Government Shut-Down....

[Hemodoc]

Dear Cariad, here is a bit of edurcashun on how weak Romney was during the entire campaign. His loss, no surprise at all to anyone paying attention.

APRIL 2012

Right now, Mitt Romney has the highest disapproval ratings of any presidential candidate in recent history. He’s 14 points behind Obama with independent women in swing states, nearly 60 points behind among Latinos nationwide, and he’s still clawing for the confidence of conservative voters. He has committed to a right-wing budget of deep cuts to social spending, and he will have to defend huge tax cuts for the rich, at the same time that he has to answer for his massive wealth and conspicuously low tax rates.

Yes, he’ll pick up steam in the fall, and yes, he’ll improve his standing with independents and other groups. What’s more, the two-party system means that Romney will always have a chance at winning, even if he’s behind. Still, even with those handicaps, I’m not sure how you can look Romney and come away with the view that he’s “strong.” Adequate? Yes. But nothing more than that.

http://prospect.org/article/sorry-republicans-mitt-romney-just-weak-he-looks

JULY 2012

Never has a winner looked so beaten

By John PodhoretzJanuary 11, 2012 | 5:00am

Perplexing but true: Mitt Romney is on the glide path to the most easily secured nomination a Republican presidential candidate has ever had — while being one of the weakest major candidates either party has ever seen.

http://nypost.com/2012/01/11/never-has-a-winner-looked-so-beaten/

Romney: Too Weak?

by David Frum Jul 15, 2012 8:45 AM EDT

But at every point, Romney has surrendered to the fringe of his party. Weak. And now in his first tough encounter with Barack Obama, Romney is being shoved around again. This is not what a president looks like - anyway, not a successful president.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/15/romney-weak.html

AUGUST 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aQgioiqtiM

SEPTEMBER 2012

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/was-mitt-romney-the-best-candidate-the-gop-had-this-year/

SHOCK? Only to the propaganda outlets we call the news.

[Hemodoc]

Cariad,

Let's talk stats. Obama is now plummeting in the polls. Going with Gallup which most accept as one of the most reliable, his approval scores began to drop precipitously at the start of the Government shutdown. His heavy handed tactics were noticed. With the Obamacare failures, this man-child president has done much damage to this nation and people are beginning to wake up to that reality. So you want stats, start with this:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

I would venture that Obama came out of the government shutdown much more damaged than the left wing media polls suggest.

[cariad]

Cariad,

Let's talk stats. Obama is now plummeting in the polls. Going with Gallup which most accept as one of the most reliable, his approval scores began to drop precipitously at the start of the Government shutdown. His heavy handed tactics were noticed. With the Obamacare failures, this man-child president has done much damage to this nation and people are beginning to wake up to that reality. So you want stats, start with this:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

I would venture that Obama came out of the government shutdown much more damaged than the left wing media polls suggest.

I stopped reading at man-child. Mr. Obama is probably the most measured, intelligent, gifted leader to take the Presidential oath in my entire lifetime. You continually outdo yourself with your vile rhetoric. I can think of someone who proves that he fits the description of man-child perfectly but it is not Mr. Obama. The polls were very clear that the majority of Americans blamed the Republicans for the shutdown. You whimpering about that truth does not change it one iota. 

Oh, surprise, surprise there are two posts prior to this one that you have obviously snarled and moaned your way through, but I won't be reading a single word. Three posts! You are once again showing a truly unhealthy obsession with me. It is beyond disturbing the way you talk to people on this site and how you are wholly incapable of ever admitting a mistake or recognising that someone else knows more about a subject than you do. My last stats professor wrote me an email thanking me for noticing an error he had made. I talk stats on an entirely different level than you and have no interest in talking to someone who doesn't even understand the basic concepts that he's pontificating about.

[YLGuy]

Cariad,

Let's talk stats. Obama is now plummeting in the polls. Going with Gallup which most accept as one of the most reliable, his approval scores began to drop precipitously at the start of the Government shutdown. His heavy handed tactics were noticed. With the Obamacare failures, this man-child president has done much damage to this nation and people are beginning to wake up to that reality. So you want stats, start with this:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

I would venture that Obama came out of the government shutdown much more damaged than the left wing media polls suggest.

