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Off-Topic => Political Debates - Thick Skin Required for Entry => Topic started by: Rerun on October 12, 2017, 07:51:54 AM
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Is the once Golden Boy Harvey Weinstein a Pig or did he just finally get caught. It seems sick and wrong, but how come you never hear Women coming on to these men. That never happens? I would like to see a man come out against a woman making sexual advances to them. I've seen it in bars. Just as disturbing. Especially when it is someone's husband. It takes two. No should be no on either side.
Just my :twocents;
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Is Golden Boy, Donald Trump, a Pig or did he finally get caught?
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Is the once Golden Boy Harvey Weinstein a Pig or did he just finally get caught. It seems sick and wrong, but how come you never hear Women coming on to these men. That never happens? I would like to see a man come out against a woman making sexual advances to them. I've seen it in bars. Just as disturbing. Especially when it is someone's husband. It takes two. No should be no on either side.
Just my :twocents;
Oh my God, really, rerun?
Men LIKE having women coming on to them. That's why they have Ladies' Night in bars.
And yes, Weinstein IS a pig. Watch this, if you dare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8sFfsIiU2s
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Men are just horn dogs and more are born everyday. Do we engineer their DNA to fix that? And now with snap chat and instagram they are learning younger and younger. I imagine it will just get worse.
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I bet he was a HIDDEN Republican! He just acted like a Democrat to get the girls. LOL
:rofl;
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Not all men are “horn dogs” just as all blondes are not dumb. Weinstein is clearly a lout. If there is any justice his next move will be from Bel Air to San Quentin. But I find any attempt to put a group of people in a category is generally flawed.
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Men are often pigs. No question about out.
Women are often golddiggers. When you see a 25 year old blonde in a convertable M3 or Vette, do you immediately think "She must have worked very hard to get to where she is" or do you think "I wonder who she married"?
The classic old school model is men using their power and money to get what they want, and women using their looks and charms to get what they want. Weinstein demonstrates the worst of this.
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Your stereotyping model may reflect some kernel of truth in the TRADITIONAL male/female roles. But with Weinstein (and Trump, Cosby, Ailes, etc) we're not talking about "traditional" values. We're talking about sexual assault and predation and the abuse of power. Both are--or dangle closely-- to the criminal.
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Your stereotyping model may reflect some kernel of truth in the TRADITIONAL male/female roles. But with Weinstein (and Trump, Cosby, Ailes, etc) we're not talking about "traditional" values. We're talking about sexual assault and predation and the abuse of power. Both are--or dangle closely-- to the criminal.
Agreed, they are not "traditional values", but rather the traditional practice of a man using money and power to get sex. His offense was blurring the line of consent. And what of the women who put out to get roles? (I'm assuming not everyone turned him down). What does that make them?
There are three things used to attract a mate: What you have (money/power); what you are like as a person and what you are like physically. Weinstein shows the worst of what can happen when you only offer the first of the three.
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The fact that the practice of men sexually harassing women has become labelled as "traditional practice" is very disturbing.
What does it make a woman who has to "put out" to get a role? It makes her a victim. That this is even a question is also very disturbing...and telling. This is what is known as "victim shaming".
Harvey Weinstein was not trying to attract a mate.
Let's think about the word so often used..."Power". A man may have financial power, but we women know that men often wield physical power. We don't know when a crude joke is just the first red flag, the first warning that something worse is yet to come. "Power" can become "rape" in a heartbeat. It is also "traditional practice" that men use money and PHYSICAL power to get sex. This is one of the first things we girlies learn as we reach our teens.
And where are all of the "good guys"? Why do they disappear when they know there are problems like this, that their wives or girlfriends or just female friends and colleagues are treated like this?
This kind of "traditional practice" exposes these men as what they really are...weak and pitiful, and we're done with the lot of you. What used to be "traditional" is now repudiated and exposed and shamed upon. We are so sick of your dangly bits. We don't want to see them, so put your damn pants back on! ::)
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What does it make a woman who has to "put out" to get a role? It makes her a victim.
Time to be politically incorrect.
If she does so because she is pressured (Weinstein style), it makes her a victim.
If she initiates or suggests sexual contact because she thinks it will get her a role, it makes her something else.
When one party is in a position of power, there is a responsibility not to take advantage of it, even if the other side is offering. Unlike the MD/Patient relationship, there is no objective standard saying you may never date someone in your business who is on a different power level.
And where are all of the "good guys"? Why do they disappear when they know there are problems like this, that their wives or girlfriends or just female friends and colleagues are treated like this?
First off, they are not in the room so they don't hear about it as much as the women. In the case of the Hollywood couples, the choice becomes "do we fight this and deep six two careers at the same time?". It's easy to be idealistic and say what you would do, or what someone should do, if you aren't the one who stands to lose a multi-million dollar payday.
