Whole Wheat

[renalwife]

I went to the dietitian the other day and she said that whole wheat bread, pasta and cereal was just fine.  Instead of white bread, she told me to eat whole wheat bread; whole wheat pasta instead of white pasta; whole wheat cereal and oat meal instead of rice krispies or cornflakes.

Has anyone ever heard of this?  For years, it has been drilled into me that whole wheat was absolutely a no no.

[MooseMom]

I went to the dietitian the other day and she said that whole wheat bread, pasta and cereal was just fine.  Instead of white bread, she told me to eat whole wheat bread; whole wheat pasta instead of white pasta; whole wheat cereal and oat meal instead of rice krispies or cornflakes.

Has anyone ever heard of this?  For years, it has been drilled into me that whole wheat was absolutely a no no.

No, I have NEVER heard this!!  God, I wish it were true!!  Are you absolutely sure you didn't just mishear her?  You're right...this goes against everything we've been taught.  All I can think of is the possibility that if you are diabetic, the "phosphorus risk" may be deemed less than the "carb risk", but I don't know that much about diabetes. 

I'm baffled and would love to know more.

[willowtreewren]

We were also told to choose whole wheat over white. 

[WishIKnew]

I've always been told to go white - avoid wheat breads and pastas and brown rice.  I'd love to know more about what your dietitian was thinking?

[sullidog]

my dietition told me that rice crispys didn't have phos, can't remember what she said about white/wheet but will ask her tomorrow.

[renalwife]

The dietitian said something about the reaction of yeast with whole grain and that reduced or negated the phos.  Now I not talking about whole bran.  Like All Bran Cereal.  But she said Raisin Bran and Wheaties was O.K.  Also this is from studies from the last 2 years.  But I just can't wrap my mind around that. First:  She admitted she is not a 'renal dietitian' per say.  But that she has done a lot of research for some (I don't know who) company.  And she said she has renal patients and also dialysis patients. 

[boswife]

Boy, would i love to KNOW for sure about this.  I miss having what 'i' like too and not having to do the cooking for both all the time..  Wow, that would be a great break through nutrition as well...

[ESRD Survivor]

On the list of high posh foods, whole wheat bread was on it.  I was told white bread and the like was ok.  I eat whole wheat toast about 1-2 times a week because it is lower in carbs.  I just make sure I take my binders with it.

[renalwife]

I e-mailed my neph.  NO! whole wheat, no brown rice, no wild rice, and no whole wheat pasta.  The party is over. 

A Renal Dietitian must be consulted.  A regular dietitian is very good for nutrition, and even tho s/he may have kidney patients, that does not make  she/him renal dietitian.

[WishIKnew]

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted!  LOL

[kitkatz]

I am on the O Blood diet food plan.  No wheat, corn, corn syrup, or gluten.  Supposedly bad for O blood types.  I feel better, but then I am not in school teaching all day either, so I have substituted rice for carbs and have found other types of bread like rye and rice bread to eat for sandwiches.  Lordy, there is whole bunch of wheat out here in the grocery stores!

[paris]

After transplant, I was told to have whole wheat vs. white.     

And Kitkatz, how have I never heard of this before?  Just when I think I know what I am doing, someone posts something totally new to me.  But, then again, I may have heard this and with my memory-- everything is brand new each time!   

[Desert Dancer]

I went to the dietitian the other day

A dietician, or a RENAL dietician? Whole grain ANYthing has always been on the banned list for dialysis patients - to the best of my knowledge - and shows up on every handout I've ever been given. No brown rice, no whole wheat bread, no oatmeal, etc.

If she is a renal dietician, I'd seriously question whether she knows what she's talking about.

[MooseMom]

Renalwife, at least now you know!

[babycake]

i like wheat
but i have been eating white bread before i even got on dialysis
and the dietian at dialysis would even tell you its a no no for wheat
i noticed if you go to several differnt diateian they will give you differnt results
for one would know and the other wouldnt no crap

[jbeany]

Well, it also depends on your individual lab results.  If the person with ESRD doesn't have a problem with phos, then whole wheat would be the healthier choice.  Heck, I had low potassium for a bit and actually was told to eat bananas and citrus until it leveled back out.

[babycake]

I am on the O Blood diet food plan.  No wheat, corn, corn syrup, or gluten.  Supposedly bad for O blood types.  I feel better, but then I am not in school teaching all day either, so I have substituted rice for carbs and have found other types of bread like rye and rice bread to eat for sandwiches.  Lordy, there is whole bunch of wheat out here in the grocery stores!

what the HECK is o blood diet food plan
NEVER HEARD SUCH A THING!!!!!

[jbeany]

http://www.dadamo.com/

It's based on the theory that different blood types have different metabolic needs.

[Marina]

very  interesting,  I  had never heard of  this  Type  0   diet  either.  I'll have to  look  into  it  too.

Thanks  for the  link.

[babycake]

it might be interesting
i kept the page
but you figure your doc would had mention something
how did you find this info
or did your doc actually state this to you
for im a little leary about this
for it has never been stated
STRANGE!!!!!

[jbeany]

I don't know where Kit found it - it's been around for a while, though.  I remember my MIL trying it years ago.  I do think certain diets work better for different people, but I don't know if it's blood type or metabolism or genetics or what.

After all the different things my sister and I have tried, I know that a low carb diet works best for us.  My sister has lost over 50 pounds, while eating only fruit for her carbs for the day.  I've stayed the same weight for months even without exercising (since I can't right now because of a massive hernia) by simply cutting out bread and crackers and still eating a daily dose of milk chocolate.

It's also partly about food habits.  If you find a diet that helps you keep away from the things you are most likely to over-indulge in, then it's much easier to lose weight.  A low carb diet keeps me from eating too many potatoes, bread and crackers, which I always overdo when I have them.  I know someone who was losing a ton of weight on one of those "nutritional supplements"  that included directions stating something like, "Take 1 Tablespoon mixed into water at 8 pm nightly.  Do not eat for at least 6 hours after supplement."  Well, duh - it could have been a Tablespoon of water added to the water and it would have made him lose weight - he stopped snacking while he watched TV every night.