Losing Weight Support Group

[Amanda From OZ]

Congrats on the weightloss everyone. Well done!

I believe that everyone who wants to lose weight can. I think you have to personally push yourself and keep motivated. I don't think there is any excuse unless you are seriously not feeling well, and if you dialyze right then you should feel OK. Even when i am sooooooooooooooo tired and weak i still go for a run or the gym. For example last night i came home after being out all night (1am) and i went on the treadmill for half an hour because i didn't go to the gym that day. I was not feeling well yet i pushed myself because i new it was important.

The most important thing is that people are healthy as possible and feel good about how they look regardless of their size..

[charee]

People who are morbidly obese, unless they have a medical condition causing it... I believe did it to themselves. I mean c'mon.. if I saw myself getting way too big and could see where it was heading... I would look at my diet, my lifestyle... Most poeple who are over-weight nowadays, (NOT ALL), eat out alot... and the portion sizes have grown dramatically over the years... everything is supersized now... when we go to a restaurant, I can never eat everything they give me on my plate.... Not to mention most people overweight don't exercise anymore, a sedetary lifestyle has taken over this country for most people... (again, not all)... So, when your weight becomes that of morbid obesity, and you have no medical condition causing it.. you need to stop, take a look into your life from the outside, and see what is going on.

Yes, comfort eating is a big thing too... however, like I mentioned, if your becoming severly obese, you need to stop, look at your life, and try to fix the problems. Not saying you can fix whatever is causing to comfort eat, but there comes a point in time you need to look at what your eating, and how much... and stop trying to blame everyone else for your weight.

(This isn't for someone who is just "overweight", i specifically said "morbidly obese" or "severly obese" on the verge of morbidly obese.)

Have you Ever had a weight Problem ??

[angela515]

Yes.. and I am still currently trying to lose weight. HOWEVER, I am not "morbidly-obese" and that is who I was referring too... and I dont care what anyone says, unless its caused by a medical condition... it is THAT person's OWN fault to let themselves get that much overweight. I am not talking about someone who is just "overweight" I am talking about MORBIDLY OBESE.

[okarol]

   How to Begin a Walking Program


Walking is the easiest way for you to begin the exercise habit. Not only can you do it almost anywhere... it's free!

Time Required: Varies

Here's How:

   1. If you have been physically inactive for some time, or you have any health problems be sure to let your doctor know you are starting a walking regime. Proceed only with his approval.
   2. Now's the time to invest in a really good pair of sneakers. Pay special attention to the support your feet receive, and, of course comfort is key.
   3. Plot your course. Your own street, a walking track at a park, the mall... find a location that you know you will enjoy. A great walking route can turn your walk into a mini-vacation!
   4. Make a date with yourself. You need to make your walking routine a priority, just like any other appointment. Make the date and stick to it.
   5. Have a back up plan. What if it starts raining cats and dogs? Plan to take your walk indoors at the mall, or, buy a walking exercise video.
   6. Get moving! Starting slow is fine! Just 10 minutes of easy walking is better than none at all, right? When you begin to feel stronger, add five minute intervals. Make it your goal to walk three times a week.
   7. Push up to five times a week. When you feel ready, up your pace. Before you know it you'll be a true fitness walker... and just watch those pounds peeling off!


Tips:

   1. Remember, the surface you choose to walk on makes a difference. Gravel, sand, pavement, or the mall floor all have their own challenges and benefits. Find out what works best for you.
   2. Be ready for a little soreness. Standard pain relievers like Advil will help.
   3. When you've moved up to about a half hour walk, be sure to stretch some before you begin walking.
   4. You may want to invest in a pedometer. Then, keep track of how far you go each time you walk and chart your progress. What a great motivator!




from: http://weightloss.about.com/c/ht/01/05/How_Walking_Program0990990678.htm

[Sluff]

Yes.. and I am still currently trying to lose weight. HOWEVER, I am not "morbidly-obese" and that is who I was referring too... and I dont care what anyone says, unless its caused by a medical condition... it is THAT person's OWN fault to let themselves get that much overweight. I am not talking about someone who is just "overweight" I am talking about MORBIDLY OBESE.

