DRINKING WATER FOR KIDNEY PATIENTS--YES IT MATTERS

[obsidianom]

I dont know how this thread eneded up here with politics.  I try to avoid that whole area .  I am here to discuss dialysis and realated issues only.
I am quite happy with my zero water system. I used an electonic tester and it did indeed come back with 0 parts per million of anything.  It astes great too.
WE are tseting aluminum this week and will be interested to see if it drops. That is the only thing we changed.

[Hemodoc]

I changed only one thing as well. I went from PureFLow to Bags the first part of July after my Levels came back at 17 from 14 during the recalled products. It dropped to 13 in August and I just got this months lab back at 8.  We are heading the right direction away from the PureFlow.

[kristina]

I dont know how this thread eneded up here with politics.  I try to avoid that whole area .  I am here to discuss dialysis and realated issues only.
I am quite happy with my zero water system. I used an electonic tester and it did indeed come back with 0 parts per million of anything.  It astes great too.
WE are tseting aluminum this week and will be interested to see if it drops. That is the only thing we changed.

Sorry obsidianom, but unfortunately politics cannot be avoided as often as we all would like to avoid it...
... not even on a dialysis forum like IHD... because - over the years - we have come into contact with some unfortunate dialysis users
who - for political reasons - were unable to receive the adequate dialysis treatment they so desperately needed ...
and therefore ... in an effort to receive adequate dialysis treatment, they needed to settle in another country...

[PrimeTimer]

I don't know if they carry it in the store but I saw that Walmart also sells the Zero Water System. Looks like they have a 10-cup filter for around $35. Also comes with a "TDS Meter", so that appeals to us, too. Might be able to convince my husband (the dialysis patient) to get one at least for his own drinking water. I thought I read in reviews that it can take 20 minutes to create a picture of water (that doesn't sound long to me but I guess it could be for others) but what the heck, a person could set it up each nite just before bedtime and it'll be ready by morning. Aarg! Budget, budget, budget...but I really think we ought to fit this in.

[noahvale]

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[kristina]

I think you have misread my message, Mr. Noahvale... because I am not a mind-reader...
... but it appears that governments take instructions on a periodic basis...
...Meanwhile in the interim they are left to their own devices to answer questions put to them by the public and the media...
... which they often appear to answer in a very confused way, because they are not thinking individuals
... but appear to be merely puppets awaiting furter instrucitons...
... But, there again, as I have mentioned above,
I am not a mind-reader and I certainly don't know what it is really all about...

Huh???   

As I responded to Sugarlump, this is my last post on this off topic side bar.  If you wish to continue the conversion, please start a new thread on the Off Topic-Politics board. ~ NoahVale

Hello noahvale,

I don't think there is any urgent need for me to start a conversation about this matter on the Off Topic - Politics Board...
because I have already mentioned what I wanted to say about the matter...

[obsidianom]

I don't know if they carry it in the store but I saw that Walmart also sells the Zero Water System. Looks like they have a 10-cup filter for around $35. Also comes with a "TDS Meter", so that appeals to us, too. Might be able to convince my husband (the dialysis patient) to get one at least for his own drinking water. I thought I read in reviews that it can take 20 minutes to create a picture of water (that doesn't sound long to me but I guess it could be for others) but what the heck, a person could set it up each nite just before bedtime and it'll be ready by morning. Aarg! Budget, budget, budget...but I really think we ought to fit this in.

The one I got from Amazon for $44 is 23 cup which is about a gallon and a half so it holds a LOT of water. It fits in my refridgerater so we both have cold CLEAN water all the time now. IT TASTES GREAT.   Yes it takes a few minutes to filter it but I just keep it constantly filled as we use it so I dont even notice the time .

[PrimeTimer]

I don't know if they carry it in the store but I saw that Walmart also sells the Zero Water System. Looks like they have a 10-cup filter for around $35. Also comes with a "TDS Meter", so that appeals to us, too. Might be able to convince my husband (the dialysis patient) to get one at least for his own drinking water. I thought I read in reviews that it can take 20 minutes to create a picture of water (that doesn't sound long to me but I guess it could be for others) but what the heck, a person could set it up each nite just before bedtime and it'll be ready by morning. Aarg! Budget, budget, budget...but I really think we ought to fit this in.