I stopped reading at man-child. Mr. Obama is probably the most measured, intelligent, gifted leader to take the Presidential oath in my entire lifetime. You continually outdo yourself with your vile rhetoric. I can think of someone who proves that he fits the description of man-child perfectly but it is not Mr. Obama. The polls were very clear that the majority of Americans blamed the Republicans for the shutdown. You whimpering about that truth does not change it one iota. 

Oh, surprise, surprise there are two posts prior to this one that you have obviously snarled and moaned your way through, but I won't be reading a single word. Three posts! You are once again showing a truly unhealthy obsession with me. It is beyond disturbing the way you talk to people on this site and how you are wholly incapable of ever admitting a mistake or recognising that someone else knows more about a subject than you do. My last stats professor wrote me an email thanking me for noticing an error he had made. I talk stats on an entirely different level than you and have no interest in talking to someone who doesn't even understand the basic concepts that he's pontificating about.

Here is the thing.  Even though you just told him that you are not reading his dribble he cannot let anyone have the last word.  No matter how much he is proved wrong.  Let us see if he is mature enough to let it go or will he be an immature man-child.  I already know the answer. 

[Hemodoc]

Cariad,

Let's talk stats. Obama is now plummeting in the polls. Going with Gallup which most accept as one of the most reliable, his approval scores began to drop precipitously at the start of the Government shutdown. His heavy handed tactics were noticed. With the Obamacare failures, this man-child president has done much damage to this nation and people are beginning to wake up to that reality. So you want stats, start with this:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

I would venture that Obama came out of the government shutdown much more damaged than the left wing media polls suggest.

I stopped reading at man-child. Mr. Obama is probably the most measured, intelligent, gifted leader to take the Presidential oath in my entire lifetime. You continually outdo yourself with your vile rhetoric. I can think of someone who proves that he fits the description of man-child perfectly but it is not Mr. Obama. The polls were very clear that the majority of Americans blamed the Republicans for the shutdown. You whimpering about that truth does not change it one iota. 

Oh, surprise, surprise there are two posts prior to this one that you have obviously snarled and moaned your way through, but I won't be reading a single word. Three posts! You are once again showing a truly unhealthy obsession with me. It is beyond disturbing the way you talk to people on this site and how you are wholly incapable of ever admitting a mistake or recognising that someone else knows more about a subject than you do. My last stats professor wrote me an email thanking me for noticing an error he had made. I talk stats on an entirely different level than you and have no interest in talking to someone who doesn't even understand the basic concepts that he's pontificating about.

Here is the thing.  Even though you just told him that you are not reading his dribble he cannot let anyone have the last word.  No matter how much he is proved wrong.  Let us see if he is mature enough to let it go or will he be an immature man-child.  I already know the answer. 

Great to hear from you again YL with another set of insults as always. Perhaps one day you might just stick to the topic at hand. I will ignore you telling me simply to shut up and sorry, where did someone "prove" me wrong? I have heard a bunch of opinions without supporting facts, but that by definition is not proof.

In any case, have a great day YL.

[Hemodoc]

Cariad,

Let's talk stats. Obama is now plummeting in the polls. Going with Gallup which most accept as one of the most reliable, his approval scores began to drop precipitously at the start of the Government shutdown. His heavy handed tactics were noticed. With the Obamacare failures, this man-child president has done much damage to this nation and people are beginning to wake up to that reality. So you want stats, start with this:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

I would venture that Obama came out of the government shutdown much more damaged than the left wing media polls suggest.

I stopped reading at man-child. Mr. Obama is probably the most measured, intelligent, gifted leader to take the Presidential oath in my entire lifetime. You continually outdo yourself with your vile rhetoric. I can think of someone who proves that he fits the description of man-child perfectly but it is not Mr. Obama. The polls were very clear that the majority of Americans blamed the Republicans for the shutdown. You whimpering about that truth does not change it one iota. 

Oh, surprise, surprise there are two posts prior to this one that you have obviously snarled and moaned your way through, but I won't be reading a single word. Three posts! You are once again showing a truly unhealthy obsession with me. It is beyond disturbing the way you talk to people on this site and how you are wholly incapable of ever admitting a mistake or recognising that someone else knows more about a subject than you do. My last stats professor wrote me an email thanking me for noticing an error he had made. I talk stats on an entirely different level than you and have no interest in talking to someone who doesn't even understand the basic concepts that he's pontificating about.