I am morbidly obese. Just less than I was and no I couldn't help it because my metabolism was all screwed up until I got on the cyclosporine. Maybe it's all in my head I don't know but When the cyclosporine was helping me not lose protein I lost weight, the past two months when the protein loss has gotten worse I loss less weight. Coincidence?  When the meds were working I lost 7lbs a month consistently but now the meds are not working as they should and I'm only averaging 2 lbs a month.

For what it's worth, you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree. When you are hungry you will eat. Regardless how obese you are.

[glitter]

People who are morbidly obese, unless they have a medical condition causing it... I believe did it to themselves. I mean c'mon.. if I saw myself getting way too big and could see where it was heading... I would look at my diet, my lifestyle... Most poeple who are over-weight nowadays, (NOT ALL), eat out alot... and the portion sizes have grown dramatically over the years... everything is supersized now... when we go to a restaurant, I can never eat everything they give me on my plate.... Not to mention most people overweight don't exercise anymore, a sedetary lifestyle has taken over this country for most people... (again, not all)... So, when your weight becomes that of morbid obesity, and you have no medical condition causing it.. you need to stop, take a look into your life from the outside, and see what is going on.

Yes, comfort eating is a big thing too... however, like I mentioned, if your becoming severly obese, you need to stop, look at your life, and try to fix the problems. Not saying you can fix whatever is causing to comfort eat, but there comes a point in time you need to look at what your eating, and how much... and stop trying to blame everyone else for your weight.

(This isn't for someone who is just "overweight", i specifically said "morbidly obese" or "severly obese" on the verge of morbidly obese.)

 I did not say I blamed ANYONE other then myself.

I think it is easy to judge very fat people,I also don't think most really fat people blame other people for their weight problem.I think fat issues
are within each individual,and  if it was a simple fix, no-one would be fat-who would CHOOSE fatness?

By your reasoning why is just 'overweight' okay? Why not judge people who are a little overweight too? I mean it is just self-control right?

[charee]

 I did not say I blamed ANYONE other then myself.

I think it is easy to judge very fat people,I also don't think most really fat people blame other people for their weight problem.I think fat issues
are within each individual,and  if it was a simple fix, no-one would be fat-who would CHOOSE fatness?

By your reasoning why is just 'overweight' okay? Why not judge people who are a little overweight too? I mean it is just self-control right?

 Couldn't say it better myself

[angela515]

I didn't say you blamed anyone either, infact I was not referring to anyone on this site. I was watching a show on obese people and I was listening to their stories, and most if not all, blamed the world and society for them being over weight, and didnt take any responsibility for what they put in their mouth.

I don't judge "fat people", I judge people who can't seem to take responsibility for their weight issues. Obviously people who are morbidly obese chose fatness... as they were not born this way. In fact, the people I seen on this show weren't this way until there late 20's and 30's... and nobody forced them to eat fast food... nobody forced them to eat all the fatty foods they chose to eat... nobody stopped them from walking, and getting some form of exercise... THEY chose that. They weren't skinnny one day and the next morbidly obese... no it took them years to get that way, years of seeing themselves getting fatter, yet they didn't change any bad habits... if anything they used their fatness as an excuse to eat more beause (in their words) "i'm going to be fat anyways, I might as well enjoy whatever I want..".. so yah, those people did choose to be the way they are.

I never once said being "overweight" was ok either... however I was focusing on the morbidly obese in this convrsation, howveer if you would like to get into overweight people, we can. No problem. 

[kitkatz]

Let me get out the lawn chair here. The fire works are about to start and it is not even the fourth of July yet!

[BigSky]

I think it is easy to judge very fat people,I also don't think most really fat people blame other people for their weight problem.I think fat issues
are within each individual,and  if it was a simple fix, no-one would be fat-who would CHOOSE fatness?

