War on Cops

[Rerun]

I'm going to start speeding and driving crazy to see if I get pulled over  OR  ignored because I'm white with red hair and freckles.

Hummm   

[Zach]

Here is an interesting speech by Republican Senator Tim Scott on his experiences with law enforcement officers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmMQimrT8qk

This is the 2nd of 3 speeches he gave on the topic of law enforcement.

His first speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx6rUw7t_O0

His third speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fikab1wCMvo

Edited: listing of speeches.

Regards,
--Zach

[Charlie B53]

You going to sway the Cops attitude with your Feminine 'Charms'?

What if it's a Lady Cop?

[Simon Dog]

I don't think anyone ignores any transgressions of these two candidates!  How is that even possible unless you are living under a rock?  Leaders of both of these parties are only all too cognizant of the baggage these two bring to the table.

People don't care about transgressions of candidates - they care about getting what they want.

Those who want a pro-FSA (Free Stuff Army); pro amnesty; anti-NRA government will support Clinton no matter how many times she lies, dodges indictment because of her connections; etc.

Those who want to stem the flow of proto-Democrats moving over the southern border; want a NRA member (not sure if he is a member, but Trump used his connections to get the almost impossible NYC carry permit); and don't want more of their assets transferred to the welfare crowd will vote Trump - no matter how many people he screwed over in borderline business deals or what he did to people using timeshare closing techniques to sell seats in his so-called "university".

It's about self interest; not dolling out justice by giving one of the most powerful positions in the world to someone based on their ethical purity.

You going to sway the Cops attitude with your Feminine 'Charms'?

What if it's a Lady Cop?

Think diversity.

[MooseMom]

Rerun, you would probably get pulled over, but because you are white and freckly, you probably would not get shot.

Simon Dog, by the FSA, no doubt you mean all of those red state voters who rely on federal benefits, right?

[Simon Dog]

Simon Dog, by the FSA, no doubt you mean all of those red state voters who rely on federal benefits, right?

My definition is people who use EBT which are generally not benefits they have paid for.   I don't count people who are using benefits they paid for (social security, medicare, disability, etc),   Similarly I do not count people as FSA  members because they drive on public roads or visit parks.  FSA members frequently collect EBT money from the time they are infants until they start breeding and beyond.

[kickingandscreaming]

FSA members frequently collect EBT money from the time they are infants until they start breeding and beyond.

Would you rather they starve? Or take to crime so as not to starve?  If you were to fall on hard times (and it could happen to anyone) would you be happy to starve or would you become an EBT card-carrying  member of the "FSA?"

[iolaire]

FSA members frequently collect EBT money from the time they are infants until they start breeding and beyond.

Would you rather they starve? Or take to crime so as not to starve?  If you were to fall on hard times (and it could happen to anyone) would you be happy to starve or would you become an EBT card-carrying  member of the "FSA?"

My family collected "benefits" when I was a child. I'm thankful for by 40 bags health food (my parents choice) of rice, beans, powdered milk, oats, molasses and treats such as honey or nuts we were able to order for shipment to rule Alaska and pay for via food stamps.

I'm also thankful that I've had the opportunity to re-pay those "benefits" many times over via my federal taxes. 

I travel a good bit and I'd much rather use my tax money to help the others than have them savaging in the street or selling their kidneys in order to survive.  I'm happy I don't need to employ a guard to keep my home and car safe (that safety is part of my bundled payment of taxes).  I don't see small children scurrying around the streets trying to beg or sell something so they can eat.  I don't see beggars with grotesque side effects of the lack of healthcare.

[Simon Dog]

FSA members frequently collect EBT money from the time they are infants until they start breeding and beyond.

Would you rather they starve? Or take to crime so as not to starve?  If you were to fall on hard times (and it could happen to anyone) would you be happy to starve or would you become an EBT card-carrying  member of the "FSA?"

