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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: General Discussion => Topic started by: kitkatz on July 07, 2016, 09:38:49 PM
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I have dialysis now from 2 pm to 9 pm on MWF now. It has screwed with my sleep patterns so much. I am turning back into a night owl.
I am lucky, I guess because I go sleep from 2:30 - around 6:30 during dialysis, however I am home around 10pm or so.
Dinner is late and my tummy needs time to digest it, so I am awake until 2 to 3 am., then sleeping till 10 to 11 a.m.
So my days look like this:
MWF Up around 11 am.
asleep 2:30pm to 6:30pm
Up till 2-3 am
Sleep till 10-11am.
TTH: Up near 10 to 11 am
Up all day
Try to sleep by 12 am, however I am often up till 2 am reading.
Sleep till 10 or 11 am.
I feel like all I do is sleep on dialysis days and then am awake almost the entire night.
I have not decided if this schedule works for me or not. I hate that my nocturnal dialysis got moved to days.
I guess I am having problems adjusting to a crazy schedule and cannot really schedule a whole lot during the daytime because i am sleeping half of it away.
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You may have to forgive me, I am a 'Guy" so you have to understand that we don't always read the directions, or all the threads, especially if they are old and not on the front page.
You may have already posted whether or not you have considered Nxstage, but I certainly don't know. So I have to ask, are you considering it?
Myself, being needle-phobic since childhood, will have a bad enough time when it comes time for me to graduate from PD to Hemo. I am intelligent to know the increase time/days doing Hemo at home should be far better for me than the current in-clinic schedule that is prevalent today.
Is this a good time to raise both the Pro's and the Con's of Home Hemo. As a PD'er I haven't much of a clue.
Thanks for understanding. This also gives me an idea for a 'sticky' or two. Pro's and Con's of.......... It could be good for Visitors to readily find information they may not find so easy elsewhere.
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Choosing Between Home HD and Home PD: When, and Why by Dr. John Agar
Choosing Between Home HD and Home PD: When, and Why
From time to time, I have noticed some questioning and uncertainty arising at the HDC Facebook site regarding the difference between, relative place of, and effective efficiency of the two main dialysis therapies: peritoneal dialysis (PD) and haemodialysis (HD) – especially as theses factors apply in the home. Many who respond clearly do understand this, but some still seem a little hazy. I thought it might be useful to pick through some of the myths and legends about both, and put them in context.
Firstly, one of the two therapies is exclusively a home therapy (PD), while HD, though in my view while best performed at home, is most commonly still offered as a facility-based treatment. I do not intend to pick over the bones of the “at home” versus “at facility” argument here—that has been the subject of several previous blogs and is a theme that runs strongly though most of the views expressed at this site. Rather, I seek to concentrate on some of the practical differences between the two options.
Firstly, there is the efficiency of dialysis. PD uses a natural, inbuilt body “membrane”—the peritoneum—a layer of mesothelial calls a single cell width thick, that lines the internal cavity in which lie our internal abdominal organs. I ask my patients if they have ever opened the belly of a fish, or animal…most will certainly have at the least slit open a fish…and seen the silver shiny membrane that lines the belly cavity inside. This same peritoneal membrane also extends to cover all of the internal abdominal organs. Underlying this membrane is a myriad of small, blood-carrying capillaries (microscopic blood vessels) that bring blood and the wastes, impurities, and extra water it contains, which would normally be removed by healthy kidneys, up close to the surface of this thin shiny membrane. We are built no differently to a fish, or any other animal. Opened up, the inner lining of a human belly shines and glistens too.
The principle of PD is to instill a specially formulated fluid into the belly cavity so that it can interact with and remove water and solutes from the blood in these peritoneal capillaries, with the peritoneal membrane acting as a separating, but permeable “divider” between blood and the dialysis fluid…just like the artificial membrane of a haemodialyser does.
But, PD has a limiting factor. While the surface areas of a haemodialyser and a peritoneal membrane are not much different, the blood flow per minute through a haemodialyser is dramatically greater than the blood flow through the peritoneal capillaries for the same period. This difference is so great that PD done continuously for 24 hours a day, seven days a week (168 hours), removes or “clears” roughly the same amount of waste as HD done intermittently for 3-4 hours at a time every other day or so. So, small solute clearance in continuous ambulatory peritoneal dialysis (CAPD)—or the now much better and preferred option of overnight, automated peritoneal dialysis (APD)—is thus roughly equivalent to just 12 hours of HD/week.