It is very true more likely than not that no one wants to be fat.  However they say one thing and do quite the other.   Yes I did make the same poor choices myself.

People DO CHOOSE to be fat.  They choose this by the food and exercise choices they make.

It doesn't take much to get fat.  Eating just 250 more calories than you burn off in one day alone and it will make you gain 26 pounds in a year. Do that 4 years and you just gained over 100 extra pounds.  That 250 calories equates to just under two ounces of tater chips a day.  When you think about it two ounces of chips isnt a whole lot.

So in essence it is a very simple fix to correct it, however it is also just as simple to fall off of that fix.

I might also add that no one gets fat overnight, so do not think it will come off overnight.  It is said it will take just as long to take it off as it did to put it on.  However from past experience I have to say I had a whole lot more fun putting it on then I do taking it off.

[glitter]

Okay I stand corrected-being fat IS the result of a series of bad choices. However Angela-you gave your opinion as a reply to my speaking of eating as comfort-

Yes, comfort eating is a big thing too... however, like I mentioned, if your becoming severely obese, you need to stop, look at your life, and try to fix the problems. Not saying you can fix whatever is causing to comfort eat, but there comes a point in time you need to look at what your eating, and how much... and stop trying to blame everyone else for your weight

I didn't say you blamed anyone either, infact I was not referring to anyone on this site. I was watching a show on obese people and I was listening to their stories, and most if not all, blamed the world and society for them being over weight, and didnt take any responsibility for what they put in their mouth.

so no where in your post do you mention some TV show you saw-and you did not say it was people on tv blaming others for their weight-you said it in a post right here,as a reply.

(This isn't for someone who is just "overweight", i specifically said "morbidly obese" or "severely obese" on the verge of morbidly obese.

so your saying your opinion only applies to very overweight people like myself...and not people who are only minorly overweight like yourself......BS


Besides of which I posted in a thread titled SUPPORT GROUP to other posters who are also very obese,I don't think your opinion on the morbidly obese even begins to be called 'support'

[angela515]

Okay I stand corrected-being fat IS the result of a series of bad choices. However Angela-you gave your opinion as a reply to my speaking of eating as comfort-

Yes I did... I wasn't allowed too??

so no where in your post do you mention some TV show you saw-and you did not say it was people on TV blaming others for their weight-you said it in a post right here,as a reply.

I mentioned it either in my first post, or second, either way, it was mentioned. I can mention it again though, no prob. The TV show I saw on obese people, was basically interviewing these people trying to find out how they got to the point they were at. I don't think 1 person took responsibility for what they put in their mouth... and at the end of the day it DOES come down to what your eating. Back to comfort-eating.. you can still "comfort eat" and control WHAT it is your eating. Comfort eating does not mean you can only eat fatty foods, or sweets... you choose to eat those things. As for blaming society, and other people.. thats what they did, how is it anyones fault but your own what you eat? When your eating out, the portions these days are way more than anyone should be eating in one sittings... hasn't anyone heard of limiting how much you eat also?

(This isn't for someone who is just "overweight", i specifically said "morbidly obese" or "severely obese" on the verge of morbidly obese.

so your saying your opinion only applies to very overweight people like myself...and not people who are only minorly overweight like yourself......BS


Besides of which I posted in a thread titled SUPPORT GROUP to other posters who are also very obese,I don't think your opinion on the morbidly obese even begins to be called 'support'

I never said my opinion only applies to severely overweight people... I said thats what my discussion started about, that and morbidly obese people.  I also never said it doesn't apply to minorly overweight people either... I just mentioned what I was talking about and pointing out. Personally, I don't think I'm overweight.. I wear a size 12 in jeans, to me I could lose a few lbs, but more importantly a few inches.. but according to my BMI, it says I am "overweight". So if thats the case, and I am in fact overweight, then I obviously need to change some habits myself, and I know I do, however I know I cant do the exercise I need to do to get into shape for another few weeks, due to still  healing, so I am enjoying eating the foods I have not  been able to eat in almost 3 years. Obviously I should be changing what I am eating if I'm overweight, and I will... one thing at a time.. as to not overwhelm myself and quit.

