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« on: December 16, 2016, 10:17:47 AM »
Well, we might as well have a bit of fun with this, right?   :thumbup;

I predict that since the CIA and all other US security agencies now agree that Putin had his slimy fingers in our election to help Trump, Trump will return the favor by dropping sanctions so that Putin and his pals can get rich again.

I predict that since the outgoing Secretary of Energy Moniz is a nuclear physicist and helped broker the Iran deal, incoming Energy Secretary (giggle) Rick Perry  :rofl;, will do something stupid, forgetting that Iran and the US are not the only signatories to the deal.

Anyone else want to make any predictions?

Oh, I also predict that John Bolton won't be confirmed for any position.  He's just too weird and crazy.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 10:51:59 AM »
I predict that we are all royally screwed and that the inmates will now be officially running the mental hospital that is the Trump administration.  Bye bye democracy.  Bye bye republic.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 10:58:13 AM »
With his inability to follow a sane foreign policy Trump is setting the stage forKim the eel head of North Korea ito invade the South.  He is going to get a lot of American and Korean kids killed. Plus if you thought Iraq was expensive wait until the bill comes in for a Korean War II.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 12:21:48 PM »
He's just itching to deploy all his new shiny military toys.  He's going to get a lot of people killed--either quickly in war, or slowly by withdrawing the safety net or destroying the environment.   My own personal will to live has never been weaker.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 12:34:27 PM »
You guys are so negative.  Let's be positive and give the guy a chance.  What happened to "the voters, the Electoral Voters win so quit whining"??

Let's have HOPE. 

 :flower;

Whomever did hack the DNC, all they did was uncover what was being done and said that was corrupt.... Burnie Sanders should be pissed off.  He probably would have won if not for Hillary's deceit.  I'm glad it was uncovered.  Saved us from Hillary.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 12:45:23 PM »
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Let's be positive and give the guy a chance.

And have you been paying attention to his cabinet picks? Really?

Okay, in the spirit of MM's original post....

I predict.... Public schools will go the way of the dinosaur and only the rich will be able to get an education for their children.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 01:33:35 PM »
Access to health care ONLY if you're very rich.  Otherwise, just  die quickly.   That's the GOP way.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2016, 01:41:22 PM »
Within our own borders, I predict only wealthy white men will live with the freedoms we have now. Women will be subjugated. The poor will be even more poor. Non-white people will have to constantly watch their backs for hate crime attacks, which will no longer be called hate crimes. A "Christian" version of sharia law will begin to form.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2016, 02:00:09 PM »
Quote from: MooseMom on December 16, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
Well, we might as well have a bit of fun with this, right?   :thumbup;

I predict that since the CIA and all other US security agencies now agree that Putin had his slimy fingers in our election to help Trump, Trump will return the favor by dropping sanctions so that Putin and his pals can get rich again.

I predict that since the outgoing Secretary of Energy Moniz is a nuclear physicist and helped broker the Iran deal, incoming Energy Secretary (giggle) Rick Perry  :rofl;, will do something stupid, forgetting that Iran and the US are not the only signatories to the deal.

Anyone else want to make any predictions?

Oh, I also predict that John Bolton won't be confirmed for any position.  He's just too weird and crazy.

... I have heard (is it rumour or is it actual fact?) about the CIA and other US security agencies agreeing (?) that Mr. Putin somehow assisted Mr. Donald Trump to get elected (?)
... But ...  how could something like that be possible and what could be a possible motive? ... And ... was it not the American people who voted for Mr. Donald Trump as their President?
Many thanks for the answer from Kristina. :grouphug;
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2016, 03:11:19 PM »
Yes, Kristina, it is an actual fact.

I should make it clear that there is no evidence of any hacking into any election/voting machines.

However, US security agencies have known for some time now that Russians have been hacking into the systems of both the Democrats and the GOP, but it was Putin who decided which hacked information would be leaked.  So, during the final weeks of the election, a lot of attention in this country was focused on the hacked emails of John Podesta, Clinton's campaign manager, which didn't contain any kind of important information, but that was hardly the point.  I could post a whole shedload of links to prove this, but google "John Podesta's emails", and you will be able to see for yourself.  You will notice that no information hacked from the GOP was leaked.

Nothing happens in Russia without Putin's knowledge, and this certainly is the case when it comes to cyberterrorism.

As for motive, well, there are two.  One is that Putin hates Hillary Clinton for statements that she made about the undemocratic nature of Russian elections while she was Sec. of State (yeah, like she's wrong) and this is his way of exacting revenge.  The other is that Putin wants Trump as president.  Why?  Well, we should all be able to see Trump's tax returns to get that whole picture, but Trump refuses to release them.  But we all know that there are close business ties between these two men.  Putin and his rich friends are affected by sanctions placed upon their assets because of Putin's actions in the Ukraine, so who better to have as President to convince to lift those pesky sanctions?

Did you see the photo of Putin and his friends toasting Trump's victory?

Yes, it was the American people who voted for Trump, but who do you think planted all of those stories about her having Parkinson's and hacked into the DNC's emails?  People will believe any old crap these days.

This may help explain it better than I can.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/16/qa-russian-hackers-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-us-presidential-election

The bottom line is that the leader of a foreign and hostile nation meddled in a US election in the attempt to get one candidate of his choice elected.  He's going after Angela Merkel next.

