Vegetarian Renal Patients?

[Whamo]

I was wondering if anyone goes this route, and what they usually eat.

[SooMK]

I follow a vegetarian diet, plus minimal dairy and processed foods but I'm still pre-D so I don't know if that's helpful or not.

[muppy]

I was wondering if anyone goes this route, and what they usually eat.

Hi I'm a vegetarian and have been on dialysis for over a year.  I was having all sorts of problems with my blood results and the renal dietitians were useless.  So I have been experimenting with my own concoctions and have come up with a killer recipe for Green Smoothies that I have twice a day and that forms the basis for my diet.  My renal team recently called me in to talk to them and the dietitian about my diet because my bloods are so exceptionally good.  It's probably not to everyone's taste but let me know if you are interested and I'll post my recipe. Also.  I feel excellent on it.  Cheers Muppy

[Jean]

Would love to see your recipe muppy. I have flirted with the vegetarian diet, but since I am pre-D and being monitored, the discovery is that I don't eat enough protein, so I looked at the hi protein veggies and they are also hi phosphorous!! Any thoughts on this???

[cameron fields]

I agree with Jean, Muppy feel free to share. I am intrigued. Findings are beginning to show that a vegetarian diet can be quite beneficial for CKD patients even after dialysis begins. " Potential beneficial effects of a vegetarian diet include better phosphate balance, insulin sensitivity, and the control of metabolic acidosis (condition in which there is too much acid in the body fluids). However, because of certain diet restrictions such as potassium, CKD patients are strongly encouraged to talk to their Dietitian to formulate the best plan for their needs. Hope that is helpful.

Cameron - http://kidneybuzz.com/   

[okarol]

Cameron - after dealing with you constantly promoting your website on our facebook group, I am telling you now - it will not be happening here.
I know you know what I am talking about and I recommend you heed this warning. If you want to participate here you cannot post that link. Period.

Your first post is supposed to be your introduction.


okarol/admin

[cameron fields]

Cameron - after dealing with you constantly promoting your website on our facebook group, I am telling you now - it will not be happening here.
I know you know what I am talking about and I recommend you heed this warning. If you want to participate here you cannot post that link. Period.

Your first post is supposed to be your introduction.


okarol/admin

Karol, I heard you loud and clear and will refrain from sharing specific KidneyBuzz.com articles on your Message Board. However, I would ask your indulgence to allow me to sign off using KidneyBuzz.com when I contribute to the discussion. This is standard practice and I would not want any previous misunderstanding to interfere with the important information that we both can offer the CKD community and your viewers in particular. I am looking forward to your response and a mutually beneficial relationship. Thanks.

Cameron

[okarol]

I am still waiting for you to post your introduction.
You need to read the rules.
http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=540.msg3742#msg3742
If you had you'd know what to do.

okarol/admin

[bansix]

I was wondering if anyone goes this route, and what they usually eat.

I've been vegetarian for 20+ yrs and on Dialysis for the past 2.5 yrs.
I was a lazy vegetarian, and ate out a lot or mostly microwavable foods. Which in turn make my blood pressure insanely high and in turn killed off my kidneys.
Since being on Dialysis, I've been eating mosyly tofu and veggies. I used different  veggies depending on which dish. But I have 4 main dishes I alternate: Vegan pho, Thai curry, Stir-fry, or Grilled tofu.
But I also have a veggie sandwich or pasta dish maybe once a week. I no longer require blood pressure meds.
Now If I go out to eat, I realize how much salt restaurants use. It's no wonder my blood pressure was high.

[kristina]

I was wondering if anyone goes this route, and what they usually eat.

I've been vegetarian for 20+ yrs and on Dialysis for the past 2.5 yrs.
I was a lazy vegetarian, and ate out a lot or mostly microwavable foods. Which in turn make my blood pressure insanely high and in turn killed off my kidneys.
Since being on Dialysis, I've been eating mosyly tofu and veggies. I used different  veggies depending on which dish. But I have 4 main dishes I alternate: Vegan pho, Thai curry, Stir-fry, or Grilled tofu.
But I also have a veggie sandwich or pasta dish maybe once a week. I no longer require blood pressure meds.
Now If I go out to eat, I realize how much salt restaurants use. It's no wonder my blood pressure was high.

Hello bansix,

How did the microwavable food make your blood pressure - as you say - insanely high ?
Was it the amount of salt in the food or was it caused by the microwave itself?