Harvey Weinstein was not trying to attract a mate.
Sure he was ... if you use the definition of "mate" as "someone you mate with", not "life partner".
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Interesting, the double standard at work here in the Weinstein/Trump sexual predator case:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMGNqUgXkAAI2Ix.jpg)
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Funny ... the K&S post could apply to both Bill Clinton and Trump.
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Is the once Golden Boy Harvey Weinstein a Pig or did he just finally get caught. It seems sick and wrong, but how come you never hear Women coming on to these men. That never happens? I would like to see a man come out against a woman making sexual advances to them. I've seen it in bars. Just as disturbing. Especially when it is someone's husband. It takes two. No should be no on either side.
Just my :twocents;
My thoughts as well, Rerun ! Why? Because: it always takes two to "tango"!
... During my studies at University I supported myself by working part-time as a clerk in an office.
It was then suggested to me that with my looks I could "try the movies". Well, I researched and noticed, that without the "casting-couch" there is no career in the movies whatsoever ... and that is why I had nothing to do with the movies.
What I am trying to say, is, that every girl "going" to the movies knows for sure about the reality of the "casting-couch" and - according to my research, there is no other way about it.
Furthermore, there are many different "Weinsteins" running the entertainment industry, even Hitchcock was another "Weinstein", if you care to ask Tippi Hedren about it.
The point I am trying to make is that some females do "anything" to forward their career and some other females do not do "anything" to forward their career. That seems to be the only difference worth mentioning.
The reason why there seems such an outcry right now is perhaps some females, who did "anything" to forward their career, may have noticed later, that it does not sit well with their conscience and so it seems they try and blame someone else, even so it was their own choice in the first place ...
That's my :twocents;
Kristina.
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Well, there is going to be a way around it NOW because we are NOT going to take it, anymore. Harvey Pigstein has now been kicked out of the Academy, and his casting couch has been trashed. This open dirty secret ain't so secret anymore.
Bill Clinton is a pig, too. Doesn't matter whether these predators are dems or gop. Their problem is that they are MEN and therefore feel entitled.
Is there any woman on this forum who has NOT EVER been groped or felt up?
Question to all of you gropees...what did you do when it happened to YOU? I will tell you my numerous stories once I get home and no longer have to use this stupid touchpad!
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I have one story (among many) that stands out. I was in Manhattan, in my thirties and a lot sexier than I am now. And buxom. It was summer and I was wearing a thin cotton peasant blouse. Sight seeing and minding my own business when this creep grabbed me by the breast and yelled for all of NYC to hear "They're REAL! God Almighty, they're real.
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Did you do anything, or were you just too stunned (or afraid) to react?
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Not really afraid. Just stunned.
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I have one story (among many) that stands out. I was in Manhattan, in my thirties and a lot sexier than I am now. And buxom. It was summer and I was wearing a thin cotton peasant blouse. Sight seeing and minding my own business when this creep grabbed me by the breast and yelled for all of NYC to hear "They're REAL! God Almighty, they're real.
Dear K&S , I am very sorry that you had such an awful experience and were confronted with such horrific behaviour.
That must have been quite despicable and is very, very sad.
Kind regards from Kristina. :grouphug;
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Is there any woman on this forum who has NOT EVER been groped or felt up?
I must have been extremely lucky, because I never ever had such an experience...
... Until I met my husband I lived alone ... and ... whilst I lived alone, I always dressed in blue Jeans which were three to four sizes too big for my size and my Pullovers were always a complete over-size, even so I have always been a very small size "underneath" these oversize clothes ...
... Adding to that, whenever I travelled, I always "sported" a very visible "engagement-ring", which I had purchased ages ago in a Charity Shop especially for "travelling-purposes".
I also told anyone who asked, that I specialized in Philosophy and European Literature, and that might have also inspired some to run a mile ...
So, on one hand I feel I was extremely lucky, on the other hand I certainly gave out clear signals with my over-sized clothes and "engagement-ring" ... and ... perhaps, I might have gone a bit into "overdrive" with all these clear signals, it certainly "did the trick" and worked in my favour...
Best wishes from Kristina. :grouphug;
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Story one.
I was living and studying in Spain. The family I was living with had neighbors who were grandparents to two adorable children, and from time to time I would walk with the children around the neighborhood. One day we were strolling along, and a man approached walking the other direction. As he approached me, at the last moment, he lunged at me and grabbed me. I WAS WALKING WITH TWO YOUNG CHILDREN!!!!!!! I don't know what was so enticing about that. I was so shocked, I did nothing.
I had no idea if he might harm the little boy and girl I was with. I was terrified on their behalf and hurried back home.
That's the problem with having to deal with wayward strange men. You have no idea if their attention might become assault.
