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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: F.A.Q. (Frequently Asked Questions) => Topic started by: romeokdg on July 11, 2006, 08:05:29 PM
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Does anyone drink or smoke at this stage in their life's?. Just curious because I was a drinker and smoker before ESRD. I also still drink every now and then and I smoke even more now that I am dealing with this.
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Does anyone drink or smoke at this stage in their life's?. Just curious because I was a drinker and smoker before ESRD. I also still drink every now and then and I smoke even more now that I am dealing with this.
My Nephrologist told me to quite smoking so I did. I have been a non-smoker now for 5 years since November of 2001. Since I had to quit smoking and this was BEFORE smoking was banned from bars in my city (ya you heard me right) I decided to stop drinking as well. I stopped going to bars because all the smoke was too tempting for me and my throat would get so dry from the smoke in the bars that I would want to drink more ...
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Ewww hell no, never smoked never will, it is a discusting habit. Used to drink, but since getting ESRD I can barely stand a sip of alcohol.
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I had my stint with smoking in my teen years but nothing long term.
I also had my stint with alcohol in my teen years ( no drinking age in Europe >:D ) but got over that phase real quick.
The years before ESRD I was a moderate drinker on the weekends but rarely with excess at least compared to some of my friends who were drunk through their whole weekends :-\
Since I have found out about my ESRD, I will have a drink every now and then maybe one two or three in the same night, but that's very rare every other month or so.
What really got to me with ESRD is I couldn't drink tea anymore. I could have a real small cup but if I had a large quantity it made me feel well ill :-[
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I had my stint with smoking in my teen years but nothing long term.
I also had my stint with alcohol in my teen years ( no drinking age in Europe >:D ) but got over that phase real quick.
The years before ESRD I was a moderate drinker on the weekends but rarely with excess at least compared to some of my friends who were drunk through their whole weekends :-\
Since I have found out about my ESRD, I will have a drink every now and then maybe one two or three in the same night, but that's very rare every other month or so.
What really got to me with ESRD is I couldn't drink tea anymore. I could have a real small cup but if I had a large quantity it made me feel well ill :-[
Really? I love tea but I am glad I am fine with it. I just can't go overboard with the amount.
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I will still have a glass of wine when I go out to dinner, but I love ice water and can't get enough of it, so I don't usually want to waste my allowable quantity on booze. I have smoked in the past some, but not anymore.
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Guilty as charged your honor. If i know i am going to drink (mostly margaritas) then i watch my intake for that day and as for smoking, ugh, yes, i do admit i have a smoke right before i hook up, sometimes, sometimes i just dont smoke, but if i feel i need to relax, then i fire it up, i also do enjoy a shot of tequila now and then too.
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I gave up the drinking, but smoke like a chimney. The smoking has to stop too, as it is one of the last steps for me to get on the transplant list. That will be a hurdle, been smoking since age 12, I'm now 45
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I drink all the time...but then again im a student.
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I just found out today my uncle is dying of lung cancer. :'( I hope you all can find the strength and desire to quit.
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I have never smoked (except for one 555 when I was 16), and hardly ever drink alcholic beverages, although I am not against them. [Does the wine at the Lord's Supper count?] Just wasn't my family's culture. My dad would get gifts of bottles of liquor and they would stay in our cupboards. He would use them as re-gifts to other people!
However, where smoking is concerned, I remember that this was one of the things that gave Jamie a definite problem.
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"Does anyone drink or smoke at this stage in their life's?"
I've never been much of a drinker, except for Dr. Pepper, it smoking that has me hooked! I have smoked since I was very young, 12/13 yrs. old. I am constantly in the process of quiting smoking. It's the hardest thing I've ever had to change. I have just been given some other suggestions; read, set a date, don't buy cigs. when I am near my quit date, etc... So I am going to try again, and try reading, playing video games, etc... to quit smoking.
Part of me wants to quit really bad and then the other part of me that does not want to quit. I do want to be healthier, maybe give a transplant a try, live longer, not have breathing problems, etc... God how I wish I'd never started smoking!
wreepete
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I have never smoked. I can count the amount of drinks I have had on my fingers, maybe up to eight my entire life. Raised in a strict household when growing up. My Dad smoked like achimney around us all of the time and I could barely breathe when I was growing up. I hated the smoking. He smoke pipes, cigars, cigarrettes up till the day he died of lung and pancreatic cancer. It took him fast. In the 60s less was known about 2nd hand smoke dangers, than now. I have been very lucky. Worst habit I have is food.
Katherine
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I smoked for many years and have been smoke free for nearly 13 years now. Hardest thing I ever did! My reason at the time was that I had to have a tooth pulled and did not want to experience a dry-socket again! That was super painful, the packing, removal, repacking, it was just horrid. Then I went one day, said 'why not 2?' and that is how I finally made it (plus the help of a great supporter and cheerleader!) Haven't chanced putting another cig. to my lips to this day, don't even want to go there, too tough! I do have a strong aversion to smoke now and it ruins my meal to be near smokers in restaurants, but that is a good thing! My children's father, a heavy smoker, passed away 2 years ago from lung cancer that spread to his brain, etc. what a horrible way to go!!! I have given the book Quit Smoking the Easy Way by Allen Carr to several people for Christmas, and it has worked for each and every one that read it- even years later, still not smoking! I bought several copies on E-Bay at once. I hope this helps those of you that want desperately to help yourselves and live longer and better for your loved ones! Best of luck, Anja
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hardly ever drink alcholic beverages, although I am not against them. [Does the wine at the Lord's Supper count?]
