84 grams Protein/day.

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2006, 09:10:04 PM »
ha ha ha ha ha ha

he said "Dialyshit"  OMG I just busted a kidney - that's freakin' funny!

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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2006, 09:16:10 PM »
Quote from: Epoman on September 28, 2006, 12:12:59 AM
We could call it Dialyshit.  ;D


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Uninterrupted in-center (self-care) hemodialysis since 1982 -- 34 YEARS on March 3, 2016 !!
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No transplant.  Not yet, anyway.  Only decided to be listed on 11/9/06. Inactive at the moment.  ;)
I make films.

Just the facts: 70.0 kgs. (about 154 lbs.)
Treatment: Tue-Thur-Sat   5.5 hours, 2x/wk, 6 hours, 1x/wk
Dialysate flow (Qd)=600;  Blood pump speed(Qb)=315
Fresenius Optiflux-180 filter--without reuse
Fresenius 2008T dialysis machine
My KDOQI Nutrition (+/ -):  2,450 Calories, 84 grams Protein/day.

"Living a life, not an apology."
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2006, 12:18:18 AM »
I dont really know. Surely if it were an option you wouldnt be on the toilet all day. Its a tough question.
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2006, 11:55:56 PM »
hey i think u r talking about Kibow biotech.
they have started the enteric dialysis concept.
i talkec to them but Sr vice president{R & D} told me that this is not for ESRD patient.
it will not reverse or repair the kidney damage but will enhance the quality of  life of predialysis patient in the form of decreased accumulation of toxic wast.r
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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2006, 04:03:54 PM »
Quote from: shivashankerprasad on December 23, 2006, 11:55:56 PM
i talkec to them but Sr vice president{R & D} told me that this is not for ESRD patient.

Are you sure? That's pretty disappointing - I think I remember reading somewhere on their website that they were planning to use gut therapy instead of dialysis, not just as a pre-dialysis treatment...
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2006, 09:18:05 PM »
Really - why couldn't it be used in conjunction with dialysis?  Wouldn't it just help us be healthier?  Especially patients on regular 3X a week in center?  Seems like taking something that would help keep the toxin levels down would be good, even if we still need the fluid removed regularly.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2007, 10:26:50 AM »
Quote from: Zach on September 29, 2006, 09:01:08 PM
Quote from: aMbEr_79 on September 28, 2006, 04:01:49 AM
I would gladly spend all day on the toilet instead of dialysis!

All day?     :-\

I've tried it involuntarily...not recommended.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2013, 11:02:29 PM »
Hey everyone, I realize this is a really old topic but I'm considering ordering Renadyl for my husband who is on peritoneal dialysis with ESRD (GFR of 4). I figure why not give his body a little help with those toxins.. But my concern is that some of the things that build up and become toxic are needed by the body in small doses, so wouldn't this Bacteria be robbing you of nutrients you'd normally get from your food?
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2014, 04:06:18 PM »
I tried this product, and it works.  It reduces protein wastes in the blood.  It doesn't effect phosphorus, though.  And it's not cheap.  You have to keep it refrigerated.
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