GOP Presidential Debate

[Hemodoc]

So, go tell all of your lady friends with a uterus to seek title 10 coverage if they can't afford 9 dollars a month to pay for it themselves.

You mean my female friends? This is really creeping me out the way you seem fixated on mentioning women's reproductive organs in every response to me, even though I have made it clear that I find this disrespectful. You have been told repeatedly that your smarmy comments are not appreciated in the least yet you seem to revel in the thought of personally offending me and at least one other woman on this site. You do not know a single thing about me and have no place professing to be some sort of expert on the veracity of my feelings. There is something so unsettling in the image of a grown man googling 'uterus' in a desperate attempt to win an online argument in the most obnoxious manner possible. It reminds me of the callers who would ring up my parents' home because they knew young girls lived there, say a few dirty words, then hang up.

You seem to have all the respect for women such as myself as you have for IHD:

Fair enough Karol, that wasn't my impression by our prior PM's as well as those of other moderators and admin, but out of respect for you and IHD, I will never participate on any political threads ever again. Let them blast away at all of the Christians as much as they wish, I won't defend that position ever again on IHD. I apologize for my mistaken impression of your prior PMs.

Oh well, I guess it's pretty good company to be in!

Karol likes to stay neutral so she doesn't often comment on threads like this. Her reply was a misunderstanding that we have cleared up once she understood why I had made the comments. Private matter between me and Karol and yes, I do have great respect for her and for IHD. Simple misunderstanding cleared up if you would like to know and keep harping on this issue thank you. Anything beyond that is none of your business.

[Hemodoc]

So, go tell all of your lady friends with a uterus to seek title 10 coverage if they can't afford 9 dollars a month to pay for it themselves.

You mean my female friends? This is really creeping me out the way you seem fixated on mentioning women's reproductive organs in every response to me, even though I have made it clear that I find this disrespectful.

Dear Cariad, you fail to respond to all of the issues that I find disrespectful, but that is the game you choose to play. So be it.

P.S. Since when is uterus a dirty word anyway?

[KarenInWA]

The friend's name was not mentioned if she asked to not have her name used. Health problems are a very private matter to people, and not all want to broadcast all that they are going through. That is every person's right. Doesn't meant that her story isn't worthy of being told, but it does not need a name to it to be valid.

Also, as you know, ovarian cysts are not the only medical reason a woman needs to use birth control pills. Maybe this pill was the best thing for this patient, we don't know for sure, because we are not privy to her medical records. And we shouldn't be!!! This is not something to be decided by anyone other than the patient herself, and her doctor. (Hello, HIPPA!!!!)

I stand by my stance on bishops - until they bleed uncontrollably every month in a very personal/private area of their bodies, they have nothing to say on this subject. My only reason for ever taking the pill was to control frequent, heavy periods, which certainly didn't help my anemia when that kicked in. Birth control pills are the only thing that can help with that, or other hormonal types of contraception. That's my reality, but apparently, if I were to "put it out there" so to speak, I'd be ostracized as a slut for taking care of my health and quality of life. No, this is not the America I want live in. We live in a country where people get lost in the despair of medical bills if they are unlucky enough to get sick. That is not the America I want to live in, either. I want to live in an America where I can get treatment (for any medical condition) when I need it.  I want this for every American. I do admit to being a bit apprehensive about those who do damage to their bodies due to risky activities.  I don't know how to address that. In fact, that's a big thing I don't understand in this whole argument.  I hear complaining about "paying for people to have recreational sex" but I hear nothing about lung cancer and other horrible diseases due to smoking, cirhossis of the liver due to drinking, etc etc. Those are recreational activities that are not necessary to live, and cause disease and most likely death to boot!  Why do all of us who pay insurance premiums have to pay for those high expensive costs, but some scoff at the idea of premiums paying for birth control to prevent pregnancy?  And, for that matter, isn't paying for maternity and birth also "paying for people to have sex" And doesn't that cost a LOT more than paying for birth control?? (this argument has nothing to do with medically necessary birth control. I'm just referring to the argument about using birth control to prevent birth, of which most of the conservatives seem to be all in cahoots.)  And, since when are married women, or women in committed relationships, sluts??? I don't for one minute support those who do one-night hook-ups and have multiple partners in a short period of time. I'm just talking about those who are lucky enough to be in healthy, loving relationships.  Why do the conservatives have such a problem with them having sex, and having their insurance cover dr-prescribed contraception to help prevent pregnancy, which is an expensive medical condition??  This is what I don't get in the whole grand argument that is currently going on about this.

