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Off-Topic => Political Debates - Thick Skin Required for Entry => Topic started by: Rerun on June 27, 2018, 01:22:14 PM
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Supreme Court has an opening. Anthony Kennedy has served for 30 years. He is almost 82. Bless his heart! I wish him the best time ever spending time with his family.
Get ready for a vicious confirmation battle. The President could nominate Jesus and the Dembos will not confirm him.
Or they will say we have to wait until Trump gets "impeached" so the next president (Pence) gets to nominate.
:banghead;
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so correct. The Libtards will find fault with who ever Trump nominates.
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The new McConnell rule will apply.
Are you two being purposely provocative tonight? Isn't this illustrative of just what is wrong with our country?
"Dembos" and "libtards"? Really? Why?
Watch Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski.
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Does "libtard" also apply to liberal republicans or do you consider only an insult against "Dembos"?
Also if I call any moderator of this forum a "libtard" will I be banned for life?
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If the shoe fits..........
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Perhaps this thread should be closed now.
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:rofl; Name calling is ban worthy if you call a specific person a name. Like calling me a racist. But calling all whites a racist is ridiculous but whatever. I can't take that personally.
But if you want to go to Kitkats and complain and whine, by ALL means go for it.
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Naw, Rerun, you can just hoist yourself by your own petard.
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"Petard" means FART for those of you who are Democrats.
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Oh, dearie me. Someone needs a bit of a lie down! LOL!
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I know that we're not supposed to delete posts, but I just did. It had nothing to do with dialysis or CKD, so I can't imagine that anyone would care.
This is just a stupid thread that I decline to pay any attention to.
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Quote by MM:
The new McConnell rule will apply.
I agree.
Also, Judge Scalia passed away in February 2016. If Hilary had won, would we be having this conversation?
Probably not.
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The fact that McConnell pulled his fast one with Garland says to me that he was well aware of the micky mousing that Rump was doing with Russia and that he would win and would appoint a right wing fascist
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Interesting article from Business Insider.
http://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6?r=UK&IR=T (http://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6?r=UK&IR=T)
If the investigation had needed to come before the SCOTUS, Kennedy would have had to recuse himself. tRump definitely needed to get him off the court and replace hime with someone who he could "rely" on to have his back.
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And this:
https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/29/new-claims-justice-kennedy-was-bought-off-and-must-be-investigated.html (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/29/new-claims-justice-kennedy-was-bought-off-and-must-be-investigated.html)
or this:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/06/donald-trump-justice-anthony-kennedy-retirement (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/06/donald-trump-justice-anthony-kennedy-retirement)
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Regardless of the "Mitch McConnell rule", please explain to me how someone who is under federal investigation should be allowed to nominate a justice who would rule on his eventual case?
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Because Mitch McConnell says so. That's how.
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I'd like to ask people who didn't vote or voted third party instead of Clinton (Sanders supports in the main) a question. Those of you who didn't vote because:
- Sanders treated unfairly
- the major party candidates are all the same
- it doesn't matter
- Clinton email
- Other
- all of the above
In retrospect, do you feel like you made a good decision?
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YES :thumbup;
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We will hear on Monday who Donald Picks. :waving;
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Whoever he picks has a hairy life ahead of him, trying to do his job while the Left picks on everything up to and including his nose hairs. I feel sorry for the person.
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Actually this will be more interesting then people think John McCain will probably be absent that means 51 republican senators. Collins has already said she may not vote for a roe v wade opponent, that leaves a tie to be broken by pence however trump has not made many friends with republican senators, murkowski, flake, corker come to mind.
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Sad that it just can't be on the person's history on a honest person who knows how to interpret the Constitution. I can't wait until the mid-terms to get some of those biased congress people out of there and get some new blood who isn't so angry.
What is the big deal with Roe vs Wade. It was never voted on by the people. The Supreme Court made it the law of the land.... period. All that would happen if it was overturned is the STATES would individually vote on the law. That is the way it should have been handled in the first place.
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SCOTUS has become a legislative, rather than interpretive, body. The fact that the votes could be predicted on so many cases (excluding Kennedy who became known as the swing voter) speaks to the intellectual dishonesty in many of the rulings.
Don't forget, it is not just how they vote on cases that matter, but the granting of cert. It takes four justices to agree to hear a case, and it is probable that some justices vote to deny cert if they feel a case will not go their way.
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re: mid-terms. I think you will see a lot of "biased congress people" out of there but on the R side. My gut says that unless you a Congressperson from a DEEP red district, you better start packing up your non-essentials now.
And the new blood? I have a feeling you haven't see the tip of the anger iceberg yet. Did you see today's POTUS decision that money owed the insurance companies as part of ACA risk adjustment is not going to be paid? When more insurance companies start pulling out of the ACA marketplaces the anger quotient is going to start ratcheting up to notches unknown. Maybe even enough for the dyed-in-the-wool R's to finally understand that the ACA isn't the work of the devil.
Sad that it just can't be on the person's history on a honest person who knows how to interpret the Constitution. I can't wait until the mid-terms to get some of those biased congress people out of there and get some new blood who isn't so angry.
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Brett Kavanaugh - Wonderful Choice
The paid mob chants Hell No On Kavanaugh Wonder if Soros thought that one up.
F. Chuck Schumer was on CBS This Morning and was just having a come apart. Love it. Keep it up Chuck!
Side note... So glad the Thai Soccer Team is out. This past two weeks has been heart wrenching. I know what it is like to be LOST waiting for help.
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Interesting that tRump chose someone who has specifically said that a sitting president should not be investigated.
hmmmmm - can't help but wonder what 45 is hiding.
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He is hiding nothing. He is pretty transparent. Trust me on this.
Hey Hey Ho Ho Trump has a long way to go.....
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If Trump is hiding nothing, then he should release his tax returns like he promised he would.
And he should talk to Mueller. Now.
And he should explain why his trade tariffs exempt Ivanka's shoes and handbags that are made in China. Nothing that the Trumps "make" are made in the USA. Why can't she have her stock made in the USA?
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wasnt it me that said no matter who he nominates, his or her life will be torn apart by the Left, no matter what????? Yes, dang it, it was me!!! Who would you have picked MM??
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Rerun and Jean,
I have one question for you that I have yet to hear any Trump supporter actually answer:
Regardless of whom the nominee is, do you feel that it is appropriate for a president under federal investigation to be allowed to nominate an individual to the Supreme Court when it is that court who will be adjudicating any eventual case against him?
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wasnt it me that said no matter who he nominates, his or her life will be torn apart by the Left, no matter what????? Yes, dang it, it was me!!! Who would you have picked MM??
I'm sure he will be just fine. He's a longtime member of the DC swamp so is used to the game. He's been around for a very long time. At least he will get a hearing, unlike Obama's pick.
I honestly don't know who I would have picked, Jean. I didn't even consider the question as it is pretty irrelevant. President Trump isn't interested in any opinion from someone who is not his base. I really don't know much about any of the judges out there that might be under consideration.
One thing that troubles me about this particular pick, though... It is my understanding that he was on Ken Starr's team when they were after Bill Clinton, a sitting president, and their case brought about Clinton's impeachment. But since then, Kavanaugh has written that sitting Presidents should not be "burdened" as a civilian would by any lawsuits, either civil or criminal, nor by any investigations into possible wrongdoing. Doing so, he claimed, would too badly handicap the federal government.
This opinion indicated that Kavanaugh believes that a sitting President is above the law. Furthermore, since we have a Vice President and two other branches of government, I don't understand how the entire government would fall if a sitting President was under investigation. America still got on with it while Kavanaugh was on the team investigating Clinton's sex life.
Furthermore, America didn't fall during Nixon's legal problems.
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He is hiding nothing. He is pretty transparent. Trust me on this.
Hey Hey Ho Ho Trump has a long way to go.....
Whenever one admonishes others to trust them, it gives me pause. Trust is earned through integrity, and should never need to be artificially brought to the table. Doing so, usually indicates there is reason not to trust....
