On another board (Angry Rant).

[Paul]

 
I most often need to loose 3.5 to 4 litres three times a week. Since the average amount of blood in a petite person with good kidneys is about 4 litres, I jokingly posted on another board (not a dialysis board) that I am drained of three small people a week. You would not believe the anger that produced. I got told this was impossible, that I was lying, that I was misinformed etc, some of it in quite rude terms. Posts like "Why don't you go and read up on how dialysis works? You clearly haven't a clue." But to me the stupidest was from someone who had actually been on dialysis themselves (since had a transplant) who said that 4 litres was impossible, and that the medical term for this was "bleeding to death".

I kept arguing that this was true, got constant abuse. Eventually a moderator posted to say she did not believe it, so why don't I check with the nurses at the dialysis clinic. So I did and posted the nurses reply (I knew what it would be already, I only asked for the benefit of the board). They said I did indeed loose this much per session. I got a lot of replies telling me that the nurses were wrong, and a couple that were very insulting to the nurses. Still many of the posts were rude to me.

Now I can understand people assuming I had made a mistake, but I cannot understand the rude way some of them posted their disbelief. And I find it disgusting that they automatically assumed that the dialysis nurses did not know their business simply because what the nurses said disagreed with what they wanted to believe.

As someone once said "The more I learn about people, the more I like dogs."


 

[MooseMom]

Well, that's odd.

Maybe those people thought you were being drained of blood, not fluid.  There IS a difference!

Many people don't like it when they are proven to be incorrect, and they get defensive.  Maybe that's what happened here?

[Paul]

Maybe those people thought you were being drained of blood, not fluid.

Oh that started another long argument. Word of advice: never call it fluid, I didn't but someone else posting did. This resulted in me getting several replies claiming that the only stuff lost was the dialysis fluid and that no liquid actually left my body and I was an idiot to think otherwise.

[Michael Murphy]

Very few things I know of have the level of ignorance that most people have with dialysis.thinking you will get understanding from non dialysis internet trolls is a mistake.  Too many use the internet to show their intelligence while actually showing their ignorance.   Arguing with these types is like wrestling pig in the mud you get dirty and the pig enjoys it.  You were right they were wrong let it go remember ignorance is cureable stupidity is for life.

[Charlie B53]

Time, the duration over which Dialysis occurs is critical to the safe removal of excess fluid from the body.

Removing much 'fluid' from the circulating volume of blood has to 'thicken' the remaining volume.  Removing a large volume in a short time could conceivably thicken the blood to a point the heart is barely able to beat and pump the blood.

Extending the length of time can allow the body to 're-absorb' fluid that may have been leaked out of the circulation system, pooling in the flesh throughout the body.  Only be this fluids re-absorption and again becoming part of that circulating volume, may much of that excess fluid be removed.

It is entirely possible for chronically over-hydrated persons to have 5, 6, 7, or even 8 liters removed in one 4 hour dialysis session.

It scares me when I weigh in at even 3 over.

I will stay careful.

[Bill Peckham]

The only way urinators understand is if you put it in terms of pee. Try rephrasing:

Did you know that the average 40 kilo person has about 4 liters of blood and that an average large urinator pees about that much every couple of days, which is why Australians (I have little doubt) say Oy! When I woke up this morning I had to piss off a short person.

To which the proper response is, Crikey!

As someone who use hemodialysis that's why I say I be drained three short people a week, yaarg.

(Pirate speak also makes arguments more convincing online and off ... yaarg)

[GA_DAWG]

I do find that when you speak in pirate, most people stop arguing with you.

[Simon Dog]

and that the medical term for this was "bleeding to death".

The medical term is "exsanguination".  Medical people would not use the term "bleeding to death" unless they were speaking to a non-medical person they suspected had a limited vocabulary.

I do find that when you speak in pirate, most people stop arguing with you.

That's because they start thinking about the beer volcano and stripper factory.














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[Paul]

I do find that when you speak in pirate, most people stop arguing with you.

I find that when I speak in pirate, nice men in pretty white coats come and let me rest in a comfy room with soft padded walls.

[cassandra]

                  

[Charlie B53]

I do find that when you speak in pirate, most people stop arguing with you.

I find that when I speak in pirate, nice men in pretty white coats come and let me rest in a comfy room with soft padded walls.

LOL

I learned long ago that there are a lot of things NOT to say to a Veterans Administration Dr.   Those nice young men in the clean white coats will keep calling and calling, wanting to get you to come in to 'talk'.

I ain't falling for it.   

Oh, I still go to the VA for all my care.  I am VERY careful what words fall out of my mouth.

[GA_DAWG]

Assuming "aaaarrrrrgh" might be one of those words?

[Charlie B53]

 I have learned that a Wise Man knows when to keep his mouth SHUT!

I admit that it took me a number of years of Marriage to learn this.

[Charlie B53]

Being the 'Wise Man' that I like to THINK that I am,

I also get to have the last words in every arguement with my Wife!








































Yes, Dear.

[Thesunwillshinetomorrow]

Speaking of Pirates...hahahah...too funny.
Made me think of this

https://youtu.be/JImcvtJzIK8

[GA_DAWG]

I ave definitely found it useful to speak pirate to people who PROVE they do not have a clue what they are talking about. Or sometimes just say, "oh, you're probably right and I was wrong. Have a nice day." Then walk off.