Planned Parenthood?

[Rerun]

As a country, we have refused to spend money on education, food programs .....

WOW I would hate to see this country if this were true.  You need to go volunteer in the schools MM.

[Simon Dog]

As a country, we have refused to spend money on education, food programs .....

WOW I would hate to see this country if this were true.  You need to go volunteer in the schools MM.

What is really being talked about here is "transfer payments" from the makers to the takers.    There is all the education you want if you are qualified and can afford it.   Ditto for food.

When someone says "we refuse to spend money on ..." I hear "I want the govt to take more of your stuff and give it to someone who did not earn it".

or any other sort of policies that may help to financially support families

I hear "or any other sort of policies that will take money from the earners and give it to families that birthed babies without a financial plan to support them in place".

Yes, I know D is govt supported - but I spent a lifetime paying a medicare tax so I figure I paid an insurance premium for the benefits I am not receiving.  In fact, I am doubly punished - I continue to pay this tax because I choose to work instead of collect disability, and I pay an medicare surcharge since I earn above the maximum unpenalized earning limit.   I guess the govt is telling I really should attach to the public nipple and go on disability.

[Rerun]

I hate being on Disability.  That is why I volunteer my ass off to try and repay my debt to society.

The schools are free to attend... 12 years of it.  When you get there you are served breakfast, lunch and a sack dinner if you want it.  The parks have lunch in the summer.  If you are really hungry go pick apples and get paid!

That is way off topic.  Again, we will see what happens to either PP or to the film takers.

[PrimeTimer]

It's in the news: Since they are being investigated, Planned Parenthood has announced changes to their policy and will no longer be paid for fetal tissue.

[Angiepkd]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  Thank you for sharing your story, Aleta.  I hope that one day our country can unite and stop all of the partisan bs.   

[Rerun]

It's in the news: Since they are being investigated, Planned Parenthood has announced changes to their policy and will no longer be paid for fetal tissue.

But the deed is done. You can't say "I won't start any forests on fire anymore."  You have already burned 4 million acres.

[kickingandscreaming]

It is a little known fact that:

By law, women getting abortions can voluntarily donate the tissue from that procedure to medical research, and by law the abortion provider can request nominal reimbursement $30 to $100 in most cases -- for saving, packing and shipping the tissue to a research firm.

The details of the process are enough to trouble anyone: non-medical people don't talk about the price of requesting, removing and shipping organs and pieces of flesh from place to place. Most of us would freak out if we listened to professionals in the local hospital, funeral home or medical examiner's office discuss details of how a dying person's request to have their body parts donated for transplants or scientific research actually gets carried out.

It turns out that cadavers, livers, kidneys, eyes and other organs don't walk themselves over to the local hospital or medical school for free.

For that matter, I'd urge anybody who has purchased an insurance policy that covers accidental death and dismemberment to peruse the fine print, which places dollar amounts indicating varying degrees of financial recovery for losing combinations of thumbs, fingers, eyes, legs and limbs.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/opinions/louis-planned-parenthood/

Those of us who are hopeful one day of receiving a cadaveric kidney transplant should be extra grateful that organs and tissue are indeed processed and available.  Abortions are legal and they are a fact of life--until proven otherwise.

This "sting" video against Planned Parenthood is a deceptive video from a right wing anti-abortion group.  One look at the unedited version and the transcripts of the video--released by the group, Center for Medical Progress, reveals the distortions for anyone to see who doesn't have a fixed a priori (politically or religiously motivated) opinion on the matter.

the full, unedited footage and transcript released by the group undermines their sensationalist claims, showing at least three crucial edits that reveal the Planned Parenthood official was instead discussing the reimbursement cost for consensual, legal tissue donations.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419

You can read about the film's deceptions in the link. http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419

I am pro-choice.  In 1964 at the age of 23 (when abortions were illegal) I became pregnant (in spite of using several forms of birth control).  I was in graduate school at the time and was unmarried.  There is NO way that I could have or should have borne that child.  I lived in California at the time and traveled to Tijuana, Mexico to have an abortion.  I asked the first taxi driver I saw to take me to a abortion clinic.  The abortion was not well performed and several days later I was hemoraging and my pulse was racing at a frightening high rate.  I had to go to the ER and  could easily have died.  This is what happens when abortion is illegal.  Women who are in no position to give birth and properly take care of that child are forced to go the "coat hanger route."  I went to a clinic which was several steps above the neighborhood abortionist of the time.  Like Aleta, I went on to do some very useful things with my life-- as a clinical psychologist and as an author of several books that have been very helpful to many people.  Lord only knows what course my life might have taken it I had borne that child and had to give up all my hopes and dreams and the life of service I have led.

[Michael Murphy]

The unpleasant fact that most anti abortion groups ignore is a majority of the people support it.  These are folks who just want abortion to end and are willing to use any means necessary to achieve there goals.  What they haven't done is try to change public opinion.  Oh wait they have by creating phony videos, shooting doctors, and clinics, bombing, the more I go on they seem to be just like terrorists.  This is America if you don't have a majority of people on your side you won't get it done.  Abortion is a personal choice, it's the women's choice.  The one thing not tried is to fund other choices,  the burden of raising a child could be eased with support.  Nope, they want you to have them and the burden is yours. 