A week or so later, I was walking with the same children down the same street. It was a fairly busy street, and it was daylight, as before. I happened to see the same man walking toward me, and this time I was ready. As he approached me, again he reached out to grab me, but this time I grabbed his arm and scratched it as hard as I could with my fingernails, down the entire length of his arm.
I was hassled the entire time I was in Spain. I was studying a course sponsored by the University of St. Louis, and it attracted students from all over the US. So, I made friends from all over the nation who attended the same course. I was describing the problems I was having to one of my male American friends, and while he believed me, he couldn't fathom the frequency and harshness of the abuse I was getting. So one day, I invited him to walk with me but to stay several strides behind me so that he could observe without anyone knowing he was actually accompanying me.
Let's just say that he was quite surprised at and disappointed with what he witnessed.
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It is not just American men then. Sorry that happened to you MM.
I've been noticing that it DOES take two sometimes. There are female teachers being accused of having sex with teen boys. Now, why don't those boys complain? Usually, someone catches them and then the boy.... HA.... starts saying how she took advantage of him. This female just got acquitted, but her career is over.... and yet she was doing it too.
So there is sexual abuse and then there IS consensual sex. And when the TWO get caught and they are married one of them will cry rape. Sometimes.... not, of course, most of the time. But, I see it. My girlfriend just texted me from her work and the HR person just got caught in the office break room kissing the production manager. Hmmmm both are married. This should be interesting.
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Yes, Rerun, there is a difference between what most of us would call "inappropriate" consensual sex and unwanted sexual abuse and harassment. We are not talking about the former, rather, we are talking about the latter, ie, Weinstein.
Story no. 2.
In my first "real" job, I was the assistant to three different men. One of them was in a meeting and asked me to collect an open file he had mistakenly left upon on his desk. I went into his office to retrieve it, and there lay a file filled with pornographic pictures, obviously left for me to see. How unprofessional. I don't know what sort of message he was trying to convey, but I didn't mention it and just pretended that I'd never seen it. Mind you, this was back in the days when women weren't supposed to talk about this sort of thing. Oh, and this was in the US. Men are everywhere!
My husband and I have had many conversations about this topic and the culture in which it thrives in the workplace. He works in a profession that is filled with alpha males, and he observes that the men he works with think they are God's gift to womankind and that all women want them. He believes that these are men who, at their core, hate women. I don't know if that is true, but that is his perception. My own perception is that most women don't think very highly of most men. Our parents warn us when we are kids to avoid strangers, but the unspoken villain is always male.
Do fathers warn their sons about predatory female teachers? Does the prospect of having such a teacher create fear and loathing in their hearts? I bet not. Another false equivalency.
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Is there any woman on this forum who has NOT EVER been groped or felt up?
I must have been extremely lucky, because I never ever had such an experience...
... Until I met my husband I lived alone ... and ... whilst I lived alone, I always dressed in blue Jeans which were three to four sizes too big for my size and my Pullovers were always a complete over-size, even so I have always been a very small size "underneath" these oversize clothes ...
... Adding to that, whenever I travelled, I always "sported" a very visible "engagement-ring", which I had purchased ages ago in a Charity Shop especially for "travelling-purposes".
I also told anyone who asked, that I specialized in Philosophy and European Literature, and that might have also inspired some to run a mile ...
So, on one hand I feel I was extremely lucky, on the other hand I certainly gave out clear signals with my over-sized clothes and "engagement-ring" ... and ... perhaps, I might have gone a bit into "overdrive" with all these clear signals, it certainly "did the trick" and worked in my favour...
Best wishes from Kristina. :grouphug;
I'm sorry kristina, but it sounds like you're blaming women for wearing clothes that actually fit. So what you seem to be saying (at least to me) is that if a woman chooses to buy and wear clothes that actually fit her body, she is "asking for it". Are you serious??? I'd rather not wear clothes that are way too big for my body, that will not only look gross, but impede me from moving and getting around like a normal person. Not only that, but talk about a way to look like one is severely depressed! No thank you! And when are some people going to get the clue that it has nothing to do with how you dress or even how you look - it is a power thing??? Seriously???
KarenInWA
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but the unspoken villain is always male.
Sort of like the airline that would not allow adult males to sit next to unaccompanied minors.
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Karen, I don't agree... again~ Go figure...
I think it does matter how we dress. If your skirt is up to your ass and your blouse is down to your navel.... ?? Really?
Is the lady looking for a little action? Hmmmm
I also think sex is WAY over rated and MEN think we ALL love it. We don't. Look at all the erection commercials. The woman gives him the "look" and he just knows she is in the mood. BS
:puke;
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When I see a young woman, most notably my niece, with a blouse on that is cut right to her belly button, I so want to tell her what she looks like, but family relations being what they are, I keep my mouth shut, even tho she really (IMHO) does look like she is going shopping. For a sugar daddy or a quickie. Women dont have to wear sweatshirts up to their ear lobes to be modest but they also dont have to reveal all to attract a man.
