Government Shut-Down....

[Zach]

The federal government reopens tomorrow on terms that have been acceptable to Congressional democrats since the shutdown started, so in the end what do supporters of the republicans in Congress take away from this experience?

Now Bill, don't gloat.

 

[Bill Peckham]

The federal government reopens tomorrow on terms that have been acceptable to Congressional democrats since the shutdown started, so in the end what do supporters of the republicans in Congress take away from this experience?

Now Bill, don't gloat.

 

It wasn't my success and the misfortune was mostly borne by federal workers and people who depend on a functioning government, there is nothing to gloat about. It's a serious question, was anything accomplished? Was anything learned from the republican perspective? My guess is this whole three week period will never be spoken of again by republican officials and their supporters other than as part of some stabbed in the back narrative. Starting tomorrow the only thing anyone on the right will want to talk about is the crappiness of the federal healthcare exchange computer system. The legislative failures of the last three weeks will just be another wound, another grievance for republicans to air on Festivus.

[Shaks24]

Not really sure. My take away is that the T Party is a bunch of wackos.

[Hemodoc]

Lessons learned? No, this is just business as usual in Washington D.C.

As the IHD poll on this issue shows in a very left leaning website, Obama did not come out smelling like a rose. He gave the GOP some great 2014 ads on abuse of power. When this is coupled with over 10 months of ObamaCare, your gloating today will not be evident at that time. ObamaCare is a complete unmitigated disaster. By excluding the GOP entirely in this monstrous takeover of the health care industry, ownership of this bill will belong entirely to the DEMS since it is their own little baby.

Even with the left wing media propaganda machine, the impact on unions, small business and unskilled workers will be swift, destructive and noticed.  For the GOP to simply8 fund Obamacare without any fight would have been far worse. Granted, this nation is leaning further and further left which is not so much a measure of the success of Obama at all, but rather the historic trend of all democracies coupled with human nature of wanting something without working for it.

The GOP and the Tea Party specifically has much more to overcome than simple politics. Overcoming historical trends and human nature to raid the treasury more and more is probably a losing battle for anyone to engage in as history demonstrates, but it is one worth engaging given the consequences are that democracies end in totalitarian dictatorships. One thing we did learn is that Obama enjoys tactics that increase the pain to the common people of America if they oppose him in any manner. That is the hallmarks of a man who would be king. That is not the hallmarks of a true leader.

[YLGuy]

So why doesn't a vote come to settle this shutdown?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/house-republicans-rules-change_n_4095129.html

Interesting.

I noticed HD completely ignored this despicable GOP move.  I am so tired of the bologna they get away with.  Between the gerrymandering so they have the House and trying to block the vote like in NC.  It is disgusting and anyone who supports this should be ashamed.

[Shaks24]

Agreed. Hopefully they will pay a price in 2014 and 2016. I spent some time reading Ryans budget plan yesterday. Hopefully it will never see the light of day. The GOP has lost its way. They are the party of extorsion.

[willowtreewren]

Dear Aleta, read the article and several others. They did INDEED shut down the Foothills parkway which is what I was referring to and left kids in an isolated part of the county in great difficulty getting home on dangerous roads.

The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county. The closure came without warning and left the local school district scrambling to get children back to their homes./

The children live in the eastern Tennessee community of Top of the World – serviced by School Bus 49. Normally, the bus travels along the Foothills Parkway. Other roads leading to the isolated mountain community are impassible by bus.

“It’s dangerous,” said Nancy Kemp, the spokesperson for Blount County Schools.”It’s very curvy and straight up the mountain. It’s just not a safe route.”

One local resident told Knoxville television station WBIR that the alternative roads are “white knuckle routes.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/07/all-about-power-and-leverage-feds-shut-down-major-roadway-block-access-to/

I guess you don't know what is going on in your neck of the woods by our residing dictator in chief.

All right, Peter. You still didn't acknowledge a couple of things. First you claimed that you never said that the highway through the park was closed. You did. Secondly, you ignored that I said that Foothills Parkway is another issue. Yes, it was closed, and yes, the children had to use another route (a white knuckle road I have traversed many times). You failed to understand that Foothills Parkway is FREQUENTLY closed. When it is, those poor posturing politicians, parents and school personnel don't have any cause to whine to the media in an attempt to make it seem that the administration in Washington is deliberately causing them discomfort.