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I guess if Trump was "really" being investigated for a real crime then he shouldn't pick. But, they have had plenty of time to arrest him and they haven't. Because there is no evidence.
If Trump could not pick because he was under investigation... the investigation would last 8 years. No. Not falling for that one.
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I guess if Trump was "really" being investigated for a real crime then he shouldn't pick. But, they have had plenty of time to arrest him and they haven't. Because there is no evidence.
If Trump could not pick because he was under investigation... the investigation would last 8 years. No. Not falling for that one.
If he has nothing to hide, wouldn't it behoove him to simply testify and be done with it? Then the country could move on with no cloud hanging over the *president.*
On the other hand, look at all the criminal charges (and even convictions) levied against those who have been in tRump's inner circle. Does that not give you pause?
At the very least, it indicates that he is not a good judge of character. At worst, he was well aware of the illegal shenanigans and chose to ignore them (or even participate).
What is it that has convinced you that tRump isn't being investigated for a real crime? Are you truly willing to take that chance?
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Manifort and Gates were arrested for Money Laundering for working for the Ukraine back in 2014. So Manifort is in Solitary Confinement. WTF Serial Killers get that. They are acting like the Mafia. Squeezing him and his family until the talk. Are they going to waterboard him next?
I'm not condoning Money Laundering, but let the punishment fit the crime.
The DNC was hacked. But we don't know by whom. Assange has said he did not get the leaks from Russia or Trump Committee. Why would he lie. There is a DNC campaign member who was shot in the back. They say it was a robbery yet nothing was taken. Hmmm
Muller has no evidence on Trump. I would be willing to Tell Muller he has 30 days to bring charges against Trump. If nothing... Trump picks.
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Manifort and Gates were arrested for Money Laundering for working for the Ukraine back in 2014. So Manifort is in Solitary Confinement. WTF Serial Killers get that. They are acting like the Mafia. Squeezing him and his family until the talk. Are they going to waterboard him next?
I'm not condoning Money Laundering, but let the punishment fit the crime.
The guy was in a soft prison and he is in "solitary" confinement in a private room with a bathroom, phone (15 minutes only per call - unlimited calls), computer, plus a laptop so he can write emails that are sent when the lawyer carries the laptop outside of the prison etc... If anything he is getting protected from non white collar criminals.
Paul Manafort getting 'VIP' treatment in prison with private cell, bathroom, phone, laptop, special counsel says
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/11/paul-manafort-getting-vip-treatment-in-prison-with-private-cell-bathroom-phone-laptop-special-counsel-says.amp.html
I'm sure that will change once he is in The Alexandria Detention Center and he probably will be put into "solitary" confinement to protect him from violent inmates.
Former Trump campaign boss Manafort no longer a 'VIP' as he gets new jail and prison jumpsuit
“Because he is a high-profile inmate, Mr. Manafort will be placed in protective custody which limits his interactions with other inmates," Lawhorne said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/12/former-trump-campaign-boss-manafort-no-longer-vip-gets-new-jail.html?%24DEVICE%24=amp
The DNC was hacked. But we don't know by whom. Trump. I would be willing to Tell Muller he has 30 days to bring charges against Trump. If nothing... Trump picks.
Our men in blue say that Russia hacked the DNC what more do you need?
Intel report says Putin ordered campaign to influence US election
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/06/trump-to-be-briefed-on-russia-hacking-report-as-unclassified-version-set-for-release.html
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Manafort is so stupid. He gets his lawyer to move to push his trial back because he's whining about being "too far" from his legal counsel. So the judge, in his infinite wisdom, moves Manafort out of his cozy VIP surroundings to that jail in Alexandria so that he can be closer to his attorney. Not so nice amenities. LOL!
The FBI knows exactly who hacked the DNC. They gave the plot a codename, Operation GRIZZLY STEPPE. The plot began early in summer 2015 by the Russian Military Intelligence service. Their spies ran all over the DNC computer system for almost a year before they were detected. By the fall, the FBI notified the DNC that their computer systems were being probed.
Didn't Fox News talk about COZY BEAR? The people behind this software were a cell of Russian army intelligence soldiers.
The Russian intelligence agency, the FSB, looked at every GOP candidate's file on the DNC system but stole only one, that being the one on Trump.
This is not new news. The FBI and some members of Congress knew about this before the election. It was Mitch McConnell who demanded that the American people not be told the extent of Russian hacking.
As for Assange, he has said that he did not obtain the emails by any "state actor". He almost certainly got them from Guccifer 2.0, the original Guccifer being a Romanian hacker who is presently in a US jail. Cybersecurity experts believe that Guccifer 2.0 is a Russian citizen but not necessarily a Russian official.
We don't know if Mueller has evidence on Trump. That's why he needs to be allowed to keep working on the case. How long did the investigation on Benghazi take? Seventeen months, and nothing was found. NOTHING. If Trump has nothing to be afraid of, he should encourage Mueller to be as thorough as possible and to take all the time he needs. Besides, the investigation has already resulted in several guilty verdicts, so it IS progressing nicely.
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Benghazi was started by a video showing Mohammad as a Thug! Right? That is what Obama and Hillary told us. So Nothing was found as a crime. Lying was not a crime.
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Hilarious. Truly hilarious in the age of the largest inauguration in history, through being the first R Presidential candidate to win Wisconsin, to the most recent claim - made from the podium by Sanders - that this administration has already increased African American employment more than the previous administration in it's entire eight years. Given all that, to hear you say that because the initial analysis, presented by the National Security Advisory on the Sunday chat shows justifies this ongoing harping about Benghazi after three years of endless wailing and rending of garments. Is astounding and one can only laugh.
Really the stories of Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and the rest are now types of shibboleths divorced from the actual events. Signals of faith.
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Is astounding and one can only laugh
I'm afraid "one can only" cry (and face palm) is more like it.
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Laugh or Cry..... it is coming down.
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Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, .....
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I just learned from a Democrat that ex-pres OBummer and his minions have declared that all positive growth in everything is because of O'Bummer 8 years of service. Service such as apologizing to the entire world for the existence of the United States and a request of Putin to wait on asking for anymore favors until the 2016 election was over when he would have more "room" to operate in. :rofl;
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ugh
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I just learned from a Democrat that ex-pres OBummer and his minions have declared that all positive growth in everything is because of O'Bummer 8 years of service.
Are you saying that this is the first time you heard the economy does better under Democrats?
Donald was absolutely right when he told Wolf Blitzer in 2004: “I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/#1feace056786
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Well, it looks like the Dembos have struck at the 11th hour. Now we can go back to puberty on to see if someone was sexually curious. Next we can go back to grade school to see if someone tried to kiss someone. Good Grief. No trial, just guilty as paid. Diane Finestine held on to this hoping they would get Kavanaugh during committee questioning . The couldn't so now they drug this cat out of the couch. Sickening!
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I find it even MORE interesting that those pushing Kavanaugh had 65 (!!!!!!) letters ready from women who were high school peers of Kavanaugh ready to spring immediately after the victim of attempted rape came forward. Is that not suspicious? Kind of reveals that the GOP were not only aware that this skeleton was lurking, but also that it would be especially damaging.
And doesn't it cause any supporters pause to know that Kavanaugh lied under oath?
To be fair, when the sitting PO(TU)S is a known sexual predator, why should that be a stumbling block for an appointee for the SCOTUS? Smacks my head!
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Well, it looks like the Dembos have struck at the 11th hour. Now we can go back to puberty on to see if someone was sexually curious. Next we can go back to grade school to see if someone tried to kiss someone. Good Grief. No trial, just guilty as paid. Diane Finestine held on to this hoping they would get Kavanaugh during committee questioning . The couldn't so now they drug this cat out of the couch. Sickening!
