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Title: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: RightSide on January 12, 2011, 07:19:34 AM
I asked my social worker if I could post the official IHateDialysis.com poster on my dialysis center's bulletin board.  It might attract more of my center's patients to IHD.

http://www.ihatedialysis.com/images/dialysisflyer01.pdf

My social worker refused to allow it.  She said that the name of this website, "IHateDialysis," sounds too negative.  She does not want information about it posted at our center, unless we can come up with a more positive-sounding title for it.

I asked her if she could think of a less negative name for the site.  She couldn't at the moment, but she promised to get back to me on that.

Have any of you encountered any resistance from your own caregivers about the allegedly "negative" name of this forum?

Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Desert Dancer on January 12, 2011, 07:29:59 AM
Oh, absolutely! When I mentioned this site to my clinic they were horrified and thought it was just the most negative thing they ever heard.

My 'Dead Woman Walking' shirt (worn the last day of training) sent them right over the edge.  ;D
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: carol1987 on January 12, 2011, 07:37:04 AM
My sisterdoes not care for the name. I have to admit when I knew dialysis was comng and I started researching I hesitated to come here. I was afraid to hear too much negativity because I was trying to get strong and brave about dialysis.  Of course when I realized all of the other sites were run by davita etc..i was concerned about their slant. Once I came here I saw that it was not negative but truthful and extremely suppottive!!!
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: carol1987 on January 12, 2011, 07:39:46 AM
Desert dancer...i love your shirt!!! I was going to get one that said'she's not dead yet'  lol
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: KICKSTART on January 12, 2011, 08:53:51 AM
Oh, absolutely! When I mentioned this site to my clinic they were horrified and thought it was just the most negative thing they ever heard.

My 'Dead Woman Walking' shirt (worn the last day of training) sent them right over the edge.  ;D


ROTFLMAO     :rofl;  :clap;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: KICKSTART on January 12, 2011, 08:56:26 AM
Just to add , we are advised NOT to read things on sites like this on the internet , because a lot of it is NOT true !!!!  Yeah right !
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Darthvadar on January 12, 2011, 09:16:21 AM
Well all I can say is, the name's PERFECT!.... I'm not in KF (yet!), but my darling mum is... I've travelled the KF road with her since May '07, and dialysis road with her since Nov. of that year... Mum's been on both Haemo, and PD...

While I'm thankful for dialysis because it's keeping her alive, I DO hate dialysis with a passion, as does Mum... It's not how any of us would like to end our days, and I'm prepared to wager that not one of us here would wish it on their loved ones... Do you know, if I were to think about it, I probably wouldn't wish it on someone I intensely dislike, let alone someone I love....

I think that the ihatedialysis.com is ideal... And when you look at the title when you visit the site, just under it it says "We're NOT negative, we just hate dialysis"...

This is a very positive site... Information from fellow patients and carers is very useful BECAUSE it's real life, and we don't dress it up in the frilly, marshmallow, happy-clappy manner that the 'professionals' might like us to do.... We are realists... We tell the truth... The good, the bad, and the downright ugly, but negative we are not!....

Keep the title, keep the format, keep the support network going... Most of all Folks... Let's keep the faith in each other... I think most of us hate dialysis (I certainly do with every fibre of my being!), but it's the best we've got at the moment, and without it, I'd have lost my mum years ago!....

Love to all....

Darth....
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: paul.karen on January 12, 2011, 09:26:43 AM
Rightside,

They may not let you post IHD on THERE bulletin board.  But you can still pass the word to fellow patients.  Unless your not aloud to talk to people at your center which i doubt.

Maybe your social worker should educate herself and come take a look at the best dialysis site for patients and caregivers on the internet.  Or ask her how many people she has met that likes dialysis??  Other then ceos of places like Davita and FMC..
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: okarol on January 12, 2011, 09:29:54 AM
When I first saw the name as I searched for internet answers to Jenna's kidney failure, I thought it was a joke or spam site, so it took awhile before I actually visited IHD. What made me come back was Epoman's line "the straight truth from fellow patients."

I think it's a great name though, because people on dialysis get it.

In comparison, if I say "I hate the dentist" everyone gets it. No one says "oh you're being negative," because dental work can be very uncomfortable, sometimes painful. It's necessary, and we do it to stay healthy, but no one I know enjoys dental appointments.

Dialysis is like that. But companies that provide it don't want people to get the wrong idea.  :rofl;

Rightside, I am pretty sure your social worker has not visited IHD. If she had, she might feel differently.

Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: cariad on January 12, 2011, 09:40:11 AM
I don't think I even saw the name of the site when I first visited, I was looking for transplant support groups. The thought that I might end up on dialysis longterm did not really cross my mind initially.

