Can I ask you all a reasonable question? Why do some dialysis patients dislike Davita?*NOTE* I only want to hear from those who have had personal dealings with Davita, not just sarcasm or speculation.
Honestly, Until you have sat in a dialysis chair at a Davita and see the corporate bullshit. You would never understand. So explaining to you won't help.
Quote from: Epoman on July 28, 2006, 09:07:28 PMHonestly, Until you have sat in a dialysis chair at a Davita and see the corporate bullshit. You would never understand. So explaining to you won't help.Epoman!!! I said, I didn't want to hear the sarcasm. I only want to hear the cold hard facts as to why someone may want to look elsewhere other then Davita. I will never understand if I am never told. Try me. I may understand more then you think.
Quote from: sandmansa on July 28, 2006, 09:52:05 PMQuote from: Epoman on July 28, 2006, 09:07:28 PMHonestly, Until you have sat in a dialysis chair at a Davita and see the corporate bullshit. You would never understand. So explaining to you won't help.Epoman!!! I said, I didn't want to hear the sarcasm. I only want to hear the cold hard facts as to why someone may want to look elsewhere other then Davita. I will never understand if I am never told. Try me. I may understand more then you think.I wasn't being sarcastic If you want to learn more do a search with the key word "Davita" or read ANY of my threads in the "Centers" section. I hate having to repeat myself. Oh and you will NEVER FULLY understand, even if I sat down and explained it to you for hours. You may understand it from a logic stand point but you would not understand the emotional aspect. And lets pray to GOD you never have to.
Quote from: Epoman on July 28, 2006, 10:00:35 PMQuote from: sandmansa on July 28, 2006, 09:52:05 PMQuote from: Epoman on July 28, 2006, 09:07:28 PMHonestly, Until you have sat in a dialysis chair at a Davita and see the corporate bullshit. You would never understand. So explaining to you won't help.Epoman!!! I said, I didn't want to hear the sarcasm. I only want to hear the cold hard facts as to why someone may want to look elsewhere other then Davita. I will never understand if I am never told. Try me. I may understand more then you think.I wasn't being sarcastic If you want to learn more do a search with the key word "Davita" or read ANY of my threads in the "Centers" section. I hate having to repeat myself. Oh and you will NEVER FULLY understand, even if I sat down and explained it to you for hours. You may understand it from a logic stand point but you would not understand the emotional aspect. And lets pray to GOD you never have to. I just woke up and read this. I know Sandman and I can understand he feels like he is on the outside since he has only been introduced to the renal failure world through me. This is all new to him and he has a HUGE desire to learn more. But is frustrated since he has asked so many questions on another site (I won't say which right now .. it is irrelevant) and gotten absolutely no reply as if he does not matter. He holds your site in such high regard that he hopes to learn what he knows the rest of you do already know. Plus since he is worried about me moving to the States eventually and being part of any dialysis system in is PA area, he worries about me. Plus with my worries already (as I have mentioned in other posts) I think that adds to his worries. Please be understanding as I am sure you remember how it was when you were first looking for answers and feeling so lost. He is in a world where just only a year ago he never heard the term "hemo dialysis"...
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Sandmansa, I am sorry if I offended you and honestly I really do value your membership and can appreciate that you want to learn as much as you can about this disease for angies benefit, you are a good man, and angie is lucky to have you in her life. But if you wish to learn why "I" dislike Davita so much, please go to the "center" section and read any of my threads.
And what the heck is dialylize?
Quote from: sandmansa on July 28, 2006, 08:27:38 PMCan I ask you all a reasonable question? Why do some dialysis patients dislike Davita?*NOTE* I only want to hear from those who have had personal dealings with Davita, not just sarcasm or speculation.In my very short dealings with Davita (one month), I have been lied to about when they have called for my delivery (which came the day BEFORE I started my first day of work), they didn't even order all the supplies they said they would, I have 3 different nurses who can't seem to communicate about where I was in my trainings, and nearly all of my appointments have been cancelled, made earlier, made later. I feel like I am a slave to their needs!
