Presumed consent debate.

[GuyIncognito]

Over the past couple weeks I have been giving allot of thought to the whole Presumed consent debate and I was hoping we might generate some chatter on the subject, get a bit of a gauge on where everyone stands on the issue.

To make this easy why don't we make it a multiple choice question... Which system do you personally agree with and the reason behind it?

1) Presumed Consent- everyone would automatically be an organ donor when they die unless they had specifically opted out.
2) Proposed law requiring people to declare their wishes when they renew their driver's licence.
3) Removal of Family Consent - The family still retains the right to make a final decision on allowing the organs to be donated whether the deceased had registered or not.

[glitter]

I choose number 1.

I think more people are willing to donate then do because of laziness. If you are not directly in the line of need, maybe you just don't think about it, and of course you want to help other people after you die. Who wouldn't? and for the people who don't want to- they still have a choice. I would bet not that many people would choose to opt out though.

[ODAT]

#2 because so many people have different religious beliefs that would get in the way. At least this way, you would have to say yes or no and not just leave it hanging. But, there should be a way for ONLY the person (not family member) to override this if along the way since they answered this question they say met a great group of people like those here and they changed their mind!

My nephew was 8 yo when he was killed. My brother and his wife had his organs donated because they said he was such a giving person he would have wanted to.

[Joe Paul]

#1. If a person KNOWS their organs will be donated if they DO NOT opt out for any reason, then so be it. And I too think that person should have the only say in what is done with their organs.

[Ang]

i'm  gonna  be  greedy  and  take  both  numbers  1  and  2.
number 1  alleviates  this  laziness  thing,  you  are  pressured  in to  opting  out,  for  your own  personal  beliefs
number  2  alleviates  the  laziness  thing  from  the  oppposite  side,renew  your  licence,say  yes  or  no,the  other  option  is  you  don't  get a  new  licence,sounds  pretty  simple  to  me

[BigSky]

More towards #1.

It doesnt seem people are against organ donation, its just taking time out of their day to get it done.  With busy schedules that seems the last thing on their mind to get done. 

[charee]

I go for number 1, We need that law passed here desperately, if your to lazy to op out if its not your wishes tough luck

[kitkatz]

I lean towards number one.  I think people should donate their organs.

[George Jung]

#1  People with the religious beliefs or would rather not donate will find the time to opt out.

[angela515]

#1

[Rerun]

Let's do a poll next time. 

Anyway I am an avid Presumed consent advocate.  Just "get'er done".

[boxman55]

#1...Boxman

[waitlisted]

#1

[ODAT]

#1  People with the religious beliefs or would rather not donate will find the time to opt out.

I agree with that!

[GuyIncognito]

As a person who would directly benefit from Presumed consent I'd choose #1 - anyone who is in our situation or knows someone waiting on a transplant would tell you it all comes down to saving lives.

  I could go on and on here listings reasons for P.C., however I think we can all agree on most of these points... Most major religions support organ donation, Families decline organ donation due to of a lack of knowledge and or grief & most people do not sign there donor card out of laziness or ignorance in regards to the donation process. So in addition to presumed consent a information campaign must be launched so individuals and families can make informed decision when it comes to organ donation.

 As a humanist I know it is my duty to sign my donor card, we believe that we only have one life and that we should make the best of it; living happy and fulfilled lives and helping others to do so. But clearly this doesn’t need to stop when we do. Organ and Tissue donation are an important example of how scientific developments can directly improve and even save thousands of people’s lives every year.

[Red from Canada]

The problem also is the doctors and OR room to do organ recovery.  Here in Canada, a lot of organs go to waste for lack of staff to ask and staff to do the retrieval.

[BigSky]

As a humanist I know it is my duty to sign my donor card,

Which kinda brings up....

While the attention is about others signing their donor cards,  how many here have signed their donor card?

[MooseMom]

Number one.  They do it this way in other countries...if they can do it, surely Americans can, too.

[Joe Paul]

As a humanist I know it is my duty to sign my donor card,

Which kinda brings up....

While the attention is about others signing their donor cards,  how many here have signed their donor card?

Long time ago for me.

[stauffenberg]

Not only do I support presumed consent with an opt-out provision for people who choose to place their rationally indefensible superstitions ahead of other people's right to live, but I would also cancel the present legal capacity of the relatives of the deceased to override the wish of the deceased to donate. 

This legal entitlement dates from the days when grave-robbing was the only way to maintain the supply of corpses for anatomical instruction in medical schools.  The problem was that grave-robbers could not be prosecuted, since by law corpses were 'res nullius,' things belonging to no one, so there could be no criminal violation of anyone's rights by stealing them, just as today you can steal someone's rubbish they put out on the street for collection and not be prosecutable for theft.  To get around these difficulties, English law decided to invent the legal fiction that the corpse belonged to the next of kin, so that taking the corpse could be deemed the crime of theft committed against the relatives, and this is the reason why, two hundred years later, some dialysis patients have to die because posthumous organ donations are cancelled by the donor's relatives.  There are many idiotic reasons for killing people, but this has got to be one of the stupidest.

[angela515]

As a humanist I know it is my duty to sign my donor card,

Which kinda brings up....

While the attention is about others signing their donor cards,  how many here have signed their donor card?

I am not allowed to donate anything...

[paddbear0000]

I definitely vote for #1.

As a humanist I know it is my duty to sign my donor card,

Which kinda brings up....

While the attention is about others signing their donor cards,  how many here have signed their donor card?

I am not allowed to donate anything...

I'm not either. 

[BigSky]

As a humanist I know it is my duty to sign my donor card,

Which kinda brings up....

While the attention is about others signing their donor cards,  how many here have signed their donor card?

Long time ago for me.

Mine is signed also.

[Chris]

This post makes me wonder what my states stance/law is now. I remember reading that some states have passed new laws regarding organ donation, but I haven't seen it in the paper.
Since I already had my transplant, I am not allowed to donate or give blood. I vote for #1, but do not want my naked ass on some schools biology table either or for use with scientific study. I think there should be some sort of choice for organ donation, one for transplantation and the other for scientific study.

[donnia]

Why can't yall donate?

If you are post transplant can you not donate?

I signed my donor card a LOOOOONNNNGGGG time ago!    I have made it perfectly clear that I want anything and everything donated...  I  wouldn't even mind my naked ass on some schools biology table (LOL  I loved that line Chris).  I would be proud if I was used for scientific study.  Anything and everything.... that is what my family must remember!

Oh... BTW... I pick #1