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« on: January 03, 2009, 05:54:13 AM »

 :stressed;  Anyone have a good Protien bar or drink that is affordable? I am looking for something to supplement my diet and boost my protein levels. Labs not too good. Any help would be nice. Im on a PD Cycler.












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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2009, 07:20:27 AM »

There is a liquid protein supplement called Procell (I think that's right), it has 30 grams of protein to 1 tablespoon.  It's pretty tasteless, and you can add it into anything.  We put it in lemonade for the patients at the clinic.  They are supposed to use it at home as well.  You should be having 60-75 grams\day.  Ask you dietician , or go to the health food store, they may have it.  Not the body builder powders though, that has other unrenal stuff in it. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2009, 08:45:54 AM »

i get zone bars and nutra balance cookies. the zone bars can be purchased at safeway and such from about $1.00 to $1.25 a bar. the nutra balance cookies can be ordered on line or through a medical supply house. for me they are both covered by medicaid, but everyone doesn't have that option. revival soy makes a cracker/chip (not covered by medicaid) which i like because they are low in both phos and potassium. they are however not inexpensive. just some ideas. all three items taste pretty good.
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2009, 10:42:22 AM »

I get the "Think Thin" bars at Trader Joe's because they have 20 grams of protein. (I guess you can also order direct too, I never have.) They aren't cheap but they have more protein than any other bar and they taste good. Here's info about them http://www.thinkthinbars.com/ - I do not know how they measure up in a renal diet but they are diabetic approved. Here's an example of the nutritional info for one flavor CHUNKY PEANUT BUTTER http://www.thinkproducts.com/thin-chunky-peanut-butter.php - it has less potassium than some of the other flavors.
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2009, 10:55:45 AM »

Go have a nice juicy hamburger.  It is okay once in a while.  Otherwise cook some chicken at home and have chunks of chicken in a salad with a cut up hard boiled egg and a blob of cottage cheese. 

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2009, 11:03:25 AM »

Go have a nice juicy hamburger.  It is okay once in a while.  Otherwise cook some chicken at home and have chunks of chicken in a salad with a cut up hard boiled egg and a blob of cortege cheese. 

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Rerun has the right idea!
Who could resist a juicy burger? Just remember the phosphorus binders.

You also might like to check out these IHD discussions:

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=1277.msg33597#msg33597

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=4820.msg71200#msg71200
 
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2009, 03:25:30 PM »

Eggs, particularly the whites, are an excellent sources of albumin.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2009, 04:22:44 PM »

There is a liquid protein supplement called Procell (I think that's right), it has 30 grams of protein to 1 tablespoon.  It's pretty tasteless, and you can add it into anything.  We put it in lemonade for the patients at the clinic.  They are supposed to use it at home as well.  You should be having 60-75 grams\day.  Ask you dietician , or go to the health food store, they may have it.  Not the body builder powders though, that has other unrenal stuff in it. 

Its recommended for dialysis patients to have 1.2 grams of protein per kilo of body weight.  PD patients tend to need even more.



Some good protein powders are.  EAS,  Optimum Nutrition, and Designer Whey Protein. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 01:26:19 PM »

:stressed;  Anyone have a good Protien bar or drink that is affordable? I am looking for somthing to suplament my diet and boost my protien levels. Labs not to good. Any help would be nice. Im on a PD Cycler.

I was using a canned protein powder, I forget the name....but it was 11.99 per can so I tried looking on EBAY and I got 4 cans for 9.99!  ProMod??  Or the new version of Promod it was.  It's tasteless and I mixed it with applesauce.

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 04:49:42 PM »

I also like Nepro a high protein drink that is for dialysis patients and it is low in Potassium and low in Phosphorous.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 04:48:35 PM »

Dan - here's some bright ideas on protein powders.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 05:05:51 PM »

really good leads here... thanks
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 05:42:23 PM »

Thanks for posting coorsbob my dad is having the same problem. Lots of good ideas.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2009, 11:52:17 PM »

I use a powder called Beneprotein.  Pretty much tasteless and can be added to anything.  I can't raise my protein naturally.  I've tried everything.  Funny though, no-one had mentioned the eggs till this post.  Yay.  I love eggs.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 09:16:21 AM »

Hubby gets Proteinex-18, which is pure liquid pre-digested protein.  18g/oz.  You can order it from most pharmacies without an Rx, but it is kinda expensive.  You can get a 30-oz bottle online for about $25.

