The Trump/Russia connection thread

[Michael Murphy]

Actually most of us will wait for Mueller, I don’t want trump dead, being put in prison would make me happy either Mueller or the State of New York may be able to do that.  The trump foundation investigation by New York State is as dangerous to the Donald as the Mueller investigation is.

[MooseMom]

The whole Russia, Russia, Russia thing would end sooner if Trump would just answer Mueller's questions AND if he'd also release his tax returns like he promised.  We need to make sure that Trump and his family are not personally profiting from a rigged election.

To be fair, though, we have to remember just what the issue is.  It is entirely possible that Trump's campaign team and transition team DID work with the Russians without Trump's knowledge.  It is imperative that we find out just who gave assistance to Putin to affect our election process.  If we don't, every single election in the future will be seen as invalid by half of all Americans.

Once we find out who the traitors are, they need to be jailed.  I believe that we do still have the death penalty for those convicted of treason.

Again, we have to understand what it is that Putin wants.  He wants the destruction of the Western alliance, and Trump is providing it.  I still want to know WHY he, and so many of you, are so enamoured of Putin.  I've asked several times, and no one seems to be able to explain.  Why is Trump breaking the alliance? 

Anyone?

[Bill Peckham]

MM treason is constitutionally defined and at this time I'm not sure it is possible to commit treason since we aren't officially at war - possible exception North Korea. Russia is an adversary, not an official enemy. A conspiracy to commit various felonies - foremost election fraud - wouldn't be treason. Weaponized rat p*ckery, yes. Illegal, yes. Treason, no.

[Jean]

Well well.....

First, Bill I think it was 2009. Surely you can remember that far back?? LOL, jk. I dont know that it was a conference, it could have been one of the meetings Lori was working on at the time.
Well, MM, DJT is working for free. He said so and Sarah said so, that is enough for me. Where is the proof that he does nothing??? The white house staffers have publicly stated he works 20 hours a day. Somehow I would think they know more than say, you!!! Where is your proof that he is not? Do you read his daily calendar??
Where do you get that DJT is antagonist to our allies. I dont see that and I do not think that the US has switched alliances.

Maxine Watters is an absolute maniac. She is urging people to physically gang up on and beat up on any one who who is not a liberal and I heard that with my own ears. Now, if that is not inciting riots, I dont know what is.
She needs to be arrested, jailed and removed from office..... NOW!!!!

MM, if you have proof of all the things you state, please be kind enough to share it, so we can all see. Please keep in mind that DJT was and is a very very rich man and did not need to take on the Presidency to make more money.  And, once again, he gives his salary to different charities. So, technically I suppose he doesnt work for free because he has more than enough money already. He did not HAvE to run for President, he did it to save this country.

[Rerun]

Read Killing the Deep State by Jerome R. Corsi Ph.D.   Either you will be enlightened or think it is all Rubbish. 

I don't care if you read every newspaper or magazine everyday.  You can't prove anything.  It is what we are mentally fed.  Unless you were there.... you really don't know.  What we see on video on TV is proven to be heavily edited.   One channel will have hundreds of protesters with signs chanting the next channel will have the same people throwing fire bottles into businesses and overturning police cars.  It is pick and choose.  Then one will finally get called out on misreporting and we move on to the next day.

So, you can be widely speculative, or jump in and pick your tribe.  I keep hearing Americans have become "Tribal".  I can see this. 

I listen to the Radio, and watch the news.... all stations.  I listen to books. 

Back to this Russia thing.....?  Let's be done already.

[Bill Peckham]

Well well.....

First, Bill I think it was 2009. Surely you can remember that far back?? LOL, jk. I dont know that it was a conference, it could have been one of the meetings Lori was working on at the time.

I am constantly surprised by what I have forgotten. It is getting worse and worse.

Well, MM, DJT is working for free. He said so and Sarah said so, that is enough for me. Where is the proof that he does nothing??? The white house staffers have publicly stated he works 20 hours a day. Somehow I would think they know more than say, you!!! Where is your proof that he is not? Do you read his daily calendar??
Where do you get that DJT is antagonist to our allies. I dont see that and I do not think that the US has switched alliances.