Edited to add:  Kristina, as per the Constitution, it is technically the Electoral College that officially elects the President.  A goodly number of them are now requesting intelligence briefings before they cast their vote on Monday.  They have been denied this information, so I don't know how many who are pledged to Trump will become "faithless" electoral voters (in which they vote against the will of the people of the state they represent).  The electoral voters are not legally bound to vote as per their state.  No one really believes the outcome of the election will be changed, but then again, no one thought Trump would be President, and no one thought that Brexit would become reality!  That's all part of this incredible situation!!!
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2016, 03:30:39 PM »
Many thanks MooseMom for these comprehensive (and quite shocking) facts and explanations ...
... as you can imagine, I have to sit down now and think about it for a while and try to make sense of it all...
... and ... it just goes to show that people are just amazing and everything and anything seems to be possible in this world...
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2016, 06:15:33 AM »
Well, might it just all have to do with oil and money?
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2016, 07:36:15 AM »
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The bottom line is that the leader of a foreign and hostile nation meddled in a US election in the attempt to get one candidate of his choice elected.  H
It's not like the US ever did this with any foreign elections  :rant;
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2016, 08:39:13 AM »
Quote from: cassandra on December 18, 2016, 06:15:33 AM
Well, might it just all have to do with oil and money?
... that is exactly what I was just wondering, especially since noticing some $$$$-people around Mr. Trump as his political advisors...
... made me also wonder whether these "hacking-accusations" and so-called "Putin-involvement-accusations" etc. were nothing but "red herrings" to distract from the real issues ...  ?
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2016, 09:01:29 AM »
Kristina, the idea of Russian involvement and influence in an American Presidential election IS a real issue!

The evidence is there.  We all know it.  Even Senator Mitch McConnell, the Majority Leader of the Senate, has known about it since the autumn.
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2016, 09:03:01 AM »
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The bottom line is that the leader of a foreign and hostile nation meddled in a US election in the attempt to get one candidate of his choice elected.  H
It's not like the US ever did this with any foreign elections  :rant;

So what?
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2016, 10:02:47 AM »
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Kristina, the idea of Russian involvement and influence in an American Presidential election IS a real issue!

The evidence is there.  We all know it.  Even Senator Mitch McConnell, the Majority Leader of the Senate, has known about it since the autumn.

But what could be the purpose of any Russian involvement? Isn't Mr. Putin mainly interested in Mr. Putin ... ?
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2016, 10:59:52 AM »
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But what could be the purpose of any Russian involvement?

This, for starters:
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“Trump advocates isolationist policies and an abdication of U.S. leadership in the world. He cares little about promoting democracy and human rights. A U.S. retreat from global affairs fits precisely with Putin’s international interests.”
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"it is sweet revenge for the Kremlin to be cast once again as global puppet master. And most fundamentally, the Kremlin’s support for Trump is part of a longstanding strategy to sow disruption and discord in the West. Whether it’s by backing French ultra-nationalists, Catalan separatists or the Brexit campaign, or boosting Donald Trump’s chances by blackening the Democrats, the Kremlin believes Russia benefits every time the Western establishment is embarrassed."
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/09/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-493946.html

This article spells it out quite clearly https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/20/new-special-relationship-what-does-putin-want-from-trump-kgb
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2016, 11:03:08 AM »
Plus, Trump is known for rewarding loyalty.   He will no doubt feel indebted to Putin and feel the need to return the favor.
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2016, 03:14:14 PM »
Quote from: Simon Dog on December 18, 2016, 11:03:08 AM
Plus, Trump is known for rewarding loyalty.   He will no doubt feel indebted to Putin and feel the need to return the favor.

You are probably right, and I predict that lifting sanctions will be one way he returns that favor.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/exxon-mobile-russia-sanctions-rex-tillerson-232770

Hence the Rex Tillerson pick.

But to be fair, I don't know Mr. Tillerson personally.  He may be exactly the person to "handle" Putin.  The question that the Senate will have to have answered is whether Mr. Tillerson will put the interests of the USA before the desire for personal profit and power.  This article made me feel a little bit better about this pick.  Well just have to see.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/12/private-emperor-public-envoy
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2016, 06:36:09 PM »
I predict Trump won't make it through the 1st year!  Pence will take over.
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2016, 08:05:35 AM »
... I very much hope that people suffering from chronic diseases i.e. ESRF/dialysis/cancer etc. are continued to be given a chance to receive proper healthcare under the presidency of Mr. Donald Trump, even if these patients have become very poor due to their long-term chronic disease and therefore are in urgent need of some $$$-medical and $$$-social assistance...
What I really mean to say, is, I do hope that Mr. Trump's presidency does not stop the Healthcare-Reform set-up by Mr.Obama ... :grouphug;
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2016, 11:37:07 AM »
I predict he will take one HUGE Vacation and let tons of drug dealers out of jail and Let thousands of refugees in America.

Oh, wait, that is Obama!     :secret; 
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2016, 12:08:15 PM »
How do you keep coming up with such unrepentant BS?  You are a bottomless font of fake news.
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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2016, 01:46:49 PM »
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How do you keep coming up with such unrepentant BS?  You are a bottomless font of fake news.

LOL!
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