Right or wrong?

[kristina]

Dear friends, are potatoes bad for end-stage renal failure patients? Like boiled potatoes with butter or baked potatoes? Kind regards from Kristina: schmidt56@yahoo.co.uk








EDITED:Moved to diet and recipes section-kitkatz,Moderator

[Rerun]

Kristina, why would you put this topic under "Introduce Yourself".  READ!  There is a section for Frequently asked questions or diet and recipes!

Get to know this forum!   

[twirl]

we should boil and drain then first
but instead
I only eat a very small amount
after awhile, you get used to eating less or not eating them
go to Davita.com recipes     that will help
glad to know you

[Rerun]

Now that we are in the right spot....


High potassium foods are to be avoided.  That doesn't mean "never".  Potatoes are high potassium.  You can leach out some potassium by cubing or slicing up the potatoes and placing them in a huge pot of cold water and letting them set for 6 to 8 hours.  You can rinse them after the first 3 hours and fill the pot back up for the other 3 hours for better result. 

Then as Twirl said use portion control.  Don't eat a huge amount.  Butter is okay and sour cream.  Yummy!

[peleroja]

Butter is okay and sour cream.  Yummy!

Butter and sour cream are both dairy products and high in phosphorus.  You need to limit dairy products.

[paul.karen]

Seems like if it taste good and you enjoy it it isnt good for you.....
thats my take on it.

[Rerun]

Butter is okay and sour cream.  Yummy!

Butter and sour cream are both dairy products and high in phosphorus.  You need to limit dairy products.

Actually sour cream and cream cheese and in fact cottege cheese are okay to eat. A little bit of butter is okay especially the no salt kind.  I'm not saying to eat a whole cube.

Take a look at your phosphorous lists:  http://www.nephinc.com/food-lists.asp#Phosphorus

[Wenchie58]

LOL!  I agree with P & K....if it makes you drool...it's not allowed.

[Rerun]

That is just not true.  If you want to PIG-OUT then it is not allowed, but you can taste or have a little bit of something.  I keep the small bite-sized York Peppermint Patties in my fridge and I'll have one and just enjoy the heck out of it.  ONE not FIVE!  I'm talking between dialysis sessions.  NOT one a DAY!  ONE in between dialysis sessions. 

I eat sour cream on lots of things because you don't dump a whole tub on anything.  Just a Tablespoon here and there.

[Zach]

That is just not true.  If you want to PIG-OUT then it is not allowed, but you can taste or have a little bit of something.  I keep the small bite-sized York Peppermint Patties in my fridge and I'll have one and just enjoy the heck out of it.  ONE not FIVE!  I'm talking between dialysis sessions.  NOT one a DAY!  ONE in between dialysis sessions. 

I eat sour cream on lots of things because you don't dump a whole tub on anything.  Just a Tablespoon here and there.

 
Thanks Rerun for reminding everyone that ...
Managing the renal diet is all about portion control.

[paul.karen]

LOL
Bless you rerun.
I am a man.  Hard to have just a nibble of anything.
But i do hear what you are saying

[boxman55]

As someone who is a diabetic and ESRD patient I can only it Cardboard...Boxman

[Wenchie58]

Only if it's low salt, fat free cardboard Boxman.....read the label!  lol

[mikey07840]

Only if it's low salt, fat free cardboard Boxman.....read the label!  lol

Correction: Only if it's low salt, fat free, sugar free, carb free cardboard.

[Wenchie58]

I get ripped up here quite often for typing that something might not be allowed...and I get told that in moderation things are ok, so I put it to the test.
Today I went to transplant clinic and had my once bi monthly visit with the surgeon (usually see a Nurse Practitioner).  They always go over the do's and don'ts of my diet...which I am very good at following.
So..she gets to the "beans and nuts" speech....tells me I cannot have them....I say..."but in moderation...occasionally"...WELL...you'da thought I slapped her!  LOL!  She looks aver her glasses at me and says....."Did you hear the word moderation come out of my mouth?"
GULP!  Nope....no beans or nuts!  Gotcha! 
Guess it all depends on our individual situations, medical issues and status.  Gonna go sit in the corner with Boxman and share cardboard!  (Actually making homemade chicken soup, yummers!!)

[Zach]

So..she gets to the "beans and nuts" speech....tells me I cannot have them....I say..."but in moderation...occasionally"...WELL...you'da thought I slapped her!  LOL!  She looks aver her glasses at me and says....."Did you hear the word moderation come out of my mouth?"
GULP!  Nope....no beans or nuts!  Gotcha! 
Guess it all depends on our individual situations, medical issues and status. 

That may be true if someone suffers from kidney stones.

These folks work from the perspective that people on dialysis really don't know how to manage their renal diets, so it's easier just to say "don't eat that at all."  Unfortunately that assumption may be true in some cases.