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Karen, I don't agree... again~ Go figure...
I think it does matter how we dress. If your skirt is up to your ass and your blouse is down to your navel.... ?? Really?
Is the lady looking for a little action? Hmmmm
I also think sex is WAY over rated and MEN think we ALL love it. We don't. Look at all the erection commercials. The woman gives him the "look" and he just knows she is in the mood. BS
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Rerun, Kristina's post didn't say anything about short skirts or low cut blouses. I personally have never worn either because 1. My legs are terribly ugly and the only article of cloth they are compatible with is a hospital gown. No joke. My chest was always too small for most any man's taste, so I never had to worry about that being targeted, except in ridicule, which is also an unnecessary experience. I do wear clothes that fit, however, because why wouldn't I? Kristina was more or less "bragging" about wearing clothes that were 3 or 4 sizes too big. Honestly, how can anyone move around with clothes big enough to fall off of one's body, and exactly how is that "being strong"?? Most of us like to look nice and presentable when going about this thing called life, and I am not about to let the weaker sex bully me into looking like some homeless person who got to the clothes bin too late and only had the bigger clothes left over to choose from. Sorry, nope!
KarenInWA
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Is there any woman on this forum who has NOT EVER been groped or felt up?
I must have been extremely lucky, because I never ever had such an experience...
... Until I met my husband I lived alone ... and ... whilst I lived alone, I always dressed in blue Jeans which were three to four sizes too big for my size and my Pullovers were always a complete over-size, even so I have always been a very small size "underneath" these oversize clothes ...
... Adding to that, whenever I travelled, I always "sported" a very visible "engagement-ring", which I had purchased ages ago in a Charity Shop especially for "travelling-purposes".
I also told anyone who asked, that I specialized in Philosophy and European Literature, and that might have also inspired some to run a mile ...
So, on one hand I feel I was extremely lucky, on the other hand I certainly gave out clear signals with my over-sized clothes and "engagement-ring" ... and ... perhaps, I might have gone a bit into "overdrive" with all these clear signals, it certainly "did the trick" and worked in my favour...
Best wishes from Kristina. :grouphug;
I'm sorry kristina, but it sounds like you're blaming women for wearing clothes that actually fit. So what you seem to be saying (at least to me) is that if a woman chooses to buy and wear clothes that actually fit her body, she is "asking for it". Are you serious??? I'd rather not wear clothes that are way too big for my body, that will not only look gross, but impede me from moving and getting around like a normal person. Not only that, but talk about a way to look like one is severely depressed! No thank you! And when are some people going to get the clue that it has nothing to do with how you dress or even how you look - it is a power thing??? Seriously???
KarenInWA
Sorry Karen, I would not blame women for wearing clothes that actually fit...
I was only speaking for myself and how I went about my life as a single female student living alone. Because of my chronic kidney disease my plan to study at University was much harder for me than it would have been for anyone else and as I had made up my mind to study, despite my medical frailty there was no time for anything else at that particular time. When I mentioned that my clothes at the time were many sizes too big, that does not mean that I did not present myself properly, i.e. wearing an over-sized Pullover can still look elegant if you wear it with a nice fitting belt etc.... but at the same time it does give clear signals that “you” are not looking for a companionship right now and “you” do not wish to be disturbed either... I feel very fortunate, that my signals at the time came over exactly as I wanted them to be understood...
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I think the point about women's choice of wearing attractive clothing side steps the issue.
It puts all the responsibility on WOMEN for the behavior of men. I am definitely not trying to say that all men are sexual predators. They aren't. But even if a woman does wear revealing clothing, she should not be faulted for "getting what's coming to her." That removes the responsibility from the men for their inappropriate behavior. No matter what a woman is wearing, no means NO! Women should not have to constantly worry about whether her clothes are too tight, too loose, too low, too short, too colorful, or even too colorful. No man gets up in the morning worrying about whether his clothing is going to be a factor in whether he will be the target of sexual harassment. Men don't have to worry about going out for a run alone, or making eye contact with strangers in public, or how they sit in public, or whether their shirts are buttoned all the way up. Having an extra button un-done is not considered an invitation for sexual aggression. (He had it coming to him).
Our culture is all into blaming women for assault on them. Even reporting of assault leaves the men out of the picture. The terminology is "women are raped" not "men rape women." Using the passive voice makes it possible to remove the perpetrators from the discussion.
Unfortunately we live in a rape culture. And we blame the victims and go easy on the perpetrators. There is no wonder that women are reluctant to even report sexual assault. AND THEY ARE NOT THE ONES AT FAULT!
