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« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2006, 10:50:43 AM »

Yes, those are the details we wanted.  Now Angie, tell us your version of the story!
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« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2006, 11:19:49 AM »

Good for Angie.  What did you do? Take her to the store and say pick it out.  I would like some details.  Where did you propose?  Was it a surprise?  Things like that. 

Well, lets see.

When I got to the border on November the 5th, Canadian customs held me for over an hour because I inquired about a visa.  ::)  Why I got the 5th degreee for asking is beyond me.   ::)  Anyway, I got to Angies place very late but still in time to wish her a happy birthday, on her birthday.  But when I got here, she had company over so I didn't ask her then.  I didn't feel comfortable proposing in front of her friends, so I waited until the next day.  Now, giving that I suck a shopping for a particular womans tastes, I decided to let Angie pick the ring she likes.  So on November the 6th, I got down on one knee and gave Angie my proposal and she accepted but also told her to get dressed because we need to go shopping.  What woman wouldn't want to go shopping for jewelry?  As far as I know, it was of some suprise.

Is that the kind of details you wanted?

Yes, thank you that was much better than Angie's "SUCKY" details. She created a very good couple of posts (over 4 paragraphs) with all the details over on another site (not angieskidney.com) with only 2 people congratulating her ::) , but here on IHD.com with over 50 replies and tons of warm wishes, and I even gave it a "STICKY" we get:

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no details yet. Sandman has to get his visa and a new job. We are both poor. The wedding will be very small.

I don't understand that.

 :'( ::)
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« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2006, 12:53:51 PM »

Maybe this could be a way to meet? No better way to get together than for a wedding. Maybe there is a way to do a live webcast if the event? Just a thought.
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« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2006, 01:42:04 PM »

Congratulations Angie & Jeff. Wishing you both many happy years together.   :clap;
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« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2006, 06:38:09 PM »

Epo, I think when she said no details yet, she meant no date set, etc. 
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« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2006, 07:15:04 PM »

OHH OHH Yeah webcast!!!  That would be great!  :yahoo;
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« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2006, 08:49:06 PM »

Epo, I think when she said no details yet, she meant no date set, etc. 

Well my whole point was that she went into a lot of detail on another site. As I mentioned here:

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She created a very good couple of posts (over 4 paragraphs) with all the details over on another site (not angieskidney.com)

I understand what you mean but I don't understand why she post this on our site:

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no details yet. Sandman has to get his visa and a new job. We are both poor. The wedding will be very small.


With so many members congratulating her on this site, I think the members deserve a little more than a one-liner.

On another site she posted this long post about how they met and how he proposed and so forth. And like 2 members replied to that thread. Personally I don't care, however I think our members deserve more "details" since so many members took the time to reply to this thread AND asked for details.

But what ever. ::)


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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2006, 08:56:00 PM »

Good for Angie.  What did you do? Take her to the store and say pick it out.  I would like some details.  Where did you propose?  Was it a surprise?  Things like that. 

Well, lets see.

When I got to the border on November the 5th, Canadian customs held me for over an hour because I inquired about a visa.  ::)  Why I got the 5th degreee for asking is beyond me.   ::)  Anyway, I got to Angies place very late but still in time to wish her a happy birthday, on her birthday.  But when I got here, she had company over so I didn't ask her then.  I didn't feel comfortable proposing in front of her friends, so I waited until the next day.  Now, giving that I suck a shopping for a particular womans tastes, I decided to let Angie pick the ring she likes.  So on November the 6th, I got down on one knee and gave Angie my proposal and she accepted but also told her to get dressed because we need to go shopping.  What woman wouldn't want to go shopping for jewelry?  As far as I know, it was of some suprise.

Is that the kind of details you wanted?

Yes, thank you that was much better than Angie's "SUCKY" details. She created a very good couple of posts (over 4 paragraphs) with all the details over on another site (not angieskidney.com) with only 2 people congratulating her ::) , but here on IHD.com with over 50 replies and tons of warm wishes, and I even gave it a "STICKY" we get:

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no details yet. Sandman has to get his visa and a new job. We are both poor. The wedding will be very small.

I don't understand that.

 :'( ::)
For your info, when I typed that I had just got back from dialysis and crashed. I've crashed the last 3 times on dialysis (just ask Jeff) and it has been really hard on me. infact, yesterday at work I was so dizzy I almost decided to just go home.

When I posted on the other site and my own, it was a copy paste. Much easier. Maybe I shoulda done that here too? I thought that is what I did but I will have to check becuase I don't remember.

Anyway, still on vacation and I ONLY posted because you asked me to. I figured I would put more details on Monday after Jeff is back home. I mean, who wants to come to another country to visit a girl who is glued to the computer? I figured that could wait til he goes back home.

