just depressed!

[plugger]

I gave a kidney to my daughter.  It was over nine years ago and I still haven't noticed any ill effects.  In fact I'm already older than my father was when he passed away, and I've outlived a brother - so I'm not buying the argument that my time is going to be cut short.

I do also read things like the following:
"Current research indicates that kidney donation does not change life expectancy or increase a person’s risks of developing kidney disease or other health problems."
http://www.umm.edu/transplant/kidney/qanda.htm

[plugger]

I think there is a better chance of all this holiday food killing me!   

[tyefly]

    I really believe in organ donation and wish there were more donated...   I feel the same way....  I wont take a kidney from my daughter who is only 24... she hasnt even had kids yet....    but I will take one from one of the healthy older adults that I know.....    but I never asked either....  I would rather truely get one from a desease person.....  but that can take a long time...  wish I could start growing my own....    I dont think that will happen in my life time  but it will happen as long as the religous people dont abuse that too like they are trying to do with abortions......  Growing organs  will be the next great accomplishment ........  they have already started and some organs are used now...we just need more acceptance...

[dwcrawford]

Well, for god's sake eat then.  But please respect other people's feelings and opinions.

[tyefly]

Well, for god's sake eat then.  But please respect other people's feelings and opinions.

     Yes we all need to respect others feelings........     I am not hungry.....

[cariad]

I don't see how Plugger posting about his personal experiences and beliefs as a donor is at all disrespectful of other people's opinions.

If we want more people to donate and get more people off dialysis, we need to hear from the donors. I personally want to hear the stories, because my husband is going to (hopefully) be donating to me, and the thought of something happening to him is really terrifying. Intellectually, I know that donation carries very few risks, probably similar to the level of risk I undertook to have children, but I still find the donor experiences helpful. Thanks, Plugger.

When I ask my husband if maybe I should just wait it out on the list, his response is an exasperated "Oh, shut-up, will you?" (Welsh humor)

[dwcrawford]

Somehow or other two or three of you people will take offense to anything I write.   That is neither vitriolic nor passive aggressive.  I'm just stating that I agree with another poster and that I want my opinion respected just as you all  do and as I'm sure the other poster does.  I'd bet that on any subject you could find experts, doctor, organization, surveys, statistics etc. to say anything you want it to.

[tyefly]

    Dan    no offense taken.......     I was just stating that   I was not hungry....

[dwcrawford]

Tye, it has nothing to do with your comment.  There is a person who is constantly calling me down in posts.  I try to avoid things that person posts in but don't always manage to.  I think all deserve an opinion and all are respected.  What I resent more than anything is the implication that people on dialsysis have less of a quality of life.  People can go hunting or trapping for kidneys if they are comfortable with it.

[cariad]

There is a person who is constantly calling me down in posts.  I try to avoid things that person posts in but don't always manage to.  I think all deserve an opinion and all are respected. 

Dan are you referring to me? Perhaps you should just say so. I am a pretty easy person to avoid around here, but if I know you don't wish to hear from me, then I will happily not reply to your posts. This discussion, of course, was started by someone else, and I felt I had something valid to say to her. When another poster is talking about his own experiences and is admonished to 'respect' others, I have every right to state my opinion and inform him that I found what he said respectful and helpful. I still don't see where the comment about respect came from, but I did not reply because I was offended. Your comment made it sound like you found Plugger's comment offensive and that he was not respecting the opinions of others. If that is not what you meant, then it's not what you meant. The original poster appears to want a transplant, and would apparently appreciate a live donor stepping forward, so discussing his experiences hardly seems out of place here.

I never displayed any lack of respect for your opinions on the matter. I have heard you: you do not want a live donor.

What I resent more than anything is the implication that people on dialsysis have less of a quality of life.  People can go hunting or trapping for kidneys if they are comfortable with it.

I missed the part where anyone said or implied that people on dialysis have a lower quality of life. Kids on dialysis do - that is just a fact, at least it was when I was a kid on dialysis. Whether someone does better with a transplant or dialysis as an adult is individual. It seems to me that you are taking people's choice to pursue a transplant very personally.

