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BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman opened fire in a Virginia Tech dorm and then, two hours later, shot up a classroom building across campus Monday, killing 32 people in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history. The gunman committed suicide, bringing the death toll to 33.

 
Students bitterly complained that there were no public-address announcements on campus after the first burst of gunfire. Many said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage — around the time the gunman struck again.

Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said authorities believed that the shooting at the dorm was a domestic dispute and mistakenly thought the gunman had fled the campus.

"We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur," he said.

He defended the university's handling of the tragedy, saying: "We can only make decisions based on the information you had on the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it."

Investigators offered no motive for the attack. The gunman's name was not immediately released, and it was not known if he was a student.

The shootings spread panic and confusion on campus. Witnesses reporting students jumping out the windows of a classroom building to escape the gunfire. SWAT team members with helmets, flak jackets and assault rifles swarmed over the campus. Students and faculty members carried out some of the wounded themselves, without waiting for ambulances to arrive. A student used his cell-phone camera to record the sound of shots echoing through the stone classroom building.

The massacre took place at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a coed dormitory that houses 895 people, and continuing at least two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building about a half-mile away, authorities said.

Two people were killed in a dormitory room, and 31 others were killed in the classroom building, including the gunman, police said.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," Steger said. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."

Steger emphasized that the university closed off the dorm after the first attack and decided to rely on e-mail and other electronic means to notify members of the university, but with 11,000 people driving onto campus first thing in the morning, it was difficult to get the word out. He said that before the e-mail went out, the university began telephoning resident advisers in the dorms to notify them and sent people to knock on doors to spread the word.

Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum would not say how many weapons the gunman carried. But a law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation was incomplete, said that the gunman had two pistols and multiple clips of ammunition.

Flinchum said that some doors in the classroom building had been chained shut from the inside.

Police said they were still investigating the shooting at the dorm when they got word of gunfire at the classroom building.

Some students bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time.

"What happened today, this was ridiculous," student Jason Piatt told CNN. "While they send out that e-mail, 20 more people got killed."

Students and Laura Wedin, a student programs manager at Virginia Tech, said the first notification they got of the shootings came in an e-mail at 9:26 a.m., more than two hours after the first shooting.

The e-mail had few details. It read: "A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating." The message warned students to be cautious and contact police about anything suspicious.

Student Maurice Hiller said he went to a 9 a.m. class two buildings away from the engineering building, and no warnings were coming over the outdoor public address system on campus at the time.

Everett Good, junior, said of the lack of warning: "I'm trying to figure that out. Someone's head is definitely going to roll over that."

"We were kept in the dark a lot about exactly what was going on," said Andrew Capers Thompson, a 22-year-old graduate student from Walhalla, S.C.

At an evening news conference, the university president and police chief said they were still investigating whether the shootings at the dorm and the classroom building were related. But earlier in the day, the chief said he believed there was only one gunman, and he was dead.

Edmund Henneke, associate dean of engineering, said he was in the classroom building and he and colleagues had just read the e-mail advisory regarding the first shooting and were discussing it when he heard gunfire. He said moments later SWAT team members rushed them downstairs "but the doors were chained and padlocked from the inside." They left the building through a construction area that had not been locked.

Henneke said it is unfair to criticize the school over the delay in warning.

"People are absolutely making too much of that. You do what you can," Henneke said. "We have a huge campus. You have to close down a small town and you can't close down every way in or out."

At least 26 people were being treated at three area hospitals for gunshot wounds and other injuries, authorities said. Their exact conditions were not disclosed, but at least one was sent to a trauma center and six were in surgery, authorities said.

Up until Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

The massacre Monday took place almost eight years to the day after the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo. On April 20, 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.

Previously, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police.

Founded in 1872, Virginia Tech is nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains of southwestern Virginia, about 160 miles west of Richmond. With more than 25,000 full-time students, it has the state's largest full-time student population. The school is best known for its engineering school and its powerhouse Hokies football team.