Well, it looks like the Repugnants have struck at the 11th hour. Now we can go back to equating "sexual assault" with "sexual curiosity". Next we can go back and see who else on the Supreme Court was also a sexual predator. Good grief. A lot of questioning of Justice Thomas, but the old white men on the committee didn't allow any corroborating testimony. Senator Feinstein held on to this hoping they would get Kavanaugh during committee questioning, and quite right, too! Bravo! After Kavanaugh's advice to Ken Starr regarding Bill Clinton, it's a stunning and brilliant move. And after Senator Mitch The Turtle refused to even TALK to Obama's nominee, color me unsympathetic. What goes around, comes around. So, now Sen. Feinstein has revealed what Chuck Grassley has known all along, hence his insistance that the entire committee would be refused access to the documents they requested. Sickening!!
We've got an election coming up where the Senate will be changed, so the American people should get to vote before a new Supreme Court Justice is appointed. Hear that, Mitch?
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I find it even MORE interesting that those pushing Kavanaugh had 65 (!!!!!!) letters ready from women who were high school peers of Kavanaugh ready to spring immediately after the victim of attempted rape came forward. Is that not suspicious? Kind of reveals that the GOP were not only aware that this skeleton was lurking, but also that it would be especially damaging.
Of course they knew, at least the Rs on the committee did. At the very least, Grassley knew.
And doesn't it cause any supporters pause to know that Kavanaugh lied under oath?
No. He could probably shoot someone on 5th Avenue, and they wouldn't care.
To be fair, when the sitting PO(TU)S is a known sexual predator, why should that be a stumbling block for an appointee for the SCOTUS? Smacks my head!
Don't forget that there is another sexual predator on the Court already.
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To be fair, when the sitting PO(TU)S is a known sexual predator, why should that be a stumbling block for an appointee for the SCOTUS? Smacks my head!
Don't forget that there is another sexual predator on the Court already.
BOOM!
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I was thinking GOP knew they would pull a cat out of the couch so they went a head and got letters of acknowledgment of character. Remembering the Anita Hill / Clarence Thomas trial. Can't say anything bad about Clarence or you are a racist!
I do agree about turtle Mitch. I would like to watch him eat a sandwich.
I just think all this ME TOO business has gone way off the track going back to High School 40 years ago. Really? We could go to "what she was wearing" A one piece swimsuit. She was 15 at a drinking party. Dah
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I agree with that Rerun. Going back how many years??? Good Grief, talk about digging for anything. And to top it off, he was not succesful in doing so and has 65 letters from those who worked with or for him and they are all complimentary.( which if I were on his team, I would have been sure to have them on hand, knowing that the Dems were going to attack him one way or another.) Also if a bunch of 15 year olds were drinking and partying, was she the only person who was not drunk?? This has not even been verified and the Dems are chomping at the bit. They want to get rid of him any way possible. If the only thing he ever did was wrong was that while drinking he attempted to have sex with her AND WAS NOT ABLE TO. This is just another way the Dems are trying to annoy Our President.
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Allegedly, he didn't merely "try to have sex with her". He put his hand over her mouth so that she couldn't scream for help.
No one was "digging" for this. This information was offered. And Chuck Grassley knew about it.
This is so typical....excusing men's violent and disgusting behaviour because they were drunk.
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Allegedly M.M. remember that. Nearly all of her story is also allegedly. Whether the libs are digging or not, and you know they were, is not what counts. She has no witness and does not even know where the allegedly took place. Excusing his "violent" behavior with his drinking is not even a question yet, since she is so unsure and does not even know he was drunk or if he was. I dont excuse men's violent behavior just because they are drunk , there is no excuse for any man to be violent to a woman.
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But Jean, if she's really so uncertain about her testimony, why would she risk so much, especially in this volatile political and social climate, what with Incel and such lurking about, and come forward with this? What would be the point?
She IS sure, however, that whoever it was that attacked her WAS drunk. If he was NOT drunk, well, that's even worse!
Now, I can see how perhaps Kavanaugh and his buddy (who has actually written some books on his drinking his way through school) might have been too drunk to remember what they did. These sorts of things, done in a drunken stupor, seem to conveniently evaporate from the memories of young men. But this woman remembers clearly enough that she was bothered by it years later to the extent that she told a therapist AND her husband about it. This is not the sort of thing a woman makes up to tell her husband.
So, either this woman is lying or she is misremembering the event. Or, Kavanaugh and his friend are lying or they were both too drunk to have remembered what they did.
You're right, though, in that as far as we know right now, there is no forensic evidence, and knowing that, Kavanaugh knows he can probably get away with it. And THAT is who will be judging us all from the bench of The Supreme Court of the United States.
And remember, just because she has no witness doesn't mean it didn't happen. But we are not in a criminal court. We are in the process of selecting a Supreme Court Judge, and we will all be able to make our own decision about whether or not this man can be trusted.
Kavanaugh's buddy sounds like a real charmer. He talks about how certain women should be "struck regularly, like gongs". He also blathers on about how men should feel the "awesome power of … male uncontrollable passion."
https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-high-school-friend-christine-ford-2018-9
They should put THIS guy under oath and make HIM testify.
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Well, we do know the accuser is a left wing activist and walked in the girls march with a vagina HAT on so she hates Trump. Kavanaugh did STOP when it was obvious she said NO. Credit for that? At 15 if I went to a party I was looking for a 'little' fun with boys. Maybe a kiss?? So, she is probably not perfectly innocent. This is where boys and girls are different as much as feminists try to say we are the same. Boys think about sex 90 percent of the time and girls maybe 10 and boys dream of penetration where girls think of kissing and cuddling.
They are going to drag this poor guy through the mud. I hope they ask him if he was a horny boy and I hope he says YES, I jacked off everyday. Like most boys that age do; if truth be told. Or, they just brag; if truth be told.
In my high school we would meet in the library... so 'Matt' (not his real name) could tell us about sex because he was active with his girlfriend. Oh, man, I thought it was gross but the guys were drooling! True That!
Watching CBS this morning it was a reality check to hear about this accuser talking about being thrown down on a bed and groped and hand placed over her mouth and HE STOPPED. AND then Elizabeth Smart talking about being kidnapped and raped everyday and multiple times a day with this man and his wife right there watching and encouraging him. She was 14 years old. She was forced to drink so much alcohol that she puked and passed out in it and woke up with her hair stuck to the floor - and they laughed at her. OMG
It is like comparing a 15 year old not getting "her latte" on the way to school.... and a 15 year old girl not eating all weekend and can't wait to go to school to eat free breakfast. Okay not a good example.... but ... think about it. Someone always has it worse.
F. Chuck Schumer is a snake in the grass. What they don't think about... is if Kavanaugh gets confirmed... he will be ruling on "their" cases. I hope Kavanaugh has a GOOD memory.
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The dirty tricks are being pulled by the gun control flagbearers in the Senate (Feinstein, Schumer) because Kavanaugh once voted that issue based on what the constitution says rather than desired public policy. He even went so far as to say a judge's desired outcome on a case should have nothing to do with the decision that judge renders.
The opposition has nothing to do with him being a bad judge, just one the opponents feel will issue rulings not to their liking.But Jean, if she's really so uncertain about her testimony, why would she risk so much, especially in this volatile political and social climate, what with Incel and such lurking about, and come forward with this? What would be the point?
Their is clear record that her politics are aligned with those opposed to the nomination. Her testimony should be viewed in the same light as a witness in a criminal trial who has been offered immunity for his crimes in return for the testimony.
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Simon Dog, leave it to you to make all of this about guns. That's not the issue here, as much as you'd like it to be. No, the issues are abortion and whether or not a sitting President can be indicted. Kavanaugh was all in favor of hassling Clinton (who was indeed a sexual predator, in my view), but only afterwards decided that, no, a pending criminal trial of a sitting president might be too onerous. We want to be able to get rid of Trump once it becomes clear that he's a felon whether he is a sitting president or not. So no, it's not about guns. Dearie me.
Do you honestly think she would go through all of this because of her political views? And where is this "clear record" of which you speak?
And no, her testimony, if given before a Senate committee, should not be viewed in that light because if she is lying, then she should be charged with perjury. I don't know from where you get the notion of "immunity".
