Who ya gonna vote for?

[Zach]

It's all about geography.

 

[jbeany]

That's kind of sad, Zach, that's it's been so long and we've come so short a distance.

A family in my area, inspired by Clint Eastwood's conversation with an empty chair, covered their front yard in "Take back our county" signs - and hung an empty chair from a tree with a thick rope.  They refused to take it down, replaced it when it was cut down, ignored the uproar caused by the parents with children in the elementary school across the street and plenty of their neighbors, and insisted they were making a political statement, not a racist one. 

Yeah, right.

Late on election night, someone nailed all four feet of a plastic lawn chair to their driveway.  It had "FOUR MORE YEARS" painted on it (along with "racist pig" and some other things I'm guessing the local paper can't print).  I'm not one to encourage vandalism, but I do love the symbolism!

[Hemodoc]

That's kind of sad, Zach, that's it's been so long and we've come so short a distance.

A family in my area, inspired by Clint Eastwood's conversation with an empty chair, covered their front yard in "Take back our county" signs - and hung an empty chair from a tree with a thick rope.  They refused to take it down, replaced it when it was cut down, ignored the uproar caused by the parents with children in the elementary school across the street and plenty of their neighbors, and insisted they were making a political statement, not a racist one. 

Yeah, right.

Late on election night, someone nailed all four feet of a plastic lawn chair to their driveway.  It had "FOUR MORE YEARS" painted on it (along with "racist pig" and some other things I'm guessing the local paper can't print).  I'm not one to encourage vandalism, but I do love the symbolism!

The election is over, you won and elections matter according to Obama. Fair enough, you folks now own all of the problems here in America. It has never been about racism, just pure economics folks.  Good luck folks, I will catch up to you in about a year or so to see how hope and change is going forward. The proof is in the pudding, it is now your pudding, your at bat, your ball game. If you are going to continue the false racism accusations over and over again, pray tell when will you put forth a real game plan to avoid economic ruin looming over this nation.

Once again, elections matter and you are in control. What will you do with your new mandate? If all you have to offer is more false allegations of racism, then I seriously doubt America will move forward.  Like I said, good luck folks, we truly have entered a brave new world.

[Rerun]

Oh, no they are not done blaming Bush for all the problems.  4 more years of blaming Bush.

And.... I meant "the other" best man!  Shit!

Same Sex aka SS marriage passed in my state.  I wish WA would split and the west side fall into the ocean!


                 

[MooseMom]

The election is over, you won and elections matter according to Obama. Fair enough, you folks now own all of the problems here in America. It has never been about racism, just pure economics folks.  Good luck folks, I will catch up to you in about a year or so to see how hope and change is going forward. The proof is in the pudding, it is now your pudding, your at bat, your ball game. If you are going to continue the false racism accusations over and over again, pray tell when will you put forth a real game plan to avoid economic ruin looming over this nation.

Once again, elections matter and you are in control. What will you do with your new mandate? If all you have to offer is more false allegations of racism, then I seriously doubt America will move forward.  Like I said, good luck folks, we truly have entered a brave new world.

We will ALL win if our Congress will stop thinking in terms of "us" and "them".  This is about all of us, and I personally do not see anything wrong with a balanced approach to tackle the debt by curbing spending AND increasing revenue.  Isn't this what businesses do all the time?  Don't all businesses look for ways to cut costs and increase revenues in times of financial difficulty?

Mitch McConnell is a traitor for what he said about his highest priority being making Mr. Obama a one term president.  How can we avoid financial ruin if any group in Congress, whether it be Democratic or Republican, refuses to work with any other group and tarts it up as being somehow stalwart and "true to our values"?

I hope we HAVE entered a brave new world, one of doing what is necessary to work together to come up with solutions.  Fortunately, the economy IS improving as shown by current data.  Yes, there are too many people unemployed, and our economy isn't growing as fast as anyone would like, so now is the time to stop all of this Mitch McConnell-type treachery so that our congresspeople can find some solutions.

