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Off-Topic => Political Debates - Thick Skin Required for Entry => Topic started by: Rerun on October 23, 2012, 05:44:51 AM
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Just for fun. Only one vote per member. This is anonymous.
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I filled out and mailed my ballot this weekend, I am done.
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I filled out and mailed my ballot this weekend, I am done.
As did I, thank God!
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I'll be standing in line at my new precinct, but it will be worth it. I think I'll go first thing in the morning to avoid the after 5 crowd.
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probably voting tomorrow. I don't like either guy running, kind of feel forced to vote for the lesser evil this year. :puke;
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We already voted too.Wish today was Nov. 7th.
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probably voting tomorrow. I don't like either guy running, kind of feel forced to vote for the lesser evil this year. :puke;
I feel like there's not always someone to vote for - but there's always someone to vote against!
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wow, it's a close race on IHD, just like it is in real life.
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Mailed our ballots last week - it's up to Royal Mail and USPS now.
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Wow Im surprised so many people on here are going to vote for Romney. It seemed so many sick people are going to vote for Obama.
Lisa
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I'm not surprised. There are a lot of divisive issues this time besides healthcare.
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Wow Im surprised so many people on here are going to vote for Romney. It seemed so many sick people are going to vote for Obama.
Lisa
I'm not surprised either since Romney/Ryan at least have offered SOME ideas about how to save SS/Medicare from bankruptcy. ALL previous administrations of both parties have just put it on auto-pilot, afraid of the demagogic scare tactics. If nothing is done, the system will be bankrupt and then the cuts that will HAVE to come will be drastic and unplanned for. Like the old saying about neglecting maintenance on your car: Pay me now or pay me later. The current situation is unsustainable for the long run.
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Do you know what, In the UK we are in the same position. I have always voted ,,but I would not vote if there was an election to-morrow. They are all lying corrupt basta**s. Both parties are the same as one another. Once they get in all their promises mean nothing. It is wrong not to vote, I agree, I just wish on voting day every one in the country would decide not to and see where that left them. People say that if you do not vote you should not moan about the government. I can still moan because nothing will be done about it, what I think is of no consequence to them. They go on their merry way regardless. I have been watching a bit about your Elections and Romney does not seem sincere to me, if he gets in "God help you America" He seems like another Bush. Lots of money and lots of rich friends with no idea how the other half survive.. I will be keeping my eye on your elections.
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Wow Im surprised so many people on here are going to vote for Romney. It seemed so many sick people are going to vote for Obama.
Lisa
I'm not surprised either since Romney/Ryan at least have offered SOME ideas about how to save SS/Medicare from bankruptcy. ALL previous administrations of both parties have just put it on auto-pilot, afraid of the demagogic scare tactics. If nothing is done, the system will be bankrupt and then the cuts that will HAVE to come will be drastic and unplanned for. Like the old saying about neglecting maintenance on your car: Pay me now or pay me later. The current situation is unsustainable for the long run.
Actually, BOTH candidates have a plan to address reform of Medicare; it's just that since Mr. Obama is our current president, his plan is already being enacted by way of the ACA. Now, whether or not you believe that the ACA will work in that regard is a whole 'nuther question, but it is inaccurate to imply that Romney/Ryan are the only ones with a plan.
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/11/news/economy/obama-romney-medicare/index.html
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http://www.usatoday.com/interactives/news/politics/candidate-match-game/
I thought this was interesting - USA Today's Candidate Match Game. They provide you a percentage tally of which candidate you agree with the most on the the primary issues. You have the opportunity at the end to weight your answers on your most important issues. I was 63% Obama.
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Do you know what, In the UK we are in the same position. I have always voted ,,but I would not vote if there was an election to-morrow. They are all lying corrupt basta**s. Both parties are the same as one another. Once they get in all their promises mean nothing. It is wrong not to vote, I agree, I just wish on voting day every one in the country would decide not to and see where that left them. People say that if you do not vote you should not moan about the government. I can still moan because nothing will be done about it, what I think is of no consequence to them. They go on their merry way regardless. I have been watching a bit about your Elections and Romney does not seem sincere to me, if he gets in "God help you America" He seems like another Bush. Lots of money and lots of rich friends with no idea how the other half survive.. I will be keeping my eye on your elections.
You've got Romney pegged, billy!
I read an article that the rest of the world overwhelmingly favours Obama. They polled countries across the globe, and the only place Romney was more popular than Obama was Pakistan. (Not sure why, my only guess would be Republicans unabashed hostility towards women.)
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I went to early vote on the 15th. Then this past Monday (22nd) took John to vote. They would not let me go with him to read it to him. I will never understand why cause they have let me in the past. A gentlemen who worked the elections came up and offered to help John to his booth. Thought that was nice of him. But noticed John was asking him to read it to him and the gentlemen said he was not allowed to do that!
As many on this site know, John has somewhat of a blurred vision due to his diabeties. It ticked me off cause the man said he would help John. I overheard the struggle and got pissed and hollered to John to punch everything that looked like an "R". You should have seen the anger that was shot at me with mumblings & looks that could kill!
When John fininshed, we got the Hell out of Dodge! I told him that from this point on, he was going to vote Absentee. Its just too hard to get him in and out. He wanted to go and do it, cause he knew it may never happen for him again.
God Bless,
lmunchkin :kickstart;
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Do you know what, In the UK we are in the same position. I have always voted ,,but I would not vote if there was an election to-morrow. They are all lying corrupt basta**s. Both parties are the same as one another. Once they get in all their promises mean nothing. It is wrong not to vote, I agree, I just wish on voting day every one in the country would decide not to and see where that left them. People say that if you do not vote you should not moan about the government. I can still moan because nothing will be done about it, what I think is of no consequence to them. They go on their merry way regardless. I have been watching a bit about your Elections and Romney does not seem sincere to me, if he gets in "God help you America" He seems like another Bush. Lots of money and lots of rich friends with no idea how the other half survive.. I will be keeping my eye on your elections.
You've got Romney pegged, billy!
I read an article that the rest of the world overwhelmingly favours Obama. They polled countries across the globe, and the only place Romney was more popular than Obama was Pakistan. (Not sure why, my only guess would be Republicans unabashed hostility towards women.)
I would guess it's the drone war that has soured them on Obama (not sure I blame them) and I am sure they appreciate Romney's position in 2008 that he would consult with Pakistan before going after any high value targets (aka OBL) within their borders.
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Wow Im surprised so many people on here are going to vote for Romney. It seemed so many sick people are going to vote for Obama.
Lisa
I'm not surprised either since Romney/Ryan at least have offered SOME ideas about how to save SS/Medicare from bankruptcy. ALL previous administrations of both parties have just put it on auto-pilot, afraid of the demagogic scare tactics. If nothing is done, the system will be bankrupt and then the cuts that will HAVE to come will be drastic and unplanned for. Like the old saying about neglecting maintenance on your car: Pay me now or pay me later. The current situation is unsustainable for the long run.
It is sad that your view seems to be wide spread Willis.
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Vote vote vote.....
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I voted last week. I'm pro President Obama all the way.
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I will be voting next week, but it is never busy were I go, but then again I am using the low vision equiped voting machine. The hardest part is voting for local politicial idiots with attack ads and no substance.
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We went and voted today. Romney was not my first choice, I was rooting for Herman Cain, but no way could I pull a lever for Obama. I don't deal well with either socialism or class warfare.
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I'm neither voting for Romney nor Obama. Obama is certainly the lesser of two evils, and will handily win reelection, but he lost my vote when he decided he could declare American citizens enemies and kill them without due process. I think Democrats are giving Obama a free pass on something they would rightly castigate a Republican president for doing. It's something I wish more Obama critics would focus on instead of on complete nonsense like socialism and birth certificates.
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As if no one would have guessed ( :P ), I came up for Romney 98% on the USA TODAY quiz.
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http://www.usatoday.com/interactives/news/politics/candidate-match-game/
I thought this was interesting - USA Today's Candidate Match Game. They provide you a percentage tally of which candidate you agree with the most on the the primary issues. You have the opportunity at the end to weight your answers on your most important issues. I was 63% Obama.
I got 50% Romney, 50% Obama.
I am considering writing someone in.
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Tough in the middle, isn't it? I think mine would have been closer to 50/50, but the Republican's who can't think faster than they can talk when it comes to reproductive rights are turning me a lot more staunch feminist than usual.
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Believe it or not, Republicans don’t wake up in the morning thinking about women's reproductive organs. Can you name a single individual who has been denied oral contraceptives or abortions? Do you see Governor Romney even campaigning on either of these issues? The answer is “no”. Women can walk into the local Walmart and get inexpensive over the counter contraceptives as well as a month's supply of birth control pills for $9 or less.
Yes, there are those on the fringe right who are 100% against abortion for any reason, just as there are those on the fringe left who believe in abortion on demand at anytime during pregnancy (including Obama who stated he's pro-choice on third-trimester abortions - http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/video-obama-says-hes-pro-choice-third-trimester-abortions_650524.html). Yet, "Democrats for Life of America" (http://www.democratsforlife.org) is a group of pro-life Democrats who advocate for a pro-life plank in the Democratic Party's platform and for pro-life Democratic candidates. And in fairness, the Republican group "The Wish List" (http://www.thewishlist.org/) supports pro-choice Republican women.
