Even if you know a diabetic, or even work with them in the medical field, you will never be "aware" unless you are actually a diabetic. I absolutely hate it when people tell me they know how I feel, or how i have to plan every little thing I do, every second of my life. NO, they do NOT know! And they never will.
I hate to interrupt, but I have noticed a pattern with a certain member who enjoys being argumentative.Now that the political thread is closed, this member may find it pleasurable to pick a fight on another thread.I don't think any response will be acceptable as this member's goal is simply to argue and show that you are wrong.
BigSky I have a question... if you were in a unit that provided some sort of snack (so you would presume it was OK by the unit dietician etc to provide) would you object to that? Or are you just objecting to outside food being brought in (where it's true if you let someone bring in an apple what's to stop the pizza and sundae desert?). I could understand a "no outside food" rule since that would stop people bringing in their pizzas etc but also food that would be potentially bad for you (ever seen a dialysis patient with a banana??? ) but allow for snacks and drinks provided by the staff. That seems a reasonable compromise IMHO.
I do not need to EVER "explain" myself to you. Especially medical history.
By all means if you truly think its in control when one needs to get up multiple times every night to eat that is your opinion. You might want to inform the medical community of your facts. Oh wait best make sure its only those that have dealt with it a long time like you same must happen before they can say anything on the matter.I do not need to explain anything to you especially when you logic in the matter is faulty. BTW As by your own words you feel that only those who have dealt with it a long time can say anything on the matter.Which in other words would mean by your own logic you have nothing to say about complete renal failure nor dialysis since you never dealt with it a long time.
I do not want a buffet at dialysis but if that ever happens I will be the first in line saving places for Kitkatz and Rerun....I would like 1/2 a sandwhich, a fruit cup, hot tea and 6 soft Cheeto's...... that is itwhen my blood pressure is low at the end of dialysis they make me drink chicken brothit has happened two times in 4 years
Quote from: twirl on January 11, 2009, 04:31:42 PMI do not want a buffet at dialysis but if that ever happens I will be the first in line saving places for Kitkatz and Rerun....I would like 1/2 a sandwhich, a fruit cup, hot tea and 6 soft Cheeto's...... that is itwhen my blood pressure is low at the end of dialysis they make me drink chicken brothit has happened two times in 4 yearsThank you for saving me a place in line. That would be a perfect snack.... 1/2 a sandwich, a fruit cup, hot tea and 10 soft Cheeto's.
I agree I didn't choose the best words using long time. However, when it comes to diabetes the complications become more revelant over time for some diabetics, few may have them sooner.. As for having to eat snacks at night with the need to get up occassionally, that's not opinion,
As for your debate tatics, they need some improvement. You state something and then don't want to supply information to a means of your opinion, what good is posting something then. Then you just go on attacking other members.
Get off your high horse and give members a better understanding of your view rather than just coming back with an attack because no one fits your view. A debate is to give your opinion and sway others to your side with information you provide. Which is lacking when it comes to diabetes, but go ahead, say "I don't have to explain myself" That I know is your given answer, the cure all of all answers.And my logic is fine about diabetes and the need to have a snack of something to eat while on dialysis. Apparently from the lack of input you provide, you have given the impression you do not know what you are talking about.
By what you say here bigsky you must work for one of the units that are banning food and drink. We are ALL entitled to our opinion and should not be attacking each other ( and yes I did look at the peaceful picture before I posted) This issue does not really concern me anymore because hubby does home hemo and he can eat or drink whatever he wants when he is hooked to the machine!! I think that dialysis units should have a little bit of compassion towards there patients. Those patients have a chronic disease that without the treatment they would not be around here. How would you feel if you were the one siting there in a dialysis chair hungry and thirsty and not allowed to have anything. Not a good feeling.
Dialysis does clean the body of toxins and also removes stuff like protein. When the protein is removed, and this happens a lot with nocturnal the body responses by craving for food to get back the protein it is missing. Because of this the patient is usually very hungry!!
I would want sound medical reasons that would apply to everybody not just a few people!! Why ban everyone from eating and drinking if some people are abusing it. Just deal with those people.
There are restrictions everywhere you look and to further restrict to say that you have to go sometimes for 5 or 6 hours without food or drink ( longer if doing nocturnal ) is just silly without sound medical reasons. I have done lots of research and no where have I read that dialysis patients should not eat or drink during treatment. I am not attacking anyone just stating my opinion and some facts!!!
Hate to say this and potentially add to the flames (and I loved the calming picture padd! ) but from my reading of this thread BigSky it's you who have been angry, agressive and attacking IMHO. Yes, some have bitten back because they feel they need to defend their position. For me I would never write about a diabetic's life or requirements because knock on wood I am not one (and fingers crossed will stay that way!!) but I can certainly understand that ANYONE who makes an argument without backing an opinion up with either fact or at least an argument to support their opinion should be questioned as part of a meaningful debate.
Quote from: wrandym on January 10, 2009, 08:03:00 PMI would agree that a full, hot meal or a delivered pizza is a little out of the question, but a snack or light meal is not. You say that going 6 hours without food is not uncomfortable. Might be fine for you, but diabetics that have made it this far, the 20 years or so that it takes to reach dialysis. Have been taking smaller meals at shorter intervals to keep their blood sugar more level and 6 hours is a long time. I am sure that any unit would not want the "legal liability" of a diabetic crashing on them.Evidently you must not control it very well then since you must get up several times a night since you cannot go 6 hours without.
I would agree that a full, hot meal or a delivered pizza is a little out of the question, but a snack or light meal is not. You say that going 6 hours without food is not uncomfortable. Might be fine for you, but diabetics that have made it this far, the 20 years or so that it takes to reach dialysis. Have been taking smaller meals at shorter intervals to keep their blood sugar more level and 6 hours is a long time. I am sure that any unit would not want the "legal liability" of a diabetic crashing on them.
[Actually I am quite aware.
So go back to thinking your so perfect and have no flaws, because your not worth my or any other members you attack time with your input since you think your crap don't stink.
Which I then asked for an explanation and you go off on a tirade. Along with attacking other members of the group.And I never said I knew a lot about dialysis. I had it, but not as long as other people on here. If I don't know something in a post, I ask.So go back to thinking your so perfect and have no flaws, because your not worth my or any other members you attack time with your input since you think your crap don't stink.I have respect for others on here, but none for you.
This is my last comment because I am sooooo bored with this!! Whatever we say bigsky has his own answer for it. The studies that have been done are very few and have been done on a small group of people where nobody knows the age of the patients or their other medical conditions. Dialysis has not limited my husband in any way or has it limited many people on this site.!!! He is much more able to enjoy life since dialysis especially hemo!! Hubby does home hemo and if he ever has to go back to in center he will eat the same as he always did!!! He was in center for 6 years and never ever saw anybody have any problems with eating or drinking anything!!