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dialysisuser82
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« on: June 13, 2014, 06:01:50 AM »

Vitamin k has its benefits as you will read the attached article below, however it is a blood coagulant and could cause serious blood clot for dialysis patients.

Vitamin K is found in dark leafy vegetables and some herbs.

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Vitamin K is a vitamin found in leafy green vegetables, broccoli, and Brussels sprouts. The name vitamin K comes from the German word “Koagulationsvitamin.”

Several forms of vitamin K are used around the world as medicine. Vitamin K1 (phytonadione) and vitamin K2 (menaquinone) are available in North America. Vitamin K1 is generally the preferred form of vitamin K because it is less toxic, works faster, is stronger, and works better for certain conditions.

 In the body, vitamin K plays a major role in blood clotting. So it is used to reverse the effects of “blood thinning” medications when too much is given; to prevent clotting problems in newborns who don’t have enough vitamin K; and to treat bleeding caused by medications including salicylates, sulfonamides, quinine, quinidine, or antibiotics. Vitamin K is also given to treat and prevent vitamin K deficiency, a condition in which the body doesn’t have enough vitamin K. It is also used to prevent and treat weak bones (osteoporosis) and relieve itching that often accompanies a liver disease called biliary cirrhosis. Vitamin K2 (menaquinone) is taken by mouth to treat osteoporosis and bone loss caused by steroids, as well as to lower total cholesterol in people on dialysis.

 People apply vitamin K to the skin to remove spider veins, bruises, scars, stretch marks, and burns. It is also used topically to treat rosacea, a skin condition that causes redness and pimples on the face. After surgery, vitamin K is used to speed up skin healing and reduce bruising and swelling.

Healthcare providers also give vitamin K by injection to treat clotting problems.
An increased understanding of the role of vitamin K in the body beyond blood clotting led some researchers to suggest that the recommended amounts for dietary intake of vitamin K be increased. In 2001, the National Institute of Medicine Food and Nutrition Board increased their recommended amounts of vitamin K slightly, but refused to make larger increases. They explained there wasn’t enough scientific evidence to make larger increases in the recommended amount of vitamin K

How does it work?
Vitamin K is an essential vitamin that is needed by the body for blood clotting and other important processes.

see source: http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-983-VITAMIN%20K.aspx?activeIngredientId=983&activeIngredientName=VITAMIN%20K
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extremely High Vitamin K for 1 Cup:

raw Parsley =1230%
 frozen Kale-cooked =1433%
frozen Collards-cooked=1324%
frozen Spinach cooked=1487%
Spinach cooked= 1111%
Spinach canned =1235%

Many kidney patients are not aware of the K-factor and its dangerous side effect.  I stumbled on this K-factor while doing research on other subjects.

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2014, 07:41:19 AM »

Actually many dialysis patients have platelet dysfunction and clotting problems. That is why coumadin is often riskier for dialysis patients . So Vit k is NOT nessessarily a problem. If anyone is worried , have your own clotting checked.  Dont assume you cant eat vit k.   Most CAN.
My own wife has a hard time clotting and less vit k would be dangerous.


Blood clotting (coagulation) studies in humans using 45 mg per day of vitamin K2 (as MK-4)[27] and even up to 135 mg/day (45 mg three times daily) of K2 (as MK-4),[75] showed no increase in blood clot risk. Even doses in rats as high as 250 mg/kg body weight did not alter the tendency for blood-clot formation to occur.[76]

In other words it takes a HUGE amount of vit K to cause clots. Too little is far more dangerous.
Only patients on anti coagulants should limit vit K.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2014, 08:27:03 PM »

A beer will thin your blood.



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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2014, 09:37:52 AM »

I think that you have to make those vegetables a focus of your diet and eat a lot to cause a problem. Unless you are on coumadin and then consult your doctor. I think coumadin has different rules.
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