Naw ... that doesn't count. Wine at Holy Communion I have never counted towards me being any kind of drinker :P
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I don't drink any alcoholic beverages except for that rare special occasion drink or maybe a sip of wine at diner. I do smoke though. Been meaning to quite but it's not as easy as it sounds. Been smoking since I was 16 and I'm 38 now. Thankfully, it's only about 1 pack a day. I know some people who smoke 3 or more packs a day and it's crazy.
@ bajanne2000, What is a 555?
except for one 555 when I was 16
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Is that the same as 420?? lol
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Is that the same as 420?? lol
And what's a 420? You guys have me lost with these numbers things.
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Is that the same as 420?? lol
And what's a 420? You guys have me lost with these numbers things.
at least I know what a 420 is but I don't think I have ever heard of a 555...
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There was a brand of cigarette called 555, back in the 60s. Don't know if they still exist. DuMaurier, I think they were.
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420 is a marijuana cigarette ;D
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There was a brand of cigarette called 555, back in the 60s. Don't know if they still exist. DuMaurier, I think they were.
Oh I used to smoke MuMaurier (the red pack) and Player's (the blue pack) ;)
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Is that the same as 420?? lol
And what's a 420? You guys have me lost with these numbers things.
at least I know what a 420 is but I don't think I have ever heard of a 555...
You knew what a "420" was and you didn't tell me? :P I never heard of anyone calling weed, 420. That's a new one on me and I thought I heard them all. ::)
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You'd be surprised what i know about weed :o 8)
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You'd be surprised what i know about weed :o 8)
Somehow, that does not shock me. ;)
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lol Jeff I only found out the term last year. My brother told me. And besides, you didn't ask me ;)
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lol Jeff I only found out the term last year. My brother told me. And besides, you didn't ask me ;)
Umm, your right. I didn't ask you what a 420 was but I did ask you what a 555 was and you didn't know. This is a public message board, is it not? If someone could answer a question put toward someone else, is it against the rules to answer it?
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Sandmansa, anyone can answer any question that is given just like anyone can read any posts that is written. We are all here to help each other, that is why we are so awesome ;)
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Sandmansa, anyone can answer any question that is given just like anyone can read any posts that is written. We are all here to help each other, that is why we are so awesome ;)
hehehhe we are awesome aren't we? :D Why? Because we all come together to support each other!!
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I enjoyed a beer or 2 and a glass of red but over the last few months as my function has got worse i don't seem to enjoy it anymore just doesn't taste the same . Never smoked which is a bonus.
Cheers
Charee
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I enjoyed a beer or 2 and a glass of red but over the last few months as my function has got worse i don't seem to enjoy it anymore just doesn't taste the same . Never smoked which is a bonus.
Cheers
Charee
Ya I noticed as my kidney function dwindled so did my desire for the foods I normally loved.
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actually 420 isn't a "marijuana cigarette"...420, is the "official" weed #...so basically huge stoners smoke up at 4:20 every day
and on april 20th theres a huge "smoking get together" or whatever....
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420, is the "official" weed #...so basically huge stoners smoke up at 4:20 every day
and on april 20th theres a huge "smoking get together" or whatever....
Are you serious??
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yeah...all the stoners at school are always excited when its 4:20...especially on april 20th
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Yeah, right! And I bet you there is a bridge you want to sell us too!
By the way, Congrats on reaching your 200 mark!!
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Mmmhmmmm, you sure do know alot of this "420" business, whats up with that?? lol, *scratches chin* tell me more, i am listening :P
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Well, I´m with Goofynina on an occasional "marguerita" ! Not very often but once in a blue moon is sure nice. I smoked for 30 years and then stopped ten years ago. Thank God! I can breath now. My doctor say that for every cigarette we smoke as Dx patients, we should do an extra hour on the machine!!!
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420, is the "official" weed #...so basically huge stoners smoke up at 4:20 every day
and on April 20th theres a huge "smoking get together" or whatever....
Are you serious??
Hyperlite is completely correct about the whole 420 thing. It is basically ritual for some pot smokers to light up at 4:20 everyday. Twice if they are awake for both am and pm. I don't know where it came from but it does exist.
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I thought 420 was common knowledge. ???
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I thought 420 was common knowledge. ???
I never heard about that till I heard it here. Obviously not THAT common knowledge.
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I thought 420 was common knowledge. ???
I never heard about that till I heard it here. Obviously not THAT common knowledge.
Ya and I only heard about it the last few years .. not when I used to .. I mean .. not when .. bah nevermind :P :-[
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Never smoked, just other peoples in billiard/snooker halls. Never had weed, smelt it, when my mates smoked it in the billiard/snooker halls. Drink >:D only whisky. You missed one of the big three out gambling. All my mates did all three.I just did two the drinking and the gambling. Once again in the billiard/snooker halls. Then down in the back room of the hall for cards poker, 3 card, shoot nearly any card game you could gamble on. Then to make it even worse we all used to go down to the casino at least twice a week. Boy talk about wasting a lot of money, we were all idiots! Not gambled now for ten years. Did not get into trouble with it, but a few of my friends did. So lesson learnt.
Kevno
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I don't do a whole lot of either anymore - but the three of us know each other well.
I used to always light one up (this is after I "quit" mind you) after treatment if my bp was too low. Now i bump it up with a pickle.
As far as drinking goes, I've quit beer due to its horrible desired-effect:quantity ratio. I've instead learned the marvel of the vodka shot (marrying a Russian helped).
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KEVNO is BACK! Welcome back! Hope all is well for you! I held on tothe big stick for you while you were gone.
Sounds dirty doesn't it???? >:D >:D >:D
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You missed one of the big three out gambling.
Well, I don't drink because I don't like to be incapacitated. I don't smoke weed or do drugs for the same reason but I do smoke cigarette's. I don't gamble. Never have, never will. I just don't see the attraction to throwing away money at random chance.
