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Title: Vomitting?
Post by: skyedogrocks on June 08, 2007, 11:49:53 AM
Does anyone get nauseous if you haven't dialyzed in a while?  Rob has been having access issues, didn't dialyze on Monday or Wednesday.  Yesterday it took him so long to get on the machine, he didn't get off until 11:30.  He was just wiped out from his arm hurting and all the emotion it took to get the needles in (Nurse had to come to our house to actually do it).  Well he normally eats before hand, but wasn't hungry.  Didn't eat until 11:45 (just an english muffin) and this morning he woke up feeling crappy.  He drank some water and threw it up and then about 10 mins later threw up again.  Both were nothing big, just some water and bile.  His blood sugars were just slightly high, 133.  After he got sick he felt much better and went to work. 

Is this normal?  Does this happen to anyone now and then?  Last time he got sick was right before he started dialysis.  I'm kinda worried.  His Dr. is off today and his nurse is on vacation for a week.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: stauffenberg on June 08, 2007, 12:03:49 PM
Clearance of toxins is never perfect on dialysis, and as a result, patients can lose their appetite and vomit at any time while on dialysis.  I used to have nausea and vomiting every single day I was on dialysis, even though my pump speed was 450 and my Kt/V was between 1.8 and 2.0.  Many diabetics also develop gastroparesis during dialysis, which is caused by the uncleared renal toxins compounding the background diabetic damage to the nerves controlling digestion.  This prevents the stomach from operating normally to digest food, leading to a feeling of fulness after eating and vomiting.  Some countries have drugs to control it, but other countries have banned most of those drugs as dangerous.  In Canada they found that domperidone, a drug normally used to promote production of breast milk in lactating women, could help with diabetic gastroparesis and did not have the dangerous side-effects that the earlier drug used for gastroparesis, propulsid, did.  The downside of domperidone in male patients is that it has a feminizing side-effect, and can even cause breast augmentation, among other things.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: glitter on June 08, 2007, 12:28:54 PM
my husband vomits at least once a week- the first year on dialysis he vomitted every day- often multiple times.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Kathleen on June 08, 2007, 12:48:55 PM
My hubby been vomiting off and on since he started dialysis also... There are days in which he vomits all day. About 2 weeks ago it was real bad.  ??? ???
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Chicken Little on June 08, 2007, 02:51:09 PM
I vomit a stomach full of bile a couple times each week when I get up.  It's been going on for about 5 years.  Before I went on dialysis, they told me it was my KD.  Now that it hasn't stopped, it's being blamed on my diabetes.  My liver tests are all perfect.  ???   It's so gross.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Kathleen on June 08, 2007, 03:02:50 PM
I vomit a stomach full of bile a couple times each week when I get up.  It's been going on for about 5 years.  Before I went on dialysis, they told me it was my KD.  Now that it hasn't stopped, it's being blamed on my diabetes.  My liver tests are all perfect.  ???   It's so gross.

I've been trying to find the reason my hubby vomits since he begin dialysis. Still, have no answer to this. It's been 9 months I just want to cuss!!!


And I do... :rant;
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Wattle on June 08, 2007, 06:09:25 PM
I vomit a stomach full of bile a couple times each week when I get up.  It's been going on for about 5 years.  Before I went on dialysis, they told me it was my KD.  Now that it hasn't stopped, it's being blamed on my diabetes.  My liver tests are all perfect.  ???   It's so gross.

 :bow;  OMG I can't believe I am not the only one. Almost every morning I am nauseous to the point of throwing up. They just keep telling me my blood levels are fine. My kids are now use to seeing me vomit in the middle of getting their lunches ready.  :P They think i'm crazy.

