Is there a GOD? - ding! ding! ding ding geeeeet reaaaaaady toooooo rummmmble!!!!

[fc2821]

I want to be a wave..... not a particle.....please!!          

Please make another thread about this.  Thank you~

Rerun, Moderator

Rerun, I mentioned particle physics becuse it is one of things tht makes me beleive there is a God.  It is germaine to this this thread. 

And I meant to say "Judge not lest ye be judged.

I am sorry if this thread is not going the way you want it to be.  Supporting your beliefs only? 

[Rerun]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, for whom shall believe in him shall not parish but have everlasting life.  "John 3:16"

[dwcrawford]

i just complained to the moderator about paul with a hole and was told moderates are not the manners police.  i have only one finger for typing.  im going to stop typing for a while.  just visualize what im doing with the finger now

[tyefly]

                           

[paul.karen]

Sucking it like a little baby.

Just like when you cry to moderators.

Funny how you can call people out but you cant take it when someone calls you out.
Kinda like a 6 year old.  Yet your 60.

[dwcrawford]

you suck it!

damn bully from the school yard~

[rocker]

Yes, I found that very offensive and hurtful

That is interesting, that you were offended.

Since you find prayers for your own enlightenment to be offensive and hurtful, should we assume that you were intending to be offensive and hurtful when you prayed for ours?

[paul.karen]

Oh Danny Boy im no bully.    But your a tattletale 
You just dont like the facts i quess?

Im done with you for now.  So Bugger off.

First your done with this thread then you come back time after time.  make up your mind then your not responding to me yet you respond to me. 

[dwcrawford]

not done with u witch with b without w

[okarol]

If this thread doesn't get back on track I will lock it.


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[monrein]

Dear God, or FSM, or Whomever, since I have no clue who else to address this to,
Please help everyone to grow up and learn to treat others with the respect they would wish to receive themselves.  Please help us all to learn the real meaning of tolerance and to realize that our words can hurt others, accidently or by our own intent.  May we all take to heart, whatever our religious beliefs or indeed the absence of same, the message that YOU, whoever you may be , will make wiser judgments of each of us than we ever can of ourselves or of others, including "sinners" and "saints", however you might define those loaded terms.   Please help us to try really hard to understand where others might be coming from as they try to make sense of this world which itself presents us with so much diversity in how we look, think and behave.   Please let us not fall prey to the idea that we hold the unique truth for anything. Thank you for your patience with the extreme silliness to which we humans can resort and thank you also for the gift of allowing us to think for ourselves, including the option of making a mistake or even mistakes in our beliefs. 

[del]

Dear God, or FSM, or Whomever, since I have no clue who else to address this to,
Please help everyone to grow up and learn to treat others with the respect they would wish to receive themselves.  Please help us all to learn the real meaning of tolerance and to realize that our words can hurt others, accidently or by our own intent.  May we all take to heart, whatever our religious beliefs or indeed the absence of same, the message that YOU, whoever you may be , will make wiser judgments of each of us than we ever can of ourselves or of others, including "sinners" and "saints", however you might define those loaded terms.   Please help us to try really hard to understand where others might be coming from as they try to make sense of this world which itself presents us with so much diversity in how we look, think and behave.   Please let us not fall prey to the idea that we hold the unique truth for anything. Thank you for your patience with the extreme silliness to which we humans can resort and thank you also for the gift of allowing us to think for ourselves, including the option of making a mistake or even mistakes in our beliefs.

Very well said monrein.  Just get back on topic .  Respect each others views and don't try to convince other people that your belief is the only belief that is correct!!!

[fc2821]

      Rerun, I am sorry I picked on you because of the way you believe.  You have the right to beleive as you wish.   
                                                                           Rob

[Rerun]

Yes, I found that very offensive and hurtful

That is interesting, that you were offended.

Since you find prayers for your own enlightenment to be offensive and hurtful, should we assume that you were intending to be offensive and hurtful when you prayed for ours?

I don't call your god a monster.  I don't mock your god.  I'm just telling you there is one way to heaven. 

Again.... I am taught to believe there is only one God and one way to heaven and I'm taught to SAVE you!  I can't not try.  I can't let you believe you will just float around and sit on a star.  So humor me and say the sinners prayer and accept Jesus.  No, don't because God will know your are not serious.