The other thing that I don't get, and this is on a completely different topic, is how Obama is responsible for the high gas prices of today, but Bush wasn't 4 years ago when the same thing was happening?  I remember 4 years ago, and learning about the speculators, and all the profits the gas companies made after that year, when their annual earnings reports came out.  How is one President responsible for this, but the other isn't??? And, really, what sitting President who is up for re-election would deliberately raise gas prices? Even one who wasn't up for re-election, like Bush was, wouldn't do that!!! Besides, how can one man sign his name or make that call and magically raise prices on a needed commodity like that??? I really want to know, because I just don't understand how an argument like that can flip-flop based on who or what party is sitting in the White House.

KarenInWA

[Hemodoc]

The friend's name was not mentioned if she asked to not have her name used. Health problems are a very private matter to people, and not all want to broadcast all that they are going through. That is every person's right. Doesn't meant that her story isn't worthy of being told, but it does not need a name to it to be valid.

Also, as you know, ovarian cysts are not the only medical reason a woman needs to use birth control pills. Maybe this pill was the best thing for this patient, we don't know for sure, because we are not privy to her medical records. And we shouldn't be!!! This is not something to be decided by anyone other than the patient herself, and her doctor. (Hello, HIPPA!!!!)

I stand by my stance on bishops - until they bleed uncontrollably every month in a very personal/private area of their bodies, they have nothing to say on this subject. My only reason for ever taking the pill was to control frequent, heavy periods, which certainly didn't help my anemia when that kicked in. Birth control pills are the only thing that can help with that, or other hormonal types of contraception. That's my reality, but apparently, if I were to "put it out there" so to speak, I'd be ostracized as a slut for taking care of my health and quality of life. No, this is not the America I want live in. We live in a country where people get lost in the despair of medical bills if they are unlucky enough to get sick. That is not the America I want to live in, either. I want to live in an America where I can get treatment (for any medical condition) when I need it.  I want this for every American. I do admit to being a bit apprehensive about those who do damage to their bodies due to risky activities.  I don't know how to address that. In fact, that's a big thing I don't understand in this whole argument.  I hear complaining about "paying for people to have recreational sex" but I hear nothing about lung cancer and other horrible diseases due to smoking, cirhossis of the liver due to drinking, etc etc. Those are recreational activities that are not necessary to live, and cause disease and most likely death to boot!  Why do all of us who pay insurance premiums have to pay for those high expensive costs, but some scoff at the idea of premiums paying for birth control to prevent pregnancy?  And, for that matter, isn't paying for maternity and birth also "paying for people to have sex" And doesn't that cost a LOT more than paying for birth control?? (this argument has nothing to do with medically necessary birth control. I'm just referring to the argument about using birth control to prevent birth, of which most of the conservatives seem to be all in cahoots.)  And, since when are married women, or women in committed relationships, sluts??? I don't for one minute support those who do one-night hook-ups and have multiple partners in a short period of time. I'm just talking about those who are lucky enough to be in healthy, loving relationships.  Why do the conservatives have such a problem with them having sex, and having their insurance cover dr-prescribed contraception to help prevent pregnancy, which is an expensive medical condition??  This is what I don't get in the whole grand argument that is currently going on about this.

The other thing that I don't get, and this is on a completely different topic, is how Obama is responsible for the high gas prices of today, but Bush wasn't 4 years ago when the same thing was happening?  I remember 4 years ago, and learning about the speculators, and all the profits the gas companies made after that year, when their annual earnings reports came out.  How is one President responsible for this, but the other isn't??? And, really, what sitting President who is up for re-election would deliberately raise gas prices? Even one who wasn't up for re-election, like Bush was, wouldn't do that!!! Besides, how can one man sign his name or make that call and magically raise prices on a needed commodity like that??? I really want to know, because I just don't understand how an argument like that can flip-flop based on who or what party is sitting in the White House.