And of course opponents to Kavanaugh don't want him on the bench if they believe he will issue rulings not to their liking!! That's the way it is these days, and you can thank Mitch for that. That's why he refused to accept any nominations by Obama even though he still had eleven months left in his term. He didn't want a judge who he believed might issue rulings not to his liking!!! Well, what goes around, comes around because midterms are only a few weeks away, and the American people should therefore get a say since it is the Senate who votes on nominees to the Court.
Rerun, who cares if she is a left wing activist? What's wrong with that, anyway? So what if she hates Trump or she marched in the women's march wearing a pussy hat? Why does that matter? If Kavanaugh did attempt to rape her and put his hand over her mouth to prevent her from screaming, should it matter what her politics are? But if she is lying, then she should be prosecuted if she has given "alternative facts" to the FBI and/or Congress.
And yes, I also hope they ask Kavanaugh, who has agreed to testify, all about the dirty details of his well-documented drunkenness and of that of his buddy. Remember it was Kavanaugh who told Ken Starr to be sure to ask all about the dirty details when Bill Clinton was being questioned, so you betcha, let's keep up that tradition. I wanna hear all about Kavanaugh's "dreams of penetration" and how many times he jerked off each day (your words). Yeah, let's drag him through the mud like they dragged Anita Hill through the mud.
Bragging and dreaming of sex 99 percent of the time is what boys do, but again, that's no excuse for trying to rape a young girl and putting his hand over her mouth so she can't escape or call for help. Dreaming is not that same as doing. And no, Kavanaugh did NOT stop when she told him "no" because he didn't give her a chance to tell him "no"; his hand was over her mouth, remember?
If this man is innocent, then he doesn't have anything to worry about, does he? I really do hope, though, that the Senate brings in this Mark Judge character. Talk about a nasty piece of work. Maybe there is a witness after all. Let's hear him speak under oath.
Edited to add: Why is there such a rush? Mitch was perfectly happy to let Scalia's seat stay empty for over a year, so why is Kavanaugh's confirmation vote being rushed through? Is it because Grassley knew about this allegation and was hoping the rest of us would never find out?
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Don't blame Grassley, DiFi had the information too. I agree, let it wait until after November 8th when there is more Republican seats to the House and Senate.
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I agree, let it wait until after November 8th when there is more Republican seats to the House and Senate.
This is the right attitude. Wait until the next Congress is seated
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Maybe now that the conservatives pick Russia over country maybe they can also be come friendly with the Taliban and Islamic extremists as they share similar values?
The Underground Girls of Kabul (http://theundergroundgirlsofkabul.com/)
Page 102 (the words of a Swedish female author):
In essence, it is the tired old attempt to dismiss a rape victim - did she wear something provocative? If so, she is responsible, at least in part, for being attacked. The idea that men are savages who can never control themselves was always a great insult to men, as it implies that men have no functioning minds that at any time could overrule very aggressive impulses.
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Iolaire, exactly. It always struck me as really sexist, this forever perpetuated idea that men just can't control themselves and are driving wild by the sight of a woman's ankles. But I sometimes wonder if this myth is conveniently perpetuated by men themselves, because then they get to abdicate any responsibility whatsoever. It' all a "nudge nudge, wink wink" kind of thing and is yet another way to diminish women.id
I saw this last night and nearly fell out of my chair. This is an interview with David Brock, a former right-wing activist, who admitted right then and there that he worked toward the annihilation of Anita Hill. He outlines the mindset of the committee both then and now, and it is utterly fascinating and frightening.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/brock-blasey-ford-face-full-180302418.html
Since the FBI at the time of Kavanaugh's background check did not know of Dr. Ford's experience, they could reopen said background check, just as Dr. Ford has requested. But first they would have to have the go-ahead from the White House, and that's not gonna happen. So once again, there goes the transparency that we were promised by this administration.
There ARE witnesses, and there IS corroborating evidence, and the FBI has a special unit for investigating sexual misdeeds. Why not let them do their work? What is scaring Trump and Kavanaugh? It doesn't have to take that long. Let's see the evidence before the midterms so that the people can make more informed choices in November.
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It has gone from sexual misconduct to rape. OMG Pretty soon she will come up with a 40 year old son that is his....
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A little off topic but democracies usually onyl last for about 200 years. Ours has started that long slide.
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Yea, the long slide to the left where good becomes evil and evil becomes good.
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True that!!
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Under the current Presidunce we live in a land where lies replace truth. He claims that the tape of him talking to Lester Holt admitting to why he fired Comey has been faked by nbc. Problem is any editing changes the meta data buried in the video encoding. Instead of having the video checked he does what all Russians do he relays on the big lie.
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Simon Dog, leave it to you to make all of this about guns. That's not the issue here, as much as you'd like it to be.
It may not be the issue in the broad sense, but in the case of Feinstein it certainly is. I do agree that for most of the opposing senators, the issue is abortion rights. The high school escapade is either very serious or nothing -- and that depends on your view of his politics, not your view of right and wrong. The condemnation would just shift to the other side of the aisle if the candidate were a pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-affirmative action liberal.
Funny thing how judges who are supposed to simply follow the law come to diametrically opposite views as to what the law says. If they just followed the law rather than their personally desired outcome, confirmation would be a simple process.
If this man is innocent, then he doesn't have anything to worry about, does he?
Innocent people are convicted, or forced to cop a plea, every day in the country. There was a recent study that concluded that blacks are wrongfully convicted at several times the rates of whites.
Innocent people DO have a reason to be fearful if the system goes after them.
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The "system" certainly isn't going after Kavanaugh, is it. He's a powerful white man, so the "system" will treat him with due deference. And it looks like we'll never get the chance to know if he really is "innocent".
"High school escapade"? Really? Is that you, Orrin Hatch? It's deja vu all over again, isn't it, Senator?
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I'm a big believer in due process, and that someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept seems to be irrelevant in this case, where accusation=guilt.
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Never mind. This is just all too exhausting.
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The "system" certainly isn't going after Kavanaugh, is it. He's a powerful white man
The race card? Really?
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As you've yourself said before, "If the shoe fits..."
But to be fair, I don't think race is an issue here. Gender certainly is, though.
I thought Trump supporters wanted to kick out all of the "elites". Kavanaugh is as elite as they come. Privileged, well connected, prep school boy, entitled, etc.
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Well, who the heck can be a SC judge if you are not educated and become Elite. Clarence Thomas went through this same crock of Horse Shit and he is Black and I guess not Privileged?
I am so tired of all this "Selective Moral Outrage"
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Then just who are the "elites" that Trump supporters want to kick out?
I happened to be listening to Bill Maher the other night, and he posed an interesting theory: Liberals think the "elites" are the 1 percenters. Trump supporters think the "elites" are the "educated", and this is why Trump boasted about how he loves "the poorly educated". Rerun, your last post pretty much proves Mr. Maher right. You seem to be saying that if you're highly educated, then you "become Elite". Are doctors and lawyers "the Elites", by that definition? And does "being elite" give you permission to be so gross toward women?
I'd love to know if it is true that all young men behave in this sort of fashion because that's what we are being told. "Boys will be boys" and such. So, you guys here on IHD, did any of you get roaring drunk, pin a 15 year old girl to the bed, start pulling her clothes off her while also putting your hand over her mouth so that she couldn't scream for help? I mean, that's what 17 year old guys do, right? Right????
Neil Gorsuch was Trump's nominee for the stolen SCOTUS vacancy when Scalia died. He's roughly the same age as Kavanaugh and is also "elite". There was a LOT of protest surrounding his nomination for obvious reasons (that seat was stolen!), but no woman came forward when he was going through the confirmation process, accusing him of trying to assault her. So why, if Dr. Ford's accusation is nothing more than a lie spewed for political purposes, was there no such move against Gorsuch? Why be "selectively morally outraged" just at Kavanaugh?
I think Kavanaugh did it but was too drunk to remember.