I have been a vegetarian for over 42 years and because of my (pre-dialysis) ESRF I have to avoid Restaurant food,
but whenever I am out and can't eat at home, I either take my food and water with me 
or I prepare for the journey beforehand and only visit Restaurants which are known to be used by many (very) elderly people
because I know they have to watch their health and salt-intake as much as I have to (and many can't eat garlic either)
...  so far I have been very lucky and never had a problems with the food (fresh vegetables and no salt, no garlic).

Kristina

[muppy]

I was wondering if anyone goes this route, and what they usually eat.

Hi I'm a vegetarian and have been on dialysis for over a year.  I was having all sorts of problems with my blood results and the renal dietitians were useless.  So I have been experimenting with my own concoctions and have come up with a killer recipe for Green Smoothies that I have twice a day and that forms the basis for my diet.  My renal team recently called me in to talk to them and the dietitian about my diet because my bloods are so exceptionally good.  It's probably not to everyone's taste but let me know if you are interested and I'll post my recipe. Also.  I feel excellent on it.  Cheers Muppy

   DIALYSIS GREEN SMOOTHIE RECIPE

Sorry this has taken so long..... dialysis brain

For a full day in a Vitamix or high powered blender.... put:   2 cups of water,  1 Tbsp Hemp Seeds, 1 Tbsp Chia Seeds, 1 Tbsp Linseeds, 1 Tbsp Almonds,  1 Tbsp Pepitas (this forms the protein "milk" of the smoothie), soak for 2 hours to overnight.... then add.... 2 tsp good quality green powder (I use Food Matters from the US)..., A few Dates,  1-2 Tbsp Coconut Oil (essential so that the body can absorb the protein)..... then fresh organic greens (any you like in any amount, kale, parsley, sorrel, spinach, broccili, mint, celery, cilantro, watercress), then add any fruit you like.... i usually add a peeled lemon too.... you can also add carob powder, or cacao (if your levels are ok for chocolate), frozen berries, frozen banana, passionfruit anything you like..... add plenty of ice and blend until smooth and creamy.... have I glass twice a day....

Its alot of stuff but my bloods are better than ever and feel and look really well on it.... also i only have to have EPO once every 6 weeks where before it was once a week, my protein, iron and heomoglobin levels are exceptional, they say for someone on PD.... Also constipation is a thing of the past for me now since I've been having these.... I guess if you can't stand the greens you could do the same recipe with no green stuff..... anyway I hope this helps  cheers and happy/healthy days.... Muppy

[obsidianom]

Abstract

Diabetic kidney disease is the greatest cause of kidney disease worldwide and a cause of significant morbidity and mortality – in New Zealand it accounts for more than 50% of patients receiving renal dialysis. Diet and lifestyle modification are recognised as the cornerstones of management of type 2 diabetes. Dietary interventions to aid weight loss and improve glycaemic control typically increase total energy intake from protein by about 10%. The effects of increased protein intake on kidney function and progression of kidney disease in type 2 diabetes has not been established. Evaluation of the literature reviewed here suggests that there is some evidence for the benefit of treating existing nephropathy with protein restriction, but no evidence that increasing protein intake in patients with microalbuminuria accelerates diabetic nephropathy, or causes it in those with normal renal function. Substituting chicken, fish and vegetable protein sources for red meat may be helpful, while retaining a focus on other aspects of a healthy diet, such as high fibre, will ensure that potential risks are minimized.
 

[kristina]

Abstract

Diabetic kidney disease is the greatest cause of kidney disease worldwide and a cause of significant morbidity and mortality – in New Zealand it accounts for more than 50% of patients receiving renal dialysis. Diet and lifestyle modification are recognised as the cornerstones of management of type 2 diabetes. Dietary interventions to aid weight loss and improve glycaemic control typically increase total energy intake from protein by about 10%. The effects of increased protein intake on kidney function and progression of kidney disease in type 2 diabetes has not been established. Evaluation of the literature reviewed here suggests that there is some evidence for the benefit of treating existing nephropathy with protein restriction, but no evidence that increasing protein intake in patients with microalbuminuria accelerates diabetic nephropathy, or causes it in those with normal renal function. Substituting chicken, fish and vegetable protein sources for red meat may be helpful, while retaining a focus on other aspects of a healthy diet, such as high fibre, will ensure that potential risks are minimized.

That is exactly what I was told by a Professor of medicine in 1971 who also said that the safest diet-option for me is an easy digestible (no garlic, no onions etc.) diet with fresh fruit (i.e. apples plus pears) and vegetables from the market and no "ready made" food from the supermarket and no fast food.
His advise has served me very well over the years and I still adhere to it...