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« on: December 07, 2006, 10:30:36 AM »

Girl who's here illegally needs kidney transplant

Thursday, December 07, 2006
By Nardy Baeza Bickel and Shandra Martinez
The Grand Rapids Press

For the past three years, Audelia Garcia has made tough choices, knowing the wrong one could be a death sentence for her youngest daughter, Liliana Cruz-Garcia.

Since Liliana's kidneys began deteriorating at age 10, Garcia has sold all her possessions, broken laws and, at times, put her daughter in danger to save her life.

Now, after risking Liliana's life to bring her to relatives in West Michigan, a kidney transplant is just beyond reach. She can't afford the drugs that would keep Liliana's body from rejecting her sister's donated kidney. The teen is in this country illegally, making her ineligible for billions of dollars set aside annually to treat kidney patients in the United States.

Liliana's plight illuminates a poignant aspect of the immigration debate that has divided this country. The price of providing health care to undocumented immigrants is estimated to be in the billions. But denying life-saving health care to a child living in our midst seems unthinkable to many in a nation founded by immigrants.

Garcia believes she had no choice but to bring her sick daughter across the border after her request for a visa was denied.

"What else could I do? I didn't come here to get papers, or to make money. I came here to save my daughter's life. In Mexico, if you don't have money, they'll just let you die. Here, she has a chance," Garcia said in Spanish.

But in order to reach out to strangers whose donations might save her daughter's life, she risks attracting the attention of immigration officials who could deport her entire family.

The wrong decision could mean her daughter returns to her native country, where she won't have access to the medical care that will keep her alive.

After-care is essential, expensive

Performing the operation without a guarantee of after-care would be unethical, say officials at DeVos Children's Hospital, where the girl has been treated for 15 months.

The drugs alone cost about $24,000 a

year, excluding the cost of seeing a kidney specialist every month for the rest of her life. The bill would be in the millions of dollars over Liliana's life. That's a fortune to a family struggling to make $1,200 a month.

But the after-care is considerably less than the $15,000 a month currently being spent to provide Liliana with three dialysis treatments a week, provoking yet another dilemma. The hospital can't perform the transplant without the after-care guarantee, but also cannot afford to provide medical care for Liliana for the rest of her life, said Bruce Rossman, spokesman for Spectrum Health.

"This case would require endless resources. If you do it for one, where do you draw the line for the next person? It creates a slippery slope that could jeopardize a wide range of care we provide for a lot of children," Rossman said.

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Therein lies the bigger issue, says Steven Camarota, head of research at the Washington-D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies. The U.S. is picking up the cost for Mexico and other countries' substandard health care, says Camarota, whose organization's mission statement says it "seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted."

Camarota says Liliana's treatment could come at the expense of U.S. citizens.

"We have to realize there are losers here. They are not just taxpayers but Americans who need health care but can't get it because the money is being used for people who aren't supposed to be in this country," Camarota said.

Undocumented immigrants account for 14 percent of the country's uninsured patients, according to a report by Camarota's organization. Paying for their medical care -- excluding costs picked up by state or local governments and charities -- added up to $4.7 billion in 2002. But undocumented immigrants paid $7 billion into Social Security and Medicare, according to the report, based on census data.

While some see a tax burden, Lu Reyes sees a child's life at stake.

"This is one of God's children. We have the medication available here to help her," said Reyes, a retired social worker in Holland. The longtime community activist has made dozens of calls to friends and strangers trying to raise donations to pay for Liliana's after-care.

Federal law requires hospitals to provide life-saving medical care to anyone who comes through the doors.

That mandate can put hospitals in difficult situations and force hard decisions about patient care, said Tomas Tomlinson, director of the Center for Ethics and Humanities in the Life Sciences at Michigan State University's College of Human Medicine.

Desperate choices

When her daughter's kidneys began to fail, Garcia was able to pay for private medical care in Mexico at first. She used the money she received from Liliana's father, who supported the family by working across the border in the U.S. When he lost his job, the help stopped coming.

One by one, Garcia sold all her possessions. Then the family home. She considered taking Liliana to Mexico's public hospitals, but a visit to one made her believe her daughter would die within its grimy walls.