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I grew up in a smoking household and have hated it since I was small. Had my first date with my husband stop
smoking if he wanted to continue to date me...which was 31 years of marriage.
I completely stopped drinking when my BUN was going up in 2003. Now that I am on dialysis, I have had some
martini's but get "drunk" on just one, do where is the fun in that? Besides, it makes me sooooooo thirsty and
need to be careful not to consume too much.
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You missed one of the big three out gambling.
Well, I don't drink because I don't like to be incapacitated. I don't smoke weed or do drugs for the same reason but I do smoke cigarette's. I don't gamble. Never have, never will. I just don't see the attraction to throwing away money at random chance.
Thats funny, I consider smoking cigarettes "throwing away money".
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Yeah, that's true but with smoking, you at least get the pleasure to see your money burn. ::) Instead of with gambling, handing over your cash to someone else so they can buy a new car or something. Either way, your throwing away your hard earned money. I know it's not an excuse. It's just a deductive incite.
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Hmmmm, Sandmansa, my friend just won $11,000.00 at a casino off of $20.00. Guess she is the one who will be buying the new car ;) It's all about gambling....
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Hmmmm, Sandmansa, my friend just won $11,000.00 at a casino off of $20.00.
Luck was definitely in favor of your friend that night.
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Yeah, that's true but with smoking, you at least get the pleasure to see your money burn. ::) Instead of with gambling, handing over your cash to someone else so they can buy a new car or something. Either way, your throwing away your hard earned money. I know it's not an excuse. It's just a deductive incite.
Your just giving the money back to the greedy government ;)
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Hmmmm, Sandmansa, my friend just won $11,000.00 at a casino off of $20.00.
Luck was definitely in favor of your friend that night.
Sandman I hate to say it but if we are talking logic ... it is more logical because you MAY win .. where as smoking .. well I quit because I realized awhile ago how dumb it was ... especially with being on dialysis. You are not on dialysis so I can't tell you it is bad for you (even though it is bad for your lungs and heart) but you can only quit if you want to. I quit because I found my reason to quit and because my Nephrologist told me to quit and I wanted to anyway by that point in my life. I had told myself that I would not smoke when I have kids .. and even though I don't have any .. I eventually want to have some and provide them a smoke free upbringing.
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Until recently my father, who is 56, had smoked since he was 12 years old. Up until now he hadnt had any symptoms of any problems. After having a persistant ulcer on his leg, they discovered he had a 70% blockage in the illiac artery. They also found out he had mild lupus. This was enough to scare him into quitting. He used to say he didnt want to give up, but now somethings wrong (probly due to smoking), he couldnt give up quick enough. He used the patches, and although it wasnt easy, he did it. I am still in shock because no one thought he could do it, and now he actually says to me "gee now I know why you said I stink!". If he can do it, anyone can.
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Until recently my father, who is 56, had smoked since he was 12 years old. Up until now he hadnt had any symptoms of any problems. After having a persistant ulcer on his leg, they discovered he had a 70% blockage in the illiac artery. They also found out he had mild lupus. This was enough to scare him into quitting. He used to say he didnt want to give up, but now somethings wrong (probly due to smoking), he couldnt give up quick enough. He used the patches, and although it wasnt easy, he did it. I am still in shock because no one thought he could do it, and now he actually says to me "gee now I know why you said I stink!". If he can do it, anyone can.
Ya some people find it extremely hard to do! I think the younger you start the harder it is! I don't think it is necessarily how long you have smoked. I smoked since I was 17 and quit 5 years ago in 2001 and I am 32 (will be 33 in Nov).
I did it slowly as there was NO way I could have done it cold turkey! No way in hell!!
I went to lighter and lighter brands every month and quit slowly over the course of a whole year. But I still could not just quit ... not until the Neph told me I had to. Then that was the kick in the butt I needed ;)
At the end I would only take drags of a smoke when I wanted one. It was easier quitting slowly like that. At the very end I would smoke the yucky brand smokes .. that made it easier lol!!
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Keep in mind Angie, everyone who quits quits cold turkey.
At some point you stop smoking - even if you taper down your dosage.
You're right though, one can't quit until they decide they really want to. Meaning, you get to the point where you don't enjoy doing it anymore, and you hate the way you smell.
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I know I should quit smoking but I am just not motivated enough. Now, if my doctor told me that I had to quit or else or if I was expecting a baby to grace my life, well that would definitely be strong motivation. Simply telling me that smoking "could" open the door to serious health risks or telling me "these things will kill you" just doesn't hit home, if you know what I mean?
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My dad used the patches, think it took him about 3-4 months. Quitting cold turkey and quitting with patches are two completely different things. Cold turkey means you immediately deprive your body of nicotine and all the other 4000 chemicals in smokes, and using patches allows you to wean yourself free. Of course you stop the patches at some point, but you are stopping when your body is used to alot less nicotine. If you get what I mean?
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Yeah, I get what you mean. Normally, I smoke about a pack and a half a day but those times I go to visit Angie, I smoke about a half a pack or so a day. My just spending time with her distracts me from lighting up as often. Now mind you, cutting my smoking down by half in one day does tend to make me a little more testy for a few days until my body adjusts to the lowed nicotine.
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How many is in a pack?
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How many is in a pack?
20 cigarettes in a pack?
