Alternatives to holiday meals

[sandman]

I see so many posts about what a dialysis and/or diabetic patients can't have in their diets but there is rarely any talk about about what they CAN have. 

Can anyone post a list of foods that ARE acceptable and alternatives to somethings you can't have?  Reason why I am asking is because holidays that suggest large meals with foods NO ONE should be eating are coming up and I want to know what Angie can eat.

[angieskidney]

Ya I particularly want to know of any alternatives to potatos and I have only found cauliflower ..

http://members.tripod.com/carbaddicts-ivil/recipes/veggies/mashedfauxtatoes.htm

http://lowcarb.health-hack.com/recipes/basic-mashed-fauxtatoes/

but I thought for sure I had heard of something else here but I can't find it


** for those that don't know french, faux means false.

[Zach]

Ya I particularly want to know of any alternatives to potatos and I have only found cauliflower ..

http://members.tripod.com/carbaddicts-ivil/recipes/veggies/mashedfauxtatoes.htm

http://lowcarb.health-hack.com/recipes/basic-mashed-fauxtatoes/

but I thought for sure I had heard of something else here but I can't find it


** for those that don't know french, faux means false.

The first recipe calls for 1 pound of cauliflower, about 5 servings.
1 pound = about 453 grams of cauliflower = 875 mg  and 159 mg phosphorus.
divided by 5 = 175 mg of potassium and 31 mg of phosphorus per serving.

Sounds like a great alternative!  Thanks Angie.     

[Sara]

Turkey is ok, right?  And mashed cauliflower is good, I've had that before.  Or soak the potatoes to make the mashed potatoes a little better.  For dessert...apple pie would be better than pumpkin pie right?

[angieskidney]

Turkey is ok, right?  And mashed cauliflower is good, I've had that before.  Or soak the potatoes to make the mashed potatoes a little better.  For dessert...apple pie would be better than pumpkin pie right?

Exactly! 

[angieskidney]

Also here is an interesting on for dessert

I Can't Believe It's Not Pumpkin Pie!

Ingredients:

3 cups (750 ml)carrots, boiled
1 egg white
150 ml half and half cream
1 Tbsp (15 ml) all purpose white flour
1 tsp (5 ml) vanilla extract
1 Graham cracker pie crust

Instructions:

In blender, container or large mixing bowl, cover and blend or beat all ingredients except crust until well blended. Pour into crust. Bake on bottom rack of preheated 375°F (190°C) oven until knife inserted near center comes out clean, about 55 to 60 minutes. Cool on wire rack. Serve warm or chilled with a dollop of whipping cream or Cool Whip.

NUTRIENT CONTENT PER SLICE: 6 mmol (234 mg) potassium

Serves 6


(sorry for the double post .. you know I usually don't do that .. but I was multi-tasking between 2 forums  .)

[goofynina]

OMG,  What about tamales?? anyone know anything about their content, i know they mustn't be good in anything but they are a tradition in my home 

[sandman]

This is good.  keep the input coming.  I want to know what are acceptable foods and what are acceptable alternatives to foods that are not.

So far, I got...
cauliflower replaces potatos
apple pie replaces pumpkin pie
use carrots instead of pumpkin for pies

[Epoman]

I see so many posts about what a dialysis and/or diabetic patients can't have in their diets but there is rarely any talk about about what they CAN have. 

Can anyone post a list of foods that ARE acceptable and alternatives to somethings you can't have?  Reason why I am asking is because holidays that suggest large meals with foods NO ONE should be eating are coming up and I want to know what Angie can eat.

Honestly, I will say it again like I have before, just eat what you want just in it in moderation, and take a few more binders than normal. I have always enjoyed my holiday feasts. Eating the usual turkey, ham and all the fixings AND Tamales since I am half hispanic. I guess it is easier for since I am not a diabetic. Through out the year I enjoy OJ, Chocolate, Cheese, Milk, I just eat it in moderation. I have always eaten what I wanted, again just in moderation.  Now where did I put my Hersey Buttercups?

[kitkatz]

I hear you Epoman and I agree.  My blood work comes out usually okay because I know what to eat and what to avoid for me.  Not everyone is alike.  There are some people who cannot cheat on the diet like you and I can.  Their bodies just do NOT allow it.  Bummer for them.My phosphorous will run high, but so is my PTH and it is all interconnected. 

[goofynina]

The way i see it, we can be faithful (and miserable) on the diet and die tomorrow, OR, we can eat a little, be happy and still die tomorrow, (but we'd be happy) 

[kitkatz]

That is to true Goofynina.  The only problem is food is not supposed to bring us happiness.  All the commercials on TV say it will, and all the magazine ads say food will create a happy world for you.  Hah!  Food is supposed to sustain you for your life, so you can go have fun and do things.  I really need to work on this part of my life and put food last, instead of first, second and third.  I wish it was easy!