The Mexican government has a program to cover some expenses for transplants and medicines for people who have paid into the country's social security system. But those who do not qualify have little chance of getting a transplant.

Garcia decided her daughter's only chance was in the United States. She applied for a tourist visa to join her two older sons and a daughter, who would donate her kidney to Liliana. But the visa was denied because, with all her family here and no property remaining Mexico, she would have no reason to return.

Applying for a medical visa would have required Garcia to show she or another entity could pay for her daughter's medical care.

Garcia felt her only option was an illegal border-crossing, a dangerous undertaking for anybody, let alone a sick child carrying a dialysis bag.

The memories of how she made that decision brought Garcia to tears as she spoke in her Holland mobile home.

A "pollero," a smuggler charging a fee to cross people illegally, took pity on her and gave them a discount. With the help of family members, they paid the fees and crossed the border, sometimes walking, sometimes in a car.

After her arrival, Liliana spent five weeks in Driscoll Children's Hospital in Corpus Christi, Texas, fighting for her life. But the hospital wasn't going to provide Liliana with either long-term dialysis or a kidney transplant, forcing Garcia to share her plans for coming to West Michigan.

Driscoll officials contacted DeVos Children's Hospital, requesting treatment for Liliana. The request was declined because the girl wasn't eligible to receive federal funding, Rossman said.

Before discharging the girl, Driscoll found a Mexican hospital where Liliana could receive treatment for her kidney failure, and provided bus tickets, Rossman said.

With her resources exhausted, Garcia wasn't going back to Mexico. She decided to stick with her plan to join family in Michigan.

When Liliana arrived at the emergency department at Spectrum's Butterworth campus in August 2005, she was suffering from kidney failure and an enlarged heart. The latter was caused by not having access to dialysis.

"She was almost at the stage where she needed a heart transplant along with a kidney transplant," Rossman said.

When her condition stabilized, she was transferred to outpatient dialysis.

Giving Liliana a transplant could put the hospital at odds with federal regulators. Current rules don't address providing kidney transplants for undocumented residents, even if the patient doesn't need to be put on a waiting list for a donated kidney.

Within weeks, the federal government expects to issue guidelines for undocumented immigrants in need of transplants, Rossman said.

DeVos officials hope to find a solution that will give Liliana a transplant but avoid opening the door to others in dire situations.

"Everybody wants to see a happy ending on this case, but for this being the first big issue with an undocumented person who needs a major surgery, we are finding our way through without a lot of guidance," Rossman said.

So far, Liliana's medical care has cost the hospital $300,000, which is being written off as charity care. The $50,000 transplant surgery likely would be absorbed by the hospital and surgeons.

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Meanwhile, Liliana worries about the toll her illness is taking on her mother.

"Sometimes I want to die," Liliana said, admitting she feels she is a burden on her mother.

"I just don't want to be like this anymore," she said, lowering her eyes. "I just want to have my transplant."

While Liliana attends school and has friends, she can't experience what girls her age take for granted: bike rides, dancing, sleep-overs, swimming. Those activities could raise her blood pressure or trigger a deadly infection.

Because Liliana is doing well with dialysis, she could live years and possibly decades without a transplant, Rossman said. But he understands why Garcia is determined to get her daughter a transplant.

"If I was in that situation, and there was hope for a long and productive life for my child, I can't say I wouldn't do everything I could," Rossman said.

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2006, 11:52:25 AM »

If she is here illegally and her family is here illegally then send them back where they came from! Why am I struggling to get listed when she can just waltz into the United States and get taken care of immediately. In addition I sure could use some money to pay my own bills!
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2006, 02:07:39 PM »

This is a hard one...but I agree with Kitkatz.  The child and her family should have stayed in Mexico and dealt with the resources they had available to them in their home country. Resources, I may add, they knew full well about -  at least they had some through their citizenship. Instead the mother made some wrong choices, in my opinion.    Especially with a sister to donate - they should all go back to Mexico and present for treatment there.  The cost of caring for illegals is breaking the healthcare system of the US.  I care for far too many patients born and raised here in the US that can't afford their own meds - but they don't ask for handouts.  Hell, I even plan my surgeries and health care expenses and those of my family according to co-pays and out of pocket expenses and when I could afford them.  I feel for that little girl of course, but we can't be every thing to every one.  I say send them back...they won't be denied care in their home country. 
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2006, 02:29:46 PM »

I do feel for the family.  However there are legal immigrants here and American citizens undergoing hardships themselves and should be treated long before an illegal is treated.