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Wow, thats a lot to have in one day. If only I could get my sister to give up. Since she got with this new boyfriend she is smoking again and started drinking - never was a drinker before that. She has just found out she may have Lupus (same as dad), I hope she can give up too, and preferably get a decent boyfriend lol
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Yes, I know it's alot and I do want to quit. Quitting smoking is just not as easy as say turning off a light switch. Sometimes I wonder if my smoking would be a bad influence on Angie and intice her into wanting to start smoking again. I couldn't live with myself if I was responsible for her wanting to start smoking again. But just my being around her 24/7 and knowing that she does not like me smoking around her, makes it easier for me to cut back and maybe even quit. In that aspect, so far, she has proven to be of a good influence on me rather then my being a bad influence on her. I just hope it stays on that path.
I really hope you can help get your sister to stop smoking and drinking.
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Yes, I know it's a lot and I do want to quit. Quitting smoking is just not as easy as say turning off a light switch. Sometimes I wonder if my smoking would be a bad influence on Angie and intice her into wanting to start smoking again. I couldn't live with myself if I was responsible for her wanting to start smoking again. But just my being around her 24/7 and knowing that she does not like me smoking around her, makes it easier for me to cut back and maybe even quit. In that aspect, so far, she has proven to be of a good influence on me rather then my being a bad influence on her. I just hope it stays on that path.
I really hope you can help get your sister to stop smoking and drinking.
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Well I am glad I am a positive influence on anyone. My mom always believed me to be an impressionable idiot growing up (thus probably why I have no faith in myself and always 2nd-guess everything I do and say and repeat myself a lot .. I think Epoman just discovered this lol :-[ ) but a person can only quit when they are good and ready. Psyching oneself is an important part of the process I have learned from first hand experience. No one can get anyone to quit. Infact that may only make some people more resistant and rebellious considering their personality.
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No one can get anyone to quit. Infact that may only make some people more resistant and rebellious considering their personality.
That's a pretty interesting thought. Has that ever been the case with you?
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Us telling dad how discusting it was made no difference except making him go outside to smoke. What made him quit was the reality that smoking had started to harm his health. And now he has realised just how much it affected us as well. It is so nice to visit them now and there are no clouds of smoke!
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Us telling dad how discusting it was made no difference except making him go outside to smoke. What made him quit was the reality that smoking had started to harm his health. And now he has realised just how much it affected us as well. It is so nice to visit them now and there are no clouds of smoke!
In my city they banned smoking in ALL public places INCLUDING BARS! So it is so nice to go out with my friends and be able to breathe!! It used to be I would know I would be coughing up a lung the next morning but if you wanted to hang out with your smoking friends it was the cost of it. But now .. we can all hang out and if they want to have ME hang out with THEM then we hang out and they keep making trips out the door to smoke and then come back in. Of course now I am dedicated purse watcher ::)
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From reading "Craig's List" occasionally I think 420 is slang for marijuana. Not completely sure but pretty sure.
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I drink a little occasionally. Very little, very occasionally! Supposedly it is good for the heart in moderation and I'm about as moderate a drinker as lives--I figure it is PKD kidneys VS Heart health, but I am very anti-smoking.
Since I am very anti-smoking, first thing my oldest son did to rebel was start to smoke, and of course his younger brother copied him...so I have a son on dialysis who smokes!!! And you absolutely can't persuade anyone else to stop. Bribing and threatening doesn't work too well either... >:D
The more I say, the more he smokes. It REALLY frustrates his father who wants to donate a kidney and fears he will get too old and unhealthy to donate.
I really think some people just get more physically addicted to smoking than others do, plus B says that when he tries to cut back on smoking, his fluid gains are worse. Anyone else notice that problem?
He mentioned to his father that there are herbal cigarettes (not 420's!!!) sage or lavender or some such thing that have no nicotine and that he might be able to use the patches and smoke them instead of tobacco cigarettes and then gradually phase down on the nicotine. That he could smoke the non-nicotine cigarettes and STILL be transplanted since they check for nicotine. Does this make more sense to anyone out there than it does to me? Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
There used to be a few places years ago that would transplant smokers. Are there any now? (I know about the anti-rejection drugs and increase of cancer) just wondering if anyone knew of such an option...Incidentally I really admire Angie and others who stopped smoking! Wish my son had some friends to be good influences on him, the way Sandman has been influenced by Angie--but all his friends SMOKE!!!
Mom 3
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I really think some people just get more physically addicted to smoking than others do, plus B says that when he tries to cut back on smoking, his fluid gains are worse. Anyone else notice that problem?
He mentioned to his father that there are herbal cigarettes (not 420's!!!) sage or lavender or some such thing that have no nicotine and that he might be able to use the patches and smoke them instead of tobacco cigarettes and then gradually phase down on the nicotine. That he could smoke the non-nicotine cigarettes and STILL be transplanted since they check for nicotine. Does this make more sense to anyone out there than it does to me? Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
There used to be a few places years ago that would transplant smokers. Are there any now? (I know about the anti-rejection drugs and increase of cancer) just wondering if anyone knew of such an option...Incidentally I really admire Angie and others who stopped smoking! Wish my son had some friends to be good influences on him, the way Sandman has been influenced by Angie--but all his friends SMOKE!!!
Mom 3
Maybe he gains fluid weight because he wants to "intake something" to make up for not intaking smoke. People are like that with food .. and I find dialysis patients can be like that with fluids .. as for us .. it is a forbidden treat .. if you know what I mean ;)
Ummm.. I have tried the herbal cigarettes before and they taste like $#!T!! There is no way he would stay on those. They are terrible. I couldn't even finish one much less a whole pack! Didn't get me to quit! I just went back to my old brand! The way I quit was slowly and only because I did it on my own terms.
Sandman hasn't quit yet lol but I don't think he is anywhere near wanting to :P My mom wishes he would because she doesn't want him to smoke around me since her mother died of Lung Cander (and never smoked a day in her life) when my mom was just 17. When he wants to .. then he will. But I know .. not before then.
