Spring 2018 North Korea/US meeting

[Rerun]

Dead Cat... Live Cat.... ??

 

[Bill Peckham]

What happens when two world leaders meet who:

(a) Never travel without a plethora of armed bodyguards
(b) Are protected by professionals who do not allow anyone without the highest level of clearance to be armed in the presence of the regent.

Would the US Secret Service really allow armed North Koreans in the room with Trump?   Would the fat boy go in unarmed to a meeting at which the US President was surrounded by armed Secret Service agents?

Just wondering how that worked.

From everything I've seen on TV the person setting up the meeting has their second in command check the other primary for weapons. It would be too dishonorable for the one setting up the meeting to kill the guest. However, I am not sure who invited whom any more, I assume part of the setup for the meeting was to consult Mario Puzio's ghost for this specific situation. The meeting itself is usually over Italian food when it is just two people, again the sacredness of the food means it can not be poisoned. This is the way it's been done for hundreds of years.

I'm sure the secret service knows this but incase the summit location has those old fashioned kind of toilets, the kind with the tank up on the wall with a cord coming down, the Secrete Service needs to check carefully behind the tank for any object taped up in there.

[Rerun]

Blessed are the Peacemakers....

I hope there can finally be peace in Korea.   

[Simon Dog]

incase the summit location has those old fashioned kind of toilets

Fat boy brings his own toilet when he travels to prevent foreign spys from running labs on his output.

George W Bush was reported to do the same thing (http://rense.com/general72/fexc.htm)

Not sure if Trump brings his own toilet.

[iolaire]

Didn't take long:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/politics/north-korea-infrastructure-improvements-nuclear-facility/index.html
I looked for a Fox News story on this and could not find one. 

[MooseMom]

It doesn't matter anymore because Trump got the photo op he wanted.  That's all that matters.  Anyway, that's old news.  Every day there's some new weirdness.

[Rerun]

If true, I would think Trump would stick to his word about going back to where we were.  Military war games will continue in South Korea and ships back on Fat Boys coast.  I hope it is not true.  Trump has been a little distracted lately.  Too Bad.      

MAGA

[Michael Murphy]

Mean while the North Koreans are modernizing there plutonium facility, big time.  They got all sorts of things from our Presidunce and gave away nothing.  The art of the deal was trumped by Kim’s Art of the Steal.

[Rerun]

Your short term memory really worries me.  You need to get that checked out.

We got 3 prisoners back ALIVE and we didn't ship them billions of dollars in cash in exchange (of their own money)  In other words we didn't give money back to the Mafia. 

  

[Michael Murphy]

No we gave them standing as a equal to the US, gave them guarantees that we would honor their sovereignty, promised to end war games, and what did we get back nada. Trump gave the NK every thing they have tried to get for decades. Something about communist dictators make trum fold like a 3 dollar lawn char being used by a 300 pound person.  The Iranians allowed inspectors, disabled the plutonium production and every one but Netanyahu and trump was satisfied.  That would include England, France, Germany, and Italy.   The Israely governments proof was a set of 20 year old documents that represented work 20 to 30 years old.  However it was presented as new proof or Iranian cheating.  It was pure BS designed to force the US to repudiate the treaty and be forced into bomb Iranian nuclear sites.  The reason the Iranians were willing to sign the treaty was the US had bombs designed to blast the under ground facilities.  So the Presidunce is scraping the Iranian deal which stopped the Iranian nuclear ambitions and gave the lunatic dictator every thing he wanted and as we speak he is upgrading his plutonium manufacturing facilities.

[MooseMom]

If true, I would think Trump would stick to his word about going back to where we were.  Military war games will continue in South Korea and ships back on Fat Boys coast.   

I sorta agree with this.

I remember when then-candidate Obama said he'd talk to Iran, and he received so much abuse from the GOP.  He explained that there is never anything solved if you don't talk.  I didn't see anything wrong with that logic.  And talking DID bring results, that being the Iran nuclear deal (which we have now pulled out of, which I really don't understand).

So, when Trump raised the possibility of talking to Kim, I was okay with that.  The same logic applied.  I didn't really care if anyone's ego got stroked.  I was more interested in the results than the dance.  If talking to Kim gave him "legitimacy", I didn't care.  Small price to pay for a modicum of denuclearization.

I didn't care, either, that Trump offered, and DID, halt joint military exercises with the South (although it did worry me a bit that this was a unilateral decision made without consulting/warning our own military, S. Korea or Japan).  Someone has to make the first move.  Someone has to make that first concession in good faith.

So, the whole world now knows that the US has held its hand out to Kim, let Kim look good on TV and has made that all important first move.  It did worry me that we never did hear what N. Korea would offer in return, but I was willing to let that slide for exactly the reason that Rerun has pointed out.

N. Korea has been dragged out of their cave, even if just for a moment, and has been pushed into the sunlight.  The upshot of that is if now it is seen that N. Korea is ramping up their nuclear capabilities, all despite Kim having been granted what he wanted, the repercussions will be all that more harsh.  Kim will now look like the troll he really is.  He wanted the spotlight, and now it is still shining upon him.

Like Rerun said, the US can just start exercises again and can even ramp them up since Kim has given the US all of the reasons in the world.

[Michael Murphy]

It would appear that the war games could be restarted without loss of military preparedness, however the troops that train today may not be the troops you use tomorrow.  While the 2 infantry division is station in Korea the personei assigned changes yearly.  Today’s games teach the war fighters in US and Soth Korea the capabilities of their allies and builds confidence in the alliance. There is a reason NK wants them to stop.

[Rerun]

We were supposed to get war remains sent back home.  I'm not sure they got that done yet.