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The Democrats are "mad as hell that" that Hillary lost. Schumer was videoed saying that the Democrats would not accept Kavanaugh under any circumstances and would "by any means necessary" see that he was never a Justice. Hollywood jumped on board; TV talk shows jumped on board and millenniums who scorn having a job of any kind, jumped on board. The common thread here is that we are in the doldrums of summer and there's not a lot to do so..............I don't know.........let's find someone else in Trump's administration to destroy.....yeah, it'll be fun for a while and then we can move on.
Bill Maher ? Really? What a waste of bandwidth.
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The Democrats are "mad as hell that" that Hillary lost.
Naw, we're past that. It's not about Hillary. It's about Trump.
Schumer was videoed saying that the Democrats would not accept Kavanaugh under any circumstances and would "by any means necessary" see that he was never a Justice.
Good! That's straight out of Mitch's playbook. What goes around, comes around.
Hollywood jumped on board; TV talk shows jumped on board and millenniums who scorn having a job of any kind, jumped on board. The common thread here is that we are in the doldrums of summer and there's not a lot to do so..............I don't know.........let's find someone else in Trump's administration to destroy.....yeah, it'll be fun for a while and then we can move on.
This just doesn't make sense. People in Trump's administration don't need anyone's help to self-destruct! LOL!
Bill Maher ? Really? What a waste of bandwidth.
So, is he wrong? How do YOU define "elite"?
And why in hell is Kavanaugh on Fox News? That's just nuts.
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@MooseMom I try not to label folks with anything. Nobody exists as their label. Most people have a life and are just not that interested in politics. Politicians are liars, cheats, self-absorbed con artists and living very well on your tax dollars. .I'm out of this "conversation"!
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But Lulu, you are one of our nicest contributors, so, please dont leave. We would miss you.
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@MooseMom I try not to label folks with anything. Nobody exists as their label. Most people have a life and are just not that interested in politics. Politicians are liars, cheats, self-absorbed con artists and living very well on your tax dollars. .I'm out of this "conversation"!
That's a very good and eloquent answer with which I agree 100%! :2thumbsup;
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Of course... MM got rid of a conservative. Just like MM would love to be rid of Kavanaugh.
I don't know why the Republicans don't just Put the vote up. It will be no different then it would have been six months ago. The Dems will not vote for anyone Trumps nominates.
Very Sad!
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Not that it's about tit for tat, but you might want to recall how YOUR team handled Merrick Garland, Obama's choice for Supreme Court justice--legitimately nominated by the president a whopping 290 before the end of his term. Let's not whine too loud about this.
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Of course... MM got rid of a conservative. Just like MM would love to be rid of Kavanaugh.
I had to read this three times before it dawned on me that maybe you were saying that I got "rid" of lulu and that my previous post agreed with/applauded her decision to be "out of the conversation." To be fair, I can see how someone might interpret my post that way, now that I've reread it. But I can assure both you and lulu that was not what I meant. I apologize for the murkiness of my post. I meant to agree with her that "nobody exists as their label", etc.
But you are right in that I'd love to be rid of Kavanaugh.
I don't know why the Republicans don't just Put the vote up. It will be no different then it would have been six months ago. The Dems will not vote for anyone Trumps nominates.
Very Sad!
The Judiciary Committee has to be seen to be mindful of the accusations against Kavanaugh before they will allow the confirmation to proceed. They will do this on Thursday, they will completely dismiss Dr. Ford's testimony, and the nomination will go to the full Senate probably next week where Mitch McConnell has already promised to ram the vote through.
Do you ever ask yourself why there has been so much angst around Kavanaugh but not Gorsuch? That's the question that's really relevant here. Gorsuch is the one who was given the stolen seat, yet there was certainly not all of this hoopla about HIM. So, why Kavanaugh? There's something there, something dirty, something creepy, something not right. And in my mind, he looked even creepier on Fox News. That really put me off. It was like he was out there lobbying for himself, and it came off as being unprofessional and slightly grubby. There is not a single opinion of Gorsuch's that I have agreed with, but at least he is a dignified man. Kavanaugh is not. He requested that interview with Fox himself, and it reeked of desperation.
And why is Trump sticking with him? There are other nominees on his list from the Federalist Society that would be more conservative than Kavanaugh, but Trump is going to stick with this guy. Why?
I think you're right that the Dems will not vote for anyone that Trump nominates, and I agree with k&s that it's because of what happened with Merrick Garland. It's unfortunate that it has turned out that way. On the one hand, there are Dems who feel that "our side" should not emulate the Republicans and how they were so obstructionist when Obama was in office. On the other, the Dems now have a hardened base that mirrors that of the Republicans and therefore feel that they should fight in the gutter in the same way that the Congressional GOP has done. There are few centrists left. If one thinks that the nation was polarized under Obama, that's nothing to what we are now. It IS sad, and I predict that under Trump, things will not change. Neither base wants to see their Congresspeople back down.
Again, I apologize if I had given the impression that I wanted to be rid of lulu. Nothing is further from the truth! I like hearing the thoughts of people who vehemently disagree with me! Otherwise, it is just dull.
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Okay, MM now I see what you were saying. All good.
I just want to say to all the Congress..... Those who have not sinned... cast the first stone.
I think all people would have to get up and leave. I don't think Kavanaugh did any of the sexual accusations. Part of me wants to say to dems.. "Is that all you could come up with"? Anyway, I think he is a good man and would make a wonderful SC Judge. But, I doubt that his nomination will go through. We have a few Republicans who should just turn over to democrats like Susan Collins. You can HAVE her.
If they just want to wait until after the Midterms then I'm for that.
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The accusations include what Bill Cosby did. He’s going to prison and the rebulicans want to send Kavanaugh to the SC.
But what else am I to expect from a party who nominated a pediaphile for the senate and had trump indorse him.
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I believed Bill Cosby until about the 50th woman came forward with the same story.
I don't believe these women about Kavanaugh. Wait 35 years to say anything? And then what he is accused is not a crime? Plus accusations were made when he was under age? No. I don't believe them. I think the women are getting paid from the Dems which doesn't surprise me since it is known that the protesters get paid.
Plus there are over 100 women coming out IN support of Kavanaugh as to what a Gentleman he was and Kind to everyone. Plus, 40 years of exemplary work record and all he has done to make sure women get a boost up in the law field.
I think this is actually bringing people who say they are Democraps to their senses and are gong to vote Republican.
:welcomesign;
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And the republican senate canadate was a fine upstanding pedaphile. Thomas and Kavanaugh two fine Supreme Court perverts.
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Dr. Ford's voice is shaky, she is visibly terrified. Yet, no tears or snot. No kleenix used.
Sorry, as a woman... this seems to me impossible.
FAKE!
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If there is suspicion that Dr. Ford is getting paid, then the FBI can reopen the background check and investigate this claim.
Oh, wait... ::)
You do realize that if Dr. Ford gets all snotty and teary during her testimony, there would be people who would claim that she's just "acting".
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The whining of the republican right about how some one should act is another example of the boys will be boys attitude that allows perverts to become thr Presidunce and sit on scotus. There are are witnesses to the actions of a rich self centered teenager who lived out his perverted fantasies against younger girls . These witnesses are not being heard and the fbi is not being allowed to investigate the facts of the matter because the republican leadership wants to ram this process through before the next election. Oh well we will have to wait till January when a new hopefully democratic house and senate can investigate Kavanaugh find out what really happened. And if there is credible evidence that the women are right, impeach his ass too.
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As an "older" woman, I am sitting here listening to Kavanaugh. I missed the girls, but I am sure it will be re-shown. I believe he is completely innocent. He is a TOTAL NERD. But, good for him.
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Brett had tears and true snot! And he is a MAN. He is telling the truth.
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1. It is really interesting to watch how "Trumpy" Kavanaugh is being in his testimony. Really defiant, angry and blaming the Democrats. Right out of Trump's playbook. That's what their extended meetings must have been about, Trump advising Kavanaugh to be like him.