Is tweeting, talking on the phone and watching cable news working?

Maxine Watters is an absolute maniac. She is urging people to physically gang up on and beat up on any one who who is not a liberal and I heard that with my own ears. Now, if that is not inciting riots, I dont know what is.
She needs to be arrested, jailed and removed from office..... NOW!!!!

I did not know inciting people to not inviting Alan Dershowitz to a dinner party is a crime worthy of arrest. I've seen Waters call for harassment of Cabinet officials for them to be called out and "pushed back on", shunned by polite society, etc. Where is this quote you saw? Please share a link.

At this point pointing to statements from this administration as evidence requires a level of credulity I do not possess. One wishes Trump's schedule was shared with the same detail as previous presidents ... make public as well visitor logs and phone calls/conversations with foreign leaders, tax returns ... it's a long list but generally return to previous standards of transparency.

[Bill Peckham]

Read Killing the Deep State by Jerome R. Corsi Ph.D.   Either you will be enlightened or think it is all Rubbish. 


I don't care if you read every newspaper or magazine everyday.  You can't prove anything.  It is what we are mentally fed.  Unless you were there.... you really don't know.  What we see on video on TV is proven to be heavily edited.   One channel will have hundreds of protesters with signs chanting the next channel will have the same people throwing fire bottles into businesses and overturning police cars.  It is pick and choose.  Then one will finally get called out on misreporting and we move on to the next day.


So, you can be widely speculative, or jump in and pick your tribe.  I keep hearing Americans have become "Tribal".  I can see this. 


I listen to the Radio, and watch the news.... all stations.  I listen to books. 


Back to this Russia thing.....?  Let's be done already.

Come on Infowars is a source now?  I thought liberals were suppose to start the revolution on the 4th? What happened to that? Infowars is a silly place that is not meant to be taken seriously.


Just read Trump's twitter feed, interviews and rally speeches - he can't get through a speech or interview without lying (as in he knows what he is saying is untrue or wildly inaccurate (he continually repeats false information after being corrected - that is, by definition, lying)) about his own policies and/or our lived history. Go to the most recent speech in MT He falsely claimed to be the first Republican presidential candidate to win Wisconsin, he's been corrected before; it would not be possible to have deported "1,000s"of MS-13 members there aren't that many here to begin with; we are not building the wall right now; most democrats support military spending; wages have been rising for years; his tax cuts were not the biggest in history (not even top 10 - SAD!); as of today no one has signed up for association healthcare plans; nearly all Keystone XL jobs are temporary; our trade deficit with China is 336 billion; our federal deficit is higher than ever (nominally) and growing.

[Jean]

If i can find Maxine's screaming fit, I will post it. Had I thought you did not see it, I would have posted it then.

[Rerun]

Bill Wrote:  I thought liberals were suppose to start the revolution on the 4th? What happened to that?

I have not a clue....  What did happen to that?

What are... Infowars?   Did I post something about Infowars?  Is it a cable show?  Let me know and I will watch it.

[MooseMom]

Never mind.  I'm tired.  Post deleted.

[MooseMom]

Rerun,

https://www.infowars.com/

[Simon Dog]

Bill Wrote:  I thought liberals were suppose to start the revolution on the 4th? What happened to that?

Go time came and went, but nobody showed up.

[Rerun]

MM -  Thank you! 

   

[MooseMom]

Where do you get that DJT is antagonist to our allies. I dont see that and I do not think that the US has switched alliances.

This explains it pretty well.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/opinions/trump-undermines-nato-boosts-putin-dantonio/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/10/europeans-brace-for-worst-from-trump-at-stormy-nato-summit

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/08/nato-atlantic-alliance-survive-trump-analysis

Trump will be at the NATO summit, and we will just have to see if it becomes as shambolic as his meeting with the G-7.  Keep an eye on it, and see what you think.  Pay attention to the reaction of our allies and see if you think they are antagonized.  What will be really interesting is the fact that Trump will be meeting with Putin just days later. 

Remember that it was Paul Manafort that fought to change the RNC platform to remove the language antagonistic to Russia regarding their invasion of Ukraine.  And now Manafort is in jail.

[Jean]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html
Here the sweetie is, in all her screaming glory.

[MooseMom]

We should ALL be that angry over this policy of taking babies away from their parents and putting them in baby jails.  No one connected to this racist and inhumane AND un-Christian policy should be able to show their faces in public.  Americans are right in calling for confrontation of these policy witches.  It's a disgrace, and if these politicians are so damn proud of themselves, they have nothing to fear.

This is nothing compared to your usual Trump rally.  (I'd post some videos, but my video player is temporarily defunct.!)

[MooseMom]

Here we go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9YPYRaeTW0

Americans in all of their screaming glory! 

[Jean]

 I am not saying the people who behave like that are right. Altho, as long as they only jack their jaws, who cares. Maxine on the other hand exactly wants the Dems to attack any one they even THINK might be a Republican. No matter how you twist words, you can not make this out to anything but what it was. A call for violence. Any one who has a republican symbol or anything like that are now fair game.

[willowtreewren]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html
Here the sweetie is, in all her screaming glory.

Calling what Waters was doing in this video clip reminds me of the children who went home and told their parents that I "yelled" at them. I have never yelled at a student, but I have been stern and serious. Waters is no more screaming than I yelled at students.

Is she speaking forcefully into a microphone in an outdoor venue? Yes. Have you ever been in that kind of venue where you had to make yourself heard even with amplification? I have. In performing outside weddings, I always advised the couple that in order for the audience to hear me, I would need to sound very loud to them. Speaking to large groups can be quite tricky.

Have you ever noticed how candidates on the campaign trail often lose their voices toward the end of the campaign? It comes from having to project one's voice frequently when speaking in public and especially outside.

Screaming is a very different action. At no time during this video clip did Waters scream.

That you called it screaming says more about you than it does about her.

[Jean]

How divinely sweet you are WTW. There goes the chance of any one having a good time with this thread. Liberals always turn nasty when they know they are wrong. Thanks for proving it.
Oh and BTW, yes I have had all of those wonderful opportunities you are talking about and oddly enough we have a sound system here that will blow your socks off at a very low sound, so we have to be careful how loud we speak. Maybe the volume could be turned off or the speaker should learn how to hold a mic. At any rate, the woman is screamingand you know it.

[Michael Murphy]

This is just another example of a republican double standard, it’s okay not to serve some one who is gay but it is a outrage to deny service to a republican.  The Presidunce can insult and demean reporters or opponents by name or handicap but the Republicans become annoyed when it’s done to them.  The lack of civility is a reaction to the last 10 years of non civility from the right.

[Jean]

 this has NOTHING to do with the Presidunce as you like to call him and Everything to do with Maxine the witch!!! The Liberals would like us all to believe they are white as snow and the only guilty person on the planet is Trump and his supporters. Now that IMHO is dumb!! Not you Michael, just your attitude.

[Michael Murphy]

My attitude about the Presidunce based on his history I was dating a girl whose father owned a small company.  He unfortunately became involved in a trump project the Taj Mahal after several missed payments he decided to stop work on the project, trump called and said he personally would guarentee the payments her father trusted trump went back to work finished the job trump went bankrupt and refused to honor his personal word and the father went bankrupt, lost company and his house.  Crooked Hilary I think not low life scum sucking trump, that I believe.

[Rerun]

Liberals are the party of Tolerance and Diversity.    Only when things are going their way.

Go Figure.

[Simon Dog]

He unfortunately became involved in a trump project the Taj Mahal after several missed payments he decided to stop work on the project, trump called and said he personally would guarentee the payments her father trusted trump went back to work finished the job

Trump is also famous for preceding the final payment on the job with "We will reduce the total price of the job by 20%.  If you sign to agree, we will pay immediately, otherwise, we will pay only when ordered to do so by a court and then only if the holding company for this job is not bankrupt."

And then there is the entire so-called "Trump University".