As for the topic of this thread, I thought it fit, but I can certainly start a new thread discussing this. I shall do that after I post this.

[glitter]

yep-you can say anything you want to-I never said you couldn't.

I mentioned it either in my first post, or second, either way, it was mentioned.

nope-not mentioned

It seems that it is politcally correct to say hateful things to fat people,wether they are morbidly obese,or just a little fat.

It does seem to me-like everytime I try to stick my neck out there on this subject-some mostly skinny person is always there to tell me its my own fault.  Of course it is.
Does it make you feel better as a person to point out to fat people what they already know? Or were you just trying to 'enlighten' me?

[angela515]

Wow glitter, you sure take something that was never pointed directly at you very personally. I was speaking in GENERAL, and to be honest I didnt know you were overweight, so therefore my posts were NEVER pointed directly at you, or anyone else here for that matter. I was just stating an opinion on a subject that I feel needs to be discussed.

Obviously people who are SEVERLY AND MORBIDLY overweight DONT know they have a problem, or they would TRY to do something about it. Even if it was just one little thing at a time.. and doing it slowly... they would TRY, for the people who dont try, they obviously dont know they have a problem, or they could care less about the problem, one of the two.  It SADDENS me to know that someone has a problem but chooses to not do anything to change it. I could careless if somoene is overweight but there happy with how they are, and will have no medical issues come about b/c of it... however, most ppl who are that much overweight, arent happy with it.

And no, it dont make me happy as a person to point it out as you mentioned, but it does bring me happiness to know I want to help people and very happy when they except the help.




EDITED: Keep This Thread on Topic. Sluff, Moderator

 New Thread Started to discuss / debate Obesity here: http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=2662.0              
           

[goofynina]

Angela, this is supposed to be a support group, from your posts, i see no support, just scolding (if thats what you want to call it)  Why cant you say something to us "morbidly obese" and i consider myself morbidly obese, why cant you say something positive like,  let today be the first day of the rest of your life, whatever reason got you this way, let it go, you know, it isnt like i just said, oh, i am going to eat all of this and i am going to get fat, oh well,  some (me for one)  look to food for comfort, for security for things that has happend to me in my past (that you have no clue) ,  food helps me forget all the bad things that has happend to me, although i have an awesome hubby and awesome friends and family, that still doesnt take away the happiness and the satisfaction i get with food.  So before you start this bullshit about why you say fat people are fat,  have a little compassion and think about what they could've happend to them to get them this way.  After all, you did say you want to "help" people,  well then help them, dont condem them before you get the facts.

Glitter, your beautiful girlfriend, keep on keepin' on

[angela515]

I will just shut my mouth.  No problem. You wont here another word out of me.

Oh and BTW glitter, yah, keep on keepin on... even though I WASNT talking to you or about you, yet you wanted to make it personal. 

[kitkatz]

Going back to the support topic started here.  I think everyone needs to be aware of what they are eating and when they are eating it.   I can often forget I have eaten something and then compound the error by eating again.  *Sigh* 
Anyway my lovely ones out there, make yourself a healthy meal at least once a day.

[angela515]

Dieting on dialysis is not easy by far... I remember trying to diet on dialysis since the first day I was back on dialysis in 2004. Normal healthy people usually have 2 catergory's 1) "Good for you foods" and 2) "Not good for you foods". For people on dialysis, the catergories vary.. from.. 1) "Foods high in sodium" 2) "Foods high in phosphorus" 3) "Foods high in potassium" and for diabetics "Foods high in sugar" Foods high in carbs", and so on... finally you get your 2 catergories "Foods I can eat on dialysis" and "Foods I better not eat or better eat sparingly" from there we can then break it down to "These foods are going to make me gain weight" and "These foods should be healthy for me".

So that can be frustrating in itself.  I think the main thing to start losing weight while on dialysis, is start walking... just simple walking. 10 minutes at a time if thats all you can do, and eventually add more or more times a day. After you get that down, and you start seeing some changes like feeling more energy and such, then worry about the eating part of it.