2. Kavanaugh didn't answer Feinstein's question about why did wouldn't insist upon further investigation by the FBI. I truly don't understand why Republican's are refusing to ask the FBI to reopen their background check. It should be easy for the FBI to ascertain the validity of Dr. Ford's claims, or, at the very least, refute them altogether. They could certainly find out if she is flat out lying. Can anyone here offer an explanation for why Kavanaugh has not asked for the FBI to reopen their investigation? It wouldn't be that hard, nor would it take much time.
3. Why would Dr. Ford lie? I've asked that very question several times, but no one here has offered a plausible explanation. Kavanaugh has every reason to lie, but she does not.
4. Gosh, Judge K sure is shouting a lot. I certainly understand that he must be under an inordinate amount of pressure, but he's starting to lose his composure. Dr. Ford was under even more pressure, but she handled it deftly. I'm not sure if K is telling the truth or not, but I don't think I want someone with his temperament sitting on the SCOTUS. I hope he will be able to calm down.
5. By blaming the Democrats for his current predicament, he is not reassuring anyone that he will be an "impartial" Supreme Court Judge. If he is confirmed, all of his opinions will be forever tainted with the brush of partisanship. This in and of itself, is cause to deny his confirmation. Blaming Democrats will prove to be a terrible mistake on his part.
6. I'm not a fan of this form of questioning. It's a shame that GOP senators felt like they had to "hire a female" to do their questioning for them. #weak/doyourowndamnjob. LOL!
7. Judge Brett "True Snot" Kavanaugh! Oh, that's magic! I can't top that, so well done you! haha!!
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7. Judge Brett "True Snot" Kavanaugh! Oh, that's magic! I can't top that, so well done you! haha!!
I am so glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
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1. That's Rerun's genius at work. Ya can't deny she has a wicked since of humor.
2. Seriously though, can you imagine if Dr. Ford behaved the way T.S. Kavanaugh is behaving? She would have long ago been summarily dismissed as "hysterical". And Lindsey Graham! All shouty and finger jabby.
3. Senators on both sides are decrying the "process" as "unfair". I tend to agree, which is probably another good reason to just stop, rethink, and start again. Now we can all see what happens when a SCOTUS nomination is pushed through too quickly.
4. Wait a mo. Where's Ms. Mitchell? She questioned Dr. Ford throughout her entire testimony, but that's not the case for T.S.K. Why doesn't she get to continue until his testimony has concluded? What's going on here? Why are the GOP senators using their question time to just yell at Democrats? I suppose they know Trump is watching.
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I'm sharing this hear because I just learned about it and looked into the SCOTUS docket for next month.
THIS is why they want to ram through the Kavanaugh confirmation. This comes before the SCOTUS next month. The PO(TU)S wants to be SURE that he cannot be tried in state courts for federal criminal offenses. BOOM. There you have it.
Everyone he is getting big bucks to lie please read and share!
SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE, THEY CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS! THIS should be in everyone's newsfeed!! What’s the rush with Kavanaugh you say ? Why not investigate ? Here is why: So it is now very clear why the GOP is so desperate to get Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court by next month that they would schedule a vote before hearing from Dr. Ford or any other witness that comes forward. BIG STAKES HERE... if you check out SCOTUSblog, you will see that on next month's docket is: Gamble v. U.S., No. 17-646. Issue(s): Whether the Supreme Court should overrule the "separate sovereigns" exception to the double jeopardy clause. They are desperate. The plan was to appoint Kavanaugh early this week so that he would be seated in time for this ruling. It was in the bag. Saves everyone involved from state charges. Not only Trump but all políticos who were knowingly enriched by the $$$ funneled through the NRA into the coffers of McConnell, Graham, Rubio, Ryan, etc. So if Kavanaugh gets appointed he’d effectively vote to stop states from charging Trump or anyone else involved.
Obstruction of justice. SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE
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F. Chuck Schumer made it very clear that whomever Trump nominated he would do everything in his power to destroy him/her. That is why the Dems waited to see if they could stump Kavanaugh but that didn't work so they brought this out. If Trump would have nominated a woman .... she would have been the one who threw Ford down on the bed and tried to take her cloths off.....
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Yea Schumer is much worse then the republicans who sat on Obama’s nominee for months, the first time a nominee was not even given the courtesy of a hearing. So if Schumer used parliamentary skills to obstruct the perverts nomination after all the republicans obstructed Merlon Garland nomination. Oh well a real investigation after the new Congress is installed in January. If that investigation finds these allocations have a basis in reality, a life time appointment can be impeached.
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Yes, at least the Republicans didn't let Obama nominate a baby killer and same sex lover only to destroy his life by maybe saying he was actually seen at Church or a Bible Study. That would be like accusing a Good Man of Rape in the left. No! A lame duck President cannot nominate a SCJ. 2018 is not a Presidential election year. It is a midterm. You have no common sense of that.
I was in the car trying to leave for dialysis with the people who come get me and this guy needed to talk to me about an HOA issue. I told him, 'no', I'd have to do it later and he would not let up. He went on and on and on. Would not take 'no' for an answer. I thought OMG he must be a Democrat!
An FBI investigation would only delay MORE and not change one vote. If Dr. Ford came out and said she was flat lying. It would not change one vote. Common Decency is gone.
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The rule about nominations is not historically accurate. Never before in this nation has a Supreme Court nomination been ignored by the senate. Since it appears Flake, Collins, and Mirkowski all seem to be leaning on voting no this current nomination may be dead. If not if a careful examination of the evidence indicates the allogations are true the house can always impeach after the midterms. Problem about republicans is they think stopping Garland nomination was good politics thr Dems think it was a new escalation in the war between the parties, when the Dems respond the whining from the right is incredible.
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If the Kavanaugh Nomination does not pass, I hope Trump Nominates Garland. I also hope we have a red wave in the mid-terms. Then see what happens to Garland. That is an evil thought but YOU drove me to it! >:D
I couldn't believe Trump caved to the FBI investigation. Yet, it was not enough. The left wants no limits on time or scope. What a bunch of Toddlers.
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If the Kavanaugh Nomination does not pass, I hope Trump Nominates Garland. I also hope we have a red wave in the mid-terms. Then see what happens to Garland. That is an evil thought but YOU drove me to it! >:D
I couldn't believe Trump caved to the FBI investigation. Yet, it was not enough. The left wants no limits on time or scope. What a bunch of Toddlers.
👍👍
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Trump needs Kavanaugh and he needs him NOW! The SCOTUS is slated to review a case next month before the midterms that will have a huge impact on Trump and his cronies and he wants to have his pick seated well before that happens.
You can read about it here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/)
Of course I realize that asking you to read something isn't kosher, Rerun.
So, to summarize, Trump wants to have the SCOTUS with a conservative majority so that he will be able to pardon all his friends who have plead guilty to all manner of crimes.
Aleta
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To prove Muellar is smarter then trump when he started the investigation he shared information with the New York Attorney General and the current Attorney General of New York is rumored to be ready to present fraud and tax evasion case against the entire trump family. Plus Manafort and Flynn and Gates have also committed tax fraud against New York. Trump pardons anyone more than likely state charges will be filed, the kicker is the Presidunce has no power to pardon state crimes that power is in the hands of Andrew Cuomo who I doubt will pardon any of these people.
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The general theory in Europe is that whoever wins this argument, loses - and whoever loses, wins. If Kavanaugh is blocked from the post, many voters will see this as the Democrats interfering with the judicial process and end up voting Republican as a result. However if he gets the job many people will see this as the Republican party being anti-women and pro-rape, so will switch to voting Democrat.
Short answer: be careful what you wish for.
Long answer: Play the long game. Do you want a perfect result with Kavanaugh, or do you want your party to win the next and future elections and mid-terms? Will winning now mean it is many, many, elections before the party you support returns to power?
Life is s*** and then you die. Politics is even s***ier.
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But in May 2006, as Republicans hoped to finally push Kavanaugh's nomination across the finish line, the ABA downgraded its endorsement.