[kimcanada]

I get ripped up here quite often for typing that something might not be allowed...and I get told that in moderation things are ok, so I put it to the test.
Today I went to transplant clinic and had my once bi monthly visit with the surgeon (usually see a Nurse Practitioner).  They always go over the do's and don'ts of my diet...which I am very good at following.
So..she gets to the "beans and nuts" speech....tells me I cannot have them....I say..."but in moderation...occasionally"...WELL...you'da thought I slapped her!  LOL!  She looks aver her glasses at me and says....."Did you hear the word moderation come out of my mouth?"
GULP!  Nope....no beans or nuts!  Gotcha! 
Guess it all depends on our individual situations, medical issues and status.  Gonna go sit in the corner with Boxman and share cardboard!  (Actually making homemade chicken soup, yummers!!)

I thought you were done with dialysis, do you mean to tell me beans and nuts are stil a no no after transplant??

[Romona]

I get ripped up here quite often for typing that something might not be allowed...and I get told that in moderation things are ok, so I put it to the test.
Today I went to transplant clinic and had my once bi monthly visit with the surgeon (usually see a Nurse Practitioner).� They always go over the do's and don'ts of my diet...which I am very good at following.
So..she gets to the "beans and nuts" speech....tells me I cannot have them....I say..."but in moderation...occasionally"...WELL...you'da thought I slapped her!� LOL!� She looks aver her glasses at me and says....."Did you hear the word moderation come out of my mouth?"
GULP!� Nope....no beans or nuts!� Gotcha!�
Guess it all depends on our individual situations, medical issues and status.� Gonna go sit in the corner with Boxman and share cardboard!� (Actually making homemade chicken soup, yummers!!)


I just got the up your dairy and beans speech. Some of the meds can damage the renal tubals and cause too much phosphorous and bi-carbs to be lost. Also keeping magnesium levels low. So all the things that I had to watch before I now have to eat. Before since I wasn't supposed to eat it I wanted all this stuff. Now that I am supposed to eat more of this stuff, I don't want it. 

I thought you were done with dialysis, do you mean to tell me beans and nuts are stil a no no after transplant??

Depending on your labs. You might need to eat more of it. the hardest for me was to eat more red meat when I was anemic after the transplant.

[Wenchie58]

Kim..

  After a bunch of trial and error with my diet after transplant (my new kidney doesn't deal with the potassium for some reason that they haven't explained to me as of yet)  Those two things seem to really tweak my labs.  Potatoes (that I do the soaky thing to) don't increase my levels....but a half cup of homemade bean soup or a quarter cup of peanuts makes it so high they make me drink the nasty stuff  lol  They keep tellin me I am weird....I honestly cant disagree with that sometimes!   But I keep SMILING!

I really do eat very well, follow the rules and such.  I agree with Romona....I didn't care about the stuff til they call it a no no.  They push meat on me constantly...I understand the protein thing, but thats something I could go without completely.  Soon I am sure I will grow fins or feathers....which...either one will be attractive, I am sure! 

[pelagia]

Butter is okay and sour cream.  Yummy!

Butter and sour cream are both dairy products and high in phosphorus.  You need to limit dairy products.

Actually sour cream and cream cheese and in fact cottege cheese are okay to eat. A little bit of butter is okay especially the no salt kind.  I'm not saying to eat a whole cube.

Take a look at your phosphorous lists:  http://www.nephinc.com/food-lists.asp#Phosphorus

The phosphorus in dairy products is mostly associated with the protein part, not the fat part, so butter is actually very low in phosphorus.  Sour cream (full fat) and cream cheese are also relatively low in phosphorus for the same reason (high % fat).  Cottage cheese has less % fat, so relatively more phosphorus, and is pretty high in sodium, so maybe not the best option relative to the others.

Unsalted Butter (1 tbsp) has 3.3 mg phosphorus, 3.7 mg potassium, 1.6 mg sodium.
Sour cream (1 tbsp) has 15.1 mg phosphorus, 17.3 mg potassium, 42.9 mg sodium.
Cream Cheese (1 tbsp) has 10.2 mg phosphorus, 17.3 mg potassium, 6.4 mg sodium
Cottage Cheese (4 oz.) has 149.2 mg phosphorus, 94.9 mg potassium, 457.6 mg sodium

I know that few will be interested in this tidbit, but here goes. When my husband was on dialysis I was somewhat baffled by the diet.  The scientist in me wanted to know why some foods are high in phosphorus and others aren't.  After thinking about it a little, I had a hunch and it turned out to be true.  Phosphorus is most concentrated in things that grow fast, and in food items that contain a reproductive part.  For example, chicken has more phosphorus per ounce than beef and fryer chickens have more phosphorus per ounce than roasting chickens.  Beans, grains, nuts and wheat germ are the reproductive parts of plants, hence they are full of phosphorus.  Milk is meant for baby calves that need to grow fast - and milk is high in phosphorus.  A plant or animal that is growing rapidly needs ATP to support that growth.  Your body uses phosphorus to make ATP, which is a key molecule for energy transfer within cells.

[Zach]

Your body uses phosphorus to make ATP, which is a key molecule for energy transfer within cells.

It's those little "power plants," the mitochondria.