Yes, yes, yes Cariad. Your insultfest continues but you do very poorly keeping to the debate at hand. In any case, have a great day and when did I ever state that the IHD poll was scientific or statistical? In addition, you continue on your diatribe about statistics no matter what I say. My statement was simply my own opinion on the IHD poll. But you have continued post after post asserting something I never stated. WHY? False allegations are meaningless. But go ahead and quote how wonderful you are at statistics. Perhaps a course in English comprehension would have served you better. In any case, Have a great day.

[Hemodoc]

Dear Cariad, if your reply is an implication for one party control of congress and the presidency, you are quite wrong. Both parties and the president took hits. It is not at all one sided as you portray. Here from Gallop:

Bottom Line

One might think that after Americans witnessed this month's spectacular display of political gridlock in Washington, their desire to have one political party control both the presidency and Congress would have surged. But one would be wrong.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165410/amid-shutdown-americans-not-calling-one-party-gov.aspx

It would seem that many Americans would rather have gridlock than either party having unlimited control. In other words, gridlock means less is done by the government to interfere. You keep stating you are really good at statistics, well, I have listed links to two sets of stats, yet to date, you have deliberately refused to comment on this objective data. Go figure, I guess you would rather simply stick to false accusations and insults instead. If you really are good at statistics, show us please.

[cariad]

Right again, Marc. I am shaking my head in disbelief. 

[Hemodoc]

Here some updated statistics from Gallup today that you might wish to comment on Cariad. Obama's approval rating continues to drop sharply. This started at the beginning of October with the shutdown. As the Obamacare sticker shock becomes reality, even the DEMS won't stick with him just to save their own positions.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

[Shaks24]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165317/republican-party-favorability-sinks-record-low.aspx

[noahvale]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165317/republican-party-favorability-sinks-record-low.aspx

According to the latest from Gallup (NOVEMBER 5, 2013), President Obama's approval rating has plummeted into the 30s as millions of people continue to lose their health insurance.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Plus, this proves the Republicans were right all along about Obama's "untruthfulness."  Don't be surprised to see their poll numbers begin to rise.

[Hemodoc]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165317/republican-party-favorability-sinks-record-low.aspx

As millions of people lose the health insurance coverage that they now enjoy, the GOP stand on Obamacare that led to the shutdown won't look anywhere as bad as last months polls as time goes on.  Folks simply don't understand the search and destroy mission that Obamacare really is. It destroys the employer based markets and the individual insurance markets. The sticker shock and the big lie that you can keep your health insurance if you like it will come back to bite the entire DEM party and Obama supporters. The GOP was on the right side of that fight as unpopular as it was at the time. Once folks get a full taste of Obamacare reality, I suspect the GOP stand will gain more respect.

[Bill Peckham]

Peter and NV I'm glad to know you give Gallup polling so much credibility and that the majority opinion carries so much sway ... does this mean you have reconsidered your position on marijuana legalization? For First Time, Americans Favor Legalizing Marijuana

The Obamacare insurance exchanges need to be able to sign people up and clearly the federal internet site is not making that easy if it is allowing it at all. But that is no the same thing as illustrating a problem with the legislation. I think one thing that is clearly been demonstrated is that insurance companies do not have your best interests at heart. Insurance companies are trying their hardest to capitalize on the fear and confusion that opponents of the ACA are gleefully sowing by steering people who were in the individual market into costly alternatives that do not access the subsidies that are one leg of the ACA's three legged stool.

the GOP stand on Obamacare that led to the shutdown

Glad to see that you agree that the Republicans created the shutdown. Did you change your vote in the IHD poll?

[Hemodoc]

Peter and NV I'm glad to know you give Gallup polling so much credibility and that the majority opinion carries so much sway ... does this mean you have reconsidered your position on marijuana legalization? For First Time, Americans Favor Legalizing Marijuana

The Obamacare insurance exchanges need to be able to sign people up and clearly the federal internet site is not making that easy if it is allowing it at all. But that is no the same thing as illustrating a problem with the legislation. I think one thing that is clearly been demonstrated is that insurance companies do not have your best interests at heart. Insurance companies are trying their hardest to capitalize on the fear and confusion that opponents of the ACA are gleefully sowing by steering people who were in the individual market into costly alternatives that do not access the subsidies that are one leg of the ACA's three legged stool.

the GOP stand on Obamacare that led to the shutdown

Glad to see that you agree that the Republicans created the shutdown. Did you change your vote in the IHD poll?