The rampage took place on a brisk spring day, with snow flurries swirling around the campus. The campus is centered around the Drill Field, a grassy field where military cadets — who now represent a fraction of the student body — practice. The dorm and the classroom building are on opposites sides of the Drill Field.

A gasp could be heard at a campus news conference early in the day when the police chief announced that at least 20 people had been killed. Previously, only one person was thought to have been killed.

A White House spokesman said        President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia. "The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," spokeswoman Dana Perino said

After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed, and classes were canceled through Tuesday. The university set up a meeting place for families to reunite with their children. It also made counselors available and planned an assembly for Tuesday at the basketball arena.

After the shooting began, students were told to stay inside away from the windows.

Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.

Police said there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks by authorities but said they have not determined a link to the shootings.

It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.

Last August, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 04:00:57 PM »

So tragic.  :'(
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 04:04:04 PM »

I was just watching the news about this. Unbelievable.  :thumbdown;
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 05:00:13 PM »



Its all over the news here. So sad.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 05:14:24 PM »

God Bless all those innocent people who were just there trying to better themselves and as sad as this may be, God Bless the person who decided to end the lives of all those innocent people, including himself.   :angel;
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 05:42:41 PM »

What a terrible tragedy. imagine what the families of the dead are going through not to mention what the family of the gunman is going through.  Just imagine being there and seeing it all happen. These people will have to live with the memory for the rest of there lives
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2007, 06:07:19 PM »

having lived through columbine, all i can do is cry
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2007, 09:00:14 PM »

its so terrible..  :( :(
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2007, 02:21:08 AM »

The news hit here very early this morning, and I just felt a strange mix of numbness and horror, the likes of which I haven't experienced since the Port Arthur massacre (which, being much closer to home, struck me dumb). Even Columbine didn't strike me this much, perhaps because not as many lives were lost. That does not make it any more or less tragic, however.

Like goofynina, I am sad for the innocent lives lost, including that of the gunman (I know not everyone will share this feeling and I respect that). Also, I feel for the families of the victims and the gunman. And the community as a whole.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2007, 12:58:43 PM »

I feel so terribly sorry for all involved, and pray that they and their families find peace.  I haven't quite got my head around it all yet.

Blacksburg is about 25 min. from where I was raised, and it's so surreal to be listening to NPR in the car and hear about something so close to home, or see a national TV show showing familiar landmarks.   Oddly enough, what has made it seem so very close to me (although I did not know anyone connected with the situation) is hearing the local accents of those interviewed!  We were just discussing accents on another IHD thread, and now I'm hearing that distinctive drawl everytime I turn on the TV.  The effect it is having on me is most peculiar, almost as if I've been drawn back to my youth spent in that neighborhood.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2007, 01:43:08 PM »

so senseless and sad-
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2007, 05:19:14 PM »

We were told to keep it low key on the campus today and if any kids needed to talk they could go to the police officer or counselor ont he campus.  Our school has also implemented a safety plan for us to use if anything goes wrong on the campus.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2007, 08:47:53 PM »

He mailed his manifesto to NBC between shootings. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

So much hate for no good reason.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2007, 11:30:24 PM »

Unfortunately it was a no good reason, but a very real reason just the same.  This guy was incomprehensibly disturbed.  The world had gotton to him and he accepted violence as his outlet.  He didn't come up with the idea but he sure has helped to promote it among others like himself.  I sure hope we as an American society can find a way to help people like Cho before they reach that final point.  He seems to be a byproduct of the more, more, more, American attitude and what it takes to be socially accepted in today's culture.  As much as you wan to blame him and the Columbine shooters I don't think it is all their fault.  Somewhere in their lives someone has let these people down.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2007, 04:02:41 AM »

Money is the root of all evil.  Seems like his "perception" was that rich kids have it all and it wasn't enough. 

I look at rich kids today and think the same thing but I don't want to kill them.  Actually I feel sorry for them because they have no clue what life is about and Mommy and Daddy are too busy to spend time with them so they just buy them away.