I only posted on my forums because it is mine and on the other one because I was asked to post there as well. I have not even posted on Sandman's gaming forum where we met in the first place! You'd think that would be the spot for that right? Anyway, been a very hard week for me and I have been grouchy. I love all the ideas everyone is giving and Jeff is trying to convince me to go for the live cam cast thingy someone mentioned. He is like a little kid at Christmas "ooh we can do that!!" Tee hee hee

Anyway, Epoman don't take it so personally that I haven't posted any great details when I said I wouldn't be posting as much for 2 weeks. I have already posted more than I planned so that should make you happy :p

Thank you everyone for all the happy wishes! It means a lot!  :cuddle; :grouphug;

And by the way, the OTHER forums have moved and my post is gone anyway.

edit: I just checked. The first post is the EXACT SAME in all three forums!
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Also I haven't posted a lot because I mean I could but if I do I would never get off the computer! As it is I have a wedding to go to tomorrow out of town and have to get to bed. No need to make this into something big when it is not. Don't worry I will post at my usual rate again. You haven't lost me :P

Okay then .. here are details:

Jeff let me choose it so he proposed before the ring but I knew when he asked that is was for real and I said yes. He was so serious. The date is not set but in a  few years. There is still so much planning and finances to plan and he still is working on coming over through customes and immagration.

We met .. well it is a long story but the short story might make me sound pathetic :P

The short story is ... we met on the net :p

The long story is ... long ago when I still had my transplant I went out with a guy named Jason. I met Jason in my city through another guy named Bill who was dating a girl named Bonnie who kinda stayed with me and never left. Jason was so busy with his job as a truck driver that when he came home all he did was want to "wind down" by playing online games. Once I lost my transplant I had all this time on my hands so he got me my own computer and I got into online games. Through Jason I met his gaming buddies Steve and Jonny and another guy named Bill who we called WildChild. When I broke up with Jason and started dating Steve I was still playing the same game but Jason stopped playing it. Then When Steve and I broke up I joined a new game with WildChild who introduced me to another game which is where I met Jeff in.

hehe :) So there it is ! :P

So anyway Jeff is here now and he proposed to me after dialysis on Monday night in my room. Did the whole get down on one knee thing and all ;)

Ya but because of financial hardship and my health .. it will be slowly done. A lot of people are under the impression as soon as I say I am engaged that I am jumping right into the planning and that the wedding will be next year. But first Jeff has to work on being allowed to live over in my country and we have to save up money for a wedding but we have already decided it will be very small (just immediate family and maybe a few very close friends - even though I would like to be able to fly his family over here or mine over there .. most likely the wedding will be in Canada though since my family is closer to me and more likely to actually attend).

There is a lot to do but the financial part is the biggy. We both really have nothing saved up for it yet with me having been off work for a year and now only working 4 hrs/wk and him being told that his job will be closing in the next year and he will be trying to find work over here.

Who knows .. maybe people will give "gifts" to my site or something lol .. not counting on it. With me hardly working and him between work and off work from his seasonal job .. it is very hard right now.
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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2006, 09:36:33 PM »

I'm not taking it personally, I was just concerned for the feelings of my members. That other forum is STILL online. It is just not being used due to the fact they changed forum software yet again. Thank you for giving the "story" I think the members deserved it. Not sure why you posted all three sets of pictures. As I was not referring to your FIRST post as giving details I was talking about the reply you added later with details.

But anyway that doesn't matter, thank you for giving the members of IHD.com what they asked for, that was all I wanted.

And I am sure the some of the members of IHD.com will chip in and we can get you guys a nice Wedding present when the time comes.  :grouphug;

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« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2006, 12:10:24 AM »

Yep, I think we should all meet and go to her wedding! Can you imagine the dialysis centers in her area getting a flood of out of the country visitors all at once!  Or else get as close the border of the US and Canada as we can, get passports for a day, go to the wedding in Canada, then come back the the US side for dialysis and visiting.  It would take some planning and finagling.  I could come as far as Milwaukee, WI.  My daughter goes to school in Milwaukee.   :2thumbsup;
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« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2006, 12:11:58 AM »

Yep, I think we should all meet and go to her wedding! Can you imagine the dialysis centers in her area getting a flood of out of the country visitors all at once!  Or else get as close the border of the US and Canada as we can, get passports for a day, go to the wedding in Canada, then come back the the US side for dialysis and visiting.  It would take some planning and finagling.  I could come as far as Milwaukee, WI.  My daughter goes to school in Milwaukee.   :2thumbsup;
lol WI is on the other side of the Great Lakes tho :P I've been as far as MN and they have some great hospitals over that way as far as my research revealed to me :P
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« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2006, 12:16:21 AM »

Okay, where in Canada are you?  That way I can plan. Muuhahahahaha!
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« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2006, 12:22:07 AM »

Okay, where in Canada are you?  That way I can plan. Muuhahahahaha!
Where the green square is.. (this is a map from my site when I used to have the Neo map on my site and would tell me how many people were on and from what part of the world and would put a yellow dot and more than one person in the same area would show an even bigger yellow dot! lol Look at the lower right to see just how many people popped into my site back this summer! When I took this screenshot there were 5 people viewing while I was on!)
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« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2006, 12:30:26 AM »

Okay, where in Canada are you?  That way I can plan. Muuhahahahaha!

