Is there a GOD? - ding! ding! ding ding geeeeet reaaaaaady toooooo rummmmble!!!!

[Bajanne]

Written by men, inspired by God.

[kitkatz]

The Bible is a book of history written by men.  I would like to know who consecrated it and made it so holy?  I understand that the word of God is precious and it should be honored but get a grip.  There are many books written by many religions that say similar things that the Bible says. Love one another.  Peace. Honor your parents.  Do not steal.  And on and on...

Katherine

[Bajanne]

That is not all it says.  It says that God has a purpose for us.  He became a man so that we could become one with Him.  This life in which we experience all kinds of challenges is not the ultimate goal.  The ultimate goal is oneness with Him.  That is what make sense out of what would otherwise be absolute nonsense.

[Rerun]

bajanne - I agree.  Not that anyone cares.....but God.

[hephziba]

Ding dong merily on high

[Robert]

I don't need arguements for and against God to persuade me one way or another, all I do is open my eyes each day and God reveals himself.

Nothing so complex as life on earth can possible happen by chance

[Epoman]

I don't need arguements for and against God to persuade me one way or another, all I do is open my eyes each day and God reveals himself.

Nothing so complex as life on earth can possible happen by chance

VERY WELL SAID! 

- Epoman

[Robert]

I don't need arguments for and against God to persuade me one way or another, all I do is open my eyes each day and God reveals himself.

Nothing so complex as life on earth can possible happen by chance

VERY WELL SAID! 

- Epoman

Thank you Epoman.

The problem with God is I think a man made thing. God only asks a simple act of faith from us, his promise is life, but we as humans need to complicate things with arguments for and against.

Our eyes see the truth but the arguments blind us, the truth is in creation and the diversity and complexity of it, because we have enquiring minds we need to know why.

Have the people who question the existence of God ever thought about doing a strange thing, sit quietly one day and ask God to reveal his glory, ask for a personal relationship, then sit back open your eyes and wait to see the truth.

I understand completely why people should question, but all I say I hope with sincerity that one day you can look for God with the same determination you use to deny his existence.

The door is always open knock and see it open.

[Bajanne]

AMEN!!

[hyperlite]

Or maybe its our "human brains" that need to simplify things? Instead of accepting that things may just be so complicated that we cannot understand them. Maybe accepting that something as complicated as the circulatory system may have just been created by chance. Maybe its our human brains that are hardwired to believe in a higher-being for means of survival. It gives us a purpose...  Maybe our brains just can't grasp the concept of nothingness and infinite. To think that the universe goes on forever is mind boggling. To think that when I die, I won't exist anymore, just hurts my head. It makes me feel sad. Maybe I "evolved" to think that there is something more, so I have the determination to live on? 

Just throwing that out there... 

[kitkatz]

Well said both of you.  Sitting and letting "God" or "Spirit" work through you is a good idea.  Many good ideas have come my way because I have quieted the ruckus in my life and let my spirit really communicate with me.

Katherine

[goofynina]

Hello everyone,  Can i get everyone's input on when they believe the Sabbath Day is?  Me being Catholic, i'd say Sunday, but my friends being Seventh Day Adventist say Saturday,  Can someone show me where i can prove who is right and who is wrong.  It has sparked quite a few arguments lately.  Thanks

[Sara]

Nina, from what I understand it was Saturday (which is why Jews have their religious observation on Saturday) but the Christian Church changed it to Sunday after/in respect of Jesus.  Don't know when that happened though.

[Rerun]

What I've heard time and time again, is it doesn't get you to heaven if you go to church on Saturday or Sunday.  It is admitting you are a sinner and asking God into your heart that saves you.

[Epoman]

Nina, from what I understand it was Saturday (which is why Jews have their religious observation on Saturday) but the Christian Church changed it to Sunday after/in respect of Jesus.  Don't know when that happened though.

What I was taught is that any day can be your sabbath as long as you leave one day a week for rest your are ok. I mean what about the poor souls working at Burger King ( a fastfood franchise) on Sat or Sun are they going to hell?

- Epoman

[Bajanne]

What I've heard time and time again, is it doesn't get you to heaven if you go to church on Saturday or Sunday.  It is admitting you are a sinner and asking God into your heart that saves you.

I am in total agreement.

[goofynina]

LMAO @ Epoman,  never thought of it that way,   i like all the replies i got, they all make sense and have made me feel a little more comfortable with my thoughts....THANKS EVERYONE!!!