Some people are too week to be content in their own life.  They always have to blame others for their situation or misery.  "the rich kids made me do it"  "I'm picked on"  "My Mother and Father..."  blah blah blah

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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2007, 06:31:27 AM »

But I bet a lot of the kids he shot were normal every day kids who have no idea he thought they were rich.  They probably had richer  lives than he did filled with fun and people, while he seemed to be a loner.  He probably misconstrued a lot of thngs in his head and took it out on innocent people!
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2007, 07:05:04 AM »

Kitkatz, you're absolutely right.  Mental illness can twist perceptions, and this guy didn't have a grip on reality anyway.  It's easy to see oneself as right and everybody else as wrong, but that doesn't make it so!
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2007, 01:57:34 PM »

Very Sad so Sad.

But Welcome to the World of the people who play the Blame Game, The Modern Witch Hunt.

Hate Hate Hate.

Me Personally don't care if someone rich or poor I got friends on both sides and guess what we get along believe or not, You know why? Cuz they all wanna make it, If u try to live your own life u can make it, it might be hard but it's possible
But the Lazy people just hate and easier to pull a trigger then to Work your way up. It's easy to say Money is evil. Why is it never the Person who pulled the triggers fault, no its the gun company's fault? or the Police acted to slow? Or the evil Video Games, books, movies.

It's easy to be a Victim.  Who are these people who take no responsibility for themselves and their actions and blame everybody and anything else when they do wrong.

To play the Blame Game or Victim Game u lose and hurt other aswell as yourself in the long run.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2007, 04:47:38 PM »

It's easy to be a Victim.  Who are these people who take no responsibility for themselves and their actions and blame everybody and anything else when they do wrong.

To play the Blame Game or Victim Game u lose and hurt other aswell as yourself in the long run.

Very well put.   :clap; :clap; :clap; 
It's all about personal responsibility.  If he mental problems they should have been addressed and he should have been helped. 

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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2007, 06:42:58 PM »

I don't understand these last two post at all.  Who is playing the blame game?  What witch hunt?  Personal responsibility?  I am not criticizing I would just like to understand what you guys are trying to say.  Care to explain?
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 06:45:14 PM »



     The easy access to the guns he had should also be a concern.    :thumbdown;
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2007, 07:18:57 PM »

I don't understand these last two post at all. Who is playing the blame game? What witch hunt? Personal responsibility? I am not criticizing I would just like to understand what you guys are trying to say. Care to explain?

George, did you follow the link to NBC and read some of what the shooter put in his manifesto?  In his ranting letters, he seems to blame money and rich people for, well, everything that ever went wrong in the world.  That's what we are talking about.
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2007, 07:40:44 PM »

Such a tragedy.

I also agree, there is no reason in this world that could justify something like this happening. We let the shooter down? Someone in his life let him down? Society let him down? I don't think so.

God bless the families of the victims.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2007, 08:26:36 PM »

I don't think this guy is the only one to harbor such feelings.  Could there be some legitimacy to what he felt?  In fact I have shared similar feelings about the world, fortunately for me, I have had a few good people in my life to right me when I have been wrong.  It doesn't sound like Cho had anybody for quite a long time.  There is no justification of what happened, however, possibly if someone had found a way into his life he could have been helped.  He did have run ins with concerned individuals, even thought he was suicidal at some point, so what happened when he was released from them mental hospital?  Did he have any support system?  It sounds like he made cries for help with some of his writings and such and it never came in the form that was necessary.  Love.  I think that is what was missing in his life for so long.  Could you live without love?  Somebody did let him down, the world let him down.  I don't see Cho as playing a blame game and I still don't understand what is meant about a witch hunt, I see a person who felt like he had nothing to live for, which is a pretty powerful feeling that can consume someone without the necessary strength to hold on.  He was the weakest of humans and I feel for him and certainly for the family and friends of the victims.  Unfortunately it is only a matter of time before another Cho reaches the end of the line. 

Gun laws should be equally firm from state to state but keep in mind that this guy had no prior criminal violations and therefor most likely a law would not have prevented such a tragic event.
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