Part of my definition (which I admit is not the right one) is FSA member is someone who never participates as a taxpayer in a meaningful way.  I pay tens of thousands a year in taxes, and when I sold stock to buy my house, I had to write a check to the IRS for a bit over $100K.   So no, I don't consider my self a freeloader, and I can never enter the realm of someone who never worked or paid taxes.  In fact, I pay an "income penalty" on the Medicare rate because my wife and I make enough to be punished.   As to dialysis - I am in the same category as someone who pays fire insurance for years and collects when his house burns down.

I would like to see mandatory work for EBT recipients.  As it stands now, the differential between EBT payments and minimum wage is so small that it makes no sense to work.  And yes, I would let someone who refuses to work (except who has an objectively verifiable medical condition preventing it) starve.

And, I would terminate Obamaphones (or whatever they are called) immediately.

[kickingandscreaming]

And yes, I would let someone who refuses to work (except who has an objectively verifiable medical condition preventing it) starve.n.

How about the "objectively verifiable...condition" known as no jobs available, or lack of transportation or automation, or jobs outsourced to wherever, or lack of education, or lack of connections, or being too hungry to stay awake?

Be thankful that you earn enough to have to pay lots of taxes and have had the advantages that have made that possible.

[Simon Dog]

How about the "objectively verifiable...condition" known as no jobs available, or lack of transportation or automation, or jobs outsourced to wherever, or lack of education, or lack of connections, or being too hungry to stay awake?

If no jobs are available, the govt can probably come up with something - even if it is picking up trash on the side of the road - in return for the EBT check.

[cassandra]

As a person having lived in a country where 'mandatory work for EBT recipients is a reality, I can tell you that it's a dumb idea. It takes away paid jobs, and makes them into 'work for your benefits' jobs. Meaning free labour for employers, councils etc.
So more unemployment and a hell of a lot more unhappy people whom are not employers or just 'not thinking things through' people.

[MooseMom]

How about the "objectively verifiable...condition" known as no jobs available, or lack of transportation or automation, or jobs outsourced to wherever, or lack of education, or lack of connections, or being too hungry to stay awake?

If no jobs are available, the govt can probably come up with something - even if it is picking up trash on the side of the road - in return for the EBT check.

"The government can come up with something..."  Well, you see, that's the problem.  Congress doesn't want to spend money on work programs that would employ people so that maybe we can have decent roads and infrastructure.  No, our current Congress would rather spend money on providing tax cuts for those who don't need them.  All of the money spent on the Bengazi hearings could have gone to build a new school somewhere or could have been spent in some other meaningful way that would produce a concrete result (pun intended).

Another IHD thread that has veered off topic!   

[Simon Dog]

"The government can come up with something..."  Well, you see, that's the problem.  Congress doesn't want to spend money on work programs that would employ people so that maybe we can have decent roads and infrastructure.

The WPA is an example of what I was thinking about.  But, if the govt tried it now, all the unions would be demanding that those jobs be filled with skilled laborers at union wages, even if they were just holding a sign.  In MA, it is illegal to pay less than union wages on a public works project ("prevailing wage" law), and a road work crew can be arrested (seriously) if it does not hire a police detail, about $50/hour, 4 hour minimum, to supervise.

[Charlie B53]

I don't know about now, but while in the Army in Germany in the early 70's they had very little 'unemployment'.   The German Government assigned people to work.  They learned a trade, and they earned their benefits.    Employers may have had the benefit of Government subsidized labor, but it wasn't free.    An the person learned a trade.  And often stayed with that employer long after the period of conscriptment.


I joined the Army while in High School on the delayed entry  so I could graduate.   I had a part time job in the fruit warehouses, but no way did I want to stay there a lifetime.   Military has many advantages for anyone wanting to learn a skill besides using a weapon.   Every branch has all the maint, supply, logistics, computers, fliglht schools for pilots of fixed wing and rotary, as well as all the ground support and mechanics for all types of craft.   Navy, Air Force, you name it, it is available for anyone that wants to put forth some effort.   And have meals, lodging and get paid during your term of enlistment.   Not a bad deal for anyone serious about improving their future.

