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« on: September 16, 2009, 07:38:16 PM »

Hello IHD buddies,
I have been searching and can't find what I am looking for...maybe I am looking in the wrong forums.  Anyway, I apologize if the answer is here and I can't find it.  But I was curious if someone doing home hemo noctunal could answer this question for me.  How do you keep from jerking the needles out while you are sleeping?  I have been researching home noc and the way I flip and toss while I am asleep, I thought it might be an issue.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 06:41:51 PM »

The needles are taped really , really well!!  You also wear  a sensor on your arm just in case of a leak.  Hubby has beeb doing nocturnal home hemo for 3 years now and he has been in every shape in the world while he's asleep and has never come close to the needles coming out. You tape differently that you would if you are going to be awake or in center.  Here's some pics of the taping.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 06:44:31 PM »

Those pics were taken over a year ago.  Now instead of using tape where the lines loops by his wrist he wears one of those rubber bracelets like you can get for breast cancer.  It works a lot better.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 08:55:45 PM »

I have  a slightly different approach, but the idea is the same- tape well, and secure the loose end.

Also, when you get good button holes, they hold the needle a lot better than a thin layer of skin does.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 04:11:38 PM »

Thanks.  The pics definetely help.  I just couldn't imagine me sleeping with the amount of tape they put on in the center without me jerking them out.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 05:29:55 PM »

Here's my tape method in handy video form

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7996438588639581287#
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2009, 07:34:53 AM »

Thanks for the video link Bill....do you sleep with your arm on the table?
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2009, 10:09:52 AM »

I rest my arm on a pillow wedged between me and the table.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2009, 12:10:58 PM »

Bill do you lie in bed or do your dialysis in a chair?
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2009, 12:25:37 PM »

I'm in a chair.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2009, 05:42:10 PM »

My husband goes to bed and does 7 hours.  He had trouble sleeping for about the first 6 months but now he does fine with sleeping. I often have to leave the room because he is snoring so loud!!  He has never had any problems with the needles in his arm.  He wears a moisture sensor on his arm.  He wears a t shirt with a pocket on it to bed to put the part of the sensor that beeps in.  The machine rarely alarms during the night.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2009, 10:35:47 PM »

I get hollered at periodically for thrashing around. They tape it down really good. I am in center nocturnal.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2009, 07:39:03 AM »

I did do nocturnal at home for six months...but alone.  I didn't run into any problems...just secure well.  I have always been use to keeping my access arm still.  I prop it in a pillow.  I have never slept on that arm..the only way I have slept is on my back or on my right side. 

They didn't have any sensoring system for me.  Maybe it wasn't available at the time...it was 10 years ago.  I went in-center afterwards and been on it since. 

You'll do fine.  Yes the pics and video were a great help!
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2009, 07:46:45 PM »

Here's my tape method in handy video form

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7996438588639581287#

That's what I do.
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