Yet, overall, Republicans do not believe that it is government's responsibility to pay for birth control pills and abortions while also objecting to government mandates that employers pay for services for their employees, even ones that go against the employer’s moral conscience. Particularly offensive is the requirement within the Obamacare Act that religious hospitals, charities, and schools must provide and pay for insurance coverage for abortion-inducing drugs—including the morning-after pill and the week-after drug, ella.
No, those who bring up “reproductive organs” as the element of greatest importance in this election cycle attempt to demean women. Don't be surprised that many are more concerned about the effects of real double-digit unemployment rate in this country and the mountainous debt that will soon erode or eliminate social programs on which many people rely.
As an aside, it seems that pro-life candidates are always being grilled on their beliefs by the media. Wouldn’t it be fair for pro-choice candidates having to field equally hard questions for their views? Something to think about...
NASHVILLE (BP) -- Debate moderators and reporters love to ask pro-life candidates hard questions about abortion. Curiously, they don't do the same for pro-choice candidates.
Here are 10 questions you never hear a pro-choice candidate asked by the media:
1. You say you support a woman's right to make her own reproductive choices in regards to abortion and contraception. Are there any restrictions you would approve of?
2. In 2010, The Economist featured a cover story on "the war on girls" and the growth of "gendercide" in the world -- abortion based solely on the sex of the baby. Does this phenomenon pose a problem for you or do you believe in the absolute right of a woman to terminate a pregnancy because the unborn fetus is female?
3. In many states, a teenager can have an abortion without her parents' consent or knowledge but cannot get an aspirin from the school nurse without parental authorization. Do you support parental notification regarding abortion access for minors?
4. If you do not believe that human life begins at conception, when do you believe it begins? At what stage of development should an unborn child have human rights?
5. Currently, when genetic testing reveals an unborn child has Down Syndrome, most women choose to abort. How do you answer the charge that this phenomenon resembles the "eugenics" movement a century ago -- the slow, but deliberate "weeding out" of those our society would deem "unfit" to live?
6. Do you believe an employer should be forced to violate his or her religious conscience by providing access to abortifacient drugs and contraception to employees?
7. Alveda King, niece of Martin Luther King, Jr. has said that "abortion is the white supremacist's best friend," pointing to the fact that African Americans and Latinos represent 25 percent of our population but account for 59 percent of all abortions. How do you respond to the charge that the majority of abortion clinics are found in inner-city areas with large numbers of minorities?
8. You describe abortion as a "tragic choice." If abortion is not morally objectionable, then why is it tragic? Does this mean there is something about abortion that is different than other standard surgical procedures?
9. Do you believe abortion should be legal once the unborn fetus is viable -- able to survive outside the womb?
10. If a pregnant woman and her unborn child are murdered, do you believe the criminal should face two counts of murder and serve a harsher sentence?
This column first appeared at TrevinWax.com.
http://www.bpnews.net/BPFirstPerson.asp?ID=39003
Sigh. It is sheer ignorance to suggest that pro-choice candidates have never addressed those issues. Wow! Do a bit of research before suggesting that pro-choice individuals don't field these questions. Gah! You linked to a video where Obama was asked about late-term abortion in the same post that complains that pro-choice candidates don't have to answer these questions. (And, incidentally, he did not ever state that he did or did not personally support late-term abortion, just that he was pro-choice and trusted women to make their own choices. He never once said he believed in "abortion on demand at anytime during pregnancy" as you insinuated.)
OK, let me do the work for you and give a few answers here:
1. I think most people believe late-term abortion should be limited to extreme circumstances, where the life of the mother is in danger or something equally horrific, and that is why there are narrow legal restrictions. One of the engineers who reported to my husband had to watch his son die - suffocate to be exact - because there was some malformation in the heart and lungs. There was no option to operate in utero, they desperately wanted this baby, and his wife went to term. What would the difference have been if she were induced (a "late-term abortion") at 26 weeks? Perhaps the baby's suffering would have been reduced or eliminated, and perhaps her suffering and toll on her body would have been reduced as well.
2. So you agree there's a war on girls, but not a war on women? Fascinating. What does abortion throughout the world have to do with campaigns in the US? Americans are known for preferring baby girls to boys, and yes this has been studied. I wrote my archaeology master's term paper on gender-based infanticide, and it is totally false that, in one academic journal author's words, "this is only a story of destroying the female". To answer your question, yes, women should be allowed to have an abortion if they don't want to have a baby. The reasons that they don't want a baby are immaterial to me as a pro-choice woman who's had two kids and faced her own maddeningly difficult choices in life. That's what we grown-up women do - we make tough choices and don't need white men to tell us how to manage our bodies.
3. Teenagers should never, never have to tell their parents about an abortion. Never. Not in a single case on earth or in your imagination.
4. I don't think in terms of when life begins, I think in terms of when a fetus is viable which is generally what the law considers when it comes to rights. Do you want a zygote to have the same rights as you?
5. I would personally say that is typical fringey right-wing hyperbole to compare abortion of trisomy fetuses to genocide. I would like to think that if I had had to make that choice, I would not let fear of the wrath of pro-lifers or even fear of eternal damnation stop me from making what i believe is the kindest choice to make. I would gladly face a Christian's idea of hell to stop the suffering of one of my children. I think it is selfish to bring a child into the world to suffer. Most trisomy kids are born with a host of other medical problems - painful physical defects that require constant intervention, not to mention the social abuse many suffer. I think it's a no-win situation and up to the individual to make the choice that they think is best under these heartbreaking circumstances.
6. I believe an employer should be forced to provide comprehensive medical coverage and do not give a rip about his or her beliefs. If we start worrying about everyone's "religious conscience" then how long before an employer claims that they don't believe in any medical intervention because God will either a heal a person or it wasn't in The Plan? The employer only has to provide an insurance plan which the employee pays for. It is the insurance company that provides the payment for claims and the law which provides the access.
7. Alveda King is a tool of the far-right - she has said Martin Luther King was a Republican which has been rated false by PoltiFact and King's own son. Why on earth do we care about her views on abortion? Being related to a famous civil-rights leader and attempting to ride his coattails to political relevance does not constitute any sort of impressive credentials. I treat anything she says as suspect.
8. I don't describe abortion as a universally tragic choice, though it certainly can be tragic. Really? Something has to be morally objectionable to be tragic? Since when are these synonyms? A woman who chooses an abortion because she is carrying a fetus with defects incompatible with life is facing a tragic, tragic situation. Choosing to have the baby anyway and watch it die is also a tragic choice, see above.
9. We've covered this in the "late-term abortion thing" section.
10. That really depends on the circumstances as court cases tend to do.
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Romney would appoint Supreme Court justices that would support over turning Roe and we'd be back to the '60s as soon as Ginsberg or Kennedy retired. That isn't an open question is it?
It is only through religious belief that you can deem a zygote a person, thus that was a step too far for even Mississippi. Yet, a Republican President, elected today, would not veto a personhood Bill. If you care about women's reproductive rights you have to vote Democratic until the Republican fever breaks.
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Noahvale, the reason that "pro-life" candidates are questioned about their stance is because the law is already "pro-choice" via Roe vs Wade. These candidates are asked these questions because they would vote to change the law, given the opportunity, by way of influencing who the next Supreme might be.
If we had single payer, employers' religious beliefs regarding contraception would never be an issue. My employer's beliefs should never be a factor in my health care. Why would anyone want this?
I'm sure that Republicans for the most part don't wake up each morning thinking about women's reproductive organs, probably because the older and maler Republicans don't know how they work in the first place. At least it seems that way.
Which "inexpensive" OTC contraceptives that a woman can buy at Walmart are you talking about? Are you talking about condoms? Do you really think that most women want to trust their contraception to a MAN? hahahahaha! How many men do you know who are oh so eager and oh so willing to wear a condom? Birth control pills and all other barrier and hormonal contraceptives require a prescription, and for a prescription, you have to go to a doctor, and THAT's the expensive part, especially if you don't have insurance.
Abortion clinics are more numerous in areas with large minority populations because these clinics are primarily used as places to obtain subsidized/free primary care like mammograms or Pap smears, more so than to get an abortion. And that's another reason why Republican candidates are asked about their views on abortion/contraception. Their opposition leads to the defunding of Planned Parenthood and to other organizations that offer primary health care to low-income women, and THAT is government interference on the most personal level.
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I'm sure that Republicans for the most part don't wake up each morning thinking about women's reproductive organs, probably because the older and maler Republicans don't know how they work in the first place. At least it seems that way.
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Women can walk into the local Walmart and get inexpensive over the counter contraceptives as well as a month's supply of birth control pills for $9 or less.
Women don't take birth control just because they want to have sex. Many women have to take birth control pills for health reasons.
Yet, overall, Republicans do not believe that it is government's responsibility to pay for birth control pills--
Which was never the issue. The issue was whether or not private insurance companies would provide coverage for birth control paid for by the woman's insurance premiums, not by tax payers or government. The Republican Outrage Industry simply made up the story about Sandra Fluke wanting tax payers to subsidize her partying.