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Herbal cigarettes are no better for you, and I would think they wouldnt transplant you if you smoked those either.
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From reading "Craig's List" occasionally I think 420 is slang for marijuana. Not completely sure but pretty sure.
Nice picture livecam. Is that some sort of book you are reading? sorry if off topic ;)
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@ mom3. I'm not sure if your aware of this or not but those quit smoking patches ( the high dose ones ) pack about as much nicotine as about 8 to 10 cigarettes. But since it is applied to the skin, it can't absorb it very quickly so you get that dose in time laps over several hours. Also, there is some other chemical in those patches that make cigarettes taste awful so that's not such a bad thing. ;)
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He has patches. I bought them (40.00!!) and they are sitting here on the computer desk as I type...
He used about a half a box, only at night, and I thought he slept better using them...? He says that when he goes to the (expensive scary--who knows WHAT is really in those things) herbal cigarettes he will go back to using them for his nicotine! Until he can taper down...
I suspect he isn't planning to TELL the center he is smoking the alternative cigarettes. Just thinks he will pass the test for nicotine, that nobody will test for "lavendar" or whatever.
Needless to say, I think he should just STOP SMOKING yesterday.... He may be the exception and can use them Angie. I suspect he could smoke ANYTHING!
Incidentally he knows I am posting this stuff about him. His response was "Rant on about me, Mom. The more you say ABOUT me, the less you'll say TO ME!" ;D
if I sound frustrated it's because I am. Like a lot of other folks who love a smoker, no doubt.
Mom 3
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I dont know why he would think its ok to smoke herbal cigarettes to get a transplant? I think thats a bit selfish. If they tell you it is a requirement to get one, well you should follow it. If not then you are only cheating yourself and putting yourself at more risk of problems. Im sure they would be able to smell it on him too.
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herbal smokes don't smell like normal smokes. But they also don't have the addictive nicotine in them as well. So I don't know ...
It is hard to quit though. And everyone needs to find what works best for them.
He sounds like my brother who still lives at home with my mom.
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It is hard to quit though. And everyone needs to find what works best for them.
True that! I find that when my stress levels are high, I smoke more and I smoke less when my stress levels are down. I found that when I visit with Angie, my stress levels go WAY down and can go for hours at a time without wanting a cigarette.
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He started the herbal cigarettes today. The clinic dietitian said that at least they won't cause the vascular constriction once-- and if-- he gets off the nicotine. She is checking the herbs out to make sure they aren't particularly bad for a dialysis patient.
If it's his Dad's kidney and his Dad is willing to donate knowing about the herbal cigarettes etc. it doesn't bother me the way it might if he were getting a cadaver kidney that a more compliant person might be able to use...if that makes sense.
When he first started smoking he used to smoke some cloves and tobacco blend that he liked so he says they remind him of them, and like I said, he could smoke ANYTHING!!! For my part, the boxes they come in are pretty and they do smell better than standard tobacco cigarettes. At least the second hand smoke that kills me will be less aversive. I am going to hope that this crazy idea actually works. Nothing else has!!
Mom 3
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The boxes are pretty??? Are you serious???
Inhaling any form of smoke surely has to be bad. There are enough risks as it is after getting a transplant.
Crazy pretty much sums it up. ::)
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Not completely serious!! ;D But they ARE pretty.
I told him to save them and I'd use them to package small Christmas gifts this year. Might as well make the best of the situation. He is smoking them!!
Mom3
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Not completely serious!! ;D But they ARE pretty.
I told him to save them and I'd use them to package small Christmas gifts this year. Might as well make the best of the situation. He is smoking them!!
Mom3
You should mention that to my mom when you email her :) Maybe she can get my brother to use them lol :P
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I drink Jack on the rocks, you get the most bang for the buck with straight whisky. My nephrologist actually told me that! You don't need kidneys for alcohol, just a liver. Got to go, it's almost 4:20.
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That like me a nice whiskey on the rocks, while my mates drink pints. That used to it, it does not bother me one bit about not having a pint to drink. Plus the whiskey is more expensive than a pint ;D I usually go to the club with at least 10 off us, plus girlfriends and ball and chains (wife's). So if I get a round in, I am unlucky >:D
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Why would you not need kidneys for alcohol? They excrete it! And if you are on dialysis well its going to stay in your system until you dialyse, dunno if thats bad or not.
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Why would you not need kidneys for alcohol? They excrete it! And if you are on dialysis well its going to stay in your system until you dialyse, dunno if thats bad or not.
For the most part the alcohol itself would be metabolized by the liver, and excreted through the lungs leaving the byproducts of metabolization and any remaining fluid.
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Being in my twenties I indulge in behavior that is frowned upon by most nephrologists, however I have just been informed that I am now on the Ottawa active list and as a result I quit smoking colts & gave up Gin and Tonics both of which are my weakness.
As of two weeks ago I went into Pre-Transplant training... Exercising daily, following strict diet regime and attempting to get 8 hours of sleep a night, all these things have actually improved my energy level and my mental state... I feel great for the first time in awhile.(Great really means better)
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Pre-Transplant training, now that is a great idea. I've never heard of anything like that here in the U.S. What you are saying makes sense though. I think that if I had known it was coming and had been excersizing and sleeping more rather than trying to get through a large project I would have had an easier time. No smoke no drink here so that was in my favor. I'm off topic so its time to shut up.
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I don't smoke and I don't drink.
That's my story ... and I'm sticking to it! :o
Actually, a Jack Daniels on the rocks, now and then is in order.
And in the hot summer, a Gin & Tonic sounds pretty good, just not too often.