[Hober Mallow]

The Republican party has *a lot* of soul searching to do now for the next few years. I doubt it's going to happen. I fully expect another obstructionist House and Republicans in the Senate filibustering everything just because. It's a shame, because until the party exorcises its demons, we'll never have a real conservative party anyone can take seriously. We need liberals who will push this country forward and we need real conservatives to counter-balance that and force any progress to first prove its merit.

There is a legitimate, serious discussion to be had about whether we want a more progressive or a more regressive tax system. That's a perfectly reasonable discussion to have. Unfortunately, we can't even get to that point because one side believes the president wasn't born in America, he's socialist/communist/fascist, climate change isn't real, evolution isn't real, the Bible is literal history, etc, etc, etc.

The real conservatives have a golden opportunity now to ditch the fringe elements and take back their party. I wish them well, but I won't hold my breath.

[jbeany]

The real conservatives have a golden opportunity now to ditch the fringe elements and take back their party. I wish them well, but I won't hold my breath.

I think if the REAL Mitch Romney had been able to run in the election, he'd have won.  You know, the Romney who was governor, who passed a health care act that insisted everyone get insurance coverage, who passed a whole lot of sensible, moderate policies.  But in order to get into the election, he had to win the primary, and to do that, he had to lean so far to the right, he couldn't get back close enough to the middle to get elected.

[Wat76]

MooseMom, what do you do for a living?, You should run for President of the United States, I would surely vote for you. The world could use your input in a variety of ways. Smile.

[Rerun]

MooseMom, what do you do for a living?, You should run for President of the United States, I would surely vote for you. The world could use your input in a variety of ways. Smile.

Yah?  Well I'd cancel your vote.       

[MooseMom]

@Jbeany, I think you are right that the republican primaries did Governor Romney no favors.  I'm sure there are moderate Republicans out there who will be viable candidates in 2016.  Sometimes a fever just has to run its course.

@Wat76, I'm not sure anyone with CKD would be elected as President!  Can you imagine all of the wiseass comments on twitter about a candidate's failed kidneys?  I shudder to think!

@Rerun, LOL!  That's democracy!

[Lillupie]

@Wat76, I'm not sure anyone with CKD would be elected as President!  Can you imagine all of the wiseass comments on twitter about a candidate's failed kidneys?  I shudder to think!

  So true. lol

[Hober Mallow]

"Weak on kidneys, weak on America."

[MooseMom]

"CKD? Not For Me!"

"Failed Kidneys, Failed Policies"

[jbeany]

This one cracked me up. 

[Hemodoc]

The election is over, you won and elections matter according to Obama. Fair enough, you folks now own all of the problems here in America. It has never been about racism, just pure economics folks.  Good luck folks, I will catch up to you in about a year or so to see how hope and change is going forward. The proof is in the pudding, it is now your pudding, your at bat, your ball game. If you are going to continue the false racism accusations over and over again, pray tell when will you put forth a real game plan to avoid economic ruin looming over this nation.

Once again, elections matter and you are in control. What will you do with your new mandate? If all you have to offer is more false allegations of racism, then I seriously doubt America will move forward.  Like I said, good luck folks, we truly have entered a brave new world.

We will ALL win if our Congress will stop thinking in terms of "us" and "them".  This is about all of us, and I personally do not see anything wrong with a balanced approach to tackle the debt by curbing spending AND increasing revenue.  Isn't this what businesses do all the time?  Don't all businesses look for ways to cut costs and increase revenues in times of financial difficulty?

Mitch McConnell is a traitor for what he said about his highest priority being making Mr. Obama a one term president.  How can we avoid financial ruin if any group in Congress, whether it be Democratic or Republican, refuses to work with any other group and tarts it up as being somehow stalwart and "true to our values"?

I hope we HAVE entered a brave new world, one of doing what is necessary to work together to come up with solutions.  Fortunately, the economy IS improving as shown by current data.  Yes, there are too many people unemployed, and our economy isn't growing as fast as anyone would like, so now is the time to stop all of this Mitch McConnell-type treachery so that our congresspeople can find some solutions.

The election is over, you won and elections matter according to Obama. Fair enough, you folks now own all of the problems here in America. It has never been about racism, just pure economics folks.  Good luck folks, I will catch up to you in about a year or so to see how hope and change is going forward. The proof is in the pudding, it is now your pudding, your at bat, your ball game. If you are going to continue the false racism accusations over and over again, pray tell when will you put forth a real game plan to avoid economic ruin looming over this nation.