The one I got from Amazon for $44 is 23 cup which is about a gallon and a half so it holds a LOT of water. It fits in my refridgerater so we both have cold CLEAN water all the time now. IT TASTES GREAT.   Yes it takes a few minutes to filter it but I just keep it constantly filled as we use it so I dont even notice the time .

Price-wise, the larger gallon and a half size actually sounds like the better deal. Years back my husband used Brita. Glad he doesn't anymore! Tap water is sure nasty but what some people don't know, is that some of the most clearest freshest water from the great outdoors can also make you sick. When I was young my friends and I would go camping together every summer. Sometimes we'd go to a campground at a lake. There was a time when we ran out of drinking water and eyed an upright post-type spigot on the lake's edge simply labeled "water". So, we filled our container and drank from that the rest of the day. Couple weeks later I ended up at the doctor's office with stomach cramps, etc...When the test results came back, he asked me if I had been hiking or camping recently. I said, "Yes, how did you know?". He said the test results revealed a parasitic bacteria in my lower intestine that usually comes from drinking from a natural water source, like springs, rivers or..a lake. He figured that the water we drank from that spigot was directly pumped from the lake (and not filtered). He said altho water from a river or waterfall may look tempting because it looks so crystal clear and tastes good, there are natural forms of bacteria in it that can make us sick. I had to do a round of anti-biotics. After that, I never drank from the outdoors again! 

[Sugarlump]

They have today published a report in the UK about the connection between high levels of aluminium in tap water and Alzheimer's.
Maybe the rapid increase in Alzheimers patients is a reflection on deteriorating water quality...

[kristina]

Thank you sugarlump,  for mentioning this point about high levels of aluminium in tap water and the connection to Alzheimer's !
I remember hearing rumours about that a few years ago and an independent (forgot who it was) investigation also noticed
many traces of hormones in our drinking/tap-water water and that really made me take action...!
I have filtered my drinking/cooking water ever since and it hopefully assists me in preserving my health as well as is possible...?
I am also wondering whether the deterioration of our tap-water is in any way connected to the privatization of our UK-water?

[Sugarlump]

Could well be ( geared up to profit ) and not enough re-investment in pipework. Some of our main water pipes are lead being Victorian!!!
That's not good.
Yes I too saw that report on hormone levels in water (Estrogen supposedly can cause fertility problems in men and even make fish change sex!!!)

Evian water assure me their aluminium levels are negligible... so I think I will carry on with my bottled water. I might even upgrade my water filter kettle.
Pity you can't get a home testing kit for your water... Using bottled water for cooking as well means a whole heap of bottles and then there is the issue of plastic
bottles contaminating the water after awhile in storage....

[obsidianom]

Could well be ( geared up to profit ) and not enough re-investment in pipework. Some of our main water pipes are lead being Victorian!!!
That's not good.
Yes I too saw that report on hormone levels in water (Estrogen supposedly can cause fertility problems in men and even make fish change sex!!!)

Evian water assure me their aluminium levels are negligible... so I think I will carry on with my bottled water. I might even upgrade my water filter kettle.
Pity you can't get a home testing kit for your water... Using bottled water for cooking as well means a whole heap of bottles and then there is the issue of plastic
bottles contaminating the water after awhile in storage....

Zero water comes with an electronoic water tester . When I filter water using it I get ZERO parts per million of all matter.  I then put it in my own bottles to use it. Its much cheaper in the long run then buying bottled water and I know its aluminum and all other matter free.

[Sugarlump]

Could well be ( geared up to profit ) and not enough re-investment in pipework. Some of our main water pipes are lead being Victorian!!!
That's not good.
Yes I too saw that report on hormone levels in water (Estrogen supposedly can cause fertility problems in men and even make fish change sex!!!)

Evian water assure me their aluminium levels are negligible... so I think I will carry on with my bottled water. I might even upgrade my water filter kettle.
Pity you can't get a home testing kit for your water... Using bottled water for cooking as well means a whole heap of bottles and then there is the issue of plastic
bottles contaminating the water after awhile in storage....

Zero water comes with an electronoic water tester . When I filter water using it I get ZERO parts per million of all matter.  I then put it in my own bottles to use it. Its much cheaper in the long run then buying bottled water and I know its aluminum and all other matter free.

Do you store it in glass or plastic bottles?

[obsidianom]

I use both but prefer glass. I have a large glass pitcher and some empty glass bottles from ice tea that I reuse for water. I make my own ice tea from this water also.