KarenInWA

Sandra Flukes' "testimony" is completely bogus hearsay. This is a bogus political ploy with no legal standing. Obama will soon drop the entire thing, but he has already improved his ratings with woman based on lies and duplicity.

[Hemodoc]

Obama has publicly stated for several years that he wants energy costs to "skyrocket."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M1WlV7vafk&feature=related

Part of their energy policy is to increase gas prices as noted by his secretary of energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH0CzERzEZg

[Hemodoc]

The Sandra Fluke plot thickens. Looks like she not only has a potential White House connection through Anita Dunn, but she is also dating a prominent Democrats son.

O’Reilly found on Friday that Fluke is also dating the son of “Democratic stalwart” William Mutterperl, who has made numerous donations to the Democratic Party and liberal candidates in recent years.

“For six days, we have been telling you that the 30-year-old Georgetown law student has become a major player in the presidential election,” O’Reilly said during his “Talking Points Memo” segment. “Last night, we reported that she is now being handled pro bono, for free, by the PR firm SKDKnickerbocker, which is good, because Sandra doesn’t have enough money to buy birth control pills, as we know.  But there is more to Sandra’s story than just contraception. Right now, she’s on spring break in California with her boyfriend, who is the son of Democratic stalwart William Mutterperl. He has made at least 56 donations to Democratic candidates or organizations. Nothing wrong with that — I’m just pointing it out.”

O’Reilly then questioned whether Fluke was receiving some sort of backing in exchange for her advocacy.  Despite claiming that it is financially taxing for her to afford contraception, Fluke is somehow able to travel across the country and make numerous media appearances.

O’Reilly also noted the timing of Fluke’s rise. The law student came on the scene right when the Obama administration was being criticized for a controversial contraceptive mandate requiring some religious institutions to supply contraception against their will.

“Of course, that’s when Sandra Fluke suddenly appeared — popping up at congressional hearings, showing up in the media,” he said. “Polls show President Obama’s poll numbers among women now on the rise, and he has Ms. Fluke to thank [for] that.  If you don’t pay close attention to this story, it looks like President Obama is simply helping out a young woman under siege, but again, that’s not what’s going on here.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/10/o%e2%80%99reilly-sandra-flukes-boyfriend-son-of-democratic-stalwart-william-mutterperl/#ixzz1omFq8Cim

[cariad]

So, go tell all of your lady friends with a uterus to seek title 10 coverage if they can't afford 9 dollars a month to pay for it themselves.

You mean my female friends? This is really creeping me out the way you seem fixated on mentioning women's reproductive organs in every response to me, even though I have made it clear that I find this disrespectful.

Dear Cariad, you fail to respond to all of the issues that I find disrespectful, but that is the game you choose to play. So be it.

P.S. Since when is uterus a dirty word anyway?

Where did I say it was a dirty word?

You remind me of those callers, who did on occasion use dirty words, also words like 'erection' and 'masturbate' which are not dirty but not something appropriate to say to a ten-year-old, and not something I want to hear in mixed company as an adult.

I find it deeply inappropriate that you want to use terms like 'uterus vote' when I have said I found that offensive, and my husband wants to know just what the deal is with you getting such a thrill from repeating the word uterus to a woman you've never met, and who has further made it abundantly clear to you that this makes me uncomfortable.

[Hemodoc]

So, go tell all of your lady friends with a uterus to seek title 10 coverage if they can't afford 9 dollars a month to pay for it themselves.

You mean my female friends? This is really creeping me out the way you seem fixated on mentioning women's reproductive organs in every response to me, even though I have made it clear that I find this disrespectful.

Dear Cariad, you fail to respond to all of the issues that I find disrespectful, but that is the game you choose to play. So be it.

P.S. Since when is uterus a dirty word anyway?

Where did I say it was a dirty word?