Chicken Little, I don't have diabetes so it can't be that with me. It also started way before dialysis and hasn't stopped. Its like continual morning sickness. I would love it to stop!    :-X
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: charee on June 08, 2007, 06:17:46 PM
i was just the same before i started dialysis it seems to have stopped now and wattle it was just like morning sickness  a feeling we can do without !!
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: tubes on June 08, 2007, 06:24:19 PM
when i was on pd, the last maybe 5 yrs i threw up all the time.  i would wake up in the middle of the night with an upset stomach...usually burp alot then throw up.  now that im on hemo, i dont throw up anymore.  well except if i miss dialysis on monday then dont dialyize until wednesday.  i get really sick and throw up while on dialysis.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Wattle on June 08, 2007, 06:33:57 PM


 ???  Maybe its a PD thing? Our clearances are not as good as a Haemo patient.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Kathleen on June 08, 2007, 06:56:37 PM
when i was on pd, the last maybe 5 yrs i threw up all the time.  i would wake up in the middle of the night with an upset stomach...usually burp alot then throw up.  now that im on hemo, i dont throw up anymore.  well except if i miss dialysis on monday then dont dialyize until wednesday.  i get really sick and throw up while on dialysis.
He is on pd..........
Thats the way hubby is.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Chicken Little on June 08, 2007, 08:30:07 PM
I just started PD this year.  My morning vomiting has been going on for at least the past 5 years, so I don't think mine is PD related. 
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: glitter on June 08, 2007, 08:38:13 PM
my husband is hemo- he vomited so bad last year he spent multiple months in the hospital and had every test known to man--not one time-NOT ONE TIME has any techs DRs or nurses ever said it was normal for a dialysis patient - after reading here for over a year it seems to be fairly common for the first year to be tough. Recently a couple of the same nurses said 'oh yeah the first year is really rough'   why could they not have told us that before? My husband vomitted to the point where he could not stop without azemed- which they will only give you in the hospital. Nowadays he takes phenergan, and he has a couple others for nasuea- if your dr has not given you phenergan ASK for it!! its cheap too.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Peter on June 08, 2007, 08:51:31 PM
I never once vomited when I was on PD, unless I had peritonitis.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: jbeany on June 08, 2007, 10:16:59 PM
I've got diabetic gastroparesis, and I take Reglan for it - it's wonderful.  I needed it with every meal until about the 3 month of dialysis, and now I only need it occasionally.  I do tend to need it more on Monday night than any other, so I'm guessing it's the toxin buildup that makes things worse.  (I'm on T, TR, S)
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Falkenbach on June 08, 2007, 10:34:17 PM
Never had dialysis, but I vomited for the first 3 days or so after my transplant. Not sure if there's any link there, I doubt it perhaps - in your cases it would be due to toxins, in mine, perhaps the new, suddenly huge doses of medications or something.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: skyedogrocks on June 09, 2007, 08:00:56 AM
I think it's the toxins also.  Rob hasn't had the best week of dialysis.  He's having so many issues with his venous access, he's going for another fistula gram next week.  Luckly he had another access put in on his upper arm, it just needs a little more time time to mature.  It took us 2 hours today to get on!

He wasn't feeling good last night after eating and threw up a little.  He also had major acid reflux, has that happened to anyone on dialysis also?

I think once he has a few good days of dialysis he will feel better. 

Sorry to hear you guys vommiting so much.  I hate when Dr.'s can't figure out what is wrong  :rant;, what is wrong with them!
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: luckaholic on June 09, 2007, 08:18:03 AM
When I was on PD I pretty much had a "throw up routine" for at least 6 months. I would wake up around 5am, throw my guts up until I felt slightly better and well enough to go back to bed. It got to the point where I just threw up all day and all night. I was in and out of hospital all the time for dehydration, then finally they figured out it was probably my failed transplant still rejecting even though it had stopped working. They took it out and I was alot better. Still threw up a bit but after a few months on hemo I improved. Now on nocturnal I dont throw up any more.