[BigSky]

Sucking it like a little baby.

Just like when you cry to moderators.

Funny how you can call people out but you cant take it when someone calls you out.
Kinda like a 6 year old.  Yet your 60.

I was thinking 2, not 6. 

[BigSky]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, for whom shall believe in him shall not parish but have everlasting life.  "John 3:16"

 

[Rerun]

      Rerun, I am sorry I picked on you because of the way you believe.  You have the right to believe as you wish.   
                                                                           Rob

Rob, you have the right to believe as you wish also, but I can't stand by when I know the truth and let people go astray.  You know the word and you have chosen your belief.  I'm good with that.  But, for those who don't know the WORD of God and just want to believe in what they think or feel and just follow any whim or feeling I just have to encourage them (preach) to read God's Word.  I guess for those who have read the Bible then I'll stay off your case and let you go your way.  Because you know the truth and have chosen to either walk away or pick and choose what you want to.  At least you have heard.

I don't care if what I say is offensive. It is only offensive because you don't know the Word.  If you did you would know....  I think drinking and driving is wrong and that would also offend someone.

[willowtreewren]

Rerun,
I did not call your god a monster. I used the very same prayer that you posted, aimed at those you consider need your help, and substituted the Flying Spaghetti Monster (a silly god) as the deity to whom the prayer was addressed.

The reason I did this is because it seems difficult for you to put yourself in the shoes of others in order to better understand how your words are taken. You found what I posted offensive. I found what you posted offensive as might many religious people who have perfectly valid reasons for their beliefs (just as you do). A different set of beliefs really shouldn't make it all right to force your beliefs on others. Explaining is one thing and good in the interest of better understanding.

Furthermore, I never called you names. I may have thought of some uncomplimentary monikers for you, but decorum dictates that I hold my tongue. On the other hand, you have called me a rather unpleasant name - sinner - and it appears you did so with some relish.

I'm sorry that you consider it a directive from your god to act in such an unpleasant way. If this was an attempt to cow me (or others) into submissive belief, it fails miserably, since I would not want to sink to such meanness in order to be counted among your god's chosen few.

If you want to be more successful at convincing others to accept the same world view that you have, it might be prudent to consider a gentler way of doing so.

Respectfully,
Aleta

[Hanify]

Please don't lock it Okarol - I'm getting more laughter from this thread than anything I've read for a long time!
Paul.Karen reread your threads please and have a think about how rude you come across  - I don't think you quite realise how you sound - it's probably that old internet thing where things are missed.  Ummm ... God, God, God (thought I'
d better put that in or I'm wayyyyy off topic).

[willowtreewren]

Ummm ... God, God, God (thought I'
d better put that in or I'm wayyyyy off topic).

Oh, Hanify, you crack me up!

 

[dwcrawford]

Who the devil is Bigsky?  Anybody ever heard of him?

I hate disagreeing with Hanify, but Okarol, I wish you would lock it.  Except then the more dangerous inmates would be out in other threads.  Come to think of it, leave it alone please.

[Hanify]

God, (and Dan) there was a jiucy terrorist thread we could try out....

[paris]

I have posted my thoughts here.  Right now, my energy is spent praying for my cousin's baby she has been in the process of adopting for two years who is in Haiti.  Katy has no real idea if the orphanage is standing or if all the children are safe. She is suppose to go to Haiti in two weeks to finalize papers. That won't happen now.  If you want to pray--pray for Gracie and her safety.

Now, I think if I can let you believe in your faith, why can't you let me be happy in mine?   Please let us all stop the name calling and the insults.  It has gone beyond a discussion to a hurtful belittling of beliefs.    And I know I am going to Heaven (where ever that is) because I am a child of God and I am loved.   I love each of you, too, no matter where you turn for comfort and guidance.           He has the whole world in His hands   

[jennyc]

   I said I wasn't going to  and I am not, but I do have to make some comments. 