[angieskidney]

That is to true Goofynina.  The only problem is food is not supposed to bring us happiness.  All the commercials on TV say it will, and all the magazine ads say food will create a happy world for you.  Hah!  Food is supposed to sustain you for your life, so you can go have fun and do things.  I really need to work on this part of my life and put food last, instead of first, second and third.  I wish it was easy!

The sad thing is ... it does bring ME happiness! And I can't have all the goodies that make me happy!!

So far I have eliminated chocolate and chocolate milk and white milk and grilled cheese sandwiches and mac&Cheese from my diet.

But every once in awhile I have a tiny bit with binders

Heck I am human right?



But the foods I don't have as hard of a time with as drinks! I have a very hard time with that when family and friends get together and everyone is drinking and you have to watch and can't even just enjoy water all night as you are limited That is what I hate most about my health ..

[BigSky]

OMG,  What about tamales?? anyone know anything about their content, i know they mustn't be good in anything but they are a tradition in my home 

A 2.5 ounce portion of meat tamale has               182 calories,   230 Na, 154 K, 80 PO4.
A 2.5 ounce portion of meatless tamale has          165 calories,   262 Na, 143 K, 61 PO4.

If it is a commercial then sodium is going to be far higher.  Also take note of portion size.   2.5 ounces doesn't sound like all that much.


The best thing to do with foods is to make them from scratch and then one can limit what types of ingredients go into it and thus control K and PO4, Na levels of the food.

[goofynina]

Well thank you for ruining my Christmas BigSky,  i look forward to unwrapping them tamales more than i do the gifts    but thank you so much for the info, 

[Sara]

The best thing to do with foods is to make them from scratch and then one can limit what types of ingredients go into it and thus control K and PO4, Na levels of the food.

I think you're right.  I am going to attempt that with chicken pot pie and pizza, 2 things that Joe likes.  See what I can come up with. 

[Epoman]

Well thank you for ruining my Christmas BigSky,  i look forward to unwrapping them tamales more than i do the gifts    but thank you so much for the info, 

Well I'll probaly eat 7 o 8 tamales for Thanksgiving PLUS the traditional turkey and ham 

[sandman]

The best thing to do with foods is to make them from scratch and then one can limit what types of ingredients go into it and thus control K and PO4, Na levels of the food.

I think you're right.  I am going to attempt that with chicken pot pie and pizza, 2 things that Joe likes.  See what I can come up with. 

I like those too.  Can I come over for dinner? 

[Panda_9]

Not everyone can really eat what they want, even if it is in moderation. And taking a few "extra" binders isnt going to stop other things like potassium. As Ive said many times before, I am one of those who just cannot eat out of the limits at all. I get spiking potassium after dialysis (conventional), so I have to be so so careful. More than 2 slices of tomato and my K goes up past 5-6. GET TO KNOW YOUR LIMITS!.

[Sara]

Not everyone can really eat what they want, even if it is in moderation.

I agree.  That's why I love having these threads that people can post suggestions on things that actually go along with the renal diet.  It's so difficult trying to do it on your own.  Dieticians are really no help. 

[mallory]

Here's a link to a Kidney Foundation of Canada website that has recipes for a whole Thanksgiving dinner.  They have a bunch of other recipes, as well:

http://www.kidney.ab.ca/kitchen/menus.html#thanksgiving

I hate to be stupid, but do you have Thanksgiving in Canada?  Is it the same day as it is in the U.S.?

[sandman]

Here's a link to a Kidney Foundation of Canada website that has recipes for a whole Thanksgiving dinner.  They have a bunch of other recipes, as well:

http://www.kidney.ab.ca/kitchen/menus.html#thanksgiving

I hate to be stupid, but do you have Thanksgiving in Canada?  Is it the same day as it is in the U.S.?

Good link Mallory, thanks.

And yes.  Canada DOES celebrate thanksgiving but, if I'm not mistaken,  it is nearly 1 month ahead of the US thanksgiving day.

[angieskidney]

Here's a link to a Kidney Foundation of Canada website that has recipes for a whole Thanksgiving dinner.  They have a bunch of other recipes, as well:

http://www.kidney.ab.ca/kitchen/menus.html#thanksgiving

I hate to be stupid, but do you have Thanksgiving in Canada?  Is it the same day as it is in the U.S.?

Very good link and JUST IN TIME!! 

For all of you who do not know, THIS MONDAY October 9th is the Canadian Thanksgiving!! 

[okarol]