Marijauna Bill? That is quite a stretch isn't it. If folks want marijuana, that is up to them, I choose to not support that. I must admit, you really have lost me on what analogy you are juxtaposing.

As far as Gallup and Obama, it is just one of many indicators that Obamacare is the unmitigated disaster DEMS have been fearing for quite some time. In fact, it is much worse than anyone envisioned.

As far as the GOP stand against Obamacare, stating that their stand led to the shutdown is not the same as asking who was responsible for all of the havoc created by Obama's heavy handed policies to increase the pain. Obama share's that blame alone.  I see the DEMS scrambling right now to lessen the pain of Obamacare but it may be a bit too little too late. It is not looking pretty at all right now and that is simply the reality that we all should have known was coming.

[Bill Peckham]

Your posts suggest that polling numbers from Gallup should be a persuasive reason to consider the Affordable Care Act a failure which suggests you give Gallup polling not only a high degree of credibility you also find poll results a reason to reevaluate previous support. If you don't believe that, what was the reason to bring up the Gallup polling?

The poll that started this thread could not be clearer "Government shut down ... who is responsible?"  you agree it was the republicans so you should change your vote. Just saying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/us/for-uninsured-clearing-a-way-to-enrollment.html

The woman, a thin 61-year-old who refused to give her name, citing privacy concerns, had come to the public library here to sign up for health insurance through Kentucky’s new online exchange. She had a painful lump on the back of her hand and other health problems that worried her deeply, she said, but had been unable to afford insurance as a home health care worker who earns $9 an hour.

Within a minute, the system checked her information and flashed its conclusion on Ms. Cauley’s laptop: eligible for Medicaid. The woman began to weep with relief. Without insurance, she said as she left, “it’s cheaper to die.”

This is why the Affordable Care Act was needed. This illustrates a widespread problem for which republicans offer no solution. The republicans can scream all they like about the fear and confusion they have worked so hard to support but at the end of the day, when the dust settles, it will no longer be cheaper to die. When it is no longer cheaper to die I will rest easy. How about you?

[YLGuy]

Observation:

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=65.msg470731;topicseen#msg470731

Look at all the stupid things doctors have said.  You would think with all their advanced degrees they would know everything.  At least they think they do.  Clearly they make uninformed comments that are ridiculous.  These comments are in the field of medicine.  Imagine if they started commenting on something outside their field of expertise. wait...
 

[Hemodoc]

Observation:

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=65.msg470731;topicseen#msg470731

Look at all the stupid things doctors have said.  You would think with all their advanced degrees they would know everything.  At least they think they do.  Clearly they make uninformed comments that are ridiculous.  These comments are in the field of medicine.  Imagine if they started commenting on something outside their field if expertise. wait...
 

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YL, thanks for calling me stupid one more time. Sadly, I don't expect anything better from you at all. Some Christian I guess, go figure. Perhaps you might one day actually venture an intelligent comment related to the topic at hand, but sadly, I don't expect that either any time soon.

[YLGuy]

Math and science??? Huh, uhh, I have a B.S. degree in Biology, minor in math, minor in chemistry Summa Cum Laude and an M.D. I understand science quite well thank you. Not sure what blue cloud you picked that out of but, that is quite a chuckle a well.

Proves this argument does not hold water.   
 
Laughing at you not with you.

[Hemodoc]

Your posts suggest that polling numbers from Gallup should be a persuasive reason to consider the Affordable Care Act a failure which suggests you give Gallup polling not only a high degree of credibility you also find poll results a reason to reevaluate previous support. If you don't believe that, what was the reason to bring up the Gallup polling?

The poll that started this thread could not be clearer "Government shut down ... who is responsible?"  you agree it was the republicans so you should change your vote. Just saying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/us/for-uninsured-clearing-a-way-to-enrollment.html

The woman, a thin 61-year-old who refused to give her name, citing privacy concerns, had come to the public library here to sign up for health insurance through Kentucky’s new online exchange. She had a painful lump on the back of her hand and other health problems that worried her deeply, she said, but had been unable to afford insurance as a home health care worker who earns $9 an hour.

