Why is it. . .

[Rerun]

Hurlock1 you almost had me convinced that you knew what you were talking about until you blew the "Epogen has been around for 30 years".  Do your homework, or shut the hell up!

                   

[Rerun]

Can't this be Logged er I mean Merged with the other topic.  It is about the same thing.

  Why is it that..... I don't understand....          

[okarol]

Topics Merged in  Site Requests, Comments, Technical Help - okarol/admin

[Hanify]

Hurlock1 you almost had me convinced that you knew what you were talking about until you blew the "Epogen has been around for 30 years".  Do your homework, or shut the hell up!

               

Rerun, I don't think it is necessary to take this tone with Hurlock.  He has put his view forward without being rude.

[Rerun]

Wrong is Rude!  This site isn't about giving your opinion about FACTS!  People who don't know better read that and then repeat it. 

HERE:

--Epogen: Approved in 1989, the drug stimulates red blood cells production to help treat anemia.

Free Library Website

I'll add that although it was approved in 1989, some units didn't start using it until well into the 1990's.

[Hanify]

I have no problem with you disagreeing with Hurlock Rerun, but do you really need to say 'Do your homework, or shut the hell up!'?

[paris]

Rude is saying to me "who are YOU to log a conversations"    I don't know what he was talking about, but he doesn't need to take that attitude with someone who wasn't saying anything about him.    Maybe we need a tutorial on forum lingo and words   

[Rerun]

To me he set the tone.  Maybe I should be "above" that, but I'm not.

[pelagia]

It used to be so calm and serene around here  , but now it seems that every time I log there's a brouhaha a brewing. 

[okarol]

pelagia,
In the days of Epoman there always seemed to be a battle going on. He took members to task and did not mince words. You'd witness some pretty spirited debates! It was something to see!

[MIbarra]

Ok.. I mean no disrespect and I'm sure I'll be smacked and told to stay on topic  ,  but... shouldn't mods set the level of respect and the tone for the boards? It's kind of like if I went into my classroom and treated my kids with disrepect, I'd have to expect the same in return. I know that we are all adults here and not kids; however, I just wish there was a bit more decorum here and more tolerance for mistakes.   

When I see such rudeness, I just want to  .

[okarol]

The whole idea of this forum is for people to speak what they feel. We did not chastise Hurlock for saying that our admins are taking bribes from Amgen, or that "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU" or that the moderators were moving his posts to where they weren't as visible as more frivolous posts, in his opinion, which is not true. Rerun was one of the very first mods on IHD and Epoman chose her because he liked that she spoke her mind and was not afraid to have an opinion. That being said, I do think we should try to set a standard, but we are all human.

[Rerun]

If I were being paid, like a job, then I would have to be nice to my customers.  But, let us recap what happened.

Person "1" had it ALL wrong and instead of PMing one of the administrators or Mods, Person 1 took it online and "accused" the management team of favoritism and of logging posts which makes no sense.  When the management team tired to explain the way things work eg....  when topics get posts they stay on top Person "1" kept on complaining and accusing.  Person "1" also degraded other topics such as "Ignorant things people have said to you".  This topic was started by Life On Hold (August 19, 2005) she is now gone.  I love that thread.  It makes me laugh and it is also so so true about people who do not understand dialysis.

I'm sorry if I'm protective of this site and the people who started it and keep it going.  Knowing that about me.... don't push me.   

[MIbarra]

  Knowing that about me.... don't push me.   

I'm not quite sure what you mean by saying "don't push me".  I think that tone is quite unecessary when I have not been disrespectful to you.. ?

[kitkatz]

I am setting out the lawn chairs and making lemonade. This ought to be a good one! 

[dwcrawford]

Can you put a little rum in the lemonade?

[MIbarra]

I would prefer vodka.

[hurlock1]

Hurlock1 you almost had me convinced that you knew what you were talking about until you blew the "Epogen has been around for 30 years".  Do your homework, or shut the hell up!

                   

I read that epogen had been around for 3 decades. I think that that's close to 30 Years

[okarol]

From Wikipedia:

In 1985, Lin et al. isolated the human erythropoietin gene from a genomic phage library and were able to characterize it for research and production. Their research demonstrated that the gene for erythropoietin encoded the production of EPO in mammalian cells that is biologically active in vitro and in vivo. This opened up the door for the industrial production of recombinant erythropoietin (RhEpo) for treating anemia patients.

A clinical trial was held at the Northwest Kidney Centers for a synthetic form of the hormone, Epogen produced by Amgen. The trial was successful, and the results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine in January 1987.

In 1989, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the hormone, called Epogen, which remains in use.

[Chris]

Hmm same time frame new insulin was developed other than using pork and beef. It seems like it wasn't that long ago that these meds where developed

[dwcrawford]

21 years?  25 years? 30 years?  "Shut the Hell UP"?  That's classy.

[hurlock1]

Alos Hurlock, don't forget a loy of us aren't Americans so this is not an issue for us.  My government pays for EPO here, so I am unlikely to read a long post about EPO or health care issues in general.  That's not to say it's not incredibly important - it's just not important to me.

One way or the other, somebody's paying, If the drug costs so much and they are the only people making the drug, they can and do charge however much that they can.