The group's judicial investigator had recently interviewed dozens of lawyers, judges and others who had worked with Kavanaugh, the ABA announced at the time, and some of them raised red flags about "his professional experience and the question of his freedom from bias and open-mindedness."
"One interviewee remained concerned about the nominee's ability to be balanced and fair should he assume a federal judgeship," the ABA committee chairman wrote to senators in 2006. "Another interviewee echoed essentially the same thoughts: '(He is) immovable and very stubborn and frustrating to deal with on some issues.'"
https://m.mysanantonio.com/news/article/The-American-Bar-Association-had-concerns-about-13268211.php
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To prove Muellar is smarter then trump when he started the investigation he shared information with the New York Attorney General and the current Attorney General of New York is rumored to be ready to present fraud and tax evasion case against the entire trump family. Plus Manafort and Flynn and Gates have also committed tax fraud against New York. Trump pardons anyone more than likely state charges will be filed, the kicker is the Presidunce has no power to pardon state crimes that power is in the hands of Andrew Cuomo who I doubt will pardon any of these people.
One of the reasons the GOP wants to ram this nomination through is because of a case coming before the SCOTUS next month regarding double jeopardy with Federal and State cases. If pardoned at one level, a person cannot be tried at the other! The PO(TU)S wants to be able to get his guys off. And he wants to make the way clearer for him to not have to face state charges.
Until a strong right wing judge fills Kennedy's vacancy, the outcome of that case is in the air.
The general theory in Europe is that whoever wins this argument, loses - and whoever loses, wins. If Kavanaugh is blocked from the post, many voters will see this as the Democrats interfering with the judicial process and end up voting Republican as a result. However if he gets the job many people will see this as the Republican party being anti-women and pro-rape, so will switch to voting Democrat.
Short answer: be careful what you wish for.
Long answer: Play the long game. Do you want a perfect result with Kavanaugh, or do you want your party to win the next and future elections and mid-terms? Will winning now mean it is many, many, elections before the party you support returns to power?
Having Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS will have repercussions for the rights of women and people of color for generations. It looks like a Catch 22.
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There is no way Kavanaugh will get in by next month. So this upcoming case is null to Kavanaugh. The fact that someone can accuse you of something and just because it is a woman in this "me too" movement is very dangerous. This country is based on Innocent until proven guilty.
So the kid who shot up Freeman HS here, killed one boy who tried to talk him out of it. He wounded 3 high school girls. The Janitor got the gun away from him. Hundreds of witnesses. Yet, he is pleading NOT GUILTY? So, he is innocent until proven guilty. He will probably get off....
Yet, This woman comes out of nowhere in plenty of time to be in the realm of investigations, but the Dems use the shock of the 11th hour to throw this at Kavanaugh. Hype it up and crucify him. Ruin his life and reputation. Without one shred of evidence.
How can you not see the Hypocrisy?
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Without one shred of evidence.
Regarding "evidence" Are you looking for torn clothes or what?
Most of America believe that catholic priests abused children on the same type of evidence provided against Kavanaugh and the have been defrocked despite the statute of limitations running out on their crimes. Being any sort of judge is a privilege and should be treated as such.
FYI: My employer has the right to terminate me should my actions reflect badly on them, and they have the right to not hire someone should they think that person would reflect badly on the company.
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Yet, he is pleading NOT GUILTY?
Standard procedure for the obviously guilty. Allows time for the defense to negotiate some sort of "payment" for the guilty plea - life instead of the needle; life with possible parole vs life without; etc.
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Kavanaugh's behavior at the hearing showed him to be a despicable human being. I don't need any more evidence than that (although there is lots of corroboration) to bar him from the bench. He's a nasty, debauched piece of work
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:rofl; You guys are so funny! This is one of the most amusing threads I have read in quite a while. Thanks!
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There is no way Kavanaugh will get in by next month.
As of TODAY McConnell is still saying the Senate vote on Kavanaugh's appointment will happen THIS WEEK.
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Yes, the vote will happen. But, CNN just reported that in his College years.... HE THREW ICE at someone! NO NOT ICE! Hey, prove it! Where is the ICE!
:rofl; :rofl;
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The vote may happen but if Flake, Collins, Mirkowski all vote no Kavanaugh is rejected. It appears not only is he insane but clearly a liar. Not only should he be rejected but should resign from the court of appeals. Even if he wins impeachment is in his future.
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:rofl; My goodness.........such a criminal offense...........throwing ice at someone! Let's take away his livelihood forever!
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:rofl; My goodness.........such a criminal offense...........throwing ice at someone! Let's take away his livelihood forever!
Ice can do as much harm as a brick. You wanna say that throwing a brick at someone is OK?
Also, ice is hard enough to kill if thrown correctly (or incorrectly, depending on your intention). You wanna drop "murder" from the list of current criminal offences?
(Also, I think Rerun was being funny.)
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The question is not one of criminal charges but of character and honesty. He has repeatedly lied about his past. It was just harmless hijinks why is he being caught up about his past with lies that without a fbi probe. Remember he was trumps choice and we have seen how good trump is in filling positions. The White House did not need air conditioning this summer because the revolving door for his appointments has been spinning like a top. He has picked crooks, and with Kavanaugh he has picked a lieing pervert. And lieing in a senate is a crime, perjury. This is not a simple job to fill but the court needs better minds then a frat boy. I would not have picked Scalia but he was the real deal a conservative Judge who raised the discourse on the court. Simply put Scalia was brilliant.
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Perjury is going to bite Dr. Ford's ass. She has lied about everything. Her old boyfriend has come forward saying she coached a friend in front of him on how to beat a polygraph test. The other accusers should also face perjury for lying about Kavanaugh. No corroboration in any of their testimonies.
I doesn't matter no votes will change. And you are correct that the 3 weasel Republicans may vote no and then Kavanaugh is done.... for now. After the mid term red wave Trump can nominate him again. We have one Dem Senator up for reelection. She may lose. I hope so.
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Her old boyfriend has come forward saying she coached a friend in front of him on how to beat a polygraph test.
Really? I just wish you would take a little time to peruse some other news than good old Fox!
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/kavanaugh/card/1538577632 (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/kavanaugh/card/1538577632)
This is the Wall Street Journal, a right leaning newspaper. But, of course, it means some reading. It is just so much easier to listen to the spin doctors at Fox.
I have rarely encountered anyone who seems so willfully ignorant. And please understand that I have no problem with ignorance. That is simply a state of lack of knowledge. We are ALL ignorant of some things. Willful ignorance is different, though. That is resistance to learning new things, or even being smug about the disinterest in learning.
But, hey, if it makes you happy. Have at it.
My mother was legally blind. That did not stop her from continuing to educate herself throughout life. While we had differing opinions on many things, I would never have called her willfully ignorant.
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Yes one democratic senator is behind in the polls, but Cruz is in a real race in Texas, Nevada, West Virginia, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Arizona are either Democrats in the lead or a dead heat. We can loose Montana and still take the senate. So don’t gloat about one senator when so many republican seats are in jeopardy.
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So Rerun, we are just the illiterate, uneducated who refuse to learn and are willfully ignorant. I suppose we would be put in re-education camps if they could just take those darn guns.
To my Liberal friends here. You can call me ignorant if you wish and I won't be upset because I see you as a disabled person, your brains are wired differently and it doesn't allow you to see how pieces of the puzzle fit.
BTW = I went to the Trump rally Tuesday night, 10,000 in a 10,000 capacity venue. It was GREAT!!
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Cowdog... I was laughing before you posted and now I'm rolling. Funny, because I think WT is willfully ignorant too and mean. I have a hard time seeing. So she is mocking me. Hey, she can have at it. I refuse to read all her 59 links because she has to back up every thought that comes into her tiny head.
:rofl; All we can do is pray for the meek.
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My worry is the right will take away my medical coverage and ESRD will kill me. The right has tried to do that numerous time in the last 18 months. The only thing that has stopped them is 48 democratic senators and 3 republican senetors who had the courage to stand up to the rights attempt to make their donors richer.