Within a minute, the system checked her information and flashed its conclusion on Ms. Cauley’s laptop: eligible for Medicaid. The woman began to weep with relief. Without insurance, she said as she left, “it’s cheaper to die.”

This is why the Affordable Care Act was needed. This illustrates a widespread problem for which republicans offer no solution. The republicans can scream all they like about the fear and confusion they have worked so hard to support but at the end of the day, when the dust settles, it will no longer be cheaper to die. When it is no longer cheaper to die I will rest easy. How about you?

Uhhh, WOW Bill, that is a bit of quite discordant logic if logic is the right word at all.

1) Gallup is a neutral, accepted poll by liberal and conservative pundits. Why not use Gallop results to show how Obama is slipping in the polls?

2) One issue is how the government shutdown affected both political parties. The lies Obama stated about Obamacare are coming back to roost with him. The stand the GOP took could quite likely become accepted more so with time as the true effect of Obamacare reaches the people who voted for him. After all, I remember a meeting with Lori Hartwell that we both attended if I remember correctly praising Obamacare but at the same time stating effectively she would never want to give up her own insurance with Cedar Sinai and other top providers in LA. With millions of people losing their current insurance, the shock will only spread.

3) Obama is 100% responsible for increasing the pain in shutting down those entities he directed, once again to increase the pain.

http://www.examiner.com/article/park-ranger-admits-being-told-to-make-life-as-difficult-for-people-as-possible

4) The GOP has presented several options which Obama won't even discuss with them choosing instead to employ strong arm tactics. The problem of Obamacare is that there was no debate. It was done behind closed doors with the GOP completely excluded when the DEMS controlled both the house and senate. The lack of debate is the biggest reason he is running into such resistance today even within his own ranks.

5) Great source from the NYT that is anonymous. Great, I can really believe that one can't I. By the way, how did she get through when no one else in the entire country was able to? Yup, I truly believe that story meets journalistic criteria Bill.

[Hemodoc]

Math and science??? Huh, uhh, I have a B.S. degree in Biology, minor in math, minor in chemistry Summa Cum Laude and an M.D. I understand science quite well thank you. Not sure what blue cloud you picked that out of but, that is quite a chuckle a well.

Proves this argument does not hold water.   
 
Laughing at you not with you.

Grow up YL, one more report to the moderators.

[YLGuy]

BTW, I never called you stupid.  Stating that ones arguments are not based in fact is saying just that.  Yes, sometimes what you say really sounds stupid.  That is not calling you stupid.  There is a difference and I am sorry you do not know the difference.  I feel sorry for you.

Based on your posts I know that you do not act like a Christian. You can quote the bible all you want but you certainly do not act like a Christian.

James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

[YLGuy]

Math and science??? Huh, uhh, I have a B.S. degree in Biology, minor in math, minor in chemistry Summa Cum Laude and an M.D. I understand science quite well thank you. Not sure what blue cloud you picked that out of but, that is quite a chuckle a well.

Proves this argument does not hold water.   
 
Laughing at you not with you.

Grow up YL, one more report to the moderators.

Grow up. If you are going to dish it out then take it like a man. Not an immature man-child.

[Hemodoc]

Math and science??? Huh, uhh, I have a B.S. degree in Biology, minor in math, minor in chemistry Summa Cum Laude and an M.D. I understand science quite well thank you. Not sure what blue cloud you picked that out of but, that is quite a chuckle a well.

Proves this argument does not hold water.   
 
Laughing at you not with you.

Grow up YL, one more report to the moderators.

Grow up. If you are going to dish it out then take it like a man. Not an immature man-child.

One more report to moderators. I am sure everyone is sick of personal attacks on the political section. Perhaps IHD should just get rid of all political threads if personal attacks are all that happens which sadly is the case.

If you really believe you are throwing me some sort of heat that I "can't take", you are just wrong.

Once again, you pop up on political threads over and over again just insult. Perhaps giving an opinion of the topic at hand would be appropriate.

[YLGuy]

You reported me?
Let me show my tattoos. 

[Hemodoc]

Your lucky day YL, looks like IHD no longer moderates political threads.

Have a great day YL.