From this it will be evident that home HD, advantaged as it is by self-determined schedules, including both the hours and frequency of treatment, offers an efficiency boost to small solute waste clearance…and herein lies one of the inherent “positives” for home HD.
But, why are some things so complicated? …it turns out that PD vs. HD is not actually quite as simple and clear-cut as that!
The peritoneal membrane is much more permeable than most artificial HD membranes. The peritoneum will allow the passage of much larger molecules than will most HD membranes—with the exception of some of the very expensive protein-losing HD membranes sometimes used for treatment of specific problems such as multiple myeloma. This PD permeability allows much larger toxins—ones that are difficult to remove in HD—to be more easily removed. So, that’s a win for PD. Middle molecules and some protein-bound toxins that remain trapped in the body in HD are able to escape during in PD.
One other important factor influences the peritoneal membrane: it has a limited longevity as a functioning, permeable, transit layer. Unlike the artificial membrane of a haemodialyser, the natural membrane of the peritoneum slowly thickens and alters with time. It is also affected by the sugar content of the peritoneal fluid, and accumulates “advanced glycation end-products” (AGEs)…thus, playing on words, the peritoneal membrane ages from the accumulation of AGE. The higher the sugar content of the peritoneal fluid, the more rapidly this ageing tends to occur, and any episodes of peritonitis also hasten membrane failure. In the end, the peritoneal membrane may reach a point where it will no longer efficiently transport solutes or ultrafilter salt and water. Though this ageing varies from population to population, the peritoneal membrane will commonly slowly fail over a 3-5 year time frame from the start of PD in about half of all PD patients, eventually necessitating a transfer to haemodialysis.
All that said, PD is a very good way to start dialysis. While patient preference is key, PD is easy to learn, easy to perform, and is also particularly effective when there is still some residual native kidney function to augment the PD process. In many countries, including in my own region of ANZ, a strong PD-First approach is taken by many services. But as residual kidney function fails over the 1st 24-36 months, and solute and water clearance comes more and more to rely on the efficiency of PD alone, PD often begins to fail to be “oomphy” enough—especially with ultrafiltration (water removal). Early recognition of this slow failure should permit a seamless transfer to HD at home.
Some patients have expressed the idea that transferring the other way—from home HD to home PD – is a potential option. I beg to differ. The maximal advantage of PD is seen early, while there the remnants of residual renal function are able to support and augment PD. Later, once native kidney function has been lost, so too are the advantages this brings to PD. PD is often not adequate, on its own. So, assuming that residual kidney function dwindles in the background during a period on HD, switching to PD offers no remaining advantage and would be a switch to a less efficient dialysis option, which is not a good idea.
So, PD first = absolutely. But, PD second, or later = not so smart.
A smarter approach is to offer either PD or home HD up front as a first home dialysis option, understanding that while home HD is more effective therapy, it is also more complex, requires more complex training and equipment and, at the same time, there are some significant benefits tucked into in the PD bag at this point.
If a patient chooses home HD as a first-up choice, then, in my view, that is great. Alternatively, if PD is chosen for the first option—especially APD—then that is great as well. But, while a switch from PD to home HD is an option we should be encouraging far more as and when ultrafiltration fails and/or the patient begins to struggle and fail to do well, the reverse (switching from HD to PD) is not a viable or commonly sensible choice. This latter choice will, in the main, simply lead to inadequate dialysis and…trouble…and should be strongly discouraged.
http://homedialysis.org/news-and-research/blog/159-choosing-between-home-hd-and-home-pd-when-and-why
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Home dialysis is just not something that will work out in my household right now. PD has never been a choice either.
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Good article. But it makes me think I have a lot more questions to ask my Neph next Monday. Like is it possible that the weight I am still gaining is water? I quit the prednisone two weeks ago, it should be well worn off by now so I cannot blame it for my gain. But this article makes me wonder. Three years on PD, is it possible that my membrane is beginning to show signs of AGE?
This could suck. I am no where near ready for the needles. This bothers me, a lot.
I just noticed, the default faunt size is 8. Is this too small for anyone else but me?