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Come on there are more than 44 people on this site. Vote it is your right.
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The big day has finally arrived. Lets all hope and pray that whatever choice we made, it is the right one. If Obama had not allowed 4 americans to die in Benghazi, he probably would have won in a landslide, altho, I dont know why. After reading the Obamacare, I discoverd that in a year and a half I will be seeing the "Panel" And, yes, it is in the Obamacar Plan and maybe I will never have to go on dialysis, they will just let me die then, so I wont be wasting any money. God help us all.
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The big day has finally arrived. Lets all hope and pray that whatever choice we made, it is the right one. If Obama had not allowed 4 americans to die in Benghazi, he probably would have won in a landslide, altho, I dont know why. After reading the Obamacare, I discoverd that in a year and a half I will be seeing the "Panel" And, yes, it is in the Obamacar Plan and maybe I will never have to go on dialysis, they will just let me die then, so I wont be wasting any money. God help us all.
Jean, I don't know what you heard, but I thought you'd written a few years ago that you understood that there were no Death Panels mandated in the ACA. Do not let politicians who are desperate to win an election scare you into believing baseless claims about the President. Here, hope this puts your mind at ease through the impending Obama victory: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/over75.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/over75.asp)
My understanding is that the ACA requires patients be offered end of life counseling. Toward the end of my time in America, every time I would visit a new doctor they would hand me dozens of brochures about my death. (not emotionally uplifting, but I certainly did not suspect any nefarious motives). I could always say I wasn't interested and they would drop the subject, although with transplant you absolutely must (at least at my centre) fill out some basic forms about power of attorney, medical interventions desired, etc.
I intend to still be reading your witty posts in 18 months time, my dear, but stress is a killer, so try not to needlessly worry yourself. :cuddle;
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Come on there are more than 44 people on this site. Vote it is your right.
Unless you are not an American citizen, of course. Step away from the computer all you foreigners! :police:
(Kidding. I actually quite enjoy reading outside perspectives on our political madness, though few probably have the patience to bother following it.)
Someone at the charity shop asked if I missed being in America during the election. My response went something like this: :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
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I am fascinated by the whole she-bang, but I'm too polite to make any comment. I will be sitting up all Wednesday following every blow of the results coming in.
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May the best man win!
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I just hope that anyone who wants to vote gets the chance to.
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Regarging Gendercide - my Indian friends tell me that it is a criminal offense for a doctor in their country to tell expectant parents the gender of the expected offspring prior to birth for exactly this reason.
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Obama is going to win handily with 300+ electoral votes. But after he's reelected, there's still work to be done. I hope Obama supporters put as much effort into pushing him and the Senate Democrats away from agreeing to any kind of grand bargain with the Republicans to cut social security and Medicare as they put into getting out their vote today.
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The IHD vote seems to reflect what is happening in the nation at large. It was close for a while there, and now Obama has pulled ahead in an IHD landslide! :laugh:
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I'm neither voting for Romney nor Obama. Obama is certainly the lesser of two evils, and will handily win reelection, but he lost my vote when he decided he could declare American citizens enemies and kill them without due process. I think Democrats are giving Obama a free pass on something they would rightly castigate a Republican president for doing. It's something I wish more Obama critics would focus on instead of on complete nonsense like socialism and birth certificates.
I agree with this. I appreciate intelligent criticism of the candidate whom I support. For me, maybe this sounds horrible, Obama's actions were not a deal breaker for me as they were for you, HM. I understand what you are saying and unfortunately I don't remember that episode well enough to speak intelligently about it, but the closest Barack Obama came to a deal breaker with me was when he said that he did not support gay marriage. Also, I, like many Democrats, quickly became fed up with Obama lying down for the Republicans. He is amazing when he really takes a stand and with this whingey, obstructionist, disrespectful Congress, he really needs to put more than a few of them in their place. If he had not shown that side of himself with some degree of frequency, I probably would be doing as you're doing and looking for someone else to throw my support behind (not Romney).
And yes, anyone who thinks Obama has brought socialism to this country does not really understand what socialism is.
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Don't have to ask this family how they all are going to vote.... :rofl;
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And yes, anyone who thinks Obama has brought socialism to this country does not really understand what socialism is.
It really is astounding. Spending growth is down, corporate profits are up. If Obama is a socialist, George W. Bush is Chairman Mao.
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Also, I, like many Democrats, quickly became fed up with Obama lying down for the Republicans. He is amazing when he really takes a stand and with this whingey, obstructionist, disrespectful Congress, he really needs to put more than a few of them in their place. If he had not shown that side of himself with some degree of frequency, I probably would be doing as you're doing and looking for someone else to throw my support behind (not Romney).
And yes, anyone who thinks Obama has brought socialism to this country does not really understand what socialism is.
Americans voted for Obama because he preached consensus, and that's what the electorate wanted. And that's what he tried to do, which must have been difficult when the likes of Mitch McConnell (sp? Don't care enough to look it up.) says that his mission is to make Mr. Obama a one-term President. Our Constitution was written to make compromise the overriding mandate, yet when Obama tried to achieve that, he was viewed as "lying down" for the Republicans. So on the one hand, Americans say they want both parties to work together, but on the other hand, they vote in people like Joe Walsh who see "compromise" as a dirty word.
Ultimately, we in a democracy get the government we deserve. If we vote in extremists and obstructionists, then we will get a do-nothing Congress.
I would like to pose a question about Mr. Romney. If I am understanding him correctly, he is a strong advocate of giving/returning as much power to the States as possible. He would like to see a myriad of issues returned to the states, along with the funding of things like health care and education. Now, most of the states that comprise the Old South are heavily reliant upon federal funding. These states are given more in federal funding than they return.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/
So, why would states in the South, some of them the poorest in the nation, want less federal spending in their states? Have you ever thought about how much these states contribute to the deficit? (BTW, both sides of my family come from the South...Louisiana and Mississippi.) Anyone have any thoughts about this?
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Women can walk into the local Walmart and get inexpensive over the counter contraceptives as well as a month's supply of birth control pills for $9 or less.
Women don't take birth control just because they want to have sex. Many women have to take birth control pills for health reasons.
Yet, overall, Republicans do not believe that it is government's responsibility to pay for birth control pills--
Which was never the issue. The issue was whether or not private insurance companies would provide coverage for birth control paid for by the woman's insurance premiums, not by tax payers or government. The Republican Outrage Industry simply made up the story about Sandra Fluke wanting tax payers to subsidize her partying.
Hmmm, as a primary care doctor, I prescribed thousands of OCP's (Birth control pills) and the overwhelming majority were for birth control issues only. Only a handful were for health related reasons in those 20 years of practice. Sorry, what is the basis for your claim? The number of health related issues where the OCP's are medicinal is only a small percentage from my nearly 20 years as a primary care doctor. Sorry to disagree, but that was not my experience at all.
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I don't understand why any man would do anything to keep a woman from getting contraceptives. The pill has been the greatest invention for men's sexual pleasure. Women certainly DO use contraception because they want to have sex, but they ALSO use it because MEN want to have sex. If you really believe in personal responsibility, we should be encouraging more men to take responsibility for birth control. After all, they don't want to be saddled with having to support an unwanted child, I'd guess? But no; men don't like condoms, so that means we ladies have to take control, and that's fair enough. But don't stand in our way when what we really want to do exercise that personal responsibility we keep hearing so much about.
For myself, though, I will say that I took oral contraceptives on two occasions for health reasons, and on one of those occasions, the pill saved my life, and that was just four years ago. When I was younger, taking the pill for a number of years actually ENABLED me to finally conceive as it regulated my cycle.
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Women can walk into the local Walmart and get inexpensive over the counter contraceptives as well as a month's supply of birth control pills for $9 or less.
Women don't take birth control just because they want to have sex. Many women have to take birth control pills for health reasons.
Yet, overall, Republicans do not believe that it is government's responsibility to pay for birth control pills--
Which was never the issue. The issue was whether or not private insurance companies would provide coverage for birth control paid for by the woman's insurance premiums, not by tax payers or government. The Republican Outrage Industry simply made up the story about Sandra Fluke wanting tax payers to subsidize her partying.
Hmmm, as a primary care doctor, I prescribed thousands of OCP's (Birth control pills) and the overwhelming majority were for birth control issues only. Only a handful were for health related reasons in those 20 years of practice. Sorry, what is the basis for your claim? The number of health related issues where the OCP's are medicinal is only a small percentage from my nearly 20 years as a primary care doctor. Sorry to disagree, but that was not my experience at all.
You are 1 doctor and you have had multiple patients who needed birth control for medical reasons. How many thousands of doctors are in the U.S.? Do the math.
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Americans voted for Obama because he preached consensus, and that's what the electorate wanted. And that's what he tried to do, which must have been difficult when the likes of Mitch McConnell (sp? Don't care enough to look it up.) says that his mission is to make Mr. Obama a one-term President. Our Constitution was written to make compromise the overriding mandate, yet when Obama tried to achieve that, he was viewed as "lying down" for the Republicans. So on the one hand, Americans say they want both parties to work together, but on the other hand, they vote in people like Joe Walsh who see "compromise" as a dirty word.