[Epoman]

LMAO @ Epoman,  never thought of it that way,   i like all the replies i got, they all make sense and have made me feel a little more comfortable with my thoughts....THANKS EVERYONE!!!

  See how deep I can be. 

- Epoman

[SpeedFleX]

I believe there's a god I don't think how ever that he somehow does miracles down here on earth, when I hear something like there was a car crash my friend died I feel sad but then when they say if something so awful happens there must be no god I just get kinda of mad. I mean god gave us the will to do what we want down here. And when people choose the wrong path instead of looking in the mirror and and trying to change themselves they blame god and they hate.

God gave us choice what we do with that now is all up to us.

I for one will live my life and am thankful for what god gave me life but I now have my life in my hands.


Also when people say My dad worked all day in the church and was never there for me so I started drinking and doing drugs who's fault is that really? It's a sad story but it was not god's will that someone works there butt off all day at church that was there decision.

[BigSky]

I would agree there is a God.

However the bibles view is corrupt and severely flawed and flat out wrong in places IMO.

[Bajanne]

I would agree there is a God.

However the bibles view is corrupt and severely flawed and flat out wrong in places IMO.

Not trying to be confrontational, but on what are you basing that opinion?   Do you have something to compare it with to know that it is corrupt and severely flawed?  Could you share one of those flat-out-wrong places?

[BigSky]

Not trying to be confrontational, but on what are you basing that opinion?   Do you have something to compare it with to know that it is corrupt and severely flawed?  Could you share one of those flat-out-wrong places?

Confrontational?   I do not see it that way at all.  Discussion is always a good thing.   

Do not get me wrong.  I do believe there is a God.  Also I believe the bible to indeed have some truth and fact to it.  But I do not view the bible as totally the truth and unflawed as many Christians believe.  It is a book that was written to give inspiration and hope to a troubled people, to document history, and tell stories.

I say flawed because besides the obvious things, is that it was written by man, not God.  As we know man is flawed and therefore anything man does will be flawed to some extent.  Also because the bible was not written as one book, but was many writtings put together by a committee of man who himself selected what was Godly and deserved to be canonized.




Well there are many things that could be brought up.  Best to start at the beginning of the bible.

It begins with Genesis.

There are certain things we can look past.  I.E.  The two different stories of creation.

However the first big flaw is that of man and his start on Earth.  By the Bible man has only been on Earth for roughly 6,000-6500 years.  (I do not have the exact number off the top of my head)

Several things have proved that man has been on Earth longer than what is stated in the OT.

1. Scientific
                A.-- Archaeological
                B.--  Environmental

2.  Actual histories of cultures themselves that predate Adam and Eve, and the documentation of environmental events by these cultures.


Of which thousands of American Indian tribes have their own stories of Creation and evidence that they we were  here far longer than 10,000 years ago. 


So what is most likely to be flawed?  The thousands of cultures, noted major environmental events and archaeological evidence which all point to the same thing or a passage in the bible written by a man who wasn't even around at the time creation of man on earth occurred?


No I am not saying God didnt create man.  What I am saying is that the man who wrote when man first walked the Earth in the bible got it wrong.











 

[Bajanne]

The interesting thing is that if you check most of the aboriginal people around the world, they all have a story about the beginning of the world that has striking similarities with the Genesis version.
You see, we believe that the men who wrote the Bible were inspired of God. and if is He is God, worth anything, how hard would it be to make sure that the record that He has left for man is as the orange ad says 'simply unfooled around with'?

[Sluff]

I absolutely believe in God. I believe in Jesus. The things I'm not sure about is going to church.

I know what the bible says about churches and tithing but I think bibles are open for interpretation.

I believe that I can work 7 days a week if I need to to keep a roof over my family's head.

The church only wants my money.

It's how you live your life, as long as what you do is out of love and not hate.

You can be a godly person without going to church. Where two or more are gathered in his name is acceptable.

So here I go just speaking my mind...

[BigSky]

The interesting thing is that if you check most of the aboriginal people around the world, they all have a story about the beginning of the world that has striking similarities with the Genesis version.
You see, we believe that the men who wrote the Bible were inspired of God. and if is He is God, worth anything, how hard would it be to make sure that the record that He has left for man is as the orange ad says 'simply unfooled around with'?

Creation of the world and the claim of when man first walked it are entirely different. 

As to being inspired.  Hmm that must mean all Christians are Mormons now.    After all the book of Mormon is the latest testament that was INSPIRED by God.