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I quit smoking once I lost the last transplant and started dialysis (PD at the time) and I never drank since that time as well. It was hard to quit smoking but my Neph told me that I had to quit smoking because the nicotine would not be able to get filtered by my failed kidney.
It will be a full 5 years (Nov 2001).
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I smoke, and I enjoy a Bourbon on the rocks or a Scotch and water every now and then... ;)
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Does anyone here who is on hemo ever get quite umm....drunk? I havent touched alcohol since I started dialysis. Ive had one drink here or there or half a drink, but never what I used to drink. Someone told me you stay drunk until you have dialysis, but Ive never actually had that info confirmed.
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I always thought that is what the liver that did the majority of the filtering of alcohol from your system. Or have I been mislead and it's the kidneys the do most of that?
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i drink within my litre a day limit and try my best not to smoke 'cause it just ends up making me feel terrible. i was a smoker for a good 3 years before dialysis.
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Does anyone here who is on hemo ever get quite umm....drunk? I havent touched alcohol since I started dialysis. Ive had one drink here or there or half a drink, but never what I used to drink. Someone told me you stay drunk until you have dialysis, but Ive never actually had that info confirmed.
I've wondered that myself and the only one I knew who would know that is Jamie (http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=57) but he isn't around anymore to ask... I know his health was terrible though .. partly because he was always going into dialysis with 7+kg on him...
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I have never smoked, but I did drink when I had a transplanted kidney and now on dialysis I still go out and drink with my friends. I normally just have shots as I do not want to use up my fluid allowance or might have a small glass of Jack and Coke with lots of ice.
I do know the best cure for a hangover is dialysis. My dietitian even told me to continue to drink as being social helps the mental state of mind. You do not want to withdraw from life, but you do need to let common sense prevail.
Cheers,
Alasdair.
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. My dietitian even told me to continue to drink as being social helps the mental state of mind. You do not want to withdraw from life, but you do need to let common sense prevail.
Really? I have pretty much stopped going out with any of my friends for the last few years as all they do is go to bars, drink and smoke.. and I don't have the money anyway ..
I just pretty much spend all my time right here at the computer on this forum.. :-[
But ya .. maybe being sociable would help the mood.. :-\
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Does anyone here who is on hemo ever get quite umm....drunk? I havent touched alcohol since I started dialysis. Ive had one drink here or there or half a drink, but never what I used to drink. Someone told me you stay drunk until you have dialysis, but Ive never actually had that info confirmed.
The first time I was on dialysis I did a lot of drinking and it was never that way. It did however seem like it took a little longer to sober up but not much. Most of the alcohol is processed by the liver or excreated through the lungs when you breath.
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Most of the alcohol is processed by the liver or excreated through the lungs when you breath.
That is what I thought. Thank you.
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That calls for Jack Daniels!
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You don't "stay drunk" until dialysis, but you do have whatever remains in your system there.
Don't make the mistake though - of going to dialysis even remotely drunk. You will experience the worst hangover of your life, crammed into 4 extremely long hours.
:) Not that I know firsthand of course.....
Vodka/Gin/Rum are all low in phospohorous and potassium. We even have a sign up here at the clinic explaining which drinks we should drink, and which we should not.
Beer is extremely high in phosphorous, AND phosphorous binders work very poorly on liquid.
Wine is ok in moderation, but can be high in potassium - so watch out.
Vodka baby -
Poor yourself a glass of lemonade on some ice cubes, and use it to chase a couple vodka shots - then become chatty and make a fool of yourself.
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Ohhhh, Vodka, damn, that sounds good right about now, what do you know about tequila? I've been known to drop down a few shots now and then ::) but i guess its time to switch my poison of choice... ;) thanks for the tips.
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Sorry, can't talk to you goofynina,
It appears from your Avatar that you might be a Raider fan!
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/jcheb/broncoscolts.jpg)
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In case some of you missed last Thrusday's game. The Seahawks beat the hell out of the Radiers! ;D ;D
See you at the Superbowl~~ (Again)
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I have stopped smoking since I started dialysis again 3 weeks ago. :2thumbsup; I was never a heavy smoker (3 or 4 smokes a day) so it was not as hard as I thought it would be. I still really want a smoke but I guess that feeling never goes away. I am just afraid that the smoking would make me feel worse. And I feel crappy enough already.
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I have stopped smoking since I started dialysis again 3 weeks ago. :2thumbsup; I was never a heavy smoker (3 or 4 smokes a day) so it was not as hard as I thought it would be. I still really want a smoke but I guess that feeling never goes away. I am just afraid that the smoking would make me feel worse. And I feel crappy enough already.
It does get easier .. been 5 years now .. or will be in Nov ;) for me! :thumbup;
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I have stopped smoking since I started dialysis again 3 weeks ago. :2thumbsup; I was never a heavy smoker (3 or 4 smokes a day) so it was not as hard as I thought it would be. I still really want a smoke but I guess that feeling never goes away. I am just afraid that the smoking would make me feel worse. And I feel crappy enough already.
It does get easier .. been 5 years now .. or will be in Nov ;) for me! :thumbup;
That's great Angie. I hope you stick with it. I am hoping you will give me enough inspiration to quite smoking. :cuddle;
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I smoked for over 35 years. I August of '06 I went cold turkey. So far so good. Boxman55
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I smoked for over 35 years. I August of '06 I went cold turkey. So far so good. Boxman55
Right on Boxman :2thumbsup; I am a smoker and have been for 26 years, i have tried several times to quit but i just cant let go, if i know i dont have a cigarette anywhere in the house, i am freaking out, but i can have a whole pack last me 3 weeks, as long as i know they are there, i am ok, i will smoke 1 a day, sometimes 2, but not usually. Now, if i am having me a Margarita (or 2 or 3) i will have me a few more cigarettes than usual but i dont drink that much (any more) lol :beer1;
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My husband and I quit two days before his last kidney was removed--April 12,2006 was our last cigarette.We quit cold-turkey.We have struggled at times,but have remained resilient. It is hard to stay quit even now-when they almost make me sick smelling the smoke around other people,and yet,I still want one myself.!!