Once again, elections matter and you are in control. What will you do with your new mandate? If all you have to offer is more false allegations of racism, then I seriously doubt America will move forward.  Like I said, good luck folks, we truly have entered a brave new world.

We will ALL win if our Congress will stop thinking in terms of "us" and "them".  This is about all of us, and I personally do not see anything wrong with a balanced approach to tackle the debt by curbing spending AND increasing revenue.  Isn't this what businesses do all the time?  Don't all businesses look for ways to cut costs and increase revenues in times of financial difficulty?

Mitch McConnell is a traitor for what he said about his highest priority being making Mr. Obama a one term president.  How can we avoid financial ruin if any group in Congress, whether it be Democratic or Republican, refuses to work with any other group and tarts it up as being somehow stalwart and "true to our values"?

I hope we HAVE entered a brave new world, one of doing what is necessary to work together to come up with solutions.  Fortunately, the economy IS improving as shown by current data.  Yes, there are too many people unemployed, and our economy isn't growing as fast as anyone would like, so now is the time to stop all of this Mitch McConnell-type treachery so that our congresspeople can find some solutions.

Dear Moosemom,

Mitch is NOT a traitor by declaring his opposition to a left wing ideologue named Obama. That is exercising his rights of free speech and engaging in political discourse. If you disagree with Mitch, vote him out of office, but please spare us a false accusation of being a traitor. It is called the opposition party for a reason. In fact, the founding fathers put into place competing realms of power.

Elections matter as Obama has once again reminded us. Great, go to and put your best shots forward and heal this economy with liberal philosophy. Why are you focussed on the GOP, you folks are in control in the Senate, Mitch has very little power what so ever, you gained two more senate seats.

The ball is in your court. The GOP is once again rejected, so please, go and solve the problems that you have asked to solve. It is one thing to be a sore looser, but shucks, it is getting old hearing once again a sore winner whining about the fact that they are not a complete dictatorship. Moosemom, with all due respect, your comments are way out of line.

[Wat76]

mooseMom, I agree with your assessment. You are on point. Way to go. Well written.

Hemodoc,,  "You Folks" sound out of line. 

[MaryJoe]

Okay, debate is not my thing (political or otherwise) which is why you don't see me in threads of this nature. My thought process just isn't as sharp and quick as the others that engage in the conversation.  that said, my brain must be extra fuzzy this morning, because when I read "you people" I thought Hemodoc was referring to democrats/liberals/whoever voted for President Obama.  Did I miss something?  (Not trying to start another round, just honestly puzzled.)   

[Rerun]

I think "you people" means conservatives who are pro life, pro marriage between one man and one woman, pro not legalizing pot.... etc... you know  the "bad people."

   

[MooseMom]

Hemodoc, there is a time and a place for everything.  Mitch McConnell is free to say whatever he likes, and I for one am happy that he made his desire to make our president a one-termer because we can now all see where his priorities are, which is NOT to bring this country together.  People are free to express their opposition to the President's policies, but calling him a "left wing ideologue" is simply not factually true, much to the chagrin of those who reallly ARE left wing ideologues!  Just because Mr. McConnell had a goal of unseating the President after four years, he showed extremely poor judgment in making those sentiments public.  Those words should have been said behind closed doors.

I am quite hopeful, however, that Speaker Boehner will be willing to accept the olive branch that the president has extended.  The Speaker has been in a very difficult position over the past two years, and I am hoping one consequence of this election will be that he is reminded that Americans want to see a stop to the bickering.  I think Speaker Boehner and the President can do business.  I don't, however, have the same hope for Mitch McConnell.  I think that as a person, he is intransigent and closeminded and a poor representative of the traditional GOP.  You can tart up his treachery as "free speech" if you like, but his speaking freely has not endeared him to anyone of any consequence.  Fortunately, he is in the Democratic controlled Senate, so hopefully he can just go on being hot air and not much else.