I don't know that consensus is truly what was behind Obama's victory - I think it was much more that he energized young voters, people hated the train wreck that was the Bush administration, and he was a smart, eloquent candidate - perhaps opposite to Bush in every important way. When the Republicans repeatedly make it clear to Obama that they have no interest in compromise, and when they call him un-American while doing everything in their power to degrade the office of the President, and state in the midst of the worst financial crisis of our generation that all they really care about is to get him out of office, he needed to show that Democrats are perfectly capable of standing up to this nonsense. He did this, and it was brilliant, but it was not consistent enough for me. I did not "view" it as lying down, he was lying down far too often. Then, just as I was about to give up, he would appear to smack down a republican or two. In January 2009 I was really ill, my husband had an incredibly unstable job situation and we had just been forced to move cross country again. All I wanted to know was how he was going to start fixing the mess and every time a republican appeared with their cutesy cutesy chants that would be endlessly parroted by the entire party, I just wanted Obama to drive home to them that he was in charge now and that he was a champion of people like us (to borrow the key word from his final campaign speech).
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Women can walk into the local Walmart and get inexpensive over the counter contraceptives as well as a month's supply of birth control pills for $9 or less.
Women don't take birth control just because they want to have sex. Many women have to take birth control pills for health reasons.
Yet, overall, Republicans do not believe that it is government's responsibility to pay for birth control pills--
Which was never the issue. The issue was whether or not private insurance companies would provide coverage for birth control paid for by the woman's insurance premiums, not by tax payers or government. The Republican Outrage Industry simply made up the story about Sandra Fluke wanting tax payers to subsidize her partying.
Hmmm, as a primary care doctor, I prescribed thousands of OCP's (Birth control pills) and the overwhelming majority were for birth control issues only. Only a handful were for health related reasons in those 20 years of practice. Sorry, what is the basis for your claim? The number of health related issues where the OCP's are medicinal is only a small percentage from my nearly 20 years as a primary care doctor. Sorry to disagree, but that was not my experience at all.
The basis of his claim would be that whatever the reason a woman chooses to use birth control, tax payers would not be paying for it. So what is the basis for the republican outrage? That they don't get to take control of women's reproduction? Having a baby is a major health decision - a person had better be ready for it physically and emotionally because it is a ride that has plenty of surprises in store, medical and otherwise.
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I agree with you, cariad, but Obama DID campaign on the promise that he would work to bring the two sides together, and that's what people wanted to hear along with how he was going to be different than Bush. I think the President did try to do as he promised, but as in most things, it does take two. John Boehner couldn't control his caucus, so whenever anyone complains about the President's supposed lack of leadership, I have to wonder why Boehner doesn't receive the same criticism. It was after the midterms that Congressional action really stalled, and since the President is neither king nor dictator, there was only so much concensus he could create.
Even now, people are saying they want the same thing as they did 4 years ago...concensus, reaching across the aisle, working together, etc. But we are, in the same breath, being described as more divided as ever. Color me confused!
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Even now, people are saying they want the same thing as they did 4 years ago...concensus, reaching across the aisle, working together, etc. But we are, in the same breath, being described as more divided as ever. Color me confused!
I'm with you there. And I do remember him campaigning on working with Republicans but I had absolutely no idea how doggedly he would stick to that promise, even when it was obvious that it was getting him and the country nowhere. I think I and many others expected too much of him too soon (which is remarkable considering how much he accomplished in such a short time span).
Bill Maher did a whole riff in which he said that people only care about political compromise in theory. I think he may have been on to something there.
I hope Obama wins because I do think it will be the best hope for the country, my country, our country, but if Romney wins, well, I feel a bit guilty that I'm safely over here and people I care about will have to face that future and I won't.
Anyhow, as Rerun said, may the best man win. :beer1;
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Bill Maher is probably right, but I am hoping that the truth is that the more moderate portion of the electorate is just quieter.
PBS's Frontline produced a documentary called "The Choice" in which the formative years of Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama were examined. Before it was aired, one of the makers of the film was interviewed on, I think, CNN. He was asked to describe, in one word, both men. I can't remember which word he used for Romney, but regarding Obama, he described him as "disappointed." I thought that was very telling. I suspect he really did believe he could unite the country and was disappointed that he could not. The country WANTS to be united. The midterms showed that perhaps we do not. We seem to like our partisan politics, so maybe Bill Maher is spot on after all.
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Since pregnancy can cause many health issues and is a condition that requires dr care, and a trip to the hospital, I see birth control that is used primarily as contraception as a health issue. How could it not be? Take us women who are of child-bearing age who have either CKD or ESRD. Pregnancy is a very big issue for us, and is NOT to be taken lightly. So, does that mean if a woman like me is lucky enough to have a loving relationship, she should have to pay for her contraception *despite* having a comprehensive private health insurance plan because suddenly, some men in congress think her lady parts are political and their business? Seriously???
I was on the pill while on dialysis due to anemia. Dialysis did not make my periods go away, and heparin used during my HD treatments made them heavier. My PCP put me on the pill continuously so that I would have fewer periods and not have to use as much EPO. So, in that case, which is cheaper? Birth control pills or more EPO? Thankfully, I do not work for a Catholic owned business. What a load of crap.
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for tracking how the election results come in. plus in interested you can go back to 1964 on each pres. election. fun to play with at least.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/map/predict.html#states=000000000000000000
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If you think that the horrible atrocities you wrote about somehow negates what is happening in America you are delusional.
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noah, I don't think we're heading that far, but the comments and plans the Republicans are pouring forth are NOT headed in the right direction for women. I always thought the point was - "Lead by example." If we want the atrocities to stop and women to be given equality - or at least we say we do - then how can we be demanding it of them when woman are truly equal here? We're supposed to be the world's leading nation. We need to act in a way that decent people want to follow - and going backwards on woman's rights isn't the right way.
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4 MORE YEARS!
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:bandance; :bandance; :bandance; :bandance; :bandance; :bandance; :bandance; :bandance; :bandance; :bandance; :bandance;
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Thanks for your candid responses to the questions posed for pro-choice candidates to answer. And, SIGH...NO...they have not answered all of them over and over. Give examples where Obama/Biden have done so. BTW, your answers show just how out of touch you are with the mainstream on abortion issues. You make a good surrogate for the far left.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148631/common-state-abortion-restrictions-spark-mixed-reviews.aspx
Obama's avoidiung to answer the question in the video was political speak for support. Too bad he doesn't have the candor you so easily display.
Democratic candidates have answered these questions frequently - the phrase 'over and over' is new to this discussion and up for interpretation AND silly. A politician has only to answer something once and it's on record forever and ever. I could not care less about whether or not I am out of touch with anything or anyone but my own conscience and the sensibilities of those who matter to me, but it would seem to me that the nation has spoken and I am far more in touch with the majority of Americans than you are.
Alveda King's message is on target. Slandering her and saying she is a tool of the republicans is just another lefty tactic at avoiding the issue. Always attacking the messenger. However, it does give me credence to dismiss you and others with such extremist lefty views as nut cases as well.
Alveda King is spouting utter claptrap. White supremacists would like nothing more than to see women of all races lose control of their own bodies by being denied contraception and abortion and being forced to live by someone else's religious doctrine (in a country that used to pride itself on both freedom of religion and separation of church and state). White supremacists are also known to be hideous sexists and would love to see control of reproduction handed back to white men. I love how you both commend my candor and say I am avoiding the issue. Which is it exactly?
Ah, and attacking the messenger? You mean like referring to them as nut cases? What a relief that you're so above this behaviour!
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I was so excited about the elections that I woke up at 3AM to check the polls on Daily Kos. Then I could not get back to sleep, only drifted off for a bit, awoke at 4:30 to see that the race had been called for Obama. :yahoo; :yahoo; :yahoo; :yahoo; :yahoo;
Gwyn and I both voted for Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin because of her record in the House and commitment to issues that matter to us. It was only this morning that we discovered that she will be the first openly gay US Senator in history.
*extremist lefty nut case fail*
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Bill Maher did a whole riff in which he said that people only care about political compromise in theory. I think he may have been on to something there.
The only people who care about political compromise are those on the losing side (no matter which party that happens to be). The mantra of the winner is always "the people have spoken" or "elections have consequences".
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I love the smell of Schadenfreude in the morning. So delicious.
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I love the smell of Schadenfreude in the morning. So delicious.
Isn't it?
Drink it in my extremist lefty nut case comrade!
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I love the smell of Schadenfreude in the morning. So delicious.
Isn't it?
Drink it in my extremist lefty nut case comrade!
I happened to be watching FOX last night when they called Ohio (watching was like eating potato chips, each minute led to another) and got to see Rove go through the five stages of grief live on air. If you haven't seen it you really ought to
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/11/rove-goes-rogue.html (http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/11/rove-goes-rogue.html)
watching it, it felt like there were a thousand fingers tickling me from the inside. Has a billion dollars ever been spent with less effect?
In the end math won.