Why more young people refuse to take advantage of it I'll never understand.

If afraid of going to war, join the Air Forsce.  Most of them are in very secure locations, most within the U.S.A.

[Simon Dog]

If afraid of going to war, join the Air Forsce.  Most of them are in very secure locations, most within the U.S.A.

This is why that branch of the service is also referred to as the "Chair Force" 

[Charlie B53]

I joined the Army.

Dad and two Brothers in the Navy.

A Brother in the Air Force.  Another in the Marines spent almost two full years in the DMZ in 70 and 71.  To this day if fireworks start popping off without him knowing about it he starts digging a hole with his fingernails.

9 y.o. Grandson plays those stupid games and has an infatuation with guns of all kinds.  I spin.  He wants to grow up and join the Army.  I get all bent and tell him B.S.  If he joins anything he should join the Air Force.   They have beer machines in the barracks alongside the soda machines.   Or at least they did when I visited Brother on the Air base.  We wer both in Germany at the same time stationed about 7 miles apart.  Life was good.

[Charlie B53]

Qwap!   More Cops ambushed and killed in Baton Rouge, LA.    When are these people going to realize this is NOT the way to promote good change?

This will bring about some changes, none of which 'these' people will like.   Cops walking on eggshells ready to defend themselves is NOT how they should be.   Far more are likely to get shot at the least provocation as paranoid Cops won't be likely to take much time to fully assess what may appear to be dangerous.

And I can't blame them a bit.   I for one am glad I am not a Cop.   I would want a lot more weapon than the hand gun they are issued.   And I wouldn't want the M-16 I had in the Army either.  It's way too light.  There is a Company machining and making a 300 Win Mag that looks and handles much like that old M-16.  Not fully auto of course.  But with a round that size, weight, and speed it only takes one to knock anyone clear off their feet.   And they won't be getting back up.   If I ever have to shoot someone I do not want a minor flesh wound.  I want to put them DOWN and KNOW that he will NOT be getting back up.  Not when peoples lives are at stake.

If anyone is firing on Cops or innocent civilians, they immediately gave up any and all rights to continue breathing.

[Michael Murphy]

New York City PD has announced that all foot patrols will be two cops.

[PrimeTimer]

New Orleans PD has announced that police officers can no longer answer calls alone, must be 2 cops. They also reminded the public that since they are already short-staffed, there may be delays.

[Simon Dog]

And I wouldn't want the M-16 I had in the Army either.  It's way too light.  There is a Company machining and making a 300 Win Mag that looks and handles much like that old M-16.

The age-old debate: lightweight vs. heavier and harder hitting.   

Why not just go with the 300 blackout so you can use the same M16/AR15 platform, just a new barrel/bolt carrier group and mag (and possibly a tuned recoil spring and buffer)

[Charlie B53]

You've already seen it?   The Blackout is  a very nice piece.  Heavy enough but nowhere near as heavy as a 50, which is way overkill.

Things keep getting stupid in the cities and it wouldn't surprise me to find a few Officers trained and placed in strategic high places always on alert to provide and overlook during some functions.     Sort of like the SS already does for some Government Officials.

As I am no threat, it wouldn't bother me.

I would hope they do use a frag/ceramic round so to prevent any pass-through shots or ricochets, either which could cause an innocent harm.

[Simon Dog]

You've already seen it?   The Blackout is  a very nice piece.  Heavy enough but nowhere near as heavy as a 50, which is way overkill.

I have not seen the 300 Blackout.   Not being a high speed low drag type, I don't really worry about the finer points of ballistics.  I think us dialysis types would be characterized as low speed high drag.

And yes, the 50 is overkill, but it's a blast shooting mine (BFG 50A from Serbu).  I guess that makes me a Republican.

[MooseMom]

As I am no threat, it wouldn't bother me.

But would a police officer necessarily know that you are no threat?

[Simon Dog]

But would a police officer necessarily know that you are no threat?

The military doctrine comes to mind:

1. Be courteous to all; friendly to none
2. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet