Anthony Kennedy Retires

[MooseMom]

Then just who are the "elites" that Trump supporters want to kick out?

I happened to be listening to Bill Maher the other night, and he posed an interesting theory:  Liberals think the "elites" are the 1 percenters.  Trump supporters think the "elites" are the "educated", and this is why Trump boasted about how he loves "the poorly educated".  Rerun, your last post pretty much proves Mr. Maher right.  You seem to be saying that if you're highly educated, then you "become Elite".  Are doctors and lawyers "the Elites", by that definition?  And does "being elite" give you permission to be so gross toward women?

I'd love to know if it is true that all young men behave in this sort of fashion because that's what we are being told.  "Boys will be boys" and such.  So, you guys here on IHD, did any of you get roaring drunk, pin a 15 year old girl to the bed, start pulling her clothes off her while also putting your hand over her mouth so that she couldn't scream for help?  I mean, that's what 17 year old guys do, right?  Right?

Neil Gorsuch was Trump's nominee for the stolen SCOTUS vacancy when Scalia died.  He's roughly the same age as Kavanaugh and is also "elite".  There was a LOT of protest surrounding his nomination for obvious reasons (that seat was stolen!), but no woman came forward when he was going through the confirmation process, accusing him of trying to assault her.  So why, if Dr. Ford's accusation is nothing more than a lie spewed for political purposes, was there no such move against Gorsuch?  Why be "selectively morally outraged" just at Kavanaugh?

I think Kavanaugh did it but was too drunk to remember.

[lulu836]

The Democrats are "mad as hell that" that Hillary lost.  Schumer was videoed saying that the Democrats would not accept Kavanaugh under any circumstances and would "by any means necessary" see that he was never a Justice.  Hollywood jumped on board; TV talk shows jumped on board and millenniums who scorn having a job of any kind, jumped on board.  The common thread here is that we are in the doldrums of summer and there's not a lot to do so..............I don't know.........let's find someone else in Trump's administration to destroy.....yeah, it'll be fun for a while and then we can move on.

Bill Maher ?  Really?  What a waste of bandwidth. 

[MooseMom]

The Democrats are "mad as hell that" that Hillary lost.

Naw, we're past that.  It's not about Hillary.  It's about Trump.

Schumer was videoed saying that the Democrats would not accept Kavanaugh under any circumstances and would "by any means necessary" see that he was never a Justice.

Good!  That's straight out of Mitch's playbook.  What goes around, comes around.

Hollywood jumped on board; TV talk shows jumped on board and millenniums who scorn having a job of any kind, jumped on board.  The common thread here is that we are in the doldrums of summer and there's not a lot to do so..............I don't know.........let's find someone else in Trump's administration to destroy.....yeah, it'll be fun for a while and then we can move on.

This just doesn't make sense.  People in Trump's administration don't need anyone's help to self-destruct!  LOL!

Bill Maher ?  Really?  What a waste of bandwidth.

So, is he wrong?  How do YOU define "elite"?

And why in hell is Kavanaugh on Fox News?  That's just nuts. 

[lulu836]

@MooseMom  I try not to label folks with anything.  Nobody exists as their label.  Most people have a life and are just not that interested in politics.  Politicians are liars, cheats, self-absorbed con artists and living very well on your tax dollars.  .I'm out of this "conversation"! 

[Jean]

 But Lulu, you are one of our nicest contributors, so, please dont leave. We would miss you.

[MooseMom]

@MooseMom  I try not to label folks with anything.  Nobody exists as their label.  Most people have a life and are just not that interested in politics.  Politicians are liars, cheats, self-absorbed con artists and living very well on your tax dollars.  .I'm out of this "conversation"!

That's a very good and eloquent answer with which I agree 100%!   

[Rerun]

Of course... MM got rid of a conservative.   Just like MM would love to be rid of Kavanaugh.

I don't know why the Republicans don't just Put the vote up.  It will be no different then it would have been six months ago.  The Dems will not vote for anyone Trumps nominates.

Very Sad! 

[kickingandscreaming]

Not that it's about tit for tat, but you might want to recall how YOUR team handled Merrick Garland, Obama's choice for Supreme Court justice--legitimately nominated by the president a whopping 290 before the end of his term.  Let's not whine too loud about this.

[MooseMom]

Of course... MM got rid of a conservative.   Just like MM would love to be rid of Kavanaugh.

I had to read this three times before it dawned on me that maybe you were saying that I got "rid" of lulu and that my previous post agreed with/applauded  her decision to be "out of the conversation."  To be fair, I can see how someone might interpret my post that way, now that I've reread it.  But I can assure both you and lulu that was not what I meant.  I apologize for the murkiness of my post.  I meant to agree with her that "nobody exists as their label", etc.

But you are right in that I'd love to be rid of Kavanaugh. 

I don't know why the Republicans don't just Put the vote up.  It will be no different then it would have been six months ago.  The Dems will not vote for anyone Trumps nominates.

Very Sad!

The Judiciary Committee has to be seen to be mindful of the accusations against Kavanaugh before they will allow the confirmation to proceed.  They will do this on Thursday, they will completely dismiss Dr. Ford's testimony, and the nomination will go to the full Senate probably next week where Mitch McConnell has already promised to ram the vote through.

Do you ever ask yourself why there has been so much angst around Kavanaugh but not Gorsuch?  That's the question that's really relevant here.  Gorsuch is the one who was given the stolen seat, yet there was certainly not all of this hoopla about HIM.  So, why Kavanaugh?  There's something there, something dirty, something creepy, something not right.  And in my mind, he looked even creepier on Fox News.  That really put me off.  It was like he was out there lobbying for himself, and it came off as being unprofessional and slightly grubby.  There is not a single opinion of Gorsuch's that I have agreed with, but at least he is a dignified man.  Kavanaugh is not.  He requested that interview with Fox himself, and it reeked of desperation.

And why is Trump sticking with him?  There are other nominees on his list from the Federalist Society that would be more conservative than Kavanaugh, but Trump is going to stick with this guy.  Why? 

I think you're right that the Dems will not vote for anyone that Trump nominates, and I agree with k&s that it's because of what happened with Merrick Garland.  It's unfortunate that it has turned out that way.  On the one hand, there are Dems who feel that "our side" should not emulate the Republicans and how they were so obstructionist when Obama was in office.  On the other, the Dems now have a hardened base that mirrors that of the Republicans and therefore feel that they should fight in the gutter in the same way that the Congressional GOP has done.  There are few centrists left.  If one thinks that the nation was polarized under Obama, that's nothing to what we are now.  It IS sad, and I predict that under Trump, things will not change.  Neither base wants to see their Congresspeople back down.

Again, I apologize if I had given the impression that I wanted to be rid of lulu.  Nothing is further from the truth!  I like hearing the thoughts of people who vehemently disagree with me!  Otherwise, it is just dull.

[Rerun]

Okay, MM now I see what you were saying.  All good. 

I just want to say to all the Congress..... Those who have not sinned... cast the first stone.

I think all people would have to get up and leave.     I don't think Kavanaugh did any of the sexual accusations.  Part of me wants to say to dems.. "Is that all you could come up with"?  Anyway, I think he is a good man and would make a wonderful SC Judge.  But, I doubt that his nomination will go through.  We have a few Republicans who should just turn over to democrats like Susan Collins.  You can HAVE her. 

If they just want to wait until after the Midterms then I'm for that. 

[Michael Murphy]

 The accusations include what Bill Cosby did.   He’s going to prison and the rebulicans want to send Kavanaugh to the SC.
But what else am I to expect from a party who nominated a pediaphile for the senate and had trump indorse him.

[Rerun]

I believed Bill Cosby until about the 50th woman came forward with the same story. 

I don't believe these women about Kavanaugh.  Wait 35 years to say anything?  And then what he is accused is not a crime?  Plus accusations were made when he was under age?  No.  I don't believe them.  I think the women are getting paid from the Dems which doesn't surprise me since it is known that the protesters get paid. 

Plus there are over 100 women coming out IN support of Kavanaugh as to what a Gentleman he was and Kind to everyone.  Plus, 40 years of exemplary work record and all he has done to make sure women get a boost up in the law field. 

I think this is actually bringing people who say they are Democraps to their senses and are gong to vote Republican.

   

[Michael Murphy]

And the republican senate canadate was a fine upstanding pedaphile.  Thomas and Kavanaugh two fine Supreme Court perverts.

[Rerun]

Dr. Ford's voice is shaky, she is visibly terrified.  Yet, no tears or snot.  No kleenix used.

Sorry, as a woman... this seems to me impossible. 

FAKE!

[MooseMom]

If there is suspicion that Dr. Ford is getting paid, then the FBI can reopen the background check and investigate this claim.

Oh, wait... 

You do realize that if Dr. Ford gets all snotty and teary during her testimony, there would be people who would claim that she's just "acting".

[Michael Murphy]

The whining of the republican right about how some one should act is another example of the boys will be boys attitude that allows perverts to become thr Presidunce and sit on scotus.   There are are witnesses to the actions of a rich self centered teenager who lived out his perverted fantasies against younger girls .   These witnesses are not being heard and the fbi is not being allowed to investigate the facts of the matter because the republican leadership wants to ram this process through before the next election.  Oh well we will have to wait till January when a new hopefully democratic house and senate can investigate Kavanaugh find out what really happened.   And if there is credible evidence that the women are right, impeach his ass too.

[Jean]

As an "older" woman, I am sitting here listening to Kavanaugh. I missed the girls, but I am sure it will be re-shown. I believe he is completely innocent. He is a TOTAL NERD. But, good for him.

[Rerun]

Brett had tears and true snot!  And he is a MAN.  He is telling the truth.

[MooseMom]

1.  It is really interesting to watch how "Trumpy" Kavanaugh is being in his testimony.  Really defiant, angry and blaming the Democrats.  Right out of Trump's playbook.  That's what their extended meetings must have been about, Trump advising Kavanaugh to be like him.

2.  Kavanaugh didn't answer Feinstein's question about why did wouldn't insist upon further investigation by the FBI.  I truly don't understand why Republican's are refusing to ask the FBI to reopen their background check.  It should be easy for the FBI to ascertain the validity of Dr. Ford's claims, or, at the very least, refute them altogether.  They could certainly find out if she is flat out lying.  Can anyone here offer an explanation for why Kavanaugh has not asked for the FBI to reopen their investigation?  It wouldn't be that hard, nor would it take much time.

3.   Why would Dr. Ford lie?  I've asked that very question several times, but no one here has offered a plausible explanation.  Kavanaugh has every reason to lie, but she does not.

4.  Gosh, Judge K sure is shouting a lot.  I certainly understand that he must be under an inordinate amount of pressure, but he's starting to lose his composure.  Dr. Ford was under even more pressure, but she handled it deftly.  I'm not sure if K is telling the truth or not, but I don't think I want someone with his temperament sitting on the SCOTUS.  I hope he will be able to calm down.

5.  By blaming the Democrats for his current predicament, he is not reassuring anyone that he will be an "impartial" Supreme Court Judge.  If he is confirmed, all of his opinions will be forever tainted with the brush of partisanship.  This in and of itself, is cause to deny his confirmation.  Blaming Democrats will prove to be a terrible mistake on his part.


6.  I'm not a fan of this form of questioning.  It's a shame that GOP senators felt like they had to "hire a female" to do their questioning for them.  #weak/doyourowndamnjob.  LOL!