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The only people who care about political compromise are those on the losing side (no matter which party that happens to be).
That's not true. The Constitution was written based on the concept of political compromise. That's why there is a Senate, a House of Representatives and an Executive.
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The Constitution was written based on the concept of political compromise. That's why there is a Senate, a House of Representatives and an Executive.
That was called the "Connecticut Compromise"! I'll take the liberty to provide a truncated history lesson and I hope you will find it worth a few minutes of your time.
From the very beginning the assembled delegates in Philadelphia had been tasked with fixing or replacing the Articles of Confederation. Two major plans were put forth: the Virginia Plan by James Madison which favored the big states and the New Jersey Plan favoring the smaller states as proposed by the unheralded William Paterson. In a nutshell, the Virginia Plan called for--among other things--scrapping the Articles of Confederation entirely and proposed a bicameral legislature based solely on proportional representation. The New Jersey Plan on the other hand called for a unicameral legislature with one member per state and otherwise keeping the Articles of Confederation with various amendments.
The convention was hopelessly split between these plans-- though Madison's Virginia Plan was slightly favored. Faced with the virtual certainty that his plan was going to be voted down, William Paterson withdrew the New Jersey Plan and resubmitted a new plan that was nothing more than amendments to the Articles of Confederation. This raised a ruckus because by this point the convention had dragged on and on behind closed doors and windows for six weeks and the hot weather had made everyone a bit snippy. The consensus of almost all was to scrap the old Articles and come up with something new and few wanted to start all over again. Paterson's amendments as well as his New Jersey Plan were formally rejected as well as all other attempts to merely amend the Articles of Confederation.
But Madison's Virginia Plan still couldn't get majority support. Thus, the convention was at a total deadlock and ready to fall apart. So as a last ditch effort to save the convention and get something done, a committee consisting of one member from each state was formed. Led by Roger Sherman of Connecticut, this committee came up with the "Connecticut Compromise" which was really not much more than a revision of the Virginia Plan but became the foundation for the final draft of the Constitution. After several more weeks of finagling over the details, North Carolina finally switched sides and adopted the new compromise plan and Massachusetts abstained--so thus the resolution was passed.
With the tentative approval of the delegates in hand, Benjamin Franklin and the "Committee of Detail" (formally chaired by John Rutledge of South Carolina) took the recommendations of Sherman's Committee and other proposals that had already been passed to create the first draft of the Constitution. Even so, the work wasn't done as many arguments ensued over many fine details. The part of the New Jersey Plan that had survived, for example, was the representation by each state by one delegate to the upper house (the Senate). This was changed to include two delegates from each state and also to allow the new Senators to vote independently. (The original compromise plan required each Senator to cast votes only as directed by the Senator's State Legislature as had been done under the Articles of Confederation.) Many, many other details were haggled out and it was more than a month later before a final draft was considered ready and agreed upon.
Ultimately, a Committee of Style and Arrangement led by Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania (who among other things is credited with writing the Preamble) was assigned to assemble the final document and submit it for printing. To the later dismay of many delegates, this committee had slipped in some provisions never even addressed by the general delegates and made other changes without permission. But with the document now in printed form, most of the delegates accepted the new Constitution. However, even so, thirteen delegates left before the signing ceremony and three others with objections stayed but as a show of protest refused to sign. The most famous of these three is George Mason of Virginia who had insisted on a Bill of Individual Rights.
Signed by 39 of the original 55 delegates, the new Constitution was submitted to the States for ratification, with the understanding that a Bill of Rights would be drafted as amendments later. Many of the ratifying States included resolutions in their ratification documents that such ratifications were subject to the inclusion of a Bill of Rights. Virginia especially almost failed to ratify due to George Mason's insistence on a Bill of Rights.
On September 13, 1788 eleven of the thirteen states had ratified the new Constitution. North Carolina and Rhode Island did not ratify it until after the first elections and the formation of the first government. Those two states were not represented in the new Congress until more than one year later (NC) and two years later (RI) when they finally relented and submitted their ratifications. (It should be noted that Rhode Island had not even participated in the Constitutional Convention.)
So to make a final point: the "Connecticut Compromise" wasn't really much of a "compromise" since delegates from the big states managed to take the "compromise" (via the Committee of Detail and the Committee of Style and Arrangement) and tweak it to the point that with minor exceptions it didn't look too much different than Madison's original Virginia Plan. After all was said and done it came down to Virginia and New York. Once those two states ratified the final version it was considered a fait accompli and the dominoes fell.
Compromise can be done, but it's a pretty messy business depending on the political strengths of the various parties involved.
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Congradulations to the Obama camp. It was a pretty close race & I hope we can all come together for the good of the people in this country. Yes Republicans need to reach out, and the Dems too. Lets get some things done and make the USA something to be proud of! We have problems in this country for years now and hopefully President Osama can get it headed in the Right direction.
Again congratulations to The Dems, they won fair & square. Im over it and life goes on! I hope & Pray every one else will get on with the business of getting this country back on its feet.
God Bless you all & God Bless America,
lmunchkin :kickstart;
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Bill Maher did a whole riff in which he said that people only care about political compromise in theory. I think he may have been on to something there.
The only people who care about political compromise are those on the losing side (no matter which party that happens to be). The mantra of the winner is always "the people have spoken" or "elections have consequences".
I don't necessarily agree with this statement, but I don't think the history of the Constitution has anything to do with whether or not this is true. I read this as an observation on human nature, although it turned out to not be what we saw after the 2008 election. For the past four years the losing party members were the ones to say they had no interest in compromise, and their behaviour more than backed up that claim. The worst of them were so embarrassingly proud of their refusal to work with the President. I wonder how proud they felt on November 7. :rofl;
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It's all about geography.
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That's kind of sad, Zach, that's it's been so long and we've come so short a distance.
A family in my area, inspired by Clint Eastwood's conversation with an empty chair, covered their front yard in "Take back our county" signs - and hung an empty chair from a tree with a thick rope. They refused to take it down, replaced it when it was cut down, ignored the uproar caused by the parents with children in the elementary school across the street and plenty of their neighbors, and insisted they were making a political statement, not a racist one.
Yeah, right.
Late on election night, someone nailed all four feet of a plastic lawn chair to their driveway. It had "FOUR MORE YEARS" painted on it (along with "racist pig" and some other things I'm guessing the local paper can't print). I'm not one to encourage vandalism, but I do love the symbolism!
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That's kind of sad, Zach, that's it's been so long and we've come so short a distance.
A family in my area, inspired by Clint Eastwood's conversation with an empty chair, covered their front yard in "Take back our county" signs - and hung an empty chair from a tree with a thick rope. They refused to take it down, replaced it when it was cut down, ignored the uproar caused by the parents with children in the elementary school across the street and plenty of their neighbors, and insisted they were making a political statement, not a racist one.
Yeah, right.
Late on election night, someone nailed all four feet of a plastic lawn chair to their driveway. It had "FOUR MORE YEARS" painted on it (along with "racist pig" and some other things I'm guessing the local paper can't print). I'm not one to encourage vandalism, but I do love the symbolism!
The election is over, you won and elections matter according to Obama. Fair enough, you folks now own all of the problems here in America. It has never been about racism, just pure economics folks. Good luck folks, I will catch up to you in about a year or so to see how hope and change is going forward. The proof is in the pudding, it is now your pudding, your at bat, your ball game. If you are going to continue the false racism accusations over and over again, pray tell when will you put forth a real game plan to avoid economic ruin looming over this nation.
Once again, elections matter and you are in control. What will you do with your new mandate? If all you have to offer is more false allegations of racism, then I seriously doubt America will move forward. Like I said, good luck folks, we truly have entered a brave new world.
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Oh, no they are not done blaming Bush for all the problems. 4 more years of blaming Bush.
And.... I meant "the other" best man! Shit!
Same Sex aka SS marriage passed in my state. I wish WA would split and the west side fall into the ocean!
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The election is over, you won and elections matter according to Obama. Fair enough, you folks now own all of the problems here in America. It has never been about racism, just pure economics folks. Good luck folks, I will catch up to you in about a year or so to see how hope and change is going forward. The proof is in the pudding, it is now your pudding, your at bat, your ball game. If you are going to continue the false racism accusations over and over again, pray tell when will you put forth a real game plan to avoid economic ruin looming over this nation.
Once again, elections matter and you are in control. What will you do with your new mandate? If all you have to offer is more false allegations of racism, then I seriously doubt America will move forward. Like I said, good luck folks, we truly have entered a brave new world.
We will ALL win if our Congress will stop thinking in terms of "us" and "them". This is about all of us, and I personally do not see anything wrong with a balanced approach to tackle the debt by curbing spending AND increasing revenue. Isn't this what businesses do all the time? Don't all businesses look for ways to cut costs and increase revenues in times of financial difficulty?
Mitch McConnell is a traitor for what he said about his highest priority being making Mr. Obama a one term president. How can we avoid financial ruin if any group in Congress, whether it be Democratic or Republican, refuses to work with any other group and tarts it up as being somehow stalwart and "true to our values"?