I did not find it negative. I firstly thought it was just for dialysis patients, and second thought that my 'come what may' attitude would not be welcome because the people all seemed very serious to me. In my defense, I did not read very much. I am not sure if the transplant section was even up at that point as it was October of 2006, and I am crap at navigating sites, so I probably got stuck in the general dialysis section and could not find my way out. I did find myself coming back off and on, just to read. I loved the 'ignorant things people have said to me' thread.

Rightside, get a few IHD t-shirts and wear them to dialysis. You can become your own bulletin board.  :2thumbsup;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: okarol on January 12, 2011, 09:43:20 AM


Rightside, get a few IHD t-shirts and wear them to dialysis. You can become your own bulletin board.  :2thumbsup;

I'll buy you one myself!
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: carol1987 on January 12, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
That's good karol!!

Rightside  ask the person at the center if she has ever said "i hate the Dentist" !! I know I have!! LOL
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Zach on January 12, 2011, 11:07:09 AM

I asked her if she could think of a less negative name for the site.  She couldn't at the moment, but she promised to get back to me on that.


How about: 
Dialysis ... mm, mm Good!

8)
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: okarol on January 12, 2011, 11:12:13 AM
 :rofl; ;D :lol;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: carol1987 on January 12, 2011, 11:16:51 AM
That is funny Zach... :rofl; :rofl;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Zach on January 12, 2011, 11:18:06 AM
And then there's my negative title:
Dialysis ... what is it good for?

8)
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Bajanne on January 12, 2011, 11:36:41 AM
Zach, I owe you for two good belly laughs this afternoon!!
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: MooseMom on January 12, 2011, 11:42:03 AM
I vote for "DIALYSIS....You know you want it." :-*
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: carol1987 on January 12, 2011, 12:16:02 PM
 :clap; :clap; :clap; :clap; you guys are so funny!!! :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Desert Dancer on January 12, 2011, 12:32:16 PM
Apropos to my situation, I'm going to make a shirt that says: "Dialysis: I can do it in my sleep!"
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Dragonette on January 12, 2011, 12:36:07 PM
or "We All Love Dialysis". :sarcasm;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: thegrammalady on January 12, 2011, 12:50:23 PM
Apropos to my situation, I'm going to make a shirt that says: "Dialysis: I can do it in my sleep!"

 :rofl;  i want one too!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it would be perfect to wear as nocturnal jammies. but then our tech and nurse would get it.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: okarol on January 12, 2011, 01:10:08 PM
 :yahoo; :rofl; BWAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: okarol on January 12, 2011, 01:13:18 PM

Dialysis... Just do it.
  ;D
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Meinuk on January 12, 2011, 01:41:27 PM
I was just looking at a patient meeting flyer from Oklahoma, and I saw a T-shirt that says: 

"There is life... after Dialysis."


http://www.network13.org/patients/KCG_Background.pdf

I want one.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Mizar on January 12, 2011, 02:01:57 PM

 I had to go to My Thesaurus, to come up with a New Name for us, the Suggestions, it gave Me were  ------

 I Truculent Dialysis

I Enmity Dialysis

I " Spit Upon " Dialysis

None of these are Making Me, feel, " Warm and Fuzzy "  We better stick with what We Have. :2thumbsup;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: AguynamedKim on January 12, 2011, 03:11:17 PM
Perhaps, www.im-not-so-fond-of-dialysis-but-appreciate-it-but-it-can-really-suck-sometimes-but-at-least-theres-a-bunch-of-really-supportive-people-that-tell-you-the-real-truth-about-dialysis.com?
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: RightSide on January 12, 2011, 04:25:11 PM
I think it's a great name though, because people on dialysis get it.

In comparison, if I say "I hate the dentist" everyone gets it. No one says "oh you're being negative," because dental work can be very uncomfortable, sometimes painful. It's necessary, and we do it to stay healthy, but no one I know enjoys dental appointments.
I don't think IHD is negative--except for one or two things.

I definitely do NOT like the slogan at the upper right of this webpage, "A Place to Vent about DIE-Lysis."  Is that intended to suggest that when you're on dialysis, you feel like you're dying?  I don't.

For this site to say it's about "DIE-Lysis" would be like a dentist having a sign in his office that says "We Cater To Marathon Men."