How much dialysis does your husband do? It could be a number of things that has made him sick.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: kitkatz on June 09, 2007, 02:20:42 PM
I am on hemo and sometimes I feel crappy from dialysis and am nauseous.  It happens quite a bit. I think the human body resents having to have artificial means to get the blood clean and gets payback on us frequently!
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: paris on June 09, 2007, 02:41:32 PM
Vomiting was one of my first symptoms. I am sick a couple of times a week. Feel better when I do throw up. Doctor says it is toxins built up and it is my bodies way of removing them.  It does help to hear others have the same problem.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: skyedogrocks on June 11, 2007, 01:51:44 PM
Rob has been feeling crappy all weekend long.  It's definitely the toxins from lack of dialyzing ( not his fault).  He has also been feeling so sluggish.  Poor Guy :(.  Hopefully he feels better today.  He had to go back in center because his access is still messed up. 
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Stacy Without An E on June 11, 2007, 02:11:12 PM
My first year on Dialysis I would throw up on the day of Dialysis because it had been the longest time away from Dialysis.  Most mornings when I get out of the shower before going to work I have to lie down for about 15 to 20 minutes fighting the urge to puke.  I usually take an Acidophilus tablet and rest on the bed until I feel I can rise without vomiting.  I keep a supply handy and it tends to work most of the time.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: rimbo74 on June 11, 2007, 07:12:39 PM
I'm on PD, I dont throw-up everyday or even once a week, I do however feel nauseated all the time.  Maybe I should start forcing myself to get sick, does it help?  I also try to fight it.

Eventhough I'm nauseated, for some reason it hasn't stopped me from eating a lot.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: kperkins on July 07, 2007, 03:42:43 PM
When my kidneys failure was diagnosed I was vomiting several times a day.  After I started HD it was not uncommon, but I didn't get nauseous so much.
Since I began PD a year ago I only get nauseous when I haven't eaten for a while and I'm hungry.  I usually carry some sugar free mints and it helps.

Keith
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: mixplix on August 07, 2007, 07:56:51 AM
YES!!! I throw up several times a week. They thought it was my gallbladder, but tests show its okay. I didn't know it was so common. That makes me feel a little better.  :thx;
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: st789 on August 07, 2007, 09:00:08 AM
OMG, holy cow, I guess it wasn't my liver after all.  I felt like crap every other days if I didn't get a good night of sleep.  Nausea and vommiting were the 2 common symptoms.  Drs. and nurses didn't tell me at all.  This is why I love IHD site so much. :bow;
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: glitter on August 07, 2007, 10:43:29 AM
even now, after reading about all the other people who have the vomiting as part of thier 'dialysis life', the nurses and the neph- still say it isn't dialysis, and that it is not common for a dialysis patient to barf. After being here with all of you , I think they are full of poo
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: kitkatz on August 07, 2007, 04:19:20 PM
So BARF on the next person who tells you that it is not a symptom of dialysis.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: aharris2 on August 07, 2007, 07:44:47 PM
Vomiting not part of it? We carry plastic bags with us everywhere and have become quite accomplished at vomiting in public places very discreetly  :clap; (quite some claim to fame, huh?)

Between the rapid blood pressure changes, dirty blood just prior to dialysis, gastroparesis (from diabetes) and the latest, greatest - vomiting triggered by coughing due to allergies, vomiting has become a part of (just about) everyday life.  :-\
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: jbeany on August 08, 2007, 10:24:18 AM
even now, after reading about all the other people who have the vomiting as part of their 'dialysis life', the nurses and the neph- still say it isn't dialysis, and that it is not common for a dialysis patient to barf. After being here with all of you , I think they are full of poo

Yeah, yeah, yeah - and iron injections never make anyone feel bad, and epo doesn't have any side effects, and dialysis sessions will "make you feel a little bit tired".  If dialysis doesn't make people vomit, why does my center use such a steady supply of barf bags?  I'm throwing up less and less these days, now that I'm on home hemo and am getting better dialysis.  I can also control my fluid goals during dialysis myself, so as soon as my bp starts to drop even a little, I can slow down or stop the fluid coming off.  A dropping blood pressure makes me queasy every time.

Vomiting is another "Tinkerbell" symptom.  If the doc doesn't believe in it, he's sure it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: pdpatty on August 16, 2007, 07:40:31 PM
Hmmm,so that is why the nurse always asks me if I was naucious or had vomited. She always seems a little surprised when I say no to both. Havn't been at all sick on hemo but was always sick on my stomach while on pd.  Just smelling food while I cooked it would make me sick,but even then ,I did not vomit. I often say you could shove a plumbers helper down my throat and I still would't puke!
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: angela515 on August 16, 2007, 07:44:21 PM
Hmmm,so that is why the nurse always asks me if I was naucious or had vomited. She always seems a little surprised when I say no to both. Havn't been at all sick on hemo but was always sick on my stomach while on pd.  Just smelling food while I cooked it would make me sick,but even then ,I did not vomit. I often say you could shove a plumbers helper down my throat and I still would't puke!