Thats what helped me when I got severally frustrated with trying to lose weight and was getting nowhere. Hope it helps some. 

[joanna2007]

I've just spent the last hour reading all 8 pages of this thread.   whew.   As a newbie I just wanted to give a couple of thoughts.

Regarding all the discussion of the BMI....I want to encourage those of you that have a long way to go (like me).  When I first went for my pre transplant testing I was at 44 BMI, my doctor said I was lucky I had a 'fat ass' so he thought if I could just get down to 38 BMI I would be okay for the transplant. (I carry most of my weight in my hips and legs..lucky me)  To get to that point I need to lose about 30 lbs.  I've lost 12, but it's slow going.  I realize I'd be doing myself a huge favor if I could get down to 30 BMI ( a total of 70 lbs to get there)

Anyway, would love to hear how everyone is doing today.   Have a great day and keep eating healthy.

Joanna




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[Sluff]

I've just spent the last hour reading all 8 pages of this thread.   whew.   As a newbie I just wanted to give a couple of thoughts.

Regarding all the discussion of the BMI....I want to encourage those of you that have a long way to go (like me).  When I first went for my pre transplant testing I was at 44 BMI, my doctor said I was lucky I had a 'fat ass' so he thought if I could just get down to 38 BMI I would be okay for the transplant. (I carry most of my weight in my hips and legs..lucky me)  To get to that point I need to lose about 30 lbs.  I've lost 12, but it's slow going.  I realize I'd be doing myself a huge favor if I could get down to 30 BMI ( a total of 70 lbs to get there)

Anyway, would love to hear how everyone is doing today.   Have a great day and keep eating healthy.

Joanna

Keep on keeping on Joanna, you can do it, congratulations on your success so far. 

[jbeany]

I got the same response from the transplant surgeon that you did, Joanna - I "carry my weight well".  How nice of him not to just point out my butt is too big!  The surgeon did reccommend that I keep trying to lose weight, and said that another 10 or 15 pounds would be optimal (that puts me close to the 30 BMI).  I haven't had much luck with the diet part.  It's hard for me to cut much else without feeling like I'm totally depriving myself, and I've been eating less than 2000 calories a day as it is.  So I'm just trying to do more exercise.  On my good days, I'm up to 35 or 40 minutes on my exercise machine.  It was a long time coming to get to that point, though!  Frustrating that with all the exercise and calorie cutting, and all I've done is drop 2/10ths of a kilogram in the last month.  Ah well, at least I'm not gaining anything. . .

[angela515]

Sometimes I think to myself being severly over-weight might be easier (although I know it wouldn't), but I feel this way because I have about 20 lbs to lose, therefore I must do it on my own, and it's hard to do. If I was obese, I could opt for gastric by-pass or the stomache band surgery... seems alot easier. Ya know? I know technically and emotionally it wouldnt be easier, but its just how I feel sometimes when im trying to lose weight, b/c it seems that 20 lbs is stuck like glue to me.

Had to vent that out there.

[goofynina]

Sometimes I think to myself being severly over-weight might be easier (although I know it wouldn't), but I feel this way because I have about 20 lbs to lose, therefore I must do it on my own, and it's hard to do. If I was obese, I could opt for gastric by-pass or the stomache band surgery... seems alot easier. Ya know? I know technically and emotionally it wouldnt be easier, but its just how I feel sometimes when im trying to lose weight, b/c it seems that 20 lbs is stuck like glue to me.

Had to vent that out there.

Being someone who is "severly overweight"  i am not even going to go there on this one 

[angela515]

I know it wouldn't be easier Susie, I'm just saying how I "feel", on how hard it is to get any help when u only have 20 lbs to lose, there isn't no Dr's who will help ya.. they will just say walk it off... u know? I wasn't being literal

[goofynina]

I know Angela, no worries,  i guess i was just posting what was on MY mind since i can only WISH i only had 20 lbs. to lose