Windsor, Ontario, Canada.  She is so close to Detroit MI that you can see the city of Detroit from her apartment building.  ;)  :2thumbsup;
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« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2006, 12:38:05 AM »

I have never been to Detroit, the auto manufacturer of the United States.  I may just have to go to Milwaukee to see the kid, then off to Detroit, MI. We may have a condo plan in Canada, too.  Hmmmm. Lots of people to see now across the states.  When hubby travels to see his people I could go along and see all you nice people! 

Hey Epoman, how about a site map with us on it? 
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« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2006, 12:40:52 AM »

I have never been to Detroit, the auto manufacturer of the United States.  I may just have to go to Milwaukee to see the kid, then off to Detroit, MI. We may have a condo plan in Canada, too.  Hmmmm. Lots of people to see now across the states.  When hubby travels to see his people I could go along and see all you nice people! 

Hey Epoman, how about a site map with us on it? 

Have you seen this section? http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?board=12.0  >:D ;)
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« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2006, 01:18:28 AM »

Why, yes, I have seen that section.  Have written in it many times.  Oh, you want me to go make my suggestion there????  Okay, why didn't you just say so???

I know, I know, I am always such a smart ass early in the morning hours. 
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« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2006, 11:35:45 AM »

Yep, I think we should all meet and go to her wedding! Can you imagine the dialysis centers in her area getting a flood of out of the country visitors all at once!  Or else get as close the border of the US and Canada as we can, get passports for a day, go to the wedding in Canada, then come back the the US side for dialysis and visiting.  It would take some planning and finagling.  I could come as far as Milwaukee, WI.  My daughter goes to school in Milwaukee.   :2thumbsup;

Show up in a big ol' 10-seater "church" van.   :lol;  We could make it the party van though.   :beer1;
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« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2006, 05:43:17 PM »

You did say it had to be an inexpensive wedding, right? Well, you can't get any cheaper than guests who can't have anything to drink!   >:D
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« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2006, 06:13:40 PM »

You did say it had to be an inexpensive wedding, right? Well, you can't get any cheaper than guests who can't have anything to drink! >:D

 :rofl; :rofl;

That is so true!  Just think of the food savings, too. A renal diet wedding menu...Hmmm. What exactly would that consist of???
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« Reply #70 on: November 18, 2006, 06:22:38 PM »

They can't throw the rice - it's the only thing we can all eat!
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« Reply #71 on: November 18, 2006, 11:01:33 PM »

They can't throw the rice - it's the only thing we can all eat!
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I just got back from a wedding and was depressed because Jeff had to head back home early. Then I saw all the elaborate things this wedding had and it got me so depressed because it just reminded me of all the things Jeff and I will never be able to afford. Then my cousin said that Jeff and I should not bother with a hall but have a summer time BBQ! I thought hey that would save money! :)

Anyway, I am now back from vacation and will be posting a lot again since Jeff is on his way home hours ago and I just got back from the wedding now. I was sad Jeff didn't get to dance even ONE dance with me .. but what can you do? Unless someone wanted to give Jeff $200 - $300 for the extra day car rental .. there was no way he could stay.

But ya, what other ideas can anyone come up with for a cheap wedding still done in a Church? ANy cheap ideas for the reception?  I like the BBQ idea! :)
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« Reply #72 on: November 18, 2006, 11:59:52 PM »

They can't throw the rice - it's the only thing we can all eat!
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I just got back from a wedding and was depressed because Jeff had to head back home early. Then I saw all the elaborate things this wedding had and it got me so depressed because it just reminded me of all the things Jeff and I will never be able to afford. Then my cousin said that Jeff and I should not bother with a hall but have a summer time BBQ! I thought hey that would save money! :)

Anyway, I am now back from vacation and will be posting a lot again since Jeff is on his way home hours ago and I just got back from the wedding now. I was sad Jeff didn't get to dance even ONE dance with me .. but what can you do? Unless someone wanted to give Jeff $200 - $300 for the extra day car rental .. there was no way he could stay.

But ya, what other ideas can anyone come up with for a cheap wedding still done in a Church? ANy cheap ideas for the reception?  I like the BBQ idea! :)

$200- $300 for an extra day car rental? I can rent a BMW for $59 a day, an average small car I can rent for $29 a day. Why was it so much?
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« Reply #73 on: November 19, 2006, 03:26:08 AM »

Cheap ideas: arrange flowers yourself, as much as you can.  Use candles for ambiance in the church if you are allowed.  If it's a semi-casual wedding, a cocktail style dress and nice suit are MUCH cheaper than a gown and tux.
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« Reply #74 on: November 19, 2006, 09:18:48 AM »

My wife and I were broke when we were married too. We made all the decorations ourselves, mostly bought from the "Dollar" store. We planned our wedding for the day after Valentines day, as I said, the dollar store was our best friend. We bought 2 hams, and A bunch of Au-gratin potatoes for the main course. Friends brought cookies, but I baked our wedding cake myself. Its your day, you don't need tons of money to make a nice memory..Work together, that will be your best memories of your wedding day, trust me.
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