Your condescending tone is not becoming, but I doubt an apology will be be forthcoming.

I notice that you also continue to use derogatory language when referring the President Obama. That is not very becoming either. Nor does using immature language strengthen your arguments in any way. It seems to be your style, though.

[noahvale]

I am so tired of the bologna they get away with.  Between the gerrymandering so they have the House and trying to block the vote like in NC.  It is disgusting and anyone who supports this should be ashamed.

Hate to disillusion you, YLG, but "gerrymandering" is used equally by Republicans and Democrats in state politics, depending on which party has control.  Each wish to either hold on to or expand its party's advantage.  The SCOTUS has even acknowledged that reapportionment is a legislative and political process and that political parties may, "seek partisan advantage to their heart's content as long as they do it within constraints [of the law].”   Ideally, the most logical way to do state reapportionment would be to let a computer draw the lines based on population, prohibiting political or demographic considerations.  However, in the vast majority of states, BOTH parties are against this - too nonpartisan.  They would rather play the political game with "to the victor go the spoils."

It will ultimately end up with the Supremes to decide if NC's Voter ID laws are discriminatory.  However, take heed...SCOTUS, on a 6-3 decision, found Indiana's Voter ID laws to be constitutional, on which NC's are based.  Plus, Section 4 of the Voters Rights Act, which NC had to abide by, is no longer valid.

[Hemodoc]

Dear Aleta, read the article and several others. They did INDEED shut down the Foothills parkway which is what I was referring to and left kids in an isolated part of the county in great difficulty getting home on dangerous roads.

The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county. The closure came without warning and left the local school district scrambling to get children back to their homes./

The children live in the eastern Tennessee community of Top of the World – serviced by School Bus 49. Normally, the bus travels along the Foothills Parkway. Other roads leading to the isolated mountain community are impassible by bus.

“It’s dangerous,” said Nancy Kemp, the spokesperson for Blount County Schools.”It’s very curvy and straight up the mountain. It’s just not a safe route.”

One local resident told Knoxville television station WBIR that the alternative roads are “white knuckle routes.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/07/all-about-power-and-leverage-feds-shut-down-major-roadway-block-access-to/

I guess you don't know what is going on in your neck of the woods by our residing dictator in chief.

All right, Peter. You still didn't acknowledge a couple of things. First you claimed that you never said that the highway through the park was closed. You did. Secondly, you ignored that I said that Foothills Parkway is another issue. Yes, it was closed, and yes, the children had to use another route (a white knuckle road I have traversed many times). You failed to understand that Foothills Parkway is FREQUENTLY closed. When it is, those poor posturing politicians, parents and school personnel don't have any cause to whine to the media in an attempt to make it seem that the administration in Washington is deliberately causing them discomfort.

Your condescending tone is not becoming, but I doubt an apology will be be forthcoming.

I notice that you also continue to use derogatory language when referring the President Obama. That is not very becoming either. Nor does using immature language strengthen your arguments in any way. It seems to be your style, though.

So, what is the justification for abruptly closing the highway which is not even IN the National Park itself? That is even more troubling and it was shut down to increase the pain of the shutdown. If it is not inside the park, what justification do they have? That is an even worse scenario. I see it is open again and the closure was not a weather related issue at all. This is even more troubling. But if you want a dictatorship, so be it. Be careful what you ask for.

[Rerun]

All my friends who work for USDA got 2 weeks off with Pay.  WOW   Most of them are happy but think it is BS to the tax payer!

We cannot afford this!!    

[willowtreewren]

Peter, you said:

So, what is the justification for abruptly closing the highway which is not even IN the National Park itself? That is even more troubling and it was shut down to increase the pain of the shutdown. If it is not inside the park, what justification do they have? That is an even worse scenario. I see it is open again and the closure was not a weather related issue at all. This is even more troubling. But if you want a dictatorship, so be it. Be careful what you ask for.