I hope we HAVE entered a brave new world, one of doing what is necessary to work together to come up with solutions. Fortunately, the economy IS improving as shown by current data. Yes, there are too many people unemployed, and our economy isn't growing as fast as anyone would like, so now is the time to stop all of this Mitch McConnell-type treachery so that our congresspeople can find some solutions.
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The Republican party has *a lot* of soul searching to do now for the next few years. I doubt it's going to happen. I fully expect another obstructionist House and Republicans in the Senate filibustering everything just because. It's a shame, because until the party exorcises its demons, we'll never have a real conservative party anyone can take seriously. We need liberals who will push this country forward and we need real conservatives to counter-balance that and force any progress to first prove its merit.
There is a legitimate, serious discussion to be had about whether we want a more progressive or a more regressive tax system. That's a perfectly reasonable discussion to have. Unfortunately, we can't even get to that point because one side believes the president wasn't born in America, he's socialist/communist/fascist, climate change isn't real, evolution isn't real, the Bible is literal history, etc, etc, etc.
The real conservatives have a golden opportunity now to ditch the fringe elements and take back their party. I wish them well, but I won't hold my breath.
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The real conservatives have a golden opportunity now to ditch the fringe elements and take back their party. I wish them well, but I won't hold my breath.
I think if the REAL Mitch Romney had been able to run in the election, he'd have won. You know, the Romney who was governor, who passed a health care act that insisted everyone get insurance coverage, who passed a whole lot of sensible, moderate policies. But in order to get into the election, he had to win the primary, and to do that, he had to lean so far to the right, he couldn't get back close enough to the middle to get elected.
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MooseMom, what do you do for a living?, You should run for President of the United States, I would surely vote for you. The world could use your input in a variety of ways. Smile.
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MooseMom, what do you do for a living?, You should run for President of the United States, I would surely vote for you. The world could use your input in a variety of ways. Smile.
Yah? Well I'd cancel your vote. :cheer:
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@Jbeany, I think you are right that the republican primaries did Governor Romney no favors. I'm sure there are moderate Republicans out there who will be viable candidates in 2016. Sometimes a fever just has to run its course.
@Wat76, I'm not sure anyone with CKD would be elected as President! Can you imagine all of the wiseass comments on twitter about a candidate's failed kidneys? I shudder to think!
@Rerun, LOL! That's democracy! :2thumbsup;
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@Wat76, I'm not sure anyone with CKD would be elected as President! Can you imagine all of the wiseass comments on twitter about a candidate's failed kidneys? I shudder to think!
:rofl; :rofl; :rofl; So true. lol
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"Weak on kidneys, weak on America."
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"CKD? Not For Me!"
"Failed Kidneys, Failed Policies"
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This one cracked me up. :D
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The election is over, you won and elections matter according to Obama. Fair enough, you folks now own all of the problems here in America. It has never been about racism, just pure economics folks. Good luck folks, I will catch up to you in about a year or so to see how hope and change is going forward. The proof is in the pudding, it is now your pudding, your at bat, your ball game. If you are going to continue the false racism accusations over and over again, pray tell when will you put forth a real game plan to avoid economic ruin looming over this nation.
Once again, elections matter and you are in control. What will you do with your new mandate? If all you have to offer is more false allegations of racism, then I seriously doubt America will move forward. Like I said, good luck folks, we truly have entered a brave new world.
We will ALL win if our Congress will stop thinking in terms of "us" and "them". This is about all of us, and I personally do not see anything wrong with a balanced approach to tackle the debt by curbing spending AND increasing revenue. Isn't this what businesses do all the time? Don't all businesses look for ways to cut costs and increase revenues in times of financial difficulty?
Mitch McConnell is a traitor for what he said about his highest priority being making Mr. Obama a one term president. How can we avoid financial ruin if any group in Congress, whether it be Democratic or Republican, refuses to work with any other group and tarts it up as being somehow stalwart and "true to our values"?
I hope we HAVE entered a brave new world, one of doing what is necessary to work together to come up with solutions. Fortunately, the economy IS improving as shown by current data. Yes, there are too many people unemployed, and our economy isn't growing as fast as anyone would like, so now is the time to stop all of this Mitch McConnell-type treachery so that our congresspeople can find some solutions.
The election is over, you won and elections matter according to Obama. Fair enough, you folks now own all of the problems here in America. It has never been about racism, just pure economics folks. Good luck folks, I will catch up to you in about a year or so to see how hope and change is going forward. The proof is in the pudding, it is now your pudding, your at bat, your ball game. If you are going to continue the false racism accusations over and over again, pray tell when will you put forth a real game plan to avoid economic ruin looming over this nation.
Once again, elections matter and you are in control. What will you do with your new mandate? If all you have to offer is more false allegations of racism, then I seriously doubt America will move forward. Like I said, good luck folks, we truly have entered a brave new world.
We will ALL win if our Congress will stop thinking in terms of "us" and "them". This is about all of us, and I personally do not see anything wrong with a balanced approach to tackle the debt by curbing spending AND increasing revenue. Isn't this what businesses do all the time? Don't all businesses look for ways to cut costs and increase revenues in times of financial difficulty?
Mitch McConnell is a traitor for what he said about his highest priority being making Mr. Obama a one term president. How can we avoid financial ruin if any group in Congress, whether it be Democratic or Republican, refuses to work with any other group and tarts it up as being somehow stalwart and "true to our values"?
I hope we HAVE entered a brave new world, one of doing what is necessary to work together to come up with solutions. Fortunately, the economy IS improving as shown by current data. Yes, there are too many people unemployed, and our economy isn't growing as fast as anyone would like, so now is the time to stop all of this Mitch McConnell-type treachery so that our congresspeople can find some solutions.
Dear Moosemom,
Mitch is NOT a traitor by declaring his opposition to a left wing ideologue named Obama. That is exercising his rights of free speech and engaging in political discourse. If you disagree with Mitch, vote him out of office, but please spare us a false accusation of being a traitor. It is called the opposition party for a reason. In fact, the founding fathers put into place competing realms of power.
Elections matter as Obama has once again reminded us. Great, go to and put your best shots forward and heal this economy with liberal philosophy. Why are you focussed on the GOP, you folks are in control in the Senate, Mitch has very little power what so ever, you gained two more senate seats.
The ball is in your court. The GOP is once again rejected, so please, go and solve the problems that you have asked to solve. It is one thing to be a sore looser, but shucks, it is getting old hearing once again a sore winner whining about the fact that they are not a complete dictatorship. Moosemom, with all due respect, your comments are way out of line.
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mooseMom, I agree with your assessment. You are on point. Way to go. Well written.
Hemodoc,, "You Folks" sound out of line.
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Okay, debate is not my thing (political or otherwise) which is why you don't see me in threads of this nature. My thought process just isn't as sharp and quick as the others that engage in the conversation. that said, my brain must be extra fuzzy this morning, because when I read "you people" I thought Hemodoc was referring to democrats/liberals/whoever voted for President Obama. Did I miss something? (Not trying to start another round, just honestly puzzled.) :waiting;
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I think "you people" means conservatives who are pro life, pro marriage between one man and one woman, pro not legalizing pot.... etc... you know the "bad people."
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Hemodoc, there is a time and a place for everything. Mitch McConnell is free to say whatever he likes, and I for one am happy that he made his desire to make our president a one-termer because we can now all see where his priorities are, which is NOT to bring this country together. People are free to express their opposition to the President's policies, but calling him a "left wing ideologue" is simply not factually true, much to the chagrin of those who reallly ARE left wing ideologues! Just because Mr. McConnell had a goal of unseating the President after four years, he showed extremely poor judgment in making those sentiments public. Those words should have been said behind closed doors.
I am quite hopeful, however, that Speaker Boehner will be willing to accept the olive branch that the president has extended. The Speaker has been in a very difficult position over the past two years, and I am hoping one consequence of this election will be that he is reminded that Americans want to see a stop to the bickering. I think Speaker Boehner and the President can do business. I don't, however, have the same hope for Mitch McConnell. I think that as a person, he is intransigent and closeminded and a poor representative of the traditional GOP. You can tart up his treachery as "free speech" if you like, but his speaking freely has not endeared him to anyone of any consequence. Fortunately, he is in the Democratic controlled Senate, so hopefully he can just go on being hot air and not much else.
Rerun, Hemodoc is the only one around here using "you people" or "you folks". No one but you has characterized anyone here as "bad". I don't think anyone here is "anti-life" or "anti-marriage", and I certainly don't get the impression that anyone thinks the more religious and/or conservative members on this board are bad people. As for legalizing pot, I have no opinion on that because frankly, I don't see the appeal, but then again, a half glass of wine is pretty much my limit. Alcohol is much more damaging than marijuana. I think it might be an idea for the feds to legalize pot, regulate it and then tax the hell out of like they do with booze and cigarettes. Talk about a great revenue stream! In the UK, they call it the "sin tax".
Hemodoc, I am disappointed that you keep referring to half of voting Americans as "you folks". Your comments perfectly illustrate the unwavering divisiveness that too many Americans display. If you want to take your disappointment and go hide yourself away, you are free to do so, but I would hope that your love of country would prevent you from doing that and would, instead, keep you engaged. To just take your ball and go home seems rather immature.