Let's stop making excuses that let men (or any sexual predators) off the hook. Let's change the dialog.
I am sickened and distressed by the prevalence of #metoo on Facebook. It took me from feeling like "just me" to realizing we have a huge problem on our hands and I am one in a huge majority of women.
Aleta
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The direction this conversation has turned (ie, blaming women for the way they dress) makes me wonder if some of you think we should all be dressing like Saudi women are forced to dress. Supposedly it is to keep them safe from predatory men, which tells you something about men. Why don't they just lock the men away? Why do women always bear the brunt of men's apparently voracious sexual appetites?
Story number three. I was in Ibiza at a club with a bunch of friends. There were people there from all over the world dancing and having a good time. I do not drink other than having an occasional glass of wine with a meal. When I was younger, I NEVER drank alcohol if I was out at a club. So, we were all out dancing with no one in particular and with everyone in general, and there were a couple of Japanese guys dancing in front of me, which was nice because I'd never had the chance to socialize with anyone from Japan. I smiled to be friendly, and the next thing I knew, he was pawing at me. Apparently a woman mustn't smile, either because if you smile or if you look a little more attractive than a potato, you're a walking, talking target.
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When I see a young woman, most notably my niece, with a blouse on that is cut right to her belly button, I so want to tell her what she looks like, but family relations being what they are, I keep my mouth shut, even tho she really (IMHO) does look like she is going shopping. For a sugar daddy or a quickie. Women dont have to wear sweatshirts up to their ear lobes to be modest but they also dont have to reveal all to attract a man.
This is off topic. We are talking about women who are targeted by men who have power over their lives and about the frequency of unwanted sexual attention as we women just go about our daily lives.
How old is your niece? Is she a young adult who is employed and so is in the company of men at work? If so, has she ever experienced harassment at her place of employment?
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Blaming women for the way they dress is like blaming the driver of a BMW or an Escalade for driving a nice car and attracting carjackers.
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MM - What Jean posted is not off topic. If you would like to be a moderator then contact Kitkatz and take the training.
SD - Not blaming women for the way they dress, but why not run around naked? If you wear a steak dress with bacon socks you will attract Dogs.
What makes me mad is when there are women accusers and then they later say they were lying. Those women make the real victims not want to come forward because there is always doubt.
This female teacher that was accused of having sex with a 16 year old boy and was acquitted.... the boy admitted he was lying.
So I guess it happens on both sides. Sad. I would hope she would have her job offered again but How could she work there Poor lady.
With all the gender mixups now there has to be woman raping women and men raping men (well maybe not).... immorality will be the demise .....
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Which women in your world run around naked? If there were women who "nakedly" approached Weinstein and stated that they'd sleep with him if he would them a job, that's a different issue. But that's not what got Weinstein off his pedestal.
Sure, it is unfair and illegal for a woman, or anyone, to make a false claim. But the few women who lie are NOT the reason that Weinstein's victims did not speak out sooner. And interestingly, no one is doubting them. Everyone knows the allegations are true.
No, rerun, it doesn't happen on "both sides". A pervasive culture of powerful professional women who systematically sexually harass men with the promise of future employment or better job situations does not exist.
What is it about older conservative women who are so quick to blame other women for being sexually harassed? What IS that? Are these the same women who voted for Trump? Just wondering because I see a bit of a pattern here.
And I agree with wtw, by the way. Thanks for your post!
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Oh, I agree with Aleta also in so far as women being blamed for being raped because of the way they dressed.Hardly fair. The point, I think is that men no doubt have a stronger sex drive than most women.
Please notice I said MOST women. Men are usually bigger and stronger than women, notice Usually, not always. Harvey is another whole ball of wax. He is just a piggy with power. You cant blame all men for thing that Harvey does.
BTW, no one asked or inferred that Trump was a saint when he was campaigning and it's a good thing, because then all of the other nominees would have to fess up, including Hillary. It works both ways and yes, I have seen women of power in the corporate world bully men and make their lives hell on earth, but not because the women were raped, but because the men refused to touch them. It does, sometimes, work both ways.
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If you wear a steak dress with bacon socks you will attract Dogs.
Hear ! Hear!
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It works both ways and yes, I have seen women of power in the corporate world bully men and make their lives hell on earth, but not because the women were raped, but because the men refused to touch them. It does, sometimes, work both ways.
I'm not inclined to believe this, but I do want to keep an open mind. Can you give some details about what you actually saw? Thank you.
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In my early days, I saw woman who " went out for a drink" with the branch manager and did not come back until the next day, AND the same thing with Men who were on the training program and also never came back the same day.And neither did the manager. In plain words, " YOU WILL party with the manager and you will either attract women for me or satisfy my urges yourself. It is everywhere. The young boys who went out were mixed. Some didnt mind procuring women for the manager and some would rather " do it themselves. You probably think I am making this up, but I am not. Some of the younger ones walked in the next day and quit.