Your totally opposite of myself. While I was on hemo, I felt horrible everyday basically... always sick, didn't really want to eat... I felt like hemo was death.. or least as close as I wanted to be to it without actually being it. But for PD for me, it was awesome... totally the closest to feeling like a transplant but wasn't...

Just goes to show you how different every person is on dialysis. :)
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Ohio Buckeye on August 16, 2007, 08:03:39 PM
I find that if I overeat I feel real full and get sick.
I have lost weight, maybe my stomach has shrunk.
I do better eating smaller meals more often.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: angela515 on August 16, 2007, 08:06:30 PM
I find that if I overeat I feel real full and get sick.
I have lost weight, maybe my stomach has shrunk.
I do better eating smaller meals more often.


I think most people's stomaches shrink on dialysis, if even only a a very tiny bit... b/c the fact remains you DO eat less on dialysis...
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Adam_W on August 16, 2007, 09:50:21 PM
I'm kind of a rare case as far as the whole puke thing goes. Although I feel nauseous occasionally (sometimes VERY badly), I've only actually puked once since I got sick, and that was my very first day in the hospital when I still thought that all I had was a bad stomach flu.

Adam
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: skyedogrocks on August 17, 2007, 05:25:25 AM
The only time Rob vomitted was right before dialysis and about 2 months ago when he had dialysis issues.  All the toxin build up made him so sick.  Other than that, he has never felt sick on dialysis.  He actually feels really good, although not as good as a new kidney would make him feel.  But,  I am just happy he feels fine.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: Ken Shelmerdine on August 17, 2007, 07:44:35 AM
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I think most people's stomaches shrink on dialysis, if even only a a very tiny bit... b/c the fact remains you DO eat less on dialysis...

 Christ I wish mine would shrink. I'm fed up of looking like I'm pregnant!  ;D



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Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: angela515 on August 17, 2007, 10:41:34 AM

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I think most people's stomaches shrink on dialysis, if even only a a very tiny bit... b/c the fact remains you DO eat less on dialysis...
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 Christ I wish mine would shrink. I'm fed up of looking like I'm pregnant!  ;D

LOL.. I wish the outside would shrink too.... :p
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: goofynina on August 17, 2007, 11:48:05 AM
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Christ I wish mine would shrink. I'm fed up of looking like I'm pregnant!

Amen!!!

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LOL.. I wish the outside would shrink too.... :p

and another AAAAMEN!!!  :2thumbsup;



(OOOps. Mod error-meant to quote you all. Kitkatz-moderator)
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: kitkatz on August 17, 2007, 09:11:18 PM
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Christ I wish mine would shrink. I'm fed up of looking like I'm pregnant!

Amen!!!

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LOL.. I wish the outside would shrink too.... :p

and another AAAAMEN!!!  :2thumbsup;



(OOOps. Mod error-meant to quote you all. Kitkatz-moderator)



I have got to pay attention the the buttons on the board when I go to quote. My apologies to all. 


My comment: ME TOO!
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: tamara on August 19, 2007, 04:36:35 AM
Before  I started dialysis, i used to be sick every morning, haven't been sick really since startin it
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: luckaholic on November 02, 2007, 04:46:01 AM
If you miss a session or multiple sessions you are bound to feel ill or vomit due to urea levels rising. When I was on PD I threw up every single morning multiple times and then sometimes during the night. It wasnt until I got my failed transplanted kidney removed and started hemo that I stopped vomiting.
Title: Re: Vomitting?
Post by: livecam on November 02, 2007, 07:35:01 AM
If I missed a session or sessions I felt lousy all over.  The subject of this thread never happened though either before, during, or after dialysis.  BTW:Tamara, you look great!