Bonuses: NO phosphorus, 13mg potassium, high protein/liquid ratio, no additives.

Drawbacks: kinda expensive, and though hubby says he doesn't really mind the taste too much, I've heard it described elsewhere as "liquid a$$"  :)
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 11:07:09 AM »

Also remember that the NKF recommends:
1.2 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day.  And ...

"At least 50% of the protein ingested should be of high biological value. Protein of high biological value has an amino acid composition that is similar to human protein, is likely to be an animal protein, and tends to be utilized more efficiently by humans to conserve body proteins."

http://www.kidney.org/PROFESSIONALS/kdoqi/guidelines_updates/nut_a15.html

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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2009, 01:45:45 AM »

My Dietician gave me some of those renal drinks like Nepro, but i didn't really like them.
She told me to add skim milk powder to full cream milk, which i have a glass of with dinner every night.
I'm not sure how much protein this would contain, but i love my milk.
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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2009, 03:35:11 PM »

Greek yoghurt! Chobani Greek Yogurt has 14g of protein; Brown Cow has 13g protein.
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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 03:52:38 PM »


Greek yoghurt! Chobani Greek Yogurt has 14g of protein; Brown Cow has 13g protein.


That may be true, but the problem with eating all that dairy to reach 14 grams of protein is the high phosphorus.

Better to use a protein drink such as Designer Whey, which provides 19 grams of protein for only 140 mg of phosphorus.  Just two Renvela tablets.

And then there is a 3 oz. chicken breast, which will provide 26 grams of protein with only 196 mg of phosphorus.  Not bad.

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Just the facts: 70.0 kgs. (about 154 lbs.)
Treatment: Tue-Thur-Sat   5.5 hours, 2x/wk, 6 hours, 1x/wk
Dialysate flow (Qd)=600;  Blood pump speed(Qb)=315
Fresenius Optiflux-180 filter--without reuse
Fresenius 2008T dialysis machine
My KDOQI Nutrition (+/ -):  2,450 Calories, 84 grams Protein/day.

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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2009, 01:05:38 PM »

Has anyone tried LiquaCel?
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2009, 08:48:06 PM »


Has anyone tried LiquaCel?


Haven't tried it.
Do you have a web link?

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Just the facts: 70.0 kgs. (about 154 lbs.)
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Dialysate flow (Qd)=600;  Blood pump speed(Qb)=315
Fresenius Optiflux-180 filter--without reuse
Fresenius 2008T dialysis machine
My KDOQI Nutrition (+/ -):  2,450 Calories, 84 grams Protein/day.

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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2009, 06:35:46 AM »

Where does one find Procell?  I tried the web and all I got in my search was some kind of building materials!  My friend says when she was on it that it required a prescription. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2009, 10:51:35 AM »


Greek yoghurt! Chobani Greek Yogurt has 14g of protein; Brown Cow has 13g protein.


That may be true, but the problem with eating all that dairy to reach 14 grams of protein is the high phosphorus.

Better to use a protein drink such as Designer Whey, which provides 19 grams of protein for only 140 mg of phosphorus.  Just two Renvela tablets.

And then there is a 3 oz. chicken breast, which will provide 26 grams of protein with only 196 mg of phosphorus.  Not bad.

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In addition to the high phosphorus most yogurt is also high in potassium.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2009, 03:20:29 PM »

Thank you BigSky and Zach for the warning. The dialysis clinic gave my husband LiquaCel. It is a 1oz dose which you can mix with water, etc. However this particular packet contains something called L-Arginine. When I looked that up on the internet, there are contraindications for taking LiquaCel for people with blood sugar issues and liver disease, heart problems, etc. Well, of course my husband in addition to ESRD has transplanted pancreas and portal hypertension along with HepC.

So before taking LiquaCel check out the ingredients.

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2009, 03:29:34 PM »

Peleroja. It's called Procel and I found it here\
http://www.carepathways.com/estore-cat-Daily.cfm?Title=ProCel%20Protein%20Supplement
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