You remind me of those callers, who did on occasion use dirty words, also words like 'erection' and 'masturbate' which are not dirty but not something appropriate to say to a ten-year-old, and not something I want to hear in mixed company as an adult.

I find it deeply inappropriate that you want to use terms like 'uterus vote' when I have said I found that offensive, and my husband wants to know just what the deal is with you getting such a thrill from repeating the word uterus to a woman you've never met, and who has further made it abundantly clear to you that this makes me uncomfortable.

Who said I got a thrill out of an accepted medical term especially when this is the language of liberal commentators who originated this whole discourse. You are pushing the absurd now Cariad. Oh well, I guess that is all you wish to debate on a political thread. You take absolutely no shame to calling a respected ex-senator an A-Hole and then say that wasn't enough, you should go further into the slime pit to describe someone you don't agree with politically.

If you are offended, so be it. Your posts offend me and you make no apology. So be it. That is the game you wish to play.

Since when is a-hole a 'liberal' term? Santorum is most definitely an a-hole, Billy was right. That is not replacing a body part for the word 'men'. It is saying that that particular person is an outright ghastly specimen. Dan Savage's definition is beyond gross. Again, he is insulting one person for doing what Santorum does - tries to strip away everyone's freedoms but his own. As much as I find Savage's definition nauseating, when he's right, he's right.

[Hemodoc]

Interesting how Sandra Fluke, a woman's advocate didn't know how to advise her alleged friend how to secure OCP's through planned parenthood for as little as 15 dollars a month. Here is Planned Parenthood's website and information on OCP's.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/birth-control-pill-4228.htm

This will create a backlash against Obama for this fraud perpetrated against America. Lies, and duplicity at the highest levels of our government.

[YLGuy]

This will create a backlash against Obama for this fraud perpetrated against America. Lies, and duplicity at the highest levels of our government.

        Let me try to reply with a straight face... Nope! I just can't do it.

[cariad]

Who said I got a thrill out of an accepted medical term especially when this is the language of liberal commentators who originated this whole discourse. You are pushing the absurd now Cariad. Oh well, I guess that is all you wish to debate on a political thread. You take absolutely no shame to calling a respected ex-senator an A-Hole and then say that wasn't enough, you should go further into the slime pit to describe someone you don't agree with politically.

If you are offended, so be it. Your posts offend me and you make no apology. So be it. That is the game you wish to play.

There are any number of accepted medical terms that I do not wish to hear about from you, Peter. Your actions say that you get a thrill out of this bizarre behaviour. You keep doing it after all.

Respected is in the eye of the beholder. Santorum has no respect for my civil rights and I have no respect for him as a politician. There is a difference between calling a famous person a name (or rather, agreeing with someone who says that is what he sounds like) and you going out of your way to harass me with your sexist remarks and your personal comments about my female friends or encouraging me to go out and 'abort away' (Ew. I should not have to hear this from anyone.) I make no apology for my statements nor do I want an apology from you. I want to not feel that someone is so fixated upon me, my opinions, and my reproductive organs that he has to follow me around saying uterus at every opportunity.

[Hemodoc]

Looks like the union base is angry over Obama and the pipeline. Will he be able to keep the rank and file in light to his complete opposition to these projects and rising gas prices, let alone the Obama food price inflation. Has anyone seen what cheese and other staples cost today?

WASHINGTON –  Unions may be united in working to re-elect President Obama, but their leaders also are trying to repair bitter divisions over his rejection of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas.

Trade unions representing workers who stand to benefit from thousands of new construction jobs from the Keystone XL pipeline are furious at other unions that joined environmentalists in opposing the project.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/10/union-leaders-seek-to-repair-internal-divisions-over-keystone-pipeline/#ixzz1oms1anjb

[MooseMom]

O’Reilly found on Friday that Fluke is also dating the son of “Democratic stalwart” William Mutterperl, who has made numerous donations to the Democratic Party and liberal candidates in recent years.

