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Title: I need an advice
Post by: petertohen on November 13, 2017, 07:10:07 PM
I was wondering if anyone here has had experience with a fistula, or other vascular access for an elderly patient.  My grandmother is 87, and the nephrologist has recommended using the subclavian catheter as a permanent solution.  However, the dialysis center staff keeps asking about when we are getting a fistula or graft.  Has anyone had experience with a permenant access for someone in their 80s or 90s? :Kit n Stik; :Kit n Stik;
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Title: Re: I need an advice
Post by: LoneHighway on November 13, 2017, 09:27:32 PM
A catheter is the fast way to get started but not considered a permanent solution. Depending on comorbidities and how good her veins are, a cath might be “good enough.” It wouldn’t hurt to get evaluated by a vascular surgeon.
Title: Re: I need an advice
Post by: Charlie B53 on November 14, 2017, 05:25:24 AM

A cath always has a greater risk of infection than we have with a fistula or graft.  Granted, there is always a % of risk with sticking anything into a body.

The argument is with a cath there is not only the opening in the skin but the placement of the end of the cath being so much closer to the heart that a possible contamination could easily reach the heart much quicker than a contamination at skin level.

Most Vascular Surgeons will advise to have a fistula or graft placed as soon as possible so the cath may be removed.  Here again, this depends on the condition of the patients veins and other possible health issues.
Title: Re: I need an advice
Post by: Michael Murphy on November 14, 2017, 08:30:08 AM
The clinics are rated by CMS and one of the criteria is percentage of patients with Fistulas.  I used to sit next to a tiny women in my clinic in New Jersey her veins and arteries were not considered suitable for a fistula.  So she used a cath fo over 20 years. She has gone on to a better place, she moved to the beach in Deleware.
Title: Re: I need an advice
Post by: iolaire on November 14, 2017, 09:39:38 AM
I used to sit next to a tiny women in my clinic in New Jersey her veins and arteries were not considered suitable for a fistula.  So she used a cath fo over 20 years. She has gone on to a better place, she moved to the beach in Deleware.
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