Don't get me wrong he is more than welcome here, and I value his membership, BUT you need to remember "sandmansa" is not a patient nor is he a caregiver/spouse. When he wants he can TURN OFF the dialysis thinking, we as patients/caregivers/spouses can not. Try to understand he is welcome here, but it is hard for me to try to explain to someone my "feelings, of why" who has NO idea what I am talking about. Sandmansa, I am sorry if I offended you and honestly I really do value your membership and can appreciate that you want to learn as much as you can about this disease for angies benefit, you are a good man, and angie is lucky to have you in her life. But if you wish to learn why "I" dislike Davita so much, please go to the "center" section and read any on my threads.
You would never understand. So explaining to you won't help.
Quote from: MelissaJean on July 29, 2006, 11:58:06 AMQuote from: sandmansa on July 28, 2006, 08:27:38 PMCan I ask you all a reasonable question? Why do some dialysis patients dislike Davita?*NOTE* I only want to hear from those who have had personal dealings with Davita, not just sarcasm or speculation.In my very short dealings with Davita (one month), I have been lied to about when they have called for my delivery (which came the day BEFORE I started my first day of work), they didn't even order all the supplies they said they would, I have 3 different nurses who can't seem to communicate about where I was in my trainings, and nearly all of my appointments have been cancelled, made earlier, made later. I feel like I am a slave to their needs!Thank you so very, VERY much! THIS is the perfect example reply I was looking for.Quote from: Epoman on July 29, 2006, 11:26:40 AMDon't get me wrong he is more than welcome here, and I value his membership, BUT you need to remember "sandmansa" is not a patient nor is he a caregiver/spouse. When he wants he can TURN OFF the dialysis thinking, we as patients/caregivers/spouses can not. Try to understand he is welcome here, but it is hard for me to try to explain to someone my "feelings, of why" who has NO idea what I am talking about. Sandmansa, I am sorry if I offended you and honestly I really do value your membership and can appreciate that you want to learn as much as you can about this disease for angies benefit, you are a good man, and angie is lucky to have you in her life. But if you wish to learn why "I" dislike Davita so much, please go to the "center" section and read any on my threads. I thank you all for welcoming me here as well. And your right, I am not a kidney patient nor am I a spouse to one. At least, not yet anyway. And also true, if I gave up caring completely, I could "turn off the dialysis thinking" but sitting there telling me strait to my face, that I can not understand is ( in my mind ) a huge slap in the face. I can not understand because I don't deal with what you do on a daily basis and I can not understand because no one is giving me answers to my questions. All I asked was what is wrong with Davita as a dialysis company that has so many patients upset with their services. Sorry Epoman but I did take offense to the following comment....QuoteYou would never understand. So explaining to you won't help.You never even gave me a chance to understand when you yourself had a answer I was looking for but failed to answer because you felt you repeated yourself enough already. I thought this site was here to HELP others? Not be-little them because someone "does not understand". And yes, I know how to use a search feature in a forum but I didn't find the answers I was looking for.
Sandmansa, the reason I say you could never understand is because, you could NEVER understand. Yes this site is to help others, others meaning patients, caregivers, spouses, or even employees. But currently you are none of those. But that doesn't matter, you are trying to learn which is honorable, but you don't live hooked to a machine so you can't fully understand.
Quote from: Epoman on July 29, 2006, 05:34:56 PMSandmansa, the reason I say you could never understand is because, you could NEVER understand. Yes this site is to help others, others meaning patients, caregivers, spouses, or even employees. But currently you are none of those. But that doesn't matter, you are trying to learn which is honorable, but you don't live hooked to a machine so you can't fully understand.Okay, point made. I am not a patient, caregiver, spouse, or even an employee but I am a "boyfriend" to a patient. That should at least account for something. Let me ask you this. What the hell does that have to do with my wanting to learn about renal failure anyway? Simply telling me that since I am none of the above, I can't understand and that it would be a waste of time trying to answer my perfectly reasonable questions is insulting to say the least. I do realize that I can not comprehend what is like to live without kidneys or to be on dialysis so your absolutely right about how I will not truly understand that part but I have spent nearly 2 and a half months time living with Angie and sat by her side every day that she went to dialysis. I know that isn't much but I have had a taste of what life is like being involved with a kidney patient and I am fully prepared to take on the role of "spouse" as well. All I ask is for enough respect to be treated like anyone else here, not like an outsider who couldn't possably understand anything because I don't have enough merit.
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