“For six days, we have been telling you that the 30-year-old Georgetown law student has become a major player in the presidential election,” O’Reilly said during his “Talking Points Memo” segment. “Last night, we reported that she is now being handled pro bono, for free, by the PR firm SKDKnickerbocker, which is good, because Sandra doesn’t have enough money to buy birth control pills, as we know.  But there is more to Sandra’s story than just contraception. Right now, she’s on spring break in California with her boyfriend, who is the son of Democratic stalwart William Mutterperl. He has made at least 56 donations to Democratic candidates or organizations. Nothing wrong with that — I’m just pointing it out.”

O’Reilly then questioned whether Fluke was receiving some sort of backing in exchange for her advocacy.  Despite claiming that it is financially taxing for her to afford contraception, Fluke is somehow able to travel across the country and make numerous media appearances.

O’Reilly also noted the timing of Fluke’s rise. The law student came on the scene right when the Obama administration was being criticized for a controversial contraceptive mandate requiring some religious institutions to supply contraception against their will.

“Of course, that’s when Sandra Fluke suddenly appeared — popping up at congressional hearings, showing up in the media,” he said. “Polls show President Obama’s poll numbers among women now on the rise, and he has Ms. Fluke to thank [for] that.  If you don’t pay close attention to this story, it looks like President Obama is simply helping out a young woman under siege, but again, that’s not what’s going on here.”

Again, Ms. Fluke was not complaining that contraception was too expensive for HER, rather, it was too expensive for her friend with the ovarian cysts.

I'd bet that all sorts of students from Georgetown are dating stalwarts of both parties.  That's just the kind of institution Georgetown is, being so close to DC and all.

I'm sorry, but I just cannot agree with Bill O'Reilly that Ms. Fluke is a "major player" in the Presidential election.  Mr. O'Reilly is a genius at taking some innocuous matter and blowing it up into a major event.  If Ms. Fluke truly is a "major player", it's because the triumvirate of Issa/Boehner/Limbaugh.  Compare the time those three have talked about this issue with the time that President Obama has talked about it, and you have to wonder who is manipulating who.  If this really is a trap cleverly laid out by the President, then he is too smart by half, and well played, sir!  Maybe he can set an equally clever trap for the likes of Assad and the President of Iran's whose name I can't spell at the moment.

[Gerald Lively]

Hemodoc;

Your world is unrealistic and I think you know it. What you seem to advocate appears to be an argument for argument’s sake.  Your ideas will never happen because:

1.    The standards of a special interest group cannot be placed on others for the sake of principle.
2.    Religion and government do not mix and it won’t happen in America.
3.    Despite GOP efforts to manage any type of women’s healthcare, it won’t happen.
4.    Abortion is legal in this nation even though radicals who oppose abortions, have murdered people who work in planned parenthood clinics.
5.    History has shown that every President since World War II has tried to implement a universal healthcare program, and the GOP always barks “socialism”.  First of all it isn’t socialism and second – George W. Bush instituted the prescription program and supported an expansion of Medicare.
6.    I am a citizen and there are many like me – who do not identify with any religion.  I was born and raised Catholic, and educated in a Catholic school.  I am not illegal, I have the same rights that you have.
7.    You have only one vote.
8.    Come November, you are going to lose, bigtime.

Don’t you think it is time to end this discussion?  You have made your point and have resorted to ridicule which and no one is going to convince anyone else of anything.

You might try loving all females as I do.  I want to marry every lady on this forum.  They are something to behold.

Gerald Lively

[MooseMom]

Looks like the union base is angry over Obama and the pipeline. Will he be able to keep the rank and file in light to his complete opposition to these projects and rising gas prices, let alone the Obama food price inflation. Has anyone seen what cheese and other staples cost today?

WASHINGTON –  Unions may be united in working to re-elect President Obama, but their leaders also are trying to repair bitter divisions over his rejection of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas.

Trade unions representing workers who stand to benefit from thousands of new construction jobs from the Keystone XL pipeline are furious at other unions that joined environmentalists in opposing the project.