7.  Judge Brett "True Snot" Kavanaugh!  Oh, that's magic!  I can't top that, so well done you!  haha!!

[willowtreewren]

7.  Judge Brett "True Snot" Kavanaugh!  Oh, that's magic!  I can't top that, so well done you!  haha!!

I am so glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. 

[MooseMom]

1.  That's Rerun's genius at work.  Ya can't deny she has a wicked since of humor.

2.  Seriously though, can you imagine if Dr. Ford behaved the way T.S. Kavanaugh is behaving?  She would have long ago been summarily dismissed as "hysterical".  And Lindsey Graham!  All shouty and finger jabby.

3.  Senators on both sides are decrying the "process" as "unfair".  I tend to agree, which is probably another good reason to just stop, rethink, and start again.  Now we can all see what happens when a SCOTUS nomination is pushed through too quickly.

4.  Wait a mo.  Where's Ms. Mitchell?  She questioned Dr. Ford throughout her entire testimony, but that's not the case for T.S.K.  Why doesn't she get to continue until his testimony has concluded?  What's going on here?  Why are the GOP senators using their question time to just yell at Democrats?  I suppose they know Trump is watching.

[willowtreewren]

I'm sharing this hear because I just learned about it and looked into the SCOTUS docket for next month.

THIS is why they want to ram through the Kavanaugh confirmation. This comes before the SCOTUS next month. The PO(TU)S wants to be SURE that he cannot be tried in state courts for federal criminal offenses. BOOM. There you have it.

Everyone he is getting big bucks to lie please read and share!

SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE, THEY CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS! THIS should be in everyone's newsfeed!! What’s the rush with Kavanaugh you say ? Why not investigate ? Here is why: So it is now very clear why the GOP is so desperate to get Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court by next month that they would schedule a vote before hearing from Dr. Ford or any other witness that comes forward. BIG STAKES HERE... if you check out SCOTUSblog, you will see that on next month's docket is: Gamble v. U.S., No. 17-646. Issue(s): Whether the Supreme Court should overrule the "separate sovereigns" exception to the double jeopardy clause. They are desperate. The plan was to appoint Kavanaugh early this week so that he would be seated in time for this ruling. It was in the bag. Saves everyone involved from state charges. Not only Trump but all políticos who were knowingly enriched by the $$$ funneled through the NRA into the coffers of McConnell, Graham, Rubio, Ryan, etc. So if Kavanaugh gets appointed he’d effectively vote to stop states from charging Trump or anyone else involved.
Obstruction of justice. SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE

[Rerun]

F. Chuck Schumer made it very clear that whomever Trump nominated he would do everything in his power to destroy him/her.  That is why the Dems waited to see if they could stump Kavanaugh but that didn't work so they brought this out.  If Trump would have nominated a woman .... she would have been the one who threw Ford down on the bed and tried to take her cloths off.....

[Michael Murphy]

Yea Schumer is much worse then the republicans who sat on Obama’s nominee for months, the first time a nominee was not even given the courtesy of a hearing.  So if Schumer used parliamentary skills to obstruct the perverts nomination after all the republicans obstructed Merlon Garland nomination.  Oh well a real investigation after the new Congress is installed in January.  If that investigation finds these allocations have a basis in reality, a life time appointment can be impeached.

[Rerun]

Yes, at least the Republicans didn't let Obama nominate a baby killer and same sex lover only to destroy his life by maybe saying he was actually seen at Church or a Bible Study.  That would be like accusing a Good Man of Rape in the left.  No!  A lame duck President cannot nominate a SCJ.  2018 is not a Presidential election year.  It is a midterm.  You have no common sense of that. 

I was in the car trying to leave for dialysis with the people who come get me and this guy needed to talk to me about an HOA issue.  I told him, 'no', I'd have to do it later and he would not let up.  He went on and on and on.  Would not take 'no' for an answer.   I thought OMG he must be a Democrat! 

An FBI investigation would only delay MORE and not change one vote.  If Dr. Ford came out and said she was flat lying.  It would not change one vote.  Common Decency is gone.