Rerun, Hemodoc is the only one around here using "you people" or "you folks".  No one but you has characterized anyone here as "bad".  I don't think anyone here is "anti-life" or "anti-marriage", and I certainly don't get the impression that anyone thinks the more religious and/or conservative members on this board are bad people.  As for legalizing pot, I have no opinion on that because frankly, I don't see the appeal, but then again, a half glass of wine is pretty much my limit.  Alcohol is much more damaging than marijuana.  I think it might be an idea for the feds to legalize pot, regulate it and then tax the hell out of like they do with booze and cigarettes.  Talk about a great revenue stream!  In the UK, they call it the "sin tax".

Hemodoc, I am disappointed that you keep referring to half of voting Americans as "you folks".  Your comments perfectly illustrate the unwavering divisiveness that too many Americans display.  If you want to take your disappointment and go hide yourself away, you are free to do so, but I would hope that your love of country would prevent you from doing that and would, instead, keep you engaged.  To just take your ball and go home seems rather immature.

[Hemodoc]

Hemodoc, there is a time and a place for everything.  Mitch McConnell is free to say whatever he likes, and I for one am happy that he made his desire to make our president a one-termer because we can now all see where his priorities are, which is NOT to bring this country together.  People are free to express their opposition to the President's policies, but calling him a "left wing ideologue" is simply not factually true, much to the chagrin of those who reallly ARE left wing ideologues!  Just because Mr. McConnell had a goal of unseating the President after four years, he showed extremely poor judgment in making those sentiments public.  Those words should have been said behind closed doors.

I am quite hopeful, however, that Speaker Boehner will be willing to accept the olive branch that the president has extended.  The Speaker has been in a very difficult position over the past two years, and I am hoping one consequence of this election will be that he is reminded that Americans want to see a stop to the bickering.  I think Speaker Boehner and the President can do business.  I don't, however, have the same hope for Mitch McConnell.  I think that as a person, he is intransigent and closeminded and a poor representative of the traditional GOP.  You can tart up his treachery as "free speech" if you like, but his speaking freely has not endeared him to anyone of any consequence.  Fortunately, he is in the Democratic controlled Senate, so hopefully he can just go on being hot air and not much else.

Rerun, Hemodoc is the only one around here using "you people" or "you folks".  No one but you has characterized anyone here as "bad".  I don't think anyone here is "anti-life" or "anti-marriage", and I certainly don't get the impression that anyone thinks the more religious and/or conservative members on this board are bad people.  As for legalizing pot, I have no opinion on that because frankly, I don't see the appeal, but then again, a half glass of wine is pretty much my limit.  Alcohol is much more damaging than marijuana.  I think it might be an idea for the feds to legalize pot, regulate it and then tax the hell out of like they do with booze and cigarettes.  Talk about a great revenue stream!  In the UK, they call it the "sin tax".

Hemodoc, I am disappointed that you keep referring to half of voting Americans as "you folks".  Your comments perfectly illustrate the unwavering divisiveness that too many Americans display.  If you want to take your disappointment and go hide yourself away, you are free to do so, but I would hope that your love of country would prevent you from doing that and would, instead, keep you engaged.  To just take your ball and go home seems rather immature.

Dear Moosemom,

You folks that supported and voted for Obama are now just as responsible for his policies as he is. There is a great ideological divide in this nation that will not go away. I have not taken my ball and gone and away, you folks have taken the ball and brought it home completely rejecting sound economic principles in the process. The 51% of you folks who put Obama back in office now own the outcomes of Obamacare and his fiscal policies he will enact over the next four years.

The Supreme court has spoken, the electorate has spoken. I don't have a ball any longer in this game Moosemom. You own it so stop being sore winners. Go enact your wonderful plans and do all the things you say you will do.

As far as the so called olive branch Obama allegedly offered to the GOP house, he said nothing new at all. He stated the same things for over two years. No deal without tax increases. The GOP obviously will have no choice but to compromise since being blamed for the financial cliff would be a fatal event for the GOP.  However, just because Obama was re-elected, your assumption that the GOP should bow down and accept whatever he wants rubber stamping his agenda is foolish to say the least. You folks don't want to accept our agenda, in what manner do you believe that the GOP should simply throw the towel in and accept irresponsible and reckless fiscal programs.