Well you know, this is why it is hard to be the President.  You cannot please everyone at all times.  What an impossible choice to have to make...jobs vs the environment.  There is great debate over how many or how FEW jobs this pipeline will actually create.  And at what environmental cost?  If construction were to begin tomorrow, it would be YEARS before any oil was flowing, so this pipeline is not going to lower the cost of gas tomorrow or even next year. 

It is possible, even probable, that the pipeline will eventually be built.  But remember that there are people in those states through which the pipeline will go that don't want it...it's the NIMBY principle.  Building a pipeline bisecting the country is not an easy thing to do.  A lot of private land will have to be bought, so what about those people who might not want to sell?  I bet those people are going to be really, REALLY angry that their land will be taken from them.  I virtually promise you that Homeland security or someone like that will enforce a security zone around the pipeline the whole way down to Port Arthur.

So, does job creation, even just relatively few jobs, trump everything all of the time?  These are the kinds of decisions that Presidents have to make, and as this president has a lot more information than you or I do, perhaps we should live with his decision. 

Unions rarely agree with each other.  That there is disagreement over the pipeline is not surprise at all!

[Hemodoc]

Hemodoc;

Your world is unrealistic and I think you know it. What you seem to advocate appears to be an argument for argument’s sake.  Your ideas will never happen because:

1.    The standards of a special interest group cannot be placed on others for the sake of principle.
2.    Religion and government do not mix and it won’t happen in America.
3.    Despite GOP efforts to manage any type of women’s healthcare, it won’t happen.
4.    Abortion is legal in this nation even though radicals who oppose abortions, have murdered people who work in planned parenthood clinics.
5.    History has shown that every President since World War II has tried to implement a universal healthcare program, and the GOP always barks “socialism”.  First of all it isn’t socialism and second – George W. Bush instituted the prescription program and supported an expansion of Medicare.
6.    I am a citizen and there are many like me – who do not identify with any religion.  I was born and raised Catholic, and educated in a Catholic school.  I am not illegal, I have the same rights that you have.
7.    You have only one vote.
8.    Come November, you are going to lose, bigtime.

Don’t you think it is time to end this discussion?  You have made your point and have resorted to ridicule which and no one is going to convince anyone else of anything.

You might try loving all females as I do.  I want to marry every lady on this forum.  They are something to behold.

Gerald Lively

Dear Gerald, after about two months of your ridicule and instead of sticking to the issues such as the several posts I have already placed today, you instead continue in your ad hominem attacks. Go for it, I will discuss issues. If you and Cariad want to be so fixated on your continuous insults I could care less.

Have a good night Gerald.

[Hemodoc]

O’Reilly found on Friday that Fluke is also dating the son of “Democratic stalwart” William Mutterperl, who has made numerous donations to the Democratic Party and liberal candidates in recent years.

“For six days, we have been telling you that the 30-year-old Georgetown law student has become a major player in the presidential election,” O’Reilly said during his “Talking Points Memo” segment. “Last night, we reported that she is now being handled pro bono, for free, by the PR firm SKDKnickerbocker, which is good, because Sandra doesn’t have enough money to buy birth control pills, as we know.  But there is more to Sandra’s story than just contraception. Right now, she’s on spring break in California with her boyfriend, who is the son of Democratic stalwart William Mutterperl. He has made at least 56 donations to Democratic candidates or organizations. Nothing wrong with that — I’m just pointing it out.”

O’Reilly then questioned whether Fluke was receiving some sort of backing in exchange for her advocacy.  Despite claiming that it is financially taxing for her to afford contraception, Fluke is somehow able to travel across the country and make numerous media appearances.

O’Reilly also noted the timing of Fluke’s rise. The law student came on the scene right when the Obama administration was being criticized for a controversial contraceptive mandate requiring some religious institutions to supply contraception against their will.

“Of course, that’s when Sandra Fluke suddenly appeared — popping up at congressional hearings, showing up in the media,” he said. “Polls show President Obama’s poll numbers among women now on the rise, and he has Ms. Fluke to thank [for] that.  If you don’t pay close attention to this story, it looks like President Obama is simply helping out a young woman under siege, but again, that’s not what’s going on here.”