They are illegal and need deported. 

I find troubling the mothers claims to be helping her child yet refused to return to Mexico when the hospital found a place for her daughter to undergo dialysis back in Mexico.  Definitely ulterior motives on the mothers part.

The Democrats have already made it so illegals can collect social security.  The big thing in the pipeline now is they are planning to give all the illegals amnesty and citizenship.

This right here irks me also.

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Undocumented immigrants account for 14 percent of the country's uninsured patients, according to a report by Camarota's organization. Paying for their medical care -- excluding costs picked up by state or local governments and charities -- added up to $4.7 billion in 2002. But undocumented immigrants paid $7 billion into Social Security and Medicare, according to the report, based on census data.

The only way for those illegals to have paid into the SS system was for them to commit felony identity theft.  As such that money that was paid into the system should be credited to the accounts it was turned in under as compensation to the victims of these illegals crime of stealing their SS#.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2006, 04:26:50 PM »

Can i ask each one of you,  what if that was YOUR child?  What would YOU do?? 
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2006, 04:37:05 PM »

Of course we would do whatever we could if it was our kid, nina. 
That doesn't make it fair to those of us who are getting bumped down the list because of illegal aliens.  We didn't break any laws. 
And we can all feel sympathy for a little kid - but how many of them are on the list as adults?  If she doesn't get a transplant right away, will the "awwww, poor kid" factor still apply when she's 20?  Where do you draw that line?  Put her on the list now and toss her back across the border on her 18th birthday?
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2006, 05:48:27 PM »

If one of my children needed life saving healthcare I would make it happen even if I had to do something immoral, illegal or give my life if necessary.

Thats all I can say about this subject.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2006, 06:14:54 PM »

If one of my children needed life saving healthcare I would make it happen even if I had to do something immoral, illegal or give my life if necessary.

Thats all I can say about this subject.

QFT, I would also like to add, I would KILL if necessary.  :o
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2006, 06:48:52 PM »

Please dont get wrong i am not judging anyone, i just am confused myself, remember i am a dialysis patient as well, just cant figure this system out...
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2006, 07:09:32 PM »

Maybe we should put something in the water "down there" that will keep them from breeding.  I can't think of another more workable solution for this endless problem that does nothing but screw this country and all of our people.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2006, 07:58:29 PM »

Can i ask each one of you,  what if that was YOUR child?  What would YOU do?? 

Everyone on the transplant list is "someone's child."  Think about it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2006, 08:08:53 PM »

This is a touchy subject..... I have mixed emotions. First off let me start by saying I would do anything fo my children to keep them alive... however... I am not an illegal immigrant, and I dont believe illegals should be in this country... causing more financial problems then we need or can handle.

"This case would require endless resources. If you do it for one, where do you draw the line for the next person? It creates a slippery slope that could jeopardize a wide range of care we provide for a lot of children," Rossman said.

My point exactly. Where would you draw the line? How can you do something for one child... then deny all the other's who will more than likely hear what we have done and come running across the border to do the same?

Now, after risking Liliana's life to bring her to relatives in West Michigan, a kidney transplant is just beyond reach. She can't afford the drugs that would keep Liliana's body from rejecting her sister's donated kidney. The teen is in this country illegally, making her ineligible for billions of dollars set aside annually to treat kidney patients in the United States.

When I first tried to get on the transplant list in Las Vegas, NV, I couldn't get on it because I didn't have any insurance at the time that would cover all of my post-transplant medicines. After a few months of getting it all worked out, I got put on the list. Point is, they won't do a transplant for anyone who cannot afford the post-transplant care, or for anyone who don't have medical insurance to cover the post-transplant care.... so what about those people who fall in a gap and ARE legal... they don't get a front page story to get help.