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I don't doubt that there were managers who recruited employees for this sort of thing, but how many managers were women in your "early days". Regarding your previous post, how many female managers in the corporate world did you see sexually harass their male subordinates?
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If you wear a steak dress with bacon socks you will attract Dogs.
LOL, Rerun! Was that a Lady Gaga reference? If so, I like it!
My husband just emailed me this:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/all-the-other-harveys
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Actually, about 3 that I can think of. One of them was a foreigner and would so jump on the men who came in, that the rest of the staff in that office were embarassed and felt demeaned.I was happy to leave that office.
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Hooray for Karen in Washington. Sexual violence has nothing to do with seeing a pretty girl and being sexually attracted and Everything to do exerting power and dominance. Not just pretty young women are sexually assaulted; children, the elderly and the disabled are victimized too. It's a damn shame that our 'president' and his disgusting behavior has desensitized our reactions to felons like Weinstein .
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Where in the world does the trend toward sexual violence turn out to be PRESIDENT Trumps fault???? It sure wasnt Bill Clinton's fault, now was it??? this is just of the, " I didnt get my way and Clinton lost the election thingie"" So now I will blame everything including the rain in Florida on Trump. Good Lord!!
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Where in the world does the trend toward sexual violence turn out to be PRESIDENT Trumps fault???? It sure wasnt Bill Clinton's fault, now was it??? this is just of the, " I didnt get my way and Clinton lost the election thingie"" So now I will blame everything including the rain in Florida on Trump. Good Lord!!
While it may not be the *president's* FAULT, he has certainly normalized a climate where violence and sexual predation is more accepted. Consider that he has BRAGGED about sexual harassment, encouraged discrimination against those with disabilities and sided with white supremacists. And STILL got elected. That Weinstein is being excoriated is the height of hypocrisy. Where is the same level of disdain for what the *president* has done?
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The "President" is Role Model-in-Chief. Sadly, he sets the tone for the whole culture. And a verrry bad tone it is.
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The Clintons' are friends with Weinstein. He funded Hillary and she is keeping the dirty money.
Trump isn't on that page.
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Ok, how about a change of pace?
Everyone who voted for Trump (is, those who will go down in infamy) post something sleazy about Trump. Those who voted voted for Clinton can post something about her moral failings.
I'll start - Trump had a long history of shafting contractors, as in "Great work, accept 80% of the agreed price as paid in full or pay an hourly fee to fight my army of attorneys who will bleed you dry on legal fees".
There is enough dirt on both sides, that disingenuous bashing of the "other side" (no matter which side you are on) accomplishes nothing.
she is keeping the dirty money.
The foundation is claiming the money is already spent. Due to the fungability of money, this is a lie if the foundation's liquid cash assets exceed the amount of the donation, which is highly likely.
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The Clintons' are friends with Weinstein. He funded Hillary and she is keeping the dirty money.
Trump isn't on that page.
Hmmm. What about the *president's* charity: https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16764 (https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16764)
As compared to the Clinton Foundation: https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680 (https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680)
You say that your *president* isn't on that page. How to you explain an independent, a-political agency's rating of these two charities?
It really isn't hard to do a little bit of fact-checking.
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Simon Dog, you can say that "there is enough dirt on both sides", but that doesn't make it true. It's just not true. Again, that's a false equivalency. It is just not true.
There is nothing about Trump that is moral or good. He prides himself as being an "outsider", but what that really means is that he cannot govern and he cannot lead. He is the most divisive figure in the history of American politics.
No, there is NOT "dirt" on both sides, not in the way you claim. That's just not true. Not true. Not true. Factually incorrect.
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Simon Dog, you can say that "there is enough dirt on both sides", but that doesn't make it true. It's just not true. Again, that's a false equivalency. It is just not true.
An assertion does not equal proof.
Can you name one thing Trump has done to line his pockets at the expense of America (rather than at the expense of business rivals and customers)? I refer specifically to the Uranium One deal.
I do know that I would never want to be a contractor working for Trump, or a student in one his now defunct pseudo-schools.
Hatred of the "other side" (whatever that side may be) tends to make one blind to the sleaziness of their party's candidate and hyper sensitive to it on the part of the enemy. One symptom of this distortion is falling into the trap of believing one's own option is "fact" rather than "opinion".
You say that your *president* isn't on that page. How to you explain an independent, a-political agency's rating of these two charities?
Dang, they won't rate my 501(c)(3) until I get $1M a year in revenues.
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Is there any woman on this forum who has NOT EVER been groped or felt up?
I must have been extremely lucky, because I never ever had such an experience...