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Hemodoc, there is a time and a place for everything. Mitch McConnell is free to say whatever he likes, and I for one am happy that he made his desire to make our president a one-termer because we can now all see where his priorities are, which is NOT to bring this country together. People are free to express their opposition to the President's policies, but calling him a "left wing ideologue" is simply not factually true, much to the chagrin of those who reallly ARE left wing ideologues! Just because Mr. McConnell had a goal of unseating the President after four years, he showed extremely poor judgment in making those sentiments public. Those words should have been said behind closed doors.
I am quite hopeful, however, that Speaker Boehner will be willing to accept the olive branch that the president has extended. The Speaker has been in a very difficult position over the past two years, and I am hoping one consequence of this election will be that he is reminded that Americans want to see a stop to the bickering. I think Speaker Boehner and the President can do business. I don't, however, have the same hope for Mitch McConnell. I think that as a person, he is intransigent and closeminded and a poor representative of the traditional GOP. You can tart up his treachery as "free speech" if you like, but his speaking freely has not endeared him to anyone of any consequence. Fortunately, he is in the Democratic controlled Senate, so hopefully he can just go on being hot air and not much else.
Rerun, Hemodoc is the only one around here using "you people" or "you folks". No one but you has characterized anyone here as "bad". I don't think anyone here is "anti-life" or "anti-marriage", and I certainly don't get the impression that anyone thinks the more religious and/or conservative members on this board are bad people. As for legalizing pot, I have no opinion on that because frankly, I don't see the appeal, but then again, a half glass of wine is pretty much my limit. Alcohol is much more damaging than marijuana. I think it might be an idea for the feds to legalize pot, regulate it and then tax the hell out of like they do with booze and cigarettes. Talk about a great revenue stream! In the UK, they call it the "sin tax".
Hemodoc, I am disappointed that you keep referring to half of voting Americans as "you folks". Your comments perfectly illustrate the unwavering divisiveness that too many Americans display. If you want to take your disappointment and go hide yourself away, you are free to do so, but I would hope that your love of country would prevent you from doing that and would, instead, keep you engaged. To just take your ball and go home seems rather immature.
Dear Moosemom,
You folks that supported and voted for Obama are now just as responsible for his policies as he is. There is a great ideological divide in this nation that will not go away. I have not taken my ball and gone and away, you folks have taken the ball and brought it home completely rejecting sound economic principles in the process. The 51% of you folks who put Obama back in office now own the outcomes of Obamacare and his fiscal policies he will enact over the next four years.
The Supreme court has spoken, the electorate has spoken. I don't have a ball any longer in this game Moosemom. You own it so stop being sore winners. Go enact your wonderful plans and do all the things you say you will do.
As far as the so called olive branch Obama allegedly offered to the GOP house, he said nothing new at all. He stated the same things for over two years. No deal without tax increases. The GOP obviously will have no choice but to compromise since being blamed for the financial cliff would be a fatal event for the GOP. However, just because Obama was re-elected, your assumption that the GOP should bow down and accept whatever he wants rubber stamping his agenda is foolish to say the least. You folks don't want to accept our agenda, in what manner do you believe that the GOP should simply throw the towel in and accept irresponsible and reckless fiscal programs.
Sadly, there is no good solution for this. Obama does not have a mandate, he won by a narrow margin in the popular vote. Once again, the fact that America has rejected sound fiscal policies does not anger me, it saddens me to understand what is coming down the road such as more and more regulations like the one that cost me $270.00 last night to put on my snow tires. Welcome to the new world folks, you have asked for it, now it is upon us. Good luck to all, we will need it.
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I thought Wat76 said "you fokes" Maybe I misunderstood the context.
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The news says Republicans didn't get out and vote. I think lots of people could not vote for a Morman and I was right there but not voting is a vote for Obama. And we lost.
Peter as usual you are right on. Lots of people are saying the same thing. Not on this forum.... but other people.
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Peter can you listen to the description of Romney's reaction to losing (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/08/how-romney-got-out-organized-by-obama/) - there were fireworks planned (http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/11/08/mitt-romney-planned-boston-harbor-fireworks-show-that-was-scotched-election-loss/qmgtVKPq4zNnDyb9FbLWeJ/story.html) for Boston Harbor Tuesday night - that he was shocked that he lost (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/), that he had no idea that his loss was going to happen, and conclude that he would have been a good president? Isn't his inability to see what is front of him, his decision to surround himself with people who could not or would not give information to him straight, a clear signal that he was not up for the job of President of the United States? The proof of the pudding is in the eating; Romney made some terrible pudding judging by the looks on the face of Republican puddin' eaters.
I, for one welcome, the President's policies. People with CKD, most particularly people who use dialysis, will benefit from Obamacare. Our society will benefit. The disconnect between the Republican Party and the American people isn't due to a poorly turned phrase or a campaign ad. The problem is that the American middle class knows that our current health insurance system is a disgrace. It is a problem that had to be fixed, and at long last the country has a solution. Of course we want the President's policies to go forward, the President won because his policies will benefit the country. The Republicans lost because their Party is toxic. Fewer people voted Republican because millions of former Republican voters don't want to be associated with today's Republican party. The Republicans in the House are today's Republican party and the American people rejected their cynical zero sum posturing.
After Obama's successful second term I am looking forward to eight years under President Clinton.
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Hemodoc...please stop complaining about your tires. If you have not learned how to change a tire by this age well then you have to pay someone to do it. You said it was a simple rotation which means that the tires were already mounted and just needed to be switched out. The tire shop saw you coming from a mile away.
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Hemodoc...please stop complaining about your tires. If you have not learned how to change a tire by this age well then you have to pay someone to do it. You said it was a simple rotation which means that the tires were already mounted and just needed to be switched out. The tire shop saw you coming from a mile away.
Hey YL, I know exactly how to do these things and did them for years. If it were not for the fact I didn't have the time to do it yesterday and get my dialysis done, then yes, I would have done it myself. Thankfully, I can afford whatever Obama throws my way but many will not be able to. Say what you wish. Have a nice day YL, always good to hear from you. :shy; :bandance; :secret;
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Peter can you listen to the description of Romney's reaction to losing (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/08/how-romney-got-out-organized-by-obama/) - there were fireworks planned (http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/11/08/mitt-romney-planned-boston-harbor-fireworks-show-that-was-scotched-election-loss/qmgtVKPq4zNnDyb9FbLWeJ/story.html) for Boston Harbor Tuesday night - that he was shocked that he lost (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/), that he had no idea that his loss was going to happen, and conclude that he would have been a good president? Isn't his inability to see what is front of him, his decision to surround himself with people who could not or would not give information to him straight, a clear signal that he was not up for the job of President of the United States? The proof of the pudding is in the eating; Romney made some terrible pudding judging by the looks on the face of Republican puddin' eaters.
I, for one welcome, the President's policies. People with CKD, most particularly people who use dialysis, will benefit from Obamacare. Our society will benefit. The disconnect between the Republican Party and the American people isn't due to a poorly turned phrase or a campaign ad. The problem is that the American middle class knows that our current health insurance system is a disgrace. It is a problem that had to be fixed, and at long last the country has a solution. Of course we want the President's policies to go forward, the President won because his policies will benefit the country. The Republicans lost because their Party is toxic. Fewer people voted Republican because millions of former Republican voters don't want to be associated with today's Republican party. The Republicans in the House are today's Republican party and the American people rejected their cynical zero sum posturing.
After Obama's successful second term I am looking forward to eight years under President Clinton.
Good luck Bill, I hope we don't run into each in the food stamp or unemployment line.
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Hemodoc...please stop complaining about your tires. If you have not learned how to change a tire by this age well then you have to pay someone to do it. You said it was a simple rotation which means that the tires were already mounted and just needed to be switched out. The tire shop saw you coming from a mile away.
Marc, Gwyn said exactly the same thing when I read him the tire bit. Gwyn's exact words were "He was taken."
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Rerun, I was saying it sounds so negative when hemadoc refer to Obama supporters as "You Folks". It is as if he is Trying to insult. It is OK to agree or disagree. America made their decision and the bottom line is that President has 4 more years to run this country as he sees fit. If there are some who don't like it, get over it, again America has spoken. the world is changing, in with the new ands out with the Old. Truth be told our younger generation can't be fooled into thinking that the old views that use to run this country is valid today. Look at the stats, our young generations want change, young and old females want change, all races. The majority who voted for Mitt was older males and married older couples who's vote was not enough. I truly wish that both parties would come together and support The American People. Stop creating problems and create solutions that All can benefit. the older generations need to open their minds to change, but if they choose not too, it still does not matter because as this election has shown, you are outnumbered, again, America spoke loud and clear.
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We got our first snow on November 8 and the lines were so long at Les Schawb that my brother came and switched out my summer tires for studs. So, I don't know of the new regulation. Les Schawb usually does it for free because I buy my tires there for a pretty good price for sure. But, I had to stand out in the garage and freeze instead of in a nice warm tire shop with free popcorn and coffee. I don't blame you Peter. Have someone else do it. Too bad you didn't know up front so you could have made your decision.