I love a shot of seagrams extra smooth vodka-with a bite of lime. ;D
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I am just the opposite I love second hand smoke.I was at the court house on jury duty and they had a lunch room for smokers. Crazy me I went in and just stood there. Didnt smoke one but I got a lung full. Did that once the smell still sets me off Boxman55
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I have never smoked... I cant even stand the smell of it. YUUUUKY. I used to drink when younger, never liked beer... only mixed drinks, usually ones that taste fruity... I still like one once in awhile but to be honest I havent had an alcoholic drink in like 3 years maybe longer... LOL
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I have never smoked... I cant even stand the smell of it. YUUUUKY. I used to drink when younger, never liked beer... only mixed drinks, usually ones that taste fruity... I still like one once in awhile but to be honest I havent had an alcoholic drink in like 3 years maybe longer... LOL
Angela, you need to hook up with goofynina and get the party started
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I have never smoked... I cant even stand the smell of it. YUUUUKY. I used to drink when younger, never liked beer... only mixed drinks, usually ones that taste fruity... I still like one once in awhile but to be honest I havent had an alcoholic drink in like 3 years maybe longer... LOL
Angela, you need to hook up with goofynina and get the party started
I'll be waitin' ::)
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Let me know where and when the party is, too. We be party girls!
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:wine; :clap;
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As of Feb 20/07 , it will be one year since I quit smoking.
My doctor told me there is two types of people on dialysis, those that smoke and those that don't, and at that point I was so down that I wanted to give myself any advantage.
As for drinking, I loved going to dances and having a few drinks with friends, but now it just makes me to bloated.
Besides i save every ounce for water. God I miss gulping tall glasses of water
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As of Feb 20/07 , it will be one year since I quit smoking.
My doctor told me there is two types of people on dialysis, those that smoke and those that don't, and at that point I was so down that I wanted to give myself any advantage.
As for drinking, I loved going to dances and having a few drinks with friends, but now it just makes me to bloated.
Besides i save every ounce for water. God I miss gulping tall glasses of water
Congratulations on your smoke free Birthday.
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The best way to quit smoking is to be thoroughly disgusted with smoking. I know, sounds obvious but true.
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i quit smoking 30 years ago, long before the kidneys did. now as to drinking the fat lady has pretty much sung on that one too. i still have a glass of red wine every now and then, not even one a month though. and if we go out i'll have a midori sour. however i don't ever intend to be drunk again.
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:thumbdown; Smoking is a big no no here if you want to be on the cadaver waiting list. That should be all the incentive one
needs to give up. :banghead; I am sure the occasional :wine; could slip by >:D :beer1;
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I used to be a heavy vodka drinker, like every night of the week. Now I haven't had a drink in a year and a half, but now I am starting to think I would like a couple a few times a week. I was a pack a day smoker but now I light one up and only take a couple of puffs. Smoke about 3 a day.
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i used to drink also... but now i cant take one sip of alcohol without feeling sick
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i used to drink also... but now i cant take one sip of alcohol without feeling sick
I'm in Las Vegas for a couple of days and think I might be the only person who isn't drunk or at least a little tipsy. Its frustrating to have to follow people on foot who are obviously staggering where there isn't room to pass them.
At least they aren't drinking and driving. Nothing has happened on the road YET that would lead me to believe my days are numbered.
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I smoke and drink more now than before, mostly when I'm by myself not wanting to do it around people. This is not good for me and would like to quit.
Many say just quit I did, well I've tried just quitting and it doesn't work for me like that. Been smoking since around 12yrs old and now I'm 50yrs old. I know i need to quit to be healthier.
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i used to drink also... but now i cant take one sip of alcohol without feeling sick
I'm in Las Vegas for a couple of days and think I might be the only person who isn't drunk or at least a little tipsy. Its frustrating to have to follow people on foot who are obviously staggering where there isn't room to pass them.
At least they aren't drinking and driving. Nothing has happened on the road YET that would lead me to believe my days are numbered.
:lol; I lived in Vegas 7 yrs, so you must be walking either on the strip or downtown fremont st.... lol, cause in town off the strip, u dont have that prob :p
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I smoke and drink more now than before, mostly when I'm by myself not wanting to do it around people. This is not good for me and would like to quit.
Many say just quit I did, well I've tried just quitting and it doesn't work for me like that. Been smoking since around 12yrs old and now I'm 50yrs old. I know i need to quit to be healthier.
Duane you can do it I started smoking when I was 12 also I am 52 I stopped Aug 14th '06 cold turkey. The key is you have to want too..I am know a tootsie pop junkie but better them then smokes. Boxman55
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I smoke and drink more now than before, mostly when I'm by myself not wanting to do it around people. This is not good for me and would like to quit.
Many say just quit I did, well I've tried just quitting and it doesn't work for me like that. Been smoking since around 12yrs old and now I'm 50yrs old. I know i need to quit to be healthier.
Duane you can do it I started smoking when I was 12 also I am 52 I stopped Aug 14th '06 cold turkey. The key is you have to want too..I am know a tootsie pop junkie but better them then smokes. Boxman55
Boxman, thanks, you are very right (The key is you have to want too.)