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Study: Watching Fox News makes you less informed than watching no news at all. (MSNBC and CNN aren't much better.)
https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5 (https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5)
To set the record straight, my intention was not to mock you. I WAS making observations based on previous comments you have made. I also said that there is nothing wrong with ignorance. I am certainly ignorant of much more than I would like.
I never threw insults at you, Rerun, like saying that you have a tiny head, or that you are mean. Goodness.
So, peruse the link, or not. It doesn't matter to me. But if all you will do is make excuses for WHY you are not willing to learn more about things, I will stand by my assessment that you are willfully ignorant. I'm sorry if that seems like an insult. I can see why you might take it that way.
You can make those accusations about me or call me disabled (as did Cowdog), but I regularly peruse news outlets from both sides of the aisle to reduce any partisan ignorance that arises from being in a bubble.
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WT, to call you an 'Elitist' would be an insult. Yet you would probably take it as a compliment.
One definition of an 'Elitist' (and I'm sure you can find 59 links disputing this) is:
The belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite, are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others. Elitism is the belief or attitude that individuals who form an elite --- a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality, high intellect, wealth, special skills, or experience --- are more likely to be constructive to society as a whole, and therefore deserve influence or authority greater than that of others.
Now, say this with a Thurston Howell voice.... and this is WT ... and proud of it.
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Your definition of elitist covers trump, Koch brothers, most of the cabinet and a majority of Republican senators. Elites can be republican or democrats, The difference is republicans want to run our lives by mandating who we marry, if abortion is legal, ban the sick from medical marijuana. Heck they even want to allow companies to make more money by killing our ability to live. Rember the people whose line you are supporting want to allow insurance companies to make more money by charging any one over 50 premiums 5x higher then those under 50. Plus with preexisting conditions allowed to be denied heck most of us here would be uninsurable. Not even mentioning the cuts they want to make in Medicare and Medicaid. Sure I hate right wing republicans they want to kill me so their donors will make a bigger profit.
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And your people want Open Borders, Free Health Care, Free College, and Higher taxes, no industry that may harm the environment and more drugs. Utopia!
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WT, to call you an 'Elitist' would be an insult. Yet you would probably take it as a compliment.
One definition of an 'Elitist' (and I'm sure you can find 59 links disputing this) is:
The belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite, are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others. Elitism is the belief or attitude that individuals who form an elite --- a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality, high intellect, wealth, special skills, or experience --- are more likely to be constructive to society as a whole, and therefore deserve influence or authority greater than that of others.
Now, say this with a Thurston Howell voice.... and this is WT ... and proud of it.
Whelp. First time I've been called an elitist! :rofl; :rofl;
Interesting, because I don't believe that some people are intrinsically better than others, and therefore more deserving. I DO realize that through no fault or effort, some people are born with privilege. My goal in life has been to break down the power structures that go with that privilege. That is one of the reasons I went into education, because education is a powerful equalizer.
If it makes you feel good to consider me an elitist, by all means do so. It doesn't hurt me, and I find it rather humorous.
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One point the bottom line is if the democrats get their way I wii still be alive, if the republicans and their owners get their way my monthly insurance premium would be over $2000 a month or $24000 a year, and if my insurance would drop if I missed a 2000 dollar payment because they want to allow insurance companies to enforce pre existing conditions ban my weekly costs for dialysis would soar to 13500 a week 702,000 dollars a year using Fresinius 4500 uninsured patient rate. How many patients could even afford the 2000 a month insurance. Even with just Medicare I would owe 240 a week for the 20 % copay. That comes to 12000 plus dollars a year. Plus 160 a month for Medicare, that’s a additional 2000 a year on top of the 12000. Yea the republicans are fine people and if they and their corporate owners get their way my days on dialysis are numbered.
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These are the books that this willingly Ignorant person has read this year.
1. Liars, Leakers, and Liberals by Jeanine Pirro
2. Killing the Deep State by Jerome R. Corsi PhD
3. Prairie Fires by Caroline Fraser (The Laura Ingalls Wilder Story
4. Wizard: The Life of Nikola Tesla by Marc J Seifer
5. A Life Beyond Amazing by David Jeremiah
6. Grit by Angela Duckworth ( the power of passion and perseverance)
7. Knowledge in a Nutshell by Charles Reichblum (True Trivia)
8. The Glass Castle by Jannette Walls (Memoir)
9. Born a Crime by Trevor Noah (Memior)
10. The Chamberlain Key by Timothy Smith (Unlocking the God Code)
11. Now Listening to Half Broke Horses by Jannette Walls (True Novel)
I challenge you to read a book of my choice and I will listen to a book of your choice. You have the advantage of skimming where I have to listen to each word.
:waiting;
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It has been two years Orange Beak .... you are still alive.
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I challenge you to read a book of my choice and I will listen to a book of your choice. You have the advantage of skimming where I have to listen to each word.
Nope. My reading list is already too long. Besides, it is doubtful that whatever we selected would change each other's minds in any way. And I got way behind in my reading while I was suffering from Lyme. During those years reading was slow and arduous. I'm still trying to catch up.
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I am alive because all the democrats, Snow, Murkowski, and McCain voted down the fabulous Republican Obama care replacement. It allowed insurance companies to charge 5 times the standard charge for any one over 50, and preexisting conditions could have been denied. The bottom line is fantastic premiums, and if you did need to change insurance companies you would have been out of luck. This occurred despite the Presidunce campaign promises that the protections in place from Obama care would continue in the Republican replacement. The ugly fact you overlook is I have insurance today because the democrats in the senate and 3 rouge Republican senators, once the bill was killed the Presidunce tried to punish the three who voted it down. Murkowski was threatened in having Federal funding to Alaska cut, Mccain was constantly demeaned in speeches and Twitter rants. You may not like liberal democrats but we are here organized and dedicated to eliminate this cancer on the American politic.
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Oh, oh, Michael. I just realized that your profile says that you are an Elite Member. Dang. I thought I was supposed to be the elite one.
:rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
And I am appalled that an administrator thinks it okay to call you "Orange Beak." It looks like the insults are being slung right and left.
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Ok you will not take me up on my challenge. Hmmm I guess you are just too good to lower yourself. With Lyme you got behind with your reading? Well, you could have listened to them like I do because of my horrible eye sight. You learn to work around things to continue learning. Remember?...
Orange Beak is a nickname of admiration.
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I spent 40 years as a Unix system programmer or admin, the penguin is the symbol for Linux which is a close cousin of Unix. I still play around in the kernel of my old Mac for fun and giggles OS X is a direct Unix descendent. I don’t care what you call me as long as it’s not a Republican after living through 2 major economic down turns caused by Republicans. After Regan Bush collapse in 1991 which led to bank failures and a ressesion that took Clinton 6 years to fix. 2000 another Bush another collapse this one only exceeded by 1929 Great Depression. Obama needed 8 years to fix that mess. 2016 trump comes along and repeats the same stupidity massive tax cuts with no decrease in spending if it follows the same path 4 years from now the economy will implode again. Today you can see the future in rising bond yields which will make the tax cuts even more expensive in the past there was a gradual increase in the interest paid on bonds until the deficit was taking most of the money out of the economy and the the banks started to fail. Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing and expecting different results.
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Orange Beak is a nickname of admiration.
As is elitist, I imagine. :2thumbsup;
And while I don't need to explain myself to you, since you are ignorant of the symptoms of Lyme, a 24/7 migraine means even sound is extremely painful, so no, there was no work-around for reading. Indeed, the light of the television was often too painful to bear. It took years of grit and determination (and massive doses of antibiotics) to get myself out of that condition and I am not willing to spend any of my time reading anything but what I choose. You can try to twist that into whatever evil (or elitist) intent you wish. That only reflects on you. Your opinion of me has little bearing on my life. So think what you like, and post what you like about me.
Even ban me from the forum. Lock this thread. I don't really care. The people I DO care about know who I am, my principles, and my integrity.
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Love you and pray for you WT. I'm glad you are feeling better.