After-care is essential, expensive Performing the operation without a guarantee of after-care would be unethical, say officials at DeVos Children's Hospital, where the girl has been treated for 15 months.

Nothing new... same rule applys to everyone else.

The drugs alone cost about $24,000 a year, excluding the cost of seeing a kidney specialist every month for the rest of her life. The bill would be in the millions of dollars over Liliana's life. That's a fortune to a family struggling to make $1,200 a month.

Well, she wouldn't need to see a kidney specialist EVERY month for the REST of her life... just in the begining. It's a fortune to everyone... how does she expect to raise that kind of money to continue paying for it all of her life? I doubt she could even if she wasn't illegal.. thats a lot of money.

"This is one of God's children. We have the medication available here to help her," said Reyes, a retired social worker in Holland. The longtime community activist has made dozens of calls to friends and strangers trying to raise donations to pay for Liliana's after-care.

Where was anyone when I needed publicity to get medical care that I was denied due to having no insurance? I was only 16, but because i'm not famous... or illegal... or whatnot, I didn't get any publicity... and I didn't get the chemo I needed, and therefore I was told by the goverment... "we cannot help you... come back in a few years when your kidneys fail and you need dialysis, we will help you then.."..and there is thousands of children out there right now who could use this kind of help and they ARE legal... why should this child be any different and moved to the front of the line?


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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2006, 08:43:48 PM »

I understand how everyone feels about illegal immigrants receiving medical/or special treatments....BUT....I am a mother who would do ANYTHING for the welfare of my children or grandchildren, I would go to prison, if I thought it could save them from something like this.  As the Christmas season approaches, it is time to open our hearts and kind thoughts to ALL that need attention, no matter who they are...where they are, and how they got there.  A very Merry Christmas....to all. Nan
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2006, 09:04:40 PM »

Are there no wealthy people in Mexico who could pay for her surgery?  One of the "Oil Barrons," perhaps.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2006, 09:14:38 PM »

The line has to be drawn.  Right now the official figure is 12-20 million illegals currently within the U.S.  When you include the children they have had here the amount becomes something as high as 40-60 million.  How do you say PARASITE and how many parasites are enough?
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2006, 10:19:47 PM »

Can i ask each one of you,  what if that was YOUR child?  What would YOU do?? 

Everyone on the transplant list is "someone's child."  Think about it.

Yes Rerun, i know that, and we have the means of treatment here, what i was asking was, "wouldnt you do the same thing too if this was your child"   What if your child needed something and the only doctor who can do it lived in Mexico?  What would you do? would you do what you can to get your child there?  Would expect them to care for your child?
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2006, 03:57:41 AM »

Ya know what?  There are a lot of sick people and people die.  How about the mother with a kidney patient child in the United States who is torn apart by watching her child go through dialysis waiting for a kidney and then this Media Blitz gets this illegal child transplanted. 

The reason this mother brought her to the United States is because we have done WAY too many benevolent transplants to illegals.  It is time to stop or you will see more and more of this.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2006, 04:57:03 AM »

They should have to wait and go through the proper channels agreed. Rerun your right we all are someones kid. My point though was if it were my kid in need, nothing would stop me from doing whatever it took regardless of how others feel.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2006, 05:02:10 AM »

Also, there is care available to them in Mexico.  They know that.  I am sure there are dialysis patients in Mexico and they are waiting for transplants.  While I don't have stats, they do offer dialysis and transplant in Mexico, correct?  And she has a living related donor - her sister.  We should refer her back to the Mexican embassy.
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2006, 06:44:48 AM »

Also, there is care available to them in Mexico.  They know that.  I am sure there are dialysis patients in Mexico and they are waiting for transplants.  While I don't have stats, they do offer dialysis and transplant in Mexico, correct?  And she has a living related donor - her sister.  We should refer her back to the Mexican embassy.
Wasn't it something about only getting care in Mexico if you have money while the USA will put anyone on dialysis even withOUT money?

And then it looks like dominos where one thing led to another and now she wants a transplant.
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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2006, 12:22:54 PM »

If it were my child, I would KILL to have something done, and done right now!  However I am not in this country illegally.  And I did not go to Mexico and enter their country illegally to try to get healthcare, transplant, or money out of anyone in that country.
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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2006, 04:09:13 PM »

Can i ask each one of you,  what if that was YOUR child?  What would YOU do?? 