  Hemodoc, I am a Christian (not your kind of Christian it seems) and I beleive in God.  My comments were not an attack on Christianity or beleif in God.  I just don't like being beat over the head with the bible  .   I wanted to point out just as you do about science, that the bible can be interpreted differently and has been through many changes over the centuries.  That the bible does not contain all the writtings of either early Christians or the Jewish religion before Jesus.  That to apreciate the bible and Jesus you need to read some of these other things.  I did not do so to attack you or your beleifs or the bible.  If you thought so, you are mistaken.  I just wanted to present this information to those who do not know it is there. 
   When I refered to "fragle Christians" I was refering to you and rerun, I appologise for being so personal.  But, rerun said that she would loose her faith if at some time we made contact with an alien civilization.  You stated that the bible does not mention life on other words, there for there is no life on others.  How do you both not know that people on other worlds don't beleive in God and that God might not be the same one?  You can't.  Nor should you let such a thing damage your belief.  It is all speculation, and may never happen.  But to falter in your belief.... As I asked rerun, would it negate the techings of Jesus?  Would it?  To me the answer is no.  And, I was saddened to see she would feel this way. 
    You must realise that this thread hs turned into the "argue with hemodoc thread" .  Something I am against.  We should not be arguing with you or anyone.  This should be a palce where we can some state our reasons for beleiving in God or not.  Then others who are in need of comfort may find things to make them think as they ponder how and why they need to struggle against their kidney failure and associated health problems. 
  As has been stated, someone comes here states what they belive and you tell them they are wrong.  Your comments about the Pope and the Catholic faith show that you are not tolerant of other's beliefs.  I do not find the the Catholic faith to appeal to what I believe, but I do not belittle others for beleiving in it.  Then others coem and tell you, you are wrong.  Can't we just say, I don't see it your way but you are intitled to your opinion? 
    Hemodoc, you say that in your 20's you studied science, religon, and did not find the answers you were seeking.  That when you turned to the bible you found God.  I say good!  I am glad. But realise there are others, such as myself who came to God in different ways.  I do not find fault in your way.    I grew up in a Christian home and went to church as a child.  In college I was exposed to other ideas, sicence and religon and began to read on the topics.  My first wife's parents were athiests and were shocked when at age 11 she professed a belief in God because it seems Einstien belived in some sort of God.  All of her life they tried to persude her she was wrong and were upset tht she married someone who blieved in God.  So, I have been exposed to their beliefs.  I  am not new to debating a God and beliefs, nor believing in God. 
     To me there is proof of God in sience.  Hemodoc and  others who are not Christians do not see this.  It is ok.   I  see it in string theory and particle physics.  By the way physics has gone past the "Big Bang" a long time ago.   
     I only ask that we all stop fighting, respect each others views. Quit trying to convince each other we are wrong.  You see we might ALL be wrong, who knows.  It is only what we believe anyway.  We can not prove either way if God exists, if the bible is correct, if you are right and I am wrong or vice versa. 
     That said, I am going back on the side lines. If the past is any indicator, there will be a reply.  I will not be drawn into further argumentation. 
                   

The modern day bible was based on the one created by the popes in the dark ages is it not? Many Gospels were removed by the Church esp that of Mary Magdelane, that was when they started the rumour about her being a whore, she wasn't she was a disciple. (i was raised roman catholic by the way).

[okarol]

Please don't lock it Okarol - I'm getting more laughter from this thread than anything I've read for a long time!
Paul.Karen reread your threads please and have a think about how rude you come across  - I don't think you quite realise how you sound - it's probably that old internet thing where things are missed.  Ummm ... God, God, God (thought I'
d better put that in or I'm wayyyyy off topic).

Hanify, I am using this as an example so please don't feel picked on. But when you mention a members name in a derogatory way, it's not only personal, but it is an attack. Is there ANYONE out there who cannot grasp this concept? Speak your mind but I am really tired of the PM's I am getting left and right from people who want to win this "argument." This is an off-topic thread and a small part of IHD, but it is taking TOO MUCH energy to moderate.
I am working on the Teen Kidney Prom that takes place Jan. 17 and there's a lot to do before Sunday. Lori Hartwell is losing her kidney transplant after 19 years and she needs extra help with the event. She has helped hundreds, if not thousands of people over the last 12 years with her Renal Support Network, and now her health is rapidly declining. That's where my efforts will be focused for the rest of this week, and not here in this thread.

Paris, I will indeed pray for baby Gracie in Haiti and the prospective parents. Best wishes to them all.

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