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« on: September 18, 2018, 07:46:29 PM »

Does anybody else have trouble with certain food upsetting you?I made hubby five seed healthy crackers and had some,straight away felt yuk and  :puke;it up.Im finding alot of whole grain food doing this is that normal?Never used to have this problem
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2018, 05:26:27 AM »

My wifeís throat will close up when she eats things like wheat bread or whole grain bread without other food. It causes her to gag or almost choke and sometimes want to spit. It doesnít happen with white bread which has more gluten.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2018, 10:26:30 AM »

When someoneís throat is closed up. Itís called anaphylactic allergic reactions. They need to call 911.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2018, 01:28:04 PM »

Does anybody else have trouble with certain food upsetting you?I made hubby five seed healthy crackers and had some,straight away felt yuk and  :puke;it up.Im finding alot of whole grain food doing this is that normal?Never used to have this problem
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I am allergic to garlic, in fact I cannot even stand to be near anyone who has eaten garlic and it has been like that through all my life.
That allergy has made going to restaurants difficult all my life, especially since these days everything is being cooked with garlic, as it is being used as a cheap preservative in most foods.
Being allergic to garlic, I have been waiting - for many years - for an explanation why garlic is so much promoted these days, especially by the food industry ... and ever doctors. Supposedly it is "good for your health", but in Europe it has hardly been known say 20-30 years ago and I wonder why all of a sudden it has become so important? If you ever read the labels of food offered in restaurants/market halls etc, you might notice, that garlic is everywhere and I don't understand....
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2018, 05:37:14 PM »


Do not the Italians use an amount of garlic with most tomato based dishes?

I'm pretty sure I bought garlic cloves in the markets in Germany.


OH, you meant 'Civilized' Europe.  My bad.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2018, 02:42:14 AM »

I have been waiting - for many years - for an explanation why garlic is so much promoted these days, especially by the food industry ... and ever doctors. Supposedly it is "good for your health".......

The reason it is promoted as being good for your health is because it IS good for your health. If you really "have been waiting - for many years - for an explanation", then I guess you live in a bubble that no medical journal can penetrate. While I sympathise with you over your allergy, complaining that a health food like garlic is promoted as a health food when you are allergic to it, is like someone with a penicillin allergy complaining that sick people get treated with penicillin.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2018, 02:44:29 AM »

OH, you meant 'Civilized' Europe.

Are you saying that Britain is the civilised part of Europe? If so.....well done, you are correct! :)

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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2018, 03:02:06 AM »

Does anybody else have trouble with certain food upsetting you?I made hubby five seed healthy crackers and had some,straight away felt yuk and  :puke;it up.Im finding alot of whole grain food doing this is that normal?Never used to have this problem

Getting back to the original question: I was told to avoid food with added seeds and also whole grain products. They are high in either potassium or phosphorus (forget which). It has been suggested that your body knows if your stomach is full of something bad for you and will attempt to get rid of it as fast as possible. Could it be that this is what is happening?
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2018, 06:15:52 AM »


Do not the Italians use an amount of garlic with most tomato based dishes?

I'm pretty sure I bought garlic cloves in the markets in Germany.


OH, you meant 'Civilized' Europe.  My bad.

Hello Charlie,
One of my best school friends from "the old days" is an indigenous Italian from Napoli and she introduced me not only to the language but she also taught me some Italian cooking and she never ever used any garlic. Mind you, she is an aristocrat, well brought up and would never ever compromise anyone with the smell of garlic.
The same goes for indigenous Germans I have met and I have never ever noticed anyone cooking there with garlic either...
Furthermore, I once heard from an Iranian gentleman, that in Iran garlic is only ever used in their food during their annual holiday which they usually enjoy on the beach. Apparently Iranian people are very conscientious about not to offend anyone with the smell of garlic ...
About my garlic allergy : If I am in a train or in a bus or anywhere else and anyone near me has been eating some food with garlic, I instantly have to find a way out and leave because the smell of garlic makes me instantly very, very sick ...
 
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2018, 06:33:37 AM »

I have been waiting - for many years - for an explanation why garlic is so much promoted these days, especially by the food industry ... and ever doctors. Supposedly it is "good for your health".......

The reason it is promoted as being good for your health is because it IS good for your health. If you really "have been waiting - for many years - for an explanation", then I guess you live in a bubble that no medical journal can penetrate. While I sympathise with you over your allergy, complaining that a health food like garlic is promoted as a health food when you are allergic to it, is like someone with a penicillin allergy complaining that sick people get treated with penicillin.