... Until I met my husband I lived alone ... and ... whilst I lived alone, I always dressed in blue Jeans which were three to four sizes too big for my size and my Pullovers were always a complete over-size, even so I have always been a very small size "underneath" these oversize clothes ...
... Adding to that, whenever I travelled, I always "sported" a very visible "engagement-ring", which I had purchased ages ago in a Charity Shop especially for "travelling-purposes".
I also told anyone who asked, that I specialized in Philosophy and European Literature, and that might have also inspired some to run a mile ...
So, on one hand I feel I was extremely lucky, on the other hand I certainly gave out clear signals with my over-sized clothes and "engagement-ring" ... and ... perhaps, I might have gone a bit into "overdrive" with all these clear signals, it certainly "did the trick" and worked in my favour...
Best wishes from Kristina. :grouphug;
I'm sorry kristina, but it sounds like you're blaming women for wearing clothes that actually fit. So what you seem to be saying (at least to me) is that if a woman chooses to buy and wear clothes that actually fit her body, she is "asking for it". Are you serious??? I'd rather not wear clothes that are way too big for my body, that will not only look gross, but impede me from moving and getting around like a normal person. Not only that, but talk about a way to look like one is severely depressed! No thank you! And when are some people going to get the clue that it has nothing to do with how you dress or even how you look - it is a power thing??? Seriously???
KarenInWA
I think Kristina is saying that she knew this could be an issue so she protected herself when traveling alone. It is not that women who dress in clothes that fit are asking for it. There are just precautions that some women feel they need to take to stay safe. It is sad that we feel like as women that we have to protect ourselves. I don't go out to stores after dark by myself anymore to help protect myself. I am not saying that women that go out after dark are asking to be assaulted, I just know the chances of assault in my area are higher after dark. But sometimes, you can take all the precautions in the world and things still happen. Sexual assault is never the victim's fault. Period.
About a year ago at work, one of the male RNs wolf whistled at me on the treatment floor in front of the patients and staff. He then said that his wife let him look as long as he didn't touch. Creeped me out so bad... He was in his 60s, old enough to be my father. I was not wearing a low cut blouse or anything. Just wide leg trousers and a work appropriate blouse with ballet flats. I don't understand it. Thankfully, I have never been groped or assaulted, but I have been a victim of a peeping tom. I can't imagine being assaulted.
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There are just precautions that some women feel they need to take to stay safe.
The Glock 43 is an excellent choice along with a 2oz sized Fox 5.3 pepper spray.
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Is there any woman on this forum who has NOT EVER been groped or felt up?
I must have been extremely lucky, because I never ever had such an experience...
... Until I met my husband I lived alone ... and ... whilst I lived alone, I always dressed in blue Jeans which were three to four sizes too big for my size and my Pullovers were always a complete over-size, even so I have always been a very small size "underneath" these oversize clothes ...
... Adding to that, whenever I travelled, I always "sported" a very visible "engagement-ring", which I had purchased ages ago in a Charity Shop especially for "travelling-purposes".
I also told anyone who asked, that I specialized in Philosophy and European Literature, and that might have also inspired some to run a mile ...
So, on one hand I feel I was extremely lucky, on the other hand I certainly gave out clear signals with my over-sized clothes and "engagement-ring" ... and ... perhaps, I might have gone a bit into "overdrive" with all these clear signals, it certainly "did the trick" and worked in my favour...
Best wishes from Kristina. :grouphug;
I'm sorry kristina, but it sounds like you're blaming women for wearing clothes that actually fit. So what you seem to be saying (at least to me) is that if a woman chooses to buy and wear clothes that actually fit her body, she is "asking for it". Are you serious??? I'd rather not wear clothes that are way too big for my body, that will not only look gross, but impede me from moving and getting around like a normal person. Not only that, but talk about a way to look like one is severely depressed! No thank you! And when are some people going to get the clue that it has nothing to do with how you dress or even how you look - it is a power thing??? Seriously???
KarenInWA
I think Kristina is saying that she knew this could be an issue so she protected herself when traveling alone. It is not that women who dress in clothes that fit are asking for it. There are just precautions that some women feel they need to take to stay safe. It is sad that we feel like as women that we have to protect ourselves. I don't go out to stores after dark by myself anymore to help protect myself. I am not saying that women that go out after dark are asking to be assaulted, I just know the chances of assault in my area are higher after dark. But sometimes, you can take all the precautions in the world and things still happen. Sexual assault is never the victim's fault. Period.
About a year ago at work, one of the male RNs wolf whistled at me on the treatment floor in front of the patients and staff. He then said that his wife let him look as long as he didn't touch. Creeped me out so bad... He was in his 60s, old enough to be my father. I was not wearing a low cut blouse or anything. Just wide leg trousers and a work appropriate blouse with ballet flats. I don't understand it. Thankfully, I have never been groped or assaulted, but I have been a victim of a peeping tom. I can't imagine being assaulted.