Unless you have a shop like my dad did you can't just buy tires at Costco and spin and balance them yourself. You can check tire pressures yourself. It should not be some government regulation.
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Rerun, I was saying it sounds so negative when hemadoc refer to Obama supporters as "You Folks". It is as if he is Trying to insult. It is OK to agree or disagree. America made their decision and the bottom line is that President has 4 more years to run this country as he sees fit. If there are some who don't like it, get over it, again America has spoken. the world is changing, in with the new ands out with the Old. Truth be told our younger generation can't be fooled into thinking that the old views that use to run this country is valid today. Look at the stats, our young generations want change, young and old females want change, all races. The majority who voted for Mitt was older white males who's vote was not enough. I truly wish that both parties would come together and support The American People. Stop creating problems and create solutions that All can benefit. the older generations need to open their minds to change, but if they choose not too, it still does not matter because as this election has shown, you are outnumbered, again, America spoke loud and clear.
It wasn't loud and clear! Look at all the red states. America is pretty much divided. We didn't get every vote only the ones that took time to go vote. I know several people who wanted Romney but aren't even registered. Idiots! Some people are happy with a roof over their head and food and some heat. Wait until that is taken away like in Syria and see what happens when people become desperate. Look at the East Coast. Those people are desperate. We will see how they vote once they are finally dry and warm again. (2016)
Like Peter says... go for it for the next 4 years and stop blaming Bush. Just do it. If in 4 years the debt is down and I still have a roof over my head I may say "good job". But, I don't think I'll stand down to immoral thinking.
Isn't saying old white males kind of racist? I think it is. I would never say Old Black Males without thinking it would offend someone.
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I Voted for President Obama because of his views and not because of his race. I have retired from one job and getting ready to retire from a second job by choice. I am financially secure and don't need handouts, and for those that do need a little help whether it is food stamps, medical or whatever, I am so thankful there is help out there for those in need. The rich has benefited long enough and it is time for the less fortunate to get some much needed help. Mitt said himself that he didn't care about 47% of the American people. Guess what, that 47% prevented him fro winning. That 47% showed him what they thought of him and sent him back to Boston. No matter how many points was between the two candidates, the best man won. Get over it.
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Rerun, I was saying it sounds so negative when hemadoc refer to Obama supporters as "You Folks". It is as if he is Trying to insult. It is OK to agree or disagree. America made their decision and the bottom line is that President has 4 more years to run this country as he sees fit. If there are some who don't like it, get over it, again America has spoken. the world is changing, in with the new ands out with the Old. Truth be told our younger generation can't be fooled into thinking that the old views that use to run this country is valid today. Look at the stats, our young generations want change, young and old females want change, all races. The majority who voted for Mitt was older white males who's vote was not enough. I truly wish that both parties would come together and support The American People. Stop creating problems and create solutions that All can benefit. the older generations need to open their minds to change, but if they choose not too, it still does not matter because as this election has shown, you are outnumbered, again, America spoke loud and clear.
It wasn't loud and clear! Look at all the red states. America is pretty much divided. We didn't get every vote only the ones that took time to go vote. I know several people who wanted Romney but aren't even registered. Idiots! Some people are happy with a roof over their head and food and some heat. Wait until that is taken away like in Syria and see what happens when people become desperate. Look at the East Coast. Those people are desperate. We will see how they vote once they are finally dry and warm again. (2016)
Like Peter says... go for it for the next 4 years and stop blaming Bush. Just do it. If in 4 years the debt is down and I still have a roof over my head I may say "good job". But, I don't think I'll stand down to immoral thinking.
Isn't saying old white males kind of racist? I think it is. I would never say Old Black Males without thinking it would offend someone.
Rerun, I am not a racist and I am repeating the stats, I will change my wording to say the majority that voted for Mitt according to the exit polls were older men and older married women. Same ending. I would never try to offend anyone and you will have a roof over your head in 2016 only because Mitt will not get a chance to make the world suffer and the rich get richer. People can eat even if is with food stamps, people who could not get medical will be able to do so. The middle class has suffered for a long Time and it is about time we get a much needed break. I pay over$20,000 in taxes a year and don't get a refund, darn, since the rich has to pay more taxes now, heck maybe I can reap some benefits. The middle class has been hit hard over the years, We the middle class need a break. mitt was not giving us a break, he just wanted to make the rich richer, but his scheme did not work.
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That sounds better to my conservative heart. Thank you~
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That sounds better to my conservative heart. Thank you~
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You are so welcome, I would never offend anyone.
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Rerun, I was saying it sounds so negative when hemadoc refer to Obama supporters as "You Folks". It is as if he is Trying to insult. It is OK to agree or disagree. America made their decision and the bottom line is that President has 4 more years to run this country as he sees fit. If there are some who don't like it, get over it, again America has spoken. the world is changing, in with the new ands out with the Old. Truth be told our younger generation can't be fooled into thinking that the old views that use to run this country is valid today. Look at the stats, our young generations want change, young and old females want change, all races. The majority who voted for Mitt was older males and married older couples who's vote was not enough. I truly wish that both parties would come together and support The American People. Stop creating problems and create solutions that All can benefit. the older generations need to open their minds to change, but if they choose not too, it still does not matter because as this election has shown, you are outnumbered, again, America spoke loud and clear.
And you forgot bible thumpers, and the holy rollers, and the military unless they didnt get their absentee ballot.
Lisa
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Lisa, Military Officers spoke for Mitt, Military Enlisted spoke up for Obama. The officers don't have to suffer like us enlisted folks. The enlisted military stepped up., thank God there are more enlisted than officers. I can't speak of how many religious folks stepped up, I try to stay way from religion since so many people re sensitive.
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We got our first snow on November 8 and the lines were so long at Les Schawb that my brother came and switched out my summer tires for studs. So, I don't know of the new regulation. Les Schawb usually does it for free because I buy my tires there for a pretty good price for sure. But, I had to stand out in the garage and freeze instead of in a nice warm tire shop with free popcorn and coffee. I don't blame you Peter. Have someone else do it. Too bad you didn't know up front so you could have made your decision.
Unless you have a shop like my dad did you can't just buy tires at Costco and spin and balance them yourself. You can check tire pressures yourself. It should not be some government regulation.
Rerun, as I explained in the other thread, this is not a new regulation (enacted under Clinton, refined and rolled out under none other than Bush) and does not force the consumer to buy anything. The regulation is 12 years old and has nothing to do with Obama.
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Rerun, I was saying it sounds so negative when hemadoc refer to Obama supporters as "You Folks". It is as if he is Trying to insult. It is OK to agree or disagree. America made their decision and the bottom line is that President has 4 more years to run this country as he sees fit. If there are some who don't like it, get over it, again America has spoken. the world is changing, in with the new ands out with the Old. Truth be told our younger generation can't be fooled into thinking that the old views that use to run this country is valid today. Look at the stats, our young generations want change, young and old females want change, all races. The majority who voted for Mitt was older males and married older couples who's vote was not enough. I truly wish that both parties would come together and support The American People. Stop creating problems and create solutions that All can benefit. the older generations need to open their minds to change, but if they choose not too, it still does not matter because as this election has shown, you are outnumbered, again, America spoke loud and clear.
Dear Wat,
If you folks that voted for Obama want the GOP to relinquish standards and just go along to get along, us old folks as you call us may simply understand that we shall all stand before God and give account of everything we have done in our bodies whether good or bad. If that seems old fashioned and out of step with the rest of the world so be it. Here it may be out of place, but in the world to come my friend, God does not change. Thank you for your advice to just give up our standards and morals, but no thanks, especially for political expediency.
Jesus lived in a despotic dictatorship that had conquered his nation. He did not go out and protest corrupt governments and neither shall I. You folks won the election, go rule and get on with it, I am already resolved of the truth of the BIble that all of these things shall come to pass as written thousands of years ago.
Politics and the shifting winds of public opinion are not where I gain my own moral compass. If that is what you folks that voted for Obama recommend we go, then shucks, you can have control of this country. You won the election, you may or may not win future elections. How quickly you forget what happened in 2004. But placing my own moral compass in the shifting winds of public opinion is not a virtue at all my friend. If we have to suffer under what we consider oppressive regimes, so be it, bring it on. That won't bother me in the least since politics is not my god nor my provider. God alone is my refuge and my provider. Hopefully you may learn that in the future but just going along to get along won't get you there my friend. Good luck if that is your philosophy of life. You may end up traveling a road you really didn't want to go to.
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After Obama's successful second term I am looking forward to eight years under President Clinton.
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Oh, my! I can't help but picture the uncontrolled GOP fury that would follow a Hillary Clinton election. It will make what we're seeing from conservatives today look like a model of good sportsmanship.
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After Obama's successful second term I am looking forward to eight years under President Clinton.
:rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
Oh, my! I can't help but picture the uncontrolled GOP fury that would follow a Hillary Clinton election. It will make what we're seeing from conservatives today look like a model of good sportsmanship.
The way this nation is digressing, that is not outside of the realm of possibilities. In any case, you folks won the election, go rule and enjoy your hour.
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I voted for Johnson. I didn't like Obama or Romney.