Hello Paul, I beg to differ... Have you ever wondered about the fact why garlic is promoted as being "good for your health" right now and not 10, 20 or 30 years ago or any time before that? Could there be a possibility that the cheap food offered in the shops/restaurants etc. is not of a good quality any longer and therefore, with the addition of garlic it may become more bearable to eat and perhaps a little bit more healthy?
By the way, the Queen and her family are known to avoid eating garlic at all times and they are known to always eat fresh food of the best quality... Just mentioning ... and ... could it be that they know something the general public doesn't ?
What do you think?
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2018, 10:39:05 AM »

Hi Kristina!  It is all too often true that this food or that food is suddenly in the news because it has just been discovered that it is some sort of cure all!  On the flip side, for years we've been told that some other food is dangerous only to be told the exact opposite decades later.  A lot of such "advice" should be taken with a grain of salt.

However, we are what we eat, and fresh foods of all sorts are filled with all kinds of beneficial qualities.  This is why we eat, and this is why we should eat a large variety of foods.  "Food" includes herbs and spices.  Many of our medicines have their origins in the natural world.

With respect to garlic, it IS known to have anti-bacterial qualities, particularly raw garlic (as nasty as that might sound).  A few years ago, my husband had the beginnings of an abscess under a crown.  He was NOT going to the dentist!   ::)  So, he took to the internet and found some information that suggested he put a clove of raw garlic on that tooth and then chew it for as long as he could stand it, at least 10 seconds if at all possible.  You should have seen his face!   :rofl;  Anyway, believe it or not (and I was EXTREMELY skeptical), the next day the abscess had disappeared.  (I've just spoken to him on the phone to confirm this.)

Personally, I would not have done this; I would have gone straight to the dentist, but this was his choice and that's what he did.  It worked for him, which suggests to me that it is true that garlic does have an anti-bacterial quality.

I have read that the Queen will not eat, or have served, garlic, and I certainly understand why.  She and her family have public duties and need to avoid causing offense with garlic breath.

But you are right that the quality of food in shops/restaurants can be very dodgy, and that's why they tend to be either too salty, too garlicky, too highly seasoned or too overloaded with sauce/dressing/gravy. It is always best to cook at home with ingredients that you know to be fresh.  When we go out for a meal, we go to specific places where we know everything is cooked fresh.


(Tonight I'm making a chicken dish that calls for a marinade that I will be making with SIX cloves of fresh garlic!!!  You'll be able to smell it from London!)

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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2018, 10:41:23 AM »


About my garlic allergy : If I am in a train or in a bus or anywhere else and anyone near me has been eating some food with garlic, I instantly have to find a way out and leave because the smell of garlic makes me instantly very, very sick ...


I will bear this in mind!!   :cuddle;
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2018, 10:47:06 AM »

Hi Kristina here is a link to get you quickly up to speed about garlic


  https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/131/3/951S/4687053


Apparently it even increases brain power.........
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2018, 12:42:34 PM »

I used to have a cast iron stomach.  I could eat just about anything without problems (but I never ate crappy food).

But that changed once I had to start taking phos binders.  What is weird is that even though I don't need them anymore, my digestive system is still rather prissy.  I used to love a good hot curry, but not so much now, which is very disappointing.

I can still eat garlic, though!  LOL!
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2018, 01:05:27 PM »

Hello Paul, I beg to differ... Have you ever wondered about the fact why garlic is promoted as being "good for your health" right now and not 10, 20 or 30 years ago or any time before that?

Well it has been well over twenty years, but I'll accept that it has not always been said. In the same way that chemotherapy has not always been advertised as a cure for cancer, so that is probably a fake too. Oh and dialysis, that has only been commonly used to treat kidney problems for a few decades, that must be a fake too. And kidney transplants - a lot younger an idea than garlic being healthy, so they certainly must not really work.

All medicine used today is relatively new. By your logic we should either go back to using witchcraft or go back to the theory that all disease is God's punishment on sinners, so we should let them suffer and die.

And then remember many years back smoking used to be considered good for you. So did cocaine and heroin. As the theory that they are all bad for you is relatively new, perhaps we should go back to binging on these things.

Could there be a possibility that the cheap food offered in the shops/restaurants etc. is not of a good quality any longer and therefore, with the addition of garlic it may become more bearable......

No..... You have been sneakily listening to fake news haven't you? That is the only place you will find nonsense like that!