Many thanks smartcookie for your kind understanding and your kind support, it is very much appreciated.
To be honest, I have no idea whether my way is the right one or not, I just did everything by instinct and have been lucky so far (touch wood it continues like that!).
You are right, it is indeed very sad what we have to put up with sometimes! That guy who wolf-whistled at you at the treatment floor, explaining, that his wife let him look (and wolf-whistle...) as long as he didn't touch... he would have given me the creeps as well. Some people !
Thanks again and I send you my kind regards and best wishes from Kristina. :grouphug;
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There are just precautions that some women feel they need to take to stay safe.
The Glock 43 is an excellent choice along with a 2oz sized Fox 5.3 pepper spray.
To my knowledge these items are unfortunately illegal here in England...
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There are just precautions that some women feel they need to take to stay safe.
The Glock 43 is an excellent choice along with a 2oz sized Fox 5.3 pepper spray.
To my knowledge these items are unfortunately illegal here in England...
Did not notice you were in England. Probably just as well, since self defense is pretty much outlawed in England.
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There are just precautions that some women feel they need to take to stay safe.
The Glock 43 is an excellent choice along with a 2oz sized Fox 5.3 pepper spray.
To my knowledge these items are unfortunately illegal here in England...
Did not notice you were in England. Probably just as well, since self defense is pretty much outlawed in England.
Thanks Simon for putting it in such an excellent way! The way you put it just points out how very wrong "things" can sometimes become !!!
That reminds me: Did I tell you that it was recently revealed in newspapers, that some prisoners here in England are employed by Insurance Companies (for a little pocket money) to phone (from their prison-cells) valuable customers of Insurance Companies to enquire about their "valuable goodies"? And how secure and where these valuables are kept ... ?
Your guess is as good as mine when theorizing about where some people might be heading as soon as they are set free again...
Sometimes this world seems just a little bit crazy ... and sometimes one has to be careful not to become dizzy when reading about it all ... ::)
Best wishes from Kristina.
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Titbits from Englant:
- Fire extinguishers were removed from an apartment building, since only professionals should fight fire. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fire-extinguishers-removed-terrified-oaps-10740124, http://www.harboroughmail.co.uk/news/fire-extinguishers-removed-from-housing-association-flats-1-6033691). The second one describes a removal right after a resident used an extinguisher to put put out a fire.
- Parts of England have banned barb wire fences since it can injure vandels (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6137644/Allotment-barbed-wire-banned-as-a-danger-to-vandals.html)
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Titbits from England:
...The police have recently informed the public that they cannot assist or help any longer in case of a burglary ...
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Simon Dog said:
Can you name one thing Trump has done to line his pockets at the expense of America (rather than at the expense of business rivals and customers)? I refer specifically to the Uranium One deal.
Um.
What about over-the-top numbers of trips to Trump properties where the American people are paying not only for his use of those properties, but the rooms for the entire entourage of security personnel.
And the same is true for Trump Tower in NY. The Secret Service was quickly depleting its budget having to rent an entire floor of that building (along with having to provide security for the excessive golfing trips).
And just for the record, he not only DID NOT divest himself of business holdings that might create a conflict of interest, but he acted in the exact opposite of his promise by bringing his family into the circle of his advisors. So now they are on the payroll of the American people.
Emoluments, anybody?
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Good points.
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Simon Dog said:
Can you name one thing Trump has done to line his pockets at the expense of America (rather than at the expense of business rivals and customers)? I refer specifically to the Uranium One deal.
Um.
What about over-the-top numbers of trips to Trump properties where the American people are paying not only for his use of those properties, but the rooms for the entire entourage of security personnel. ...
Emoluments, anybody?
He doubled the membership rates at Mar Largo and then granted unprecedented access to himself and his administration. Membership at Mar Largo can even help you to avoid being deported https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/23/steve-wynn-delivered-trump-a-letter-from-the-chinese-government.html
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Simon Dog said:
Can you name one thing Trump has done to line his pockets at the expense of America (rather than at the expense of business rivals and customers)? I refer specifically to the Uranium One deal.
There is also the matter of his inauguration fund that raised well over 100 million dollars for an inauguration that could not of cost more than half that (what Obama spent) and likely cost much less http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-inaugural-funds-charity-2017-9
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inauguration fund that raised well over 100 million dollars for an inauguration
Of course, he is making "good" use of all that money by using it to pay for lawyers for his "precious" and corrupt Don Jr.
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Now.... this is officially off topic from Harvey Weinstein............ Let's get back to it folks.
Rerun, Admin.
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Now.... this is officially off topic from Harvey Weinstein............ Let's get back to it folks.
Rerun, Admin.
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And off topic of sexual assault by people who have influence over the victims...