"hunting and trapping for kidneys" is a deliberately provocative and disrespectful phrase. This does not seem to reconcile with your comment that everyone should be respected (a belief I share with you, by the way).

[dwcrawford]

I believe everyone should follow their own desires and beliefs.  One poster said he gave to his daughter.  Who wouldn't give to a chld, parent or sibling?  Another poster made a comment with which I agreed.  Then the caca starts.  Things posted in the past have included requiring dialysis health care works to give a kidney.  Other such suggestions led to my rude comment of "trapping and hunting".  Yes, I'm  referring to you.  You seem to have made it your mission, for the past few months, to tell me what I can and cannot say.  If I am rude to a poster, let him or her call me on it.  I realize that you consider yourself better than most people but it still isn't your place to do so.  We all can't travel in complete class and eat in exquisitve restaurants, though some of us would like to and some of use are possibly as close to being brilliant as others of you are.  Surely this is not PASSIVE agressive.  Yes, in response to a post about appetite (question of mine).  I can afford it, I am able to do it and in a position to do it.  Without those snide superiors remarks I could have read good things in that post of yours.

All I know is there are people around doing dialysis for years.  They didn't die in five years.  Personally I've been counseled that I  will do well either way I choose and it isn't necessary to make up my mind at this point.  I've been very lucky in all this.  Dialysis is  NOT fun.  It is just that I tend to try to make the best of it.  Sometimes I wonder if all the "just depressed" people would be less depressed if there weren't so much negativity to dialysis.

[okarol]

Patients can choose to stay on dialysis or get transplanted. They can also choose to post their feelings or not.
But since this thread is about being young and depressed, let's keep it on topic or I will lock it. Thanks.

okarol/admin

[kitkatz]

I am 46 and have been through depression on and off for years.  It sucks and dialysis can make it worse.

[del]

I think most people on dialysis or with any chronic disease faces depression at some point.  For some it is worse than others.  As for to have a transplant or not have a transplant it is a personal decision and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Please people respect other people.  It makes life a lot easier.

[cariad]

Well, I had a reply typed but deleted it because it continues off on this tangent. I feel that I have been misunderstood and maligned for things that I did not actually do, but I want to respect the rules of the forum, so I'll stop there. Sorry for the wandering off topic, Karol. 

Karen, are you feeling any better? Hope so. 

[dwcrawford]

Depression is a miserable thing especially when such issues as you have are present too.  I hope you work out the all the problems and get what you need.  Most of all,  I hope you can manage your depression and not let it take charge of you.  I apologize for getting off topic as I realize this is a most serious issue.

I will say that my email is on the profile and anyone who needs to get a message to me without disrupting here, feel free to use my email. 

[okarol]

Sadly depression at any age is devastating. It seems to go hand in hand with chronic illnesses, which is to be expected I suppose. Karen, I hope you can get some support and things get better for you. 

[Sunny]

Hang in there Karen. Remember that you are not alone in your feelings of depression. We know what it's like for you. Feel better soon.

[paris]

Hi Karen, you have every right to get upset. Come and vent more often.  Not only are you dealing with your health, but your Mother has been going through so much.  That has to add to all your worries.   Kidney failure shouldn't be a part of the life of someone in their 20's.  When you start aging, you expect some problems with your health, but no one expects young people to cope with such huge problems.   You know you have many here who admire your strength and we are here for you.   

[karen547]

Thank you everyone! I was just in a funk I suppose that day! I was just thinking about all of the things we all on IHD have to go through and it just got me upset. Another thing that is semi unrelated thats bugging me is this drama that is going on between my sister and my mom and her husband and somewhat my dad. The day she called and told us no to the transplant, my dad got really mad and upset. He has since apologized, but my sisters husband has not said one word to him , or any of us for that matter... he hasnt since they got married really either.... yeah hes a winner!! anyway my mom is upset because she wants Brett (the husband) to talk it over with my dad so we all can move on! My sister wants all of us out there for next X-mas, but how or why should we when Brett clearly doesnt want us out there. I dunno, it seems like since my sister has gotten married shes all about brett brett brett and completely has forgotten about us in the process.