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« on: July 20, 2012, 10:27:56 PM »

Does anyone here also deal with restless legs?

The doctor has me on ropinorolol & has upped the dosage a few times, but it doesn't seem to be helping. I was told that kidney disease can trigger it.
Anyone dealing with this too? or any suggestions? I'm tired of not being able to sleep through the night properly &/or having my legs drive me so crazy that I cant stand sitting, makes it so hard when I have to be on dialysis for 3/hrs & stuck in a chair!!! 

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- 1995 - 12 yrs old found out my kidneys were both failing
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2012, 06:23:08 AM »

Try a very hot shower just before bed and mayb e even a back rub seems to help me.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2012, 07:18:44 AM »

I am on requip also and they won't increase the dose for me over 1 mg.  The dr. added Restoril (a mild sleeping medication) and the combo is helping somewhat.

I find that exercise does help - when it hits during the day (I have a desk job) I go for a quick walk between floors and that seems to calm it down enough to get through the rest of the day.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2012, 07:25:22 AM »

I am on requip also and they won't increase the dose for me over 1 mg.  The dr. added Restoril (a mild sleeping medication) and the combo is helping somewhat.

I find that exercise does help - when it hits during the day (I have a desk job) I go for a quick walk between floors and that seems to calm it down enough to get through the rest of the day.
Walking & standing always seems to help, but I hate taking a sleeping med at night since I have a little one. Last night I was up till 3am before I was able to fall asleep.  :stressed;
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~ Hello All, My names Marna ~

- 1995 - 12 yrs old found out my kidneys were both failing
- 1996 - Dec. 3 I received my 1st kidney transplant at age 13, after 7/mths on the waiting list
- 2005 - In Aug. transplant failed after 9.5 years, had to have a nephrectomy due to being very ill & massive hypertension
           - End of Aug. 1st time on dialysis
- 2006 - Had my fistula placed & ready to go
- 2010 - My little Miracle was born 6/mths into the pregnancy, weighing 2.4 lbs & 13.25 in long
          - Found out my PRA is 100% & I have antibodies that CAN'T be decreased
- 2013 - Oct. 2nd  *** I finally received my kidney!!! ***
          - Dec. 3rd I had 3.5 parathyroids removed, due to them interfering w/my new kidney.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2012, 09:55:10 AM »

I think most people who are on dialysis suffer with RLS. It is awful, my husband used to toss about at night . Pain meds never touched him. He use to stand up, move about, any thing to get a bit of peace. He is on a cycler so he could not go for a walk. It has to do with your bloods and minerals. He still suffers but not as much as he used too.  We found when his iron was low his legs would play up. His neph gave him folic acid tablets, I think you try any thing to stop it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2012, 11:05:22 AM »

I think most people who are on dialysis suffer with RLS. It is awful, my husband used to toss about at night . Pain meds never touched him. He use to stand up, move about, any thing to get a bit of peace. He is on a cycler so he could not go for a walk. It has to do with your bloods and minerals. He still suffers but not as much as he used too.  We found when his iron was low his legs would play up. His neph gave him folic acid tablets, I think you try any thing to stop it.
I never had issues all these years then in May 2010 when I became pregnant it dealt kicked in & my nephrologist told me it was a combo of both. I used to be in folic acid but didn't seem to help me, my hubby is lucky he works 3rd shift.. I'd be kicking him all night. :boxing;
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~ Hello All, My names Marna ~

- 1995 - 12 yrs old found out my kidneys were both failing
- 1996 - Dec. 3 I received my 1st kidney transplant at age 13, after 7/mths on the waiting list
- 2005 - In Aug. transplant failed after 9.5 years, had to have a nephrectomy due to being very ill & massive hypertension
           - End of Aug. 1st time on dialysis
- 2006 - Had my fistula placed & ready to go
- 2010 - My little Miracle was born 6/mths into the pregnancy, weighing 2.4 lbs & 13.25 in long
          - Found out my PRA is 100% & I have antibodies that CAN'T be decreased
- 2013 - Oct. 2nd  *** I finally received my kidney!!! ***
          - Dec. 3rd I had 3.5 parathyroids removed, due to them interfering w/my new kidney.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2012, 03:12:53 PM »