Again, Ms. Fluke was not complaining that contraception was too expensive for HER, rather, it was too expensive for her friend with the ovarian cysts.

I'd bet that all sorts of students from Georgetown are dating stalwarts of both parties.  That's just the kind of institution Georgetown is, being so close to DC and all.

I'm sorry, but I just cannot agree with Bill O'Reilly that Ms. Fluke is a "major player" in the Presidential election.  Mr. O'Reilly is a genius at taking some innocuous matter and blowing it up into a major event.  If Ms. Fluke truly is a "major player", it's because the triumvirate of Issa/Boehner/Limbaugh.  Compare the time those three have talked about this issue with the time that President Obama has talked about it, and you have to wonder who is manipulating who.  If this really is a trap cleverly laid out by the President, then he is too smart by half, and well played, sir!  Maybe he can set an equally clever trap for the likes of Assad and the President of Iran's whose name I can't spell at the moment.

Sorry, Moosemom, but if she is a woman's advocate and a law student and couldn't forward the website to Planned Parenthood, then she is quite incompetent.

I don't believe that. I believe that this is a terrible fraud perpetrated against the America people. Is that what you want from your president? Really?

Once again, who is the mystical "friend" anyway. Completely absurd hearsay that makes no sense at all. Did you know that there is a Target outlet 3 miles from Georgetown University that offers the most popular OCP for $9.00 a month to those that don't have contraceptive coverage? Planned Parenthood, Title 10? Nope, Fluke couldn't find any of those options for her so called friend. By her own testimony she is incompetent if telling the truth which I seriously doubt.

[Gerald Lively]

Hemodoc;

How quickly you forget.  I started this thread with a post expressing a desire for the American electorate to discuss the more important issues of the day; like war, the economy, education, etc.  It was you who diverted this discussion to women’s issues and you clearly lost on all points.

Once again, if you cannot stay on point, then stop arguing.

gerald

[Hemodoc]

Hemodoc;

How quickly you forget.  I started this thread with a post expressing a desire for the American electorate to discuss the more important issues of the day; like war, the economy, education, etc.  It was you who diverted this discussion to women’s issues and you clearly lost on all points.

Once again, if you cannot stay on point, then stop arguing.

gerald

Have a good night Gerald and perhaps you can read some of my posts such as the loss of unified union support. So much for staying on topic huh Gerald. Anyway, have a good night.

[MooseMom]

Hemodoc, it is intellectually lazy to now claim that Sandra Fluke has been lying and has no "friend".  I don't think you truly believe that.

Yes, Sandra Fluke has been a women's advocate for some years now, working with groups that provided services for victims of rape, domestic violence and human trafficking.  How does that make her an enemy of the state?  Thank God for women like her!

Let me ask you this...Georgetown refused to cover the pills on the basis that they are used to prevent pregnancy.  What if a female student could prove that the medication was to be used to treat her ovarian cysts.  Let's say, hypothetically, that this student could show university officials scan results or something...factual, medical evidence plus testimony from her doctor that yes, this med was to be used for this purpose.  Should Georgetown or other catholic employers then relent and cover the pills?  Just a hypothetical question.

Oh, what does "OCP" mean?

[Hemodoc]

Hemodoc, it is intellectually lazy to now claim that Sandra Fluke has been lying and has no "friend".  I don't think you truly believe that.

Yes, Sandra Fluke has been a women's advocate for some years now, working with groups that provided services for victims of rape, domestic violence and human trafficking.  How does that make her an enemy of the state?  Thank God for women like her!

Let me ask you this...Georgetown refused to cover the pills on the basis that they are used to prevent pregnancy.  What if a female student could prove that the medication was to be used to treat her ovarian cysts.  Let's say, hypothetically, that this student could show university officials scan results or something...factual, medical evidence plus testimony from her doctor that yes, this med was to be used for this purpose.  Should Georgetown or other catholic employers then relent and cover the pills?  Just a hypothetical question.

Dear Moosemom,

There is absolutely no documentation that this so called "friend" exists. That is hearsay evidence not admissible to a court of law. Why are we excepting this as true when there is absolutely no evidence of that allegation.