Since you are not from this area, you don't know the geography. The Foothills Parkway, while not technically part of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, is managed by the Park System. When the Park System (along with the government) is closed, Foothills Parkway will also be closed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foothills_Parkway

I wonder why you keep adding snippets like this:

But if you want a dictatorship, so be it. Be careful what you ask for.

I have never wanted a dictatorship, nor did I want a shutdown of the government.

[Ang]

take a 3 month vacation folks,you can meet back then ,to do it all again

[Shaks24]

If we had a dictatorship the government would not have shut down. It was a failed GOP plan driven by the right wing Tbaggers that caused the government to shut down. Even GOP long term politicians are publicly admitting it was a mistake that cost the GOP politically. The GOP is badly brocken imo.

[Hemodoc]

If we had a dictatorship the government would not have shut down. It was a failed GOP plan driven by the right wing Tbaggers that caused the government to shut down. Even GOP long term politicians are publicly admitting it was a mistake that cost the GOP politically. The GOP is badly brocken imo.

No my friend, this nation is badly broken into conservatives, independents and progressives. Forget the GOP and DEMS, that doesn't tell the entire story.  The progressives completely dominate the DEMS and are the quite distinct majority of the GOP. Most of the GOP in congress today would have fit in quite well with the DEMS of 10-15 years ago.

If you can't see the totalitarian nature of this administration, then I guess you won't see it as the pot slowly boils. Likewise, it isn't just Obama, look at all that Bush did to rescind freedoms in America during his 8 years in office. The constitution is under assault by both parties who are sold out to big money. Corruption is rampant in this nation. It appears that folks simply have no concept of liberty any longer. Sadly, by the time they know the pot is boiling, it will be too late if it is not too late already. You castigate the Tbaggers not understanding what their motivations are. If you cherish personal and individual freedoms, you would be right with them as well.

Even in the Bible, when the people wanted a king instead of God, God told Samuel the prophet to let them have what they wanted, but simply warn them what they were asking for. That is where we are at today in a very real sense. So, hang on, the pot is starting to simmer my friend, but just remember, it is what you want that is coming. You are the people asking for this and that is what you shall get.

[Jean]

 Unfortunately, we will ALL get it.!!!

[Shaks24]

Woe is us. hehehe

[Hemodoc]

Woe is us. hehehe

Hmmm, not very funny my friend, but so be it, that is the attitude of the majority in the US today. So be it.

[Shaks24]

Maybe to you not funny. To me very funny. That is what I call freedom oh pious one. Sheesh!

[PatDowns]

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[Hemodoc]

Maybe to you not funny. To me very funny. That is what I call freedom oh pious one. Sheesh!

Now that is funny, yes, freedom to be enslaved. Very funny indeed.

[YLGuy]

Maybe to you not funny. To me very funny. That is what I call freedom oh pious one. Sheesh!

Now that is funny, yes, freedom to be enslaved. Very funny indeed.

Enslaved???  Now I know you are completely ridiculous.  I am done reading your complete dribble.  Have a great life my friend!

[Shaks24]

hehehe I'm free free free! Except for four manuals a day. Thank God for my government and medicare or I guess I would just have to curl up in a corner and die.

[Hemodoc]

hehehe I'm free free free! Except for four manuals a day. Thank God for my government and medicare or I guess I would just have to curl up in a corner and die.

It is interesting to read many of the quotes from the founding fathers. Ben Franklin made one of those interesting statements:

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

There is a real cost with snuggling up to the government teat for all things. Funny thing, ObamaCare which so far is a complete implementation flop stole over 700 billion from Medicare. The 9.4% cuts coming to dialysis are real and they will be painful for all. When ObamaCare is fully implemented and Medicare gutted even further, I am not sure if you will be singing the same praises. And YL, I thought you quit reading my posts a long time ago. Oh well, go figure, but always good to hear from you YL of course.

[Shaks24]

Are you on medicare Peter?

[Jean]

I am on Medicare and would love to find out just how much higher our premiums will be in 2014. After all, we did get a 1.5% increase in Social Security. for most of us, that amounts to between $15 and $17 per month. Have already been to Medicare, gov and can find no info on this. Ideas, anyone??