MAGA 

[willowtreewren]

Although tRump claimed that 200 remains had been returned, the most recent news I could find was that plans for the transfer were still in the preliminary stages.

[Rerun]

At least President Trump didn't grant "Citizenship" to half of North Korea.  Like oBoMa did.

Thanks for that Chump!~

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/02/obama-administration-granted-citizenship-to-2500-iranians-during-nuclear-deal-iran-official.html

[MooseMom]

Did you read the article?  Can you count how many times the words "claimed" and "allegedly" were used?  Not a single "claim" has been substantiated.  Even the Fox News analyst says it sound like made up BS.

[Bill Peckham]

At least President Trump didn't grant "Citizenship" to half of North Korea.  Like oBoMa did.

Thanks for that Chump!~

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/02/obama-administration-granted-citizenship-to-2500-iranians-during-nuclear-deal-iran-official.html

Your justifications are getting worse and worse Rerun. Sad!

Here is a documented uncontested fact:
On July 3rd, 1988 the US Navy shot down Iran Air Flight 655 killing all two hundred and ninety innocent men and women including sixty six children on board. Instead of issuing an apology the US gave everyone aboard the Navy ship a medal.

And you wonder why they chant death to America.

Trump has accomplished these things we can all see -

Higher gas prices - because he blew up the Iran deal
Lower quality of life in rural America -  because of health care policies
Looming unemployment - because of incoherence on trade policy
National Security Vulnerability - because of bizarre attitude of the President towards US allies
National Security Vulnerability - because of bizarre attitude of the President towards US enemies

[willowtreewren]

At least President Trump didn't grant "Citizenship" to half of North Korea.  Like oBoMa did.

Thanks for that Chump!~

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/02/obama-administration-granted-citizenship-to-2500-iranians-during-nuclear-deal-iran-official.html

Really? 

RR, you should spend at least a little more time fact checking than the PO(TU)S does.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-latest-anti-obama-conspiracy-theory-quickly-unravels

[kickingandscreaming]

Willowtreewren, don't you know that facts are so 2015!   So passe.  They mean less than nothing to trumpfanciers.  Don't even waste your time.  They are incapable of grasping reality.

[Michael Murphy]

While the shoot down of the aircraft was unfortunate it occurred on a day Iranian boghammer boats were making repeated attack runs on the Ticonderoga class cruiser. This was at a time when the Iranian navy was using Swedish light boats called Boghammers to attack gulf shipping.  So the Iranian airliner took of without a transponder from a airfield that f14s were based at and flew a flight profile that the crew assumed was a attack run on the cruiser.  The US radioed the plane to break off it didn’t they fired 2 standard missles and shot down the airliner.  It was unfortunate but if the Iranians hadn’t created conditions in the gulf that the crew had reasons to fear a attack.  Plus this occurred 13 months after the USS Stark was hit by a Iraqi Exocet almost sinking the Stark.

[Bill Peckham]

While the shoot down of the aircraft was unfortunate it occurred on a day Iranian boghammer boats were making repeated attack runs on the Ticonderoga class cruiser. This was at a time when the Iranian navy was using Swedish light boats called Boghammers to attack gulf shipping.  So the Iranian airliner took of without a transponder from a airfield that f14s were based at and flew a flight profile that the crew assumed was a attack run on the cruiser.  The US radioed the plane to break off it didn’t they fired 2 standard missles and shot down the airliner.  It was unfortunate but if the Iranians hadn’t created conditions in the gulf that the crew had reasons to fear a attack.  Plus this occurred 13 months after the USS Stark was hit by a Iraqi Exocet almost sinking the Stark.

That is Captain Rogers story too ... didn't hold up https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1993-08/vincennes-case-study

And then the US and Iran settled and the US paid Iran $66 million "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident..."

[Michael Murphy]

 Oh there is no doubt that the Vincennes should have realized it was a airliner but the apology and 66 million dollar payment was a attempt to reach a under standing with Iran.  Never the less the Iranians aggression in the gulf created the circumstances were created by the Iranian aggression if my memory is correct the captain was never again in charge of a US warship.  However if the Iranians had there transponder on the shoot down probably would not have happened.

[Rerun]

I have not heard much about the thought that N. Korea was building more .......  Not sure that wasn't but FAKE NEWS.

I guess we will find out. 

[willowtreewren]

I have not heard much about the thought that N. Korea was building more .......  Not sure that wasn't but FAKE NEWS.

I guess we will find out.

I can only assume that any news that does not jibe with your adulation of the current *president* is fake news. A simple search could have yielded numerous accounts of the most recent news regarding NK, but you did not take the time to do that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-has-increased-nuclear-production-secret-sites-say-u-n887926

Note, that NBC is still considered highly reliable and fairly balanced by independent critics.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2152967/fresh-signs-life-yongbyon-heart-north-koreas-nuclear

Always interesting to read news coming from foreign sources.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-still-building-at-nuclear-research-facility-despite-summit-diplomacy-1530100351

And the Wall Street Journal, which leans right.

Please stop with the fake news ploy. One of the first things done by any regime that wants to control its citizens is to discredit news sources. That makes it far easier to dupe them with carefully filtered propaganda. Falling back on claims of Fake News is a good indication that one has fallen for the tactic.

It is really, REALLY important to read widely from multiple sources that aren't just parroting one another.

[Michael Murphy]

South Korea released photos of massive upgrades at the main North Korean plutonium site, plus more upgrades at its main middle factory.  Fake news is any news the Presidunce thinks Putin’s bad light.  He believes the Israeli made up BS about Iran but actual evidence of NK adding to its nuclear and rocket capabilities is some how fake news, there is a German expression of people so gullible it’s he lives in cloud cuckoo land.