By the way, the Queen and her family are known to avoid eating garlic at all times and they are known to always eat fresh food of the best quality... Just mentioning ... and ... could it be that they know something the general public doesn't ?

OK, forget fake news, you have been reading David Ike's books again! As MooseMom said, it is to avoid causing offence due to "garlic breath" or "garlic sweat". The royal family get the best food and medical treatment money can buy, but they do not have magic information about health matters no one else knows. They are just very rich people, they are not a "super race" with an agenda and secret information.

What do you think?

I think you should try getting your medical information from proper medical journals, and stop reading mad conspiracy theory websites. We are NOT all ruled by alien lizards in human skins, the moon landing was NOT faked, the government are NOT listening to our brainwaves through our TVs, and despite your allergy, garlic is good for human beings (and  many other animals).


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Getting back to the original question: I was told to avoid food with added seeds and also whole grain products. They are high in either potassium or phosphorus (forget which).

Yeah, that's phosphorus.  Whole grains are Naughty because they're high in phosphorus.  That's why renal patients are relegated to white bread.   Ugh.

My mom was on dialysis for about 5 years, and I don't remember her having digestive trouble with any particular food, but her sense of taste seemed to change quite a lot.  However, she was in her late 70s/early 80s, so perhaps that was due to age more than dialysis.  Uttanutta, do you think that dialysis treatments plus all of the meds he no doubt has to take might have resulted in changes in his sense of taste/smell?
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2018, 02:18:03 PM »

Hello Paul, I beg to differ... Have you ever wondered about the fact why garlic is promoted as being "good for your health" right now and not 10, 20 or 30 years ago or any time before that?

Well it has been well over twenty years, but I'll accept that it has not always been said. In the same way that chemotherapy has not always been advertised as a cure for cancer, so that is probably a fake too. Oh and dialysis, that has only been commonly used to treat kidney problems for a few decades, that must be a fake too. And kidney transplants - a lot younger an idea than garlic being healthy, so they certainly must not really work.

All medicine used today is relatively new. By your logic we should either go back to using witchcraft or go back to the theory that all disease is God's punishment on sinners, so we should let them suffer and die.

And then remember many years back smoking used to be considered good for you. So did cocaine and heroin. As the theory that they are all bad for you is relatively new, perhaps we should go back to binging on these things.

Could there be a possibility that the cheap food offered in the shops/restaurants etc. is not of a good quality any longer and therefore, with the addition of garlic it may become more bearable......

No..... You have been sneakily listening to fake news haven't you? That is the only place you will find nonsense like that!

By the way, the Queen and her family are known to avoid eating garlic at all times and they are known to always eat fresh food of the best quality... Just mentioning ... and ... could it be that they know something the general public doesn't ?

OK, forget fake news, you have been reading David Ike's books again! As MooseMom said, it is to avoid causing offence due to "garlic breath" or "garlic sweat". The royal family get the best food and medical treatment money can buy, but they do not have magic information about health matters no one else knows. They are just very rich people, they are not a "super race" with an agenda and secret information.

What do you think?

I think you should try getting your medical information from proper medical journals, and stop reading mad conspiracy theory websites. We are NOT all ruled by alien lizards in human skins, the moon landing was NOT faked, the government are NOT listening to our brainwaves through our TVs, and despite your allergy, garlic is good for human beings (and  many other animals).


Hello Paul,
no doubt you mean well, but I am not sure, what you are trying to convey...

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2018, 02:49:58 PM »

I am not sure, what you are trying to convey...

Seriously?

What I am trying to convey is that you are talking rubbish. Garlic has been seen as a "health food" at least since the 1980s, possibly longer. Most modern medical treatment has either been developed or updated since then, so if the garlic theory is too new then all medical science is too new, and you should avoid hospitals and GPs (except the really old out of date ones).

What I would guess has happened is that you were whining about your garlic allergy one day and a friend tried to cheer you up by saying something like "Never mind, much of what they say about garlic is probably untrue." And you have desperately grasped onto that as a fact, not realising it was a white lie to make you feel better.

You have then gone on to combine this "fact" with every other bit of fake news and conspiracy theory you have heard. You believe the food industry use garlic to cover up their poor quality food (not true, rubbish food sells well without garlic, they just have to sell it and people will buy it - if you don't believe me pop into Greggs and order "one of everything", you will find that nothing sets off your allergy, but you will still probably need a stomach pump after that). And you believe that the royal family have "special" knowledge that allows them to avoid garlic. This is based on one of the top five mad conspiracy theories/fake news items worldwide.