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I drank all my life i wasn't a heavy drinker till my last couple years in Nashville. I have smoked since i was 13. I am 51 now and still smoke. Having that first smoke after four hours in dialysis is the only thing i look forward to. I have been in and out of the hospital many times and always looked forward to that first smoke. Once when i was in the hospital on the renal floor there was a room where visitors could go and smoke. There were around 5 or 6 patients in there. A nurse comes in with her hands on her hips and told us we weren't aloud to be there. This one guy who was a renal patient looked at her and said; "What are you going to do tell us to go home?" It was priceless.
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I use to drink when I was a bartender but never when I was on duty....only off duty and then I would just be a social drinker......then for many years it was just occasional drinks on weekends but I gave that up when I decided that I will donate a kidney to my husband if his condition gets worse.....
I have been a smoker for a long time and I had to quit when I had bariatriic surgery and those were the worst days of my life and I only had put on more weight....then not long after the surgery I went back to smoking since I tend to get stressed.......my husband's nephrologist told me I need to quit since it can hurt the kidneys so I will quit if I need to donate even if it means weight gain......
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Guys- I am 38. I smoked since 12. Three packs+ a day for the last 10 years. I quit cold turkey. and I said to myself- I will not let this make me mistreat anyone.and I bought a box of jawbreakers. Quit over one year. you CAN do it, when your mind is made up to just put them down. NO-ONE in my life really thought I could quit.
you will know when your ready.
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i quit smoking for nine years, and then, a few years ago i wanted to see if my willpower was as strong as it was when i quit, so i started smoking again. it isn't as strong. heehee
i don't buy the bad rap that tobacco has gotten and i don't believe that the incidence of lung cancer proves anything except that the practice of inhaling gasoline fumes is not healthy, not to mention the poisonous diet that most people survive on. there are far too many cases of cancer that do not involve smoking for me to believe the hype. we seem to have this need for a scapegoat of some kind, in our culture, a 'bad' guy to blame for the woes and sicknesses that science can't effect positively.
of course, i do believe in a certain degree of moderation and we north americans seem to over-do everything. i try to keep my smoking down to five to ten cigarretes a day.
it cleanses the spirit, as the natives say. ;)
i used to drink more beer, as a musician, it was hard to get away from that influence. but now, i have really cut my beer consumption back to a few beers per month.
the thing i find amazing is that my doctors and nutritionist say that i am allowed 'two drinks per day.' which, to me, would make me an alchoholic!
i had one doctor fill out a report on me which read 'he's not much of a drinker...' i thought that was funny, like he thinks of it as some kind of character flaw that i don't drink as much as he does...
as for my smoking, since i've had x-rays and cat-scans, mri's and brain-scans til the cows came home, and the doctors tell me there is no sign of cancer or emphysemia,(?) i feel that my kidney condition will do me in, long before smoking will. and why deprive myself of a pleasure now, at this stage in my life, when so many pleasures have been taken from me?
i may quit smoking some time in the near future or not, but if i do, it will be for financial reasons, more than anything else.
love
~LL~
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LL,
You made a good point in your post.......yes I agree to some extent that smoking is a scapegoat since there have been many cases of lung cancer when that person nor did anyone in that family ever smoked nor worked in asbestos nor mines (Dana Reeve just to name one and who knows all the other unreported cases)......I get checked once a year on my lungs and they never even feel I need an Xray since upon a simply exam and then that oxygen thing they now use, I am just fine......
Now let's see about this second hand thing....I sometimes wonder how much proof there is on that.....is it just a few studies or were many non-smokers detected with symptoms of a smoker.......however I do feel the non-smokers have a right to object to smoking in front of them since it does not smell good to them and it is offensive to some......
But is it going too far as far as banning smoking in public even outside and raising the prices just to make us quit. I admit I have questions on that.
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Well, I do smoke and I enjoy it and make no apologies to any one.I didn't really start steadily until about 5 years ago, but now I'm on dialysis I enjoy it even more because sometimes my tastebuds can't taste a thing after dialysis Only menthol for me tho.If I had to smoke regular,I wouldn't bother.As for drinking? Wine coolers every once in a while, love em !!!
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I know this is now an old topic, but I shall post to myself if need be...lol.
I am a super strong person mentally, but just not when it comes to smoking...ugh. I am really ashamed of myself that I let something control me like this, but it does. I don't consider myself so much of a smoker, as a drug addict....I believe there is a difference. It is the only vice that I have and it is the worst thing I could be doing. I am usually pretty tense/ high strung, so that makes it even more difficult to quit. I have tried all of the Rx remedies w/ no success. Maybe what I really need is a medical induced coma for a few months?? I know that I have to quit for at least 6 months before I can have a transplant, so why start back up if you can quit that long?? But of course when you think of FSGS & transplant= fat chance...all the more reason to freak out and smoke! Talk about a dog chasing his tail!!
When I quit for 2 weeks before, I was a complete basket case :urcrazy; I would literally break down and cry for no reason, try to sleep the cravings away, and had major anxiety attacks! That is hell in itself.
I guess I just need to :rant; for being such a ...as my dad would say...a "candyass!"
Ok, I am done. Thanks :yahoo;
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I have a drink now and then . As for smoking I smoke a pack a day sins I was 13 . Here 2years ago I started to quit and do OK most of the time but a lot of friends and my husband still smock so I siled back every so often . But Ill keep trying to stop all to gether Carol
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I never smoked cigarettes-maybe an occasional stoagie. I have not had the time to think about drinking-but, in the summer I like a few beers with crabs...
mmm...crabs
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There was some discussion about what 420 means... I thought it was the police code for possession. I was wrong. No one is really sure.
here's a link if you are interested.
http://www.concept420.com/what-is-420.htm
>:D