[Simon Dog]

I lived in California at the time and traveled to Tijuana, Mexico to have an abortion

Your courage posting this is impressive.

[Simon Dog]

The schools are free to attend... 12 years of it.  When you get there you are served breakfast, lunch and a sack dinner if you want it. 

Only if the government decides you are someone who should be the recipient of largess taken from others by force.   If you are a middle class, suburban, non-minority, kid, you will pay if you want a lunch at school.

[kickingandscreaming]

Only if the government decides you are someone who should be the recipient of largess taken from others by force.

By force? Really?

What you're calling "largess" is derived from taxes-- the price we pay to live in a civilized country (even tho it's not looking very civilized these days).  But it's not uncivilized because of "largess."  It's because of greed and selfishness, xenophobia and a lack of empathy and a national philosophy based on social darwinism. I'm not a bible thumper, but are we still "my brother's keeper?"

[Rerun]

I'm offended by "bible thumper"   Why don't you say Quran Thumper?

or Mohammad Dammit?  Instead of GD?

Anyway until someone ends up in jail for this PP deal I will not be convinced that it never happens.

[MooseMom]

Anyway until someone ends up in jail for this PP deal I will not be convinced that it never happens.

So be it. 

[Michael Murphy]

As a person receiving Social Security Disability I object to the statement that I am living on the largess of the government. I was gainfully employed for 45 years. Paying SSA taxes every one of  those years.  One of the benefits I was promised was disability insurance.  Now that I am disabled I expect that the government that taxed me for 45 years provide the coverage they promised.  In addition one of the reasons the disability fund is short money is that the last time they fixed Social Security most of the Disability Surpluus was moved to the general fund.  During the last Bush economic downturn more people applied for disability then what was expected.  If nothing is done people like me who paid for a benefit for 45 years will get a 20 to 30 percent cut in benefits.

[MooseMom]

And so it begins...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/planned-parenthood-lawsuit-videos-center-medical-progress_5697ead3e4b0b4eb759d9a61

[willowtreewren]

It's about time.

[PatDowns]

And so it begins...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/planned-parenthood-lawsuit-videos-center-medical-progress_5697ead3e4b0b4eb759d9a61

Good. Now Planned Parenthood will be subjected to legal discovery as well and we'll see how this turns out.

[MooseMom]

Exactly, PatDowns!  PP have been investigated in regard to these claims by every red state Governor, and each one has said they've found no evidence they they were "selling baby parts".  So now this "Center for Medical Progress" is going to be subjected to legal discovery as well.  PP must be feeling pretty safe if they are willing to bring a federal lawsuit.

Secretly recording people is illegal in the state where I live, and I have to wonder if this is the case in other states where these recordings took place.

[kickingandscreaming]

Investigation Into Planned Parenthood Leads To Indictment Of Anti-Abortion Activists:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/investigation-into-planned-parenthood-leads-to-indictment-of-anti-abortion-activists_us_56a69c92e4b0b87beec5cf61

AUSTIN, Texas, Jan 25 (Reuters) - A Texas grand jury has indicted two anti-abortion activists in a case involving covert videos on fetal tissue procurement talks with Planned Parenthood and found there was no wrongdoing on the part of the health group, a district attorney said on Monday.

The grand jury decision was a result of a probe launched last year under Texas Governor Greg Abbott, a Republican, who accused Planned Parenthood of the "gruesome harvesting of baby body parts." No evidence was provided by Texas to back the claim.

The videos released last summer led Texas and several other Republican-controlled states to try to halt funding for local Planned Parenthood operations.

"After a lengthy and thorough investigation by the Harris County District Attorney's Office, the Texas Rangers, and the Houston Police Department, a Harris County grand jury took no action Monday against Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast," the Harris County District Attorney's office said in a statement.

Planned Parenthood has denied the accusation and called the probe politically motivated.

David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt have been indicted by the grand jury for tampering with a governmental record, said prosecutors for the county in which Houston is located.

The two were involved in covert videos last year in which a discussion was held with a Planned Parenthood official on the procurement of fetal tissue.

Daleiden, founder of the Center for Medical Progress that released the videos, was also charged with violating a prohibition on the purchase and sale of human organs, a misdemeanor, the Harris County District Attorney said.

The videos purported to show Planned Parenthood officials trying to negotiate prices for aborted fetal tissue. Under federal law, donated human fetal tissue may be used for research, but profiting from its sale is prohibited.

Shortly after the release, Texas, the most populous Republican-controlled U.S. state, said it would launch a probe of Planned Parenthood.

"These people broke the law to spread malicious lies about Planned Parenthood in order to advance their extreme anti-abortion political agenda," said Eric Ferrero, vice president of Communications for Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

"As the dust settles and the truth comes out, it's become totally clear that the only people who engaged in wrongdoing are the criminals behind this fraud, and we're glad they're being held accountable," he said.

The Texas governor said: "Nothing about today's announcement in Harris County impacts the state's ongoing investigation."

In October, Texas raided several Planned Parenthood facilities in the state.

[MooseMom]

They've been indicted IN TEXAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  omg!

[nursey66]

Too bad for women's rights , with Trump in we will be back to illegal and unsafe abortion , a law won't stop it , just make it hard for women .