I have mentioned before that your refusal to read/watch news is putting you at risk of believing fake news when it is quoted to you by a friend or relative, but "what I am trying to convey" in these posts is that you have really outdone yourself here, you have taken two popular pieces of fake news, added one that appears to be an original creation, and combined the three of them in a web of fantasy simply because you appear to want an excuse for your allergy (you don't need one, allergies happen to many people, you don't have to explain it away).

That's "what I am trying to convey".

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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2018, 03:25:17 PM »

I found that after I began dialysis, my taste for foods containing cumin was greatly reduced. There are others, but cumin seems to be the one that really sticks out, perhaps because it is found in most all Tex-Mex and Mexican dishes and seems to be near universal across cultures.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2018, 06:07:32 PM »

well that has turned into an interesting debate on garlic!I have always thought garlic very good for you and ill stick with that.The main point of my first question was wholefoods like seeds and wholemeal dosnt sit well with me.Which i am finding very hard as im trying to support hubby who is trying to lose weight so that he can become a live donar for me,so trying to keep to healthy diet which i find hard on kidney diet.
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2018, 06:55:08 PM »

No Kristina, Paul is just trying to convey to you that is of supreme intelligence, otherwise known as claptrap. He is just teaching you how rude one person can be to another. He is doing very well, dont you think??
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2018, 08:57:24 PM »

well that has turned into an interesting debate on garlic!I have always thought garlic very good for you and ill stick with that.The main point of my first question was wholefoods like seeds and wholemeal dosnt sit well with me.Which i am finding very hard as im trying to support hubby who is trying to lose weight so that he can become a live donar for me,so trying to keep to healthy diet which i find hard on kidney diet.

I am so sorry, uttanutta!  I misread your original post and thought that it was your husband who was on dialysis and was not liking the wholefoods/wholemeal crackers!  My apologies.

Dialysis patients are supposed to stay away from wholemeal/whole grain foods because they are too high in phosphorus.  How much weight does your hubby need to lose? 

It is very nice of you to support your husband in his quest to lose weight, but a "healthy" diet for him will be very unhealthy (and even dangerous) for you.  A lot of fruits and vegetables are not good choices for renal patients as they are awfully high in potassium.  Again, your husband would benefit from eating an apple instead of an apple pie, but that apple could harm you (although you could peel it and eat only a slice or two).

Have you seen a renal dietician who can give you dietary advice?

As I asked before, do you think that maybe your sense of taste/smell might have changed over the years and through dialysis?
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2018, 09:00:46 PM »

Does anybody else have trouble with certain food upsetting you?I made hubby five seed healthy crackers and had some,straight away felt yuk and  :puke;it up.Im finding alot of whole grain food doing this is that normal?Never used to have this problem


My husband's taste changed since starting dialysis. He can't stomach anything first thing in the morning so waits to eat. I found that using different seasonings helps him but sometimes he will gag and have to leave the breakfast table. He use to eat whole wheat bread but has since had to switch to white (lower phos).


As for garlic....my husband's adoptive parents are Sicilian. He says people would be very surprised at what real Italian food tastes like (not great if you aren't use to it). No garlic. Same goes for authentic Mexican food. I thought back "in the old days" people swore that if they wore garlic around their necks it would ward off the evil spirits that were causing them to feel ill. Don't know if that's true or not but I think it would definitely clear out a crowd to hang garlic about your neck. I wouldn't suggest it. But I love, love, love eating it!
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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2018, 09:34:24 PM »

So, PT, I suppose your husband's experience adds to the evidence that people may taste food differently if they are on dialysis.  That makes perfect sense to me.

I confess that I had always thought that Italian food was always infused with garlic, so thanks for telling us about real Sicilian food.  That's really interesting especially since living in Chicagoland, you can't seem to find Italian food that does not include garlic as a key ingredient.

Chicagoland also has a large Mexican/Latino population, so we get a lot of really fabulous, authentic Mexican food that originates in all different areas of Mexico.  And you're right...no garlic.
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2018, 10:49:38 PM »

Just as a side note, one of the offices I worked in for "the bank" had a customer who just adored me and no one else could help him. Wonderful except for his horrible habit of eating tons of garlic all day. He always wanted me to sit next to him in the lobby while I listened to his problems, and several times it got so bad I thought I was going to faint due to his prolicivility to eat several heads of garlic a day, PHEW!!!! Finally I transferred out to another office and I did miss that old man, but sure not his garlic.
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