I've been on Dialysis for 9 years now and RLS was a big problem for me also. After i broke my hand the doc prescribed Hydrocodone for me. Turns out that stopped the RLS for me, I just take it as prescribed before treatment and haven't had a recurrence. I know it's bad ju-ju for some but it works for me. :twocents;
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2012, 06:27:16 AM »

My wife has tried most of the meds specifically made for RLS with no success.  The only thing that seemed to work for her is opiates.  Vicodin will suffice most of the time but what really works for her is Tramadol.   She continues to take Tramadol every night and sleeps like a baby.  She started out with 1 50mg tablet every night over a year ago but has moved up to 1 & a half tablets since then due to tolerance.  Diet will also play a significant role in how your legs effect you.  We learned to avoid anything with high b12 vitamin content, caffeine or sugar a few hours before bed as this would make her RLS worse.
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2012, 06:36:48 AM »

My wife has tried most of the meds specifically made for RLS with no success.  The only thing that seemed to work for her is opiates.  Vicodin will suffice most of the time but what really works for her is Tramadol.   She continues to take Tramadol every night and sleeps like a baby.  She started out with 1 50mg tablet every night over a year ago but has moved up to 1 & a half tablets since then due to tolerance.  Diet will also play a significant role in how your legs effect you.  We learned to avoid anything with high b12 vitamin content, caffeine or sugar a few hours before bed as this would make her RLS worse.

You could be right about caffine/ sugar. I like my caffine & sugar  :bandance;
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~ Hello All, My names Marna ~

- 1995 - 12 yrs old found out my kidneys were both failing
- 1996 - Dec. 3 I received my 1st kidney transplant at age 13, after 7/mths on the waiting list
- 2005 - In Aug. transplant failed after 9.5 years, had to have a nephrectomy due to being very ill & massive hypertension
           - End of Aug. 1st time on dialysis
- 2006 - Had my fistula placed & ready to go
- 2010 - My little Miracle was born 6/mths into the pregnancy, weighing 2.4 lbs & 13.25 in long
          - Found out my PRA is 100% & I have antibodies that CAN'T be decreased
- 2013 - Oct. 2nd  *** I finally received my kidney!!! ***
          - Dec. 3rd I had 3.5 parathyroids removed, due to them interfering w/my new kidney.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2012, 04:22:18 PM »

I am on requip also and they won't increase the dose for me over 1 mg. 

I wonder why?  My husband took 6 mg. (two 3 mg. tablets at a time).
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2012, 05:44:52 PM »

Good question. My uncle takes 12 mg per day but he has full fledged Parkinson's.
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2012, 08:08:22 PM »

Yeah that is weird.  :waiting;
I do think that some doctors are more understanding then others when it comes to our health problems though!
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~ Hello All, My names Marna ~

- 1995 - 12 yrs old found out my kidneys were both failing
- 1996 - Dec. 3 I received my 1st kidney transplant at age 13, after 7/mths on the waiting list
- 2005 - In Aug. transplant failed after 9.5 years, had to have a nephrectomy due to being very ill & massive hypertension
           - End of Aug. 1st time on dialysis
- 2006 - Had my fistula placed & ready to go
- 2010 - My little Miracle was born 6/mths into the pregnancy, weighing 2.4 lbs & 13.25 in long
          - Found out my PRA is 100% & I have antibodies that CAN'T be decreased
- 2013 - Oct. 2nd  *** I finally received my kidney!!! ***
          - Dec. 3rd I had 3.5 parathyroids removed, due to them interfering w/my new kidney.
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2012, 12:47:37 AM »

Restless legs start 1.5 years ago, after 4.5 trouble-free years in-center.  Happened right out of the wild blue yonder.  Another idiopathic diagnosis.  OH, HOW I LOVE THAT!  The restlessness was so madding it would wake me up at night and I would have to sit up for hours.

