Anthony Kennedy Retires

[Michael Murphy]

The rule about nominations is not historically accurate.  Never before in this nation has a Supreme Court nomination been ignored by the senate.  Since it appears Flake, Collins, and Mirkowski all seem to be leaning on voting no this current nomination may be dead.   If not if a careful examination of the evidence indicates the allogations are true the house can always impeach after the midterms.  Problem about republicans is they think stopping Garland nomination was good politics thr Dems think it was a new escalation in the war between the parties,  when the Dems respond the whining from the right is incredible.

[Rerun]

If the Kavanaugh Nomination does not pass, I hope Trump Nominates Garland.  I also hope we have a red wave in the mid-terms.  Then see what happens to Garland.  That is an evil thought but YOU drove me to it!    

I couldn't believe Trump caved to the FBI investigation.  Yet, it was not enough.  The left wants no limits on time or scope.  What a bunch of Toddlers. 

[lulu836]

If the Kavanaugh Nomination does not pass, I hope Trump Nominates Garland.  I also hope we have a red wave in the mid-terms.  Then see what happens to Garland.  That is an evil thought but YOU drove me to it!    

I couldn't believe Trump caved to the FBI investigation.  Yet, it was not enough.  The left wants no limits on time or scope.  What a bunch of Toddlers.

👍👍

[willowtreewren]

Trump needs Kavanaugh and he needs him NOW! The SCOTUS is slated to review a case next month before the midterms that will have a huge impact on Trump and his cronies and he wants to have his pick seated well before that happens.

You can read about it here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/

Of course I realize that asking you to read something isn't kosher, Rerun.

So, to summarize, Trump wants to have the SCOTUS with a conservative majority so that he will be able to pardon all his friends who have plead guilty to all manner of crimes.

Aleta

[Michael Murphy]

To prove Muellar is smarter then trump when he started the investigation he shared information with the New York Attorney General and the current Attorney General of New York is rumored to be ready to present fraud and tax evasion case against the entire trump family.  Plus Manafort and Flynn and Gates have also committed tax fraud against New York.  Trump pardons anyone more than likely state charges will be filed,  the kicker is the Presidunce has no power to pardon state crimes that power is in the hands of Andrew Cuomo who I doubt will pardon any of these people.

[Paul]

The general theory in Europe is that whoever wins this argument, loses - and whoever loses, wins. If Kavanaugh is blocked from the post, many voters will see this as the Democrats interfering with the judicial process and end up voting Republican as a result. However if he gets the job many people will see this as the Republican party being anti-women and pro-rape, so will switch to voting Democrat.

Short answer: be careful what you wish for.

Long answer: Play the long game. Do you want a perfect result with Kavanaugh, or do you want your party to win the next and future elections and mid-terms? Will winning now mean it is many, many, elections before the party you support returns to power?

Life is s*** and then you die. Politics is even s***ier.

[iolaire]

But in May 2006, as Republicans hoped to finally push Kavanaugh's nomination across the finish line, the ABA downgraded its endorsement.

The group's judicial investigator had recently interviewed dozens of lawyers, judges and others who had worked with Kavanaugh, the ABA announced at the time, and some of them raised red flags about "his professional experience and the question of his freedom from bias and open-mindedness."

"One interviewee remained concerned about the nominee's ability to be balanced and fair should he assume a federal judgeship," the ABA committee chairman wrote to senators in 2006. "Another interviewee echoed essentially the same thoughts: '(He is) immovable and very stubborn and frustrating to deal with on some issues.'"





https://m.mysanantonio.com/news/article/The-American-Bar-Association-had-concerns-about-13268211.php

[willowtreewren]

To prove Muellar is smarter then trump when he started the investigation he shared information with the New York Attorney General and the current Attorney General of New York is rumored to be ready to present fraud and tax evasion case against the entire trump family.  Plus Manafort and Flynn and Gates have also committed tax fraud against New York.  Trump pardons anyone more than likely state charges will be filed,  the kicker is the Presidunce has no power to pardon state crimes that power is in the hands of Andrew Cuomo who I doubt will pardon any of these people.

One of the reasons the GOP wants to ram this nomination through is because of a case coming before the SCOTUS next month regarding double jeopardy with Federal and State cases. If pardoned at one level, a person cannot be tried at the other! The PO(TU)S wants to be able to get his guys off. And he wants to make the way clearer for him to not have to face state charges.

Until a strong right wing judge fills Kennedy's vacancy, the outcome of that case is in the air.

The general theory in Europe is that whoever wins this argument, loses - and whoever loses, wins. If Kavanaugh is blocked from the post, many voters will see this as the Democrats interfering with the judicial process and end up voting Republican as a result. However if he gets the job many people will see this as the Republican party being anti-women and pro-rape, so will switch to voting Democrat.

Short answer: be careful what you wish for.

Long answer: Play the long game. Do you want a perfect result with Kavanaugh, or do you want your party to win the next and future elections and mid-terms? Will winning now mean it is many, many, elections before the party you support returns to power?

Having Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS will have repercussions for the rights of women and people of color for generations. It looks like a Catch 22.

[Rerun]

There is no way Kavanaugh will get in by next month.  So this upcoming case is null to Kavanaugh.  The fact that someone can accuse you of something and just because it is a woman in this "me too" movement is very dangerous.  This country is based on Innocent until proven guilty. 

So the kid who shot up Freeman HS here, killed one boy who tried to talk him out of it.  He wounded 3 high school girls.  The Janitor  got the gun away from him.  Hundreds of witnesses.  Yet, he is pleading NOT GUILTY?  So, he is innocent until proven guilty.  He will probably get off....

Yet, This woman comes out of nowhere in plenty of time to be in the realm of investigations, but the Dems use the shock of the 11th hour to throw this at Kavanaugh.  Hype it up and crucify  him.  Ruin his life and reputation.  Without one shred of evidence. 

How can you not see the Hypocrisy? 

[iolaire]

Without one shred of evidence.

Regarding "evidence" Are you looking for torn clothes or what? 

Most of America believe that catholic priests abused children on the same type of evidence provided against Kavanaugh and the have been defrocked despite the statute of limitations running out on their crimes. Being any sort of judge is a privilege and should be treated as such.

FYI:  My employer has the right to terminate me should my actions reflect badly on them, and they have the right to not hire someone should they think that person would reflect badly on the company. 

[Simon Dog]

Yet, he is pleading NOT GUILTY?

Standard procedure for the obviously guilty.   Allows time for the defense to negotiate some sort of "payment" for the guilty plea - life instead of the needle; life with possible parole vs life without; etc.

[kickingandscreaming]

Kavanaugh's behavior at the hearing showed him to be a despicable human being.  I don't need any more evidence than that (although there is lots of corroboration) to bar him from the bench.  He's a nasty, debauched piece of work

[lulu836]

  You guys are so funny!  This is one of the most amusing threads I have read in quite a while.  Thanks!

[willowtreewren]

There is no way Kavanaugh will get in by next month.

As of TODAY McConnell is still saying the Senate vote on Kavanaugh's appointment will happen THIS WEEK.

[Rerun]

Yes, the vote will happen.  But, CNN just reported that in his College years.... HE THREW ICE at someone!  NO NOT ICE!  Hey, prove it!  Where is the ICE!

     

[Michael Murphy]

The vote may happen but if Flake, Collins, Mirkowski all vote no Kavanaugh is rejected.  It appears not only is he insane but clearly a liar.  Not only should he be rejected but should resign from the court of appeals.  Even if he wins impeachment is in his future.

[lulu836]

   My goodness.........such a criminal offense...........throwing ice at someone!  Let's take away his livelihood forever!

[Paul]

  My goodness.........such a criminal offense...........throwing ice at someone!  Let's take away his livelihood forever!

Ice can do as much harm as a brick. You wanna say that throwing a brick at someone is OK?

Also, ice is hard enough to kill if thrown correctly (or incorrectly, depending on your intention). You wanna drop "murder" from the list of current criminal offences?

(Also, I think Rerun was being funny.)

[Michael Murphy]

The question is not one of criminal charges but of character and honesty.  He has repeatedly lied about his past. It was just harmless hijinks why is he being caught up about his past with lies that without a fbi probe.  Remember he was trumps choice and we have seen how good trump is in filling positions.  The White House did not need air conditioning this summer because the revolving door for his appointments has been spinning like a top.  He has picked crooks, and with Kavanaugh he has picked a lieing pervert.  And lieing in a senate is a crime, perjury.  This is not a simple job to fill but the court needs better minds then a frat boy.  I would not have picked Scalia but he was the real deal a conservative Judge who raised the discourse on the court.  Simply put Scalia was brilliant.

[Rerun]

Perjury is going to bite Dr. Ford's ass.  She has lied about everything.  Her old boyfriend has come forward saying she coached a friend in front of him on how to beat a polygraph test.  The other accusers should also face perjury for lying about Kavanaugh.  No corroboration in any of their testimonies.   

I doesn't matter no votes will change.  And you are correct that the 3 weasel Republicans may vote no and then Kavanaugh is done....  for now.  After the mid term red wave Trump can nominate him again.    We have one Dem Senator up for reelection.  She may lose.  I hope so.

[willowtreewren]

Her old boyfriend has come forward saying she coached a friend in front of him on how to beat a polygraph test.

Really? I just wish you would take a little time to peruse some other news than good old Fox!

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/kavanaugh/card/1538577632

This is the Wall Street Journal, a right leaning newspaper. But, of course, it means some reading. It is just so much easier to listen to the spin doctors at Fox.

I have rarely encountered anyone who seems so willfully ignorant. And please understand that I have no problem with ignorance. That is simply a state of lack of knowledge. We are ALL ignorant of some things. Willful ignorance is different, though. That is resistance to learning new things, or even being smug about the disinterest in learning.

But, hey, if it makes you happy. Have at it.

My mother was legally blind. That did not stop her from continuing to educate herself throughout life. While we had differing opinions on many things, I would never have called her willfully ignorant.

[Michael Murphy]

Yes one democratic senator is behind in the polls, but Cruz is in a real race in Texas, Nevada, West Virginia, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee,  Arizona are either Democrats in the lead or a dead heat.  We can loose Montana and still take the senate.  So don’t gloat about one senator when so many republican seats are in jeopardy.

[Cowdog]

So Rerun, we are just the illiterate, uneducated who refuse to learn and are willfully ignorant. I suppose we would be put in re-education camps if they could just take those darn guns.
To my Liberal friends here. You can call me ignorant if you wish and I won't be upset because I see you as a disabled person, your brains are wired differently and it doesn't allow you to see how pieces of the puzzle fit.
BTW = I went to the Trump rally Tuesday night, 10,000 in a 10,000 capacity venue. It was GREAT!!

[Rerun]

Cowdog... I was laughing before you posted and now I'm rolling.  Funny, because I think WT is willfully ignorant too and mean.  I have a hard time seeing.  So she is mocking me.  Hey, she can have at it.  I refuse to read all her 59 links because she has to back up every thought that comes into her tiny head. 

    All we can do is pray for the meek. 

[Michael Murphy]

My worry is the right will take away my medical coverage and ESRD will kill me.  The right has tried to do that numerous time in the last 18 months.  The only thing that has stopped them is 48 democratic senators and 3 republican senetors who had the courage to stand up to the rights attempt to make their donors richer.