Sadly, there is no good solution for this. Obama does not have a mandate, he won by a narrow margin in the popular vote. Once again, the fact that America has rejected sound fiscal policies does not anger me, it saddens me to understand what is coming down the road such as more and more regulations like the one that cost me $270.00 last night to put on my snow tires. Welcome to the new world folks, you have asked for it, now it is upon us. Good luck to all, we will need it.

[Rerun]

I thought Wat76 said "you fokes"  Maybe I misunderstood the context. 

     

The news says Republicans didn't get out and vote.  I think lots of people could not vote for a Morman and I was right there but not voting is a vote for Obama.  And we lost.

Peter as usual you are right on.  Lots of people are saying the same thing.  Not on this forum.... but other people.

[Bill Peckham]

Peter can you listen to the description of Romney's reaction to losing - there were fireworks planned for Boston Harbor Tuesday night - that he was shocked that he lost, that he had no idea that his loss was going to happen, and conclude that he would have been a good president? Isn't his inability to see what is front of him, his decision to surround himself with people who could not or would not give information to him straight, a clear signal that he was not up for the job of President of the United States? The proof of the pudding is in the eating; Romney made some terrible pudding judging by the looks on the face of Republican puddin' eaters.

I, for one welcome, the President's policies. People with CKD, most particularly people who use dialysis, will benefit from Obamacare. Our society will benefit. The disconnect between the Republican Party and the American people isn't due to a poorly turned phrase or a campaign ad. The problem is that the American middle class knows that our current health insurance system is a disgrace. It is a problem that had to be fixed, and at long last the country has a solution. Of course we want the President's policies to go forward, the President won because his policies will benefit the country. The Republicans lost because their Party is toxic. Fewer people voted Republican because millions of former Republican voters don't want to be associated with today's Republican party. The Republicans in the House are today's Republican party and the American people rejected their cynical zero sum posturing.

After Obama's successful second term I am looking forward to eight years under President Clinton.

[YLGuy]

Hemodoc...please stop complaining about your tires.  If you have not learned how to change a tire by this age well then you have to pay someone to do it.  You said it was a simple rotation which means that the tires were already mounted and just needed to be switched out. The tire shop saw you coming from a mile away.

[Hemodoc]

Hemodoc...please stop complaining about your tires.  If you have not learned how to change a tire by this age well then you have to pay someone to do it.  You said it was a simple rotation which means that the tires were already mounted and just needed to be switched out. The tire shop saw you coming from a mile away.

Hey YL, I know exactly how to do these things and did them for years. If it were not for the fact I didn't have the time to do it yesterday and get my dialysis done, then yes, I would have done it myself. Thankfully, I can afford whatever Obama throws my way but many will not be able to. Say what you wish. Have a nice day YL, always good to hear from you.

[Hemodoc]

Peter can you listen to the description of Romney's reaction to losing - there were fireworks planned for Boston Harbor Tuesday night - that he was shocked that he lost, that he had no idea that his loss was going to happen, and conclude that he would have been a good president? Isn't his inability to see what is front of him, his decision to surround himself with people who could not or would not give information to him straight, a clear signal that he was not up for the job of President of the United States? The proof of the pudding is in the eating; Romney made some terrible pudding judging by the looks on the face of Republican puddin' eaters.

I, for one welcome, the President's policies. People with CKD, most particularly people who use dialysis, will benefit from Obamacare. Our society will benefit. The disconnect between the Republican Party and the American people isn't due to a poorly turned phrase or a campaign ad. The problem is that the American middle class knows that our current health insurance system is a disgrace. It is a problem that had to be fixed, and at long last the country has a solution. Of course we want the President's policies to go forward, the President won because his policies will benefit the country. The Republicans lost because their Party is toxic. Fewer people voted Republican because millions of former Republican voters don't want to be associated with today's Republican party. The Republicans in the House are today's Republican party and the American people rejected their cynical zero sum posturing.

After Obama's successful second term I am looking forward to eight years under President Clinton.

Good luck Bill, I hope we don't run into each in the food stamp or unemployment line.