Requip did not work.  Conducted my own experiments and found, paradoxically, that hydrocodone (Vicodin) 7.5 mg codeine dose with minimal acetaminophen component did the trick.
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2012, 01:10:36 AM »

Restless legs start 1.5 years ago, after 4.5 trouble-free years in-center.  Happened right out of the wild blue yonder.  Another idiopathic diagnosis.  OH, HOW I LOVE THAT!  The restlessness was so madding it would wake me up at night and I would have to sit up for hours.

Requip did not work.  Conducted my own experiments and found, paradoxically, that hydrocodone (Vicodin) 7.5 mg codeine dose with minimal acetaminophen component did the trick.
Oh the craziness :bandance;
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~ Hello All, My names Marna ~

- 1995 - 12 yrs old found out my kidneys were both failing
- 1996 - Dec. 3 I received my 1st kidney transplant at age 13, after 7/mths on the waiting list
- 2005 - In Aug. transplant failed after 9.5 years, had to have a nephrectomy due to being very ill & massive hypertension
           - End of Aug. 1st time on dialysis
- 2006 - Had my fistula placed & ready to go
- 2010 - My little Miracle was born 6/mths into the pregnancy, weighing 2.4 lbs & 13.25 in long
          - Found out my PRA is 100% & I have antibodies that CAN'T be decreased
- 2013 - Oct. 2nd  *** I finally received my kidney!!! ***
          - Dec. 3rd I had 3.5 parathyroids removed, due to them interfering w/my new kidney.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 09:12:46 AM »

RLS is painful and will drive a person mad literaly.  I suffers with it for months finaly told neph I can't take it anymore.  Nothing worked for me and he put me on sensipar.
Amen that worked at least for me.
He said take one a night I'm not big on meds so I experimented with it.  Ends up one pill every week or two is all I need.
I take one when I start feeling the jerks in my legs.  Then I'm good for a week or so.  When I feel the jerks and pain ill take one again.
It saved my sanity.
Best of luck to all suffering.  Please try sensipar if u can.
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2012, 09:33:25 AM »

RLS is painful and will drive a person mad literaly.  I suffers with it for months finaly told neph I can't take it anymore.  Nothing worked for me and he put me on sensipar.
Amen that worked at least for me.
He said take one a night I'm not big on meds so I experimented with it.  Ends up one pill every week or two is all I need.
I take one when I start feeling the jerks in my legs.  Then I'm good for a week or so.  When I feel the jerks and pain ill take one again.
It saved my sanity.
Best of luck to all suffering.  Please try sensipar if u can.

I find that interesting... I have been taking sensipar for years now. I take 30mg once a night. But I have been taking it to control my calcium levels. Never once noticed it helping my RLS.
For RLS my neph. doctor has me on Clonidine(for BP & RLS) & Ropinorol. I have been on kidney meds most my life so I just think my body hsa built up a tolerance for meds. that should normally work for most people. It sucks !!!
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~ Hello All, My names Marna ~

- 1995 - 12 yrs old found out my kidneys were both failing
- 1996 - Dec. 3 I received my 1st kidney transplant at age 13, after 7/mths on the waiting list
- 2005 - In Aug. transplant failed after 9.5 years, had to have a nephrectomy due to being very ill & massive hypertension
           - End of Aug. 1st time on dialysis
- 2006 - Had my fistula placed & ready to go
- 2010 - My little Miracle was born 6/mths into the pregnancy, weighing 2.4 lbs & 13.25 in long
          - Found out my PRA is 100% & I have antibodies that CAN'T be decreased
- 2013 - Oct. 2nd  *** I finally received my kidney!!! ***
          - Dec. 3rd I had 3.5 parathyroids removed, due to them interfering w/my new kidney.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2012, 08:20:32 AM »

RLS is painful and will drive a person mad literaly.  I suffers with it for months finaly told neph I can't take it anymore.  Nothing worked for me and he put me on sensipar.
Amen that worked at least for me.
He said take one a night I'm not big on meds so I experimented with it.  Ends up one pill every week or two is all I need.
I take one when I start feeling the jerks in my legs.  Then I'm good for a week or so.  When I feel the jerks and pain ill take one again.
It saved my sanity.
Best of luck to all suffering.  Please try sensipar if u can.