I would try to save their life as I imagine any parent would.

However the bigger question is why is the mother determined to stay in the US and scam off the US health care system when in fact life saving treatment for her child was lined up for her back home? After all both dialysis and transplant are only treatments, not cures.
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2006, 03:40:21 AM »

Can i ask each one of you,  what if that was YOUR child?  What would YOU do?? 

I would try to save their life as I imagine any parent would.

However the bigger question is why is the mother determined to stay in the US and scam off the US health care system when in fact life saving treatment for her child was lined up for her back home? After all both dialysis and transplant are only treatments, not cures.
I thought it said she couldn't afford treatment there?? I thought I saw that. Not sure. Would have to go back and read it again.

"What else could I do? I didn't come here to get papers, or to make money. I came here to save my daughter's life. In Mexico, if you don't have money, they'll just let you die. Here, she has a chance," Garcia said in Spanish.

Where in the USA they don't turn ANYONE away from dialysis....
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2006, 07:58:42 AM »

If this was a rare or one time issue i wouldn't feel so strongly about it.  The fact is that this has happened time and time again.  The poor little sick kid isn't taken care of by it's own so it becomes our responsibility to do what Mexico won't do for it's own.  Mexico is an awful country.  It is poor, corrupt, and generally dishonest in nature.  It's people and government have repeatedly stated in many ways that they feel they have a god given right to enter the United States and that we must provide for them. Their people come here illegally by the millions and thanks to bad government here that tends to look the other way, they become lifelong and multi-generational problems for us.

They steal jobs, import drugs and crime, steal their healthcare and education and give thanks by thumbing their noses at us and demanding more. 

Most Americans want this stopped but our enemies aren't only in Mexico.  Our federal government and the federal court system are allies in perpetuating the invasion. Every time Americans step in with common sense proposals to stop or slow this madness they are immediately shot down by the federal courts.  Think about proposition 187 in California and the anti-illegal ordinance in Hazleton, Pennsylvania to name a couple.  Add federal laws that prevent the determination of an illegal's status aledgedly designed to prevent discrimination and sanctuary cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco that forbid the arrest of illegals and you have a perfect storm designed by the U.S. government to perpetuate illegal immigration and harm the American people.

Now in this case it is very likely that the mother of the girl involved has no intention of ever returning to Mexico.  This case is likely a ploy to get the entire family into the U.S. and keep them here permanently.  Illegals have brought sick children to the U.S. before and used these children as an excuse to obtain permanent residency here.  It is similiar to the more well known tactic used in millions of cases of becoming pregnant for the sole purpose of delivering a child on U.S. soil which makes the child an automatic citizen and usually prevents deportation of the mother. 

Should this child be dialyzed and transplanted?  Most definetly yes and the sooner the better.  Should it happen here in the U.S.?  Most definetly no.  Mexico must step up to the plate and protect this little girl who is one of it's own citizens. 
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2006, 11:03:07 AM »

Can i ask each one of you,  what if that was YOUR child?  What would YOU do?? 

I would try to save their life as I imagine any parent would.

However the bigger question is why is the mother determined to stay in the US and scam off the US health care system when in fact life saving treatment for her child was lined up for her back home? After all both dialysis and transplant are only treatments, not cures.
I thought it said she couldn't afford treatment there?? I thought I saw that. Not sure. Would have to go back and read it again.

"What else could I do? I didn't come here to get papers, or to make money. I came here to save my daughter's life. In Mexico, if you don't have money, they'll just let you die. Here, she has a chance," Garcia said in Spanish.

Where in the USA they don't turn ANYONE away from dialysis....

Yes the mother says she couldnt pay.  She cannot pay in the US either.  Considering the bias of the article I would think they would have mentioned that the mother would have to pay if they went to the place that the US hospital found for her.  I do not see the US hospital going through all that trouble in knowing the mothers lack of money to find a place in Mexico if that place was not going to treat her as she is being treated in the US.

If the girl and her mother came here legally I have no problem.    Illegal is another matter.
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