Secondly, if she is a woman's advocate and was involved with this friend, it is absurd that she couldn't get access to OCP's. Couple that with her connections to the White House through Anita Dunn and her high profile boy friends father, no, I don't believe a word she said. There is NO evidence of its veracity. Sorry, I don't buy it at all.

I have previously stated I prescribed OCP's. This is not an issue from my professional dealings. Sorry, I don't believe the story at all, there is no verifiable proof of this myth.

[MooseMom]

A question about the pipeline...why are the Republicans trying to force the Administration to make a decision in such a short period of time?  I mean, the route of the pipeline hasn't even been decided yet, so how can a responsible president say a definitive yea or nay at this time?

I'll grant you that it's a difficult decision, so I want whoever the president is to have all of the relevant information and to have the time to really consider all sides.  There are a lot of Americans who are very much opposed to this project, and their concerns should be addressed, too.  A lot of people who for generations owned land along the Texas/Mexico border had their land taken from them to make into a safety zone for the border fence.  Their private property was comandeered by the Feds.  I would have thought that's the kind of thing you wouldn't like.

[MooseMom]

Dear Moosemom,

There is absolutely no documentation that this so called "friend" exists. That is hearsay evidence not admissible to a court of law. Why are we excepting this as true when there is absolutely no evidence of that allegation.

Secondly, if she is a woman's advocate and was involved with this friend, it is absurd that she couldn't get access to OCP's. Couple that with her connections to the White House through Anita Dunn and her high profile boy friends father, no, I don't believe a word she said. There is NO evidence of its veracity. Sorry, I don't buy it at all.

I have previously stated I prescribed OCP's. This is not an issue from my professional dealings. Sorry, I don't believe the story at all, there is no verifiable proof of this myth.

Oh, I don't feel like reading 15 pages of this thread to find out what "OCP" stands for.  "Over the Counter Protection"?  Can you just tell me what the initials stand for? 

If you don't believe the veracity of her story, that's fine.  Her testimony, true or false, came AFTER Issa's Circus, so the damage is done, anyway.  Nothing is going to make women (or men) forget that tableau of five old men giving lessons on women's bodies and their rights to contraception...or not.  If the GOP is smart, they will quietly drop the whole thing.

I must admit that I am not clear on why, after President caved to the Church, religious employers still have to provide coverage for birth control.  I thought that relieving them of this moral conundrum was the whole reason for the President's amendment to the rule.  Perhaps you can explain it to me.  Thanks.

Oh wait... OCP means "oral contraceptive pills"?  Is that right?  LOL!

I've got to go to bed.  I've read your PM but not thoroughly enough, so I will do so later, hopefully tomorrow, and will get back to you via PM.  Have a great night, everyone!

[Hemodoc]

Dear Moosemom,

The pipeline issue is one more fraudulent issue propagated against the American people. It is not as if we don't already have thousands of miles of pipelines, many of which go through the same exact land mass as the proposed pipeline.

http://www.aopl.org/

Just a bunch of hype once again.

In any case, the point of my post is that union anger is growing against Obama and they are one of his biggest supporters. They are ripe for picking. There is no reason not to approve these projects, but he is pandering to the far left on this issue.

[Willis]

I couldn't possibly do anything more than skim the last three pages of this thread, but personally I've never been offended by even the most rabidly divisive political discussions. I actually think sometimes they are quite humorous and entertaining even when the topics are not. Oh well...

On the other hand, I want to say that I am a follower of Jesus Christ and also what most would call a right-wing conservative (a lower-case "L" libertarian actually). But there are decent and civilized standards for making conversation. I just want people who disagree with me to know that I do not think you are bad people who are going to burn in hell just because you disagree with me. That is between you and God (if you believe in God...if not I guess it shouldn't matter if someone consigns you to hell  ). And it seems ironic that the loudest Christians or Conservatives (and to be fair, Liberal/Progressives too) seem to have the least ammunition and least effect on converting the "opposition."

I can't help but think of the old proverb: "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger."

(Ooops, I hope quoting the Bible doesn't offend anyone!)