Strange that sensipar would eliminate RLS considering it manages the thyroid.  I guess maybe your calcium levels not being regulated caused your RLS?  ???  My wife also takes sensipar but it never had any effect on her RLS.  Very interesting and I'm happy it works for you.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2013, 11:27:32 AM »

thanks for your mail on RLS. I have had my thyroid removed and  have noticed an increase in RLS since. I will be sleeping on dialysis and will be awakened by my legs jumping. very strange for me and those who may notice. I am also on one alphacalidol.  what do you think?
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2013, 02:23:06 PM »

I suffer very badly from this.
Can't relax my legs at night. Need to get up  and walk.
Fidget all the time in bed or in dialysis chair.

Can be linked to low iron levels (my hb has been very low for a few months)
Have now been prescribed clonazepam at night which does work and helps me sleep much better  :waving;

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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2013, 11:45:20 PM »

I suffer from restless leg too! It really gets to me when I'm sitting at dialysis, I fidget like crazy. I don't take any meds for it because frankly I don't want to add another med to my daily regime and chances are it won't work anyways. Plus... who knows what side affects it would cause. So I haven't tried it.
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2013, 01:09:36 AM »

I am finding the clonazepam (0.5mg) tablets  are brilliant!!!
I take one an hour before dialysis and one at bedtime.
I can sit still and relaxed in the dialysis chair for 4 hours and i am sleeping through to early morning.   :bow;  :bow;  :bow;
Has improved my humour greatly! And no apparent side effects. I think it is worth taking because The Restless Legs Syndrome was really making me miserable before.

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3 years HD 1st transplant Feb 08 failed after 3 months
Back to HD 2nd transplant Dec 10 failed after 11 months
Difficult times with a femoral line and catching MSSA (Thank you Plymouth Hospital)
Back on HD (not easy to do that third time around)
Fighting hard (two years on) to do home HD ... watch this space!
Oh and I am am getting married 1/08/15 to my wonderful partner Drew!!!
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2013, 07:19:02 AM »

SteveK87, sensipar does not act on the thyroid, it acts on the parathyroid.  Completely different glands.  I believe that high phosphate levels contribute to RLs, so taking snsipar makes sense.  I just wonder why paul.karen's doc. would only suggest an occasional dose?
.  One reason why the docs. may be reluctant to increase the dose of ropinerol./requip. is that one of the side effects of it, is that you  can fall asleep without earning during the day without warning.  Not a great thing to happen if you are driving.  Walking around on a cold floor and keeping my feet cool seems to help me.
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2013, 08:10:33 AM »

Can I just throw this out there - When I am sleeping on my dialysis chair I sometime hag I feet off the side and fall asleep, I am then awakened by it jumping all on its own. Does this mean I need some type of sleeping tablets?
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2013, 01:51:02 PM »

Charmer, that is probably periodic leg movements not restless leg syndrome, if it isn't accompanied by that irritating need to move them.  If it is not disturbing your sleep too much, then I wouldn't personally bother with sleeping meds.  Keep them for a time when you really need them as it is easy ti build up tolerance to them and they no longer work.
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2014, 09:57:46 PM »

Weird but interesting fact... I had my transplant 6 months back and since then my RLS has completely gone away  :)
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- 1995 - 12 yrs old found out my kidneys were both failing
- 1996 - Dec. 3 I received my 1st kidney transplant at age 13, after 7/mths on the waiting list
- 2005 - In Aug. transplant failed after 9.5 years, had to have a nephrectomy due to being very ill & massive hypertension
           - End of Aug. 1st time on dialysis
- 2006 - Had my fistula placed & ready to go
- 2010 - My little Miracle was born 6/mths into the pregnancy, weighing 2.4 lbs & 13.25 in long
          - Found out my PRA is 100% & I have antibodies that CAN'T be decreased
- 2013 - Oct. 2nd  *** I finally received my kidney!!! ***
          - Dec. 3rd I had 3.5 parathyroids removed, due to them interfering w/my new kidney.
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