I wish the "DIE-Lysis" line could be removed.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: MooseMom on January 12, 2011, 04:35:48 PM
You know, RightSide, that's actually a very good point.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Desert Dancer on January 12, 2011, 06:01:58 PM
I second (or third) RightSide's point. I know WE know this place isn't negative, and we can tell that to people all we want. But if a social worker comes on here and sees that line about DIE-lysis, well, first impressions stick.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: glitter on January 12, 2011, 06:19:42 PM
I think that line cracked Epoman up- it made him laugh at his own circumstance. While wanting people to feel comfortable, he just did not gloss over the truth as he saw it....and I remember how upset he got over being 'censored' on davitas sites- which is why IHD was born.  just a thought...
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Epofriend on January 12, 2011, 06:48:43 PM
Perhaps, www.im-not-so-fond-of-dialysis-but-appreciate-it-but-it-can-really-suck-sometimes-but-at-least-theres-a-bunch-of-really-supportive-people-that-tell-you-the-real-truth-about-dialysis.com?
:rofl;
Here's the shirt:

www.ihatedialysis.com

because

www.im-not-so-fond-of-dialysis-but-appreciate-it-but-it-can-really-suck-sometimes-but-at-least-theres-a-bunch-of-really-supportive-people-that-tell-you-the-real-truth-about-dialysis.com

was too long

 :bow;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Rerun on January 12, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
I think the DIE Alysis part was due to ..... the thought that without it we would die and just making fun of the word.  And since Epoman is DEAD I think he spoke the truth.

We need to keep it.

But I love the www.im.not.so.fond.of ........    :rofl;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: okarol on January 12, 2011, 07:19:26 PM
Perhaps, www.im-not-so-fond-of-dialysis-but-appreciate-it-but-it-can-really-suck-sometimes-but-at-least-theres-a-bunch-of-really-supportive-people-that-tell-you-the-real-truth-about-dialysis.com?
:rofl; :rofl; :rofl; LMAO!!
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: carol1987 on January 12, 2011, 07:32:55 PM
I felt that way about the die_alisis line too  but we need to honor epoman  besides just look atthis thread....many of us need the silly dark humor to get by...lol
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: boswife on January 12, 2011, 07:37:12 PM
 :rofl; Oh my goodness Im so glad i had a moment to read tonight...  This is down right halarious  :clap; :clap; :clap;  Brought hubby and i to tears laughing which is a great thing!!    We loved it all.....  oh, and about the DIE alysis.....  i felt icky when i saw that, but knowing it was and Epoman thing, im gonna have to adjust my thinking  ;) 
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Bruno on January 12, 2011, 07:40:38 PM
We haven't got a notice board but when I mentioned this to my wife she said to stick it up my Fresenius.
(I think)
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Ang on January 12, 2011, 07:45:12 PM
without  knowing EPOMAN, i suggest the DIElysis line is him being truthful and pointing out that  aome of us are fortunate and some will die , as sure as night follows day
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: RichardMEL on January 12, 2011, 07:46:58 PM
My IHD tshirt became infamous at my unit!!  :rofl; I think half of them didn't read the .com and didn't realise it was a community website(despite me telling them SO many times!). They thought it was me just saying I hate dialysis. My neph (prof of medicine here) always asked me about it if I wasn't wearing it, or he'd greet me and say "How are you - apart from hating dialysis?"  :rofl; It was all in a good natured way except when a couple of nurses in the unit somehow got upset and thought the shirt meant that I hated their unit and/or them, so I had my own shirt made up that said I loved the D unit (I posted a pic sometime back).

The theme went on post-tx. One the first main ward round after my transplant, where the whole team file into your room and do the whole medical thing, in troops the prof in front, with the hangers on headed out the door, and they do the review and all the stuff, then before they go he says "So where's the 'I love transplants!' tshirt?  :rofl; I told him I was working on one. Actually I've modified that idea to do a "donatelife.gov.au" sweatshirt because our local donor registry doesn't seem to have any kind of apparel to help spread the word -so going to make my own up. I do have a shirt I made that thanked the ward staff for looking after me during my transplant, but it's a bit lame.

btw I ordered a week or so back some transplant shirts from the IHD cafepress store, so waiting for them to show up :)

I do see rightside's point about "DIE-alysis" but I also feel it is important to keep it the way Epo set it up. We must honour his memory and what he wanted the site to be.

Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: tyefly on January 12, 2011, 10:03:59 PM
  The same response at my clinic.....     at least when I started.... but now  after many months  and I kept giving them more information, not only about this site but   Bill Peckham site and Hemodocs,  and Nxstage many others... they became more receptive....   but then this clinic is not one of the big ones....   

   its like    The Doctors  show   says.....   Changing one body at a time.....
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Riki on January 12, 2011, 10:21:07 PM
I've mentioned this site to my nurses a few times. They thought it sounded great.  One of them got a great kick out of the"how to get comfortable in the chair" thread.  I don't think any of them would mind if I posted the flyer on the bulletin board.  I think that the problem with that would be that most of the patients in my unit are older (60+) and I'm not sure how many of them are online.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Des on January 13, 2011, 03:43:59 AM
Not allowed to go up unless it has come from Fresenius head office......  :Kit n Stik;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Hazmat35 on January 13, 2011, 04:07:36 AM
I know that I have copied some information from this website and sent it to the Administrator, the Social Worker and the Dietitian at my center.  They said that I have sent them some valuable information and interesting topics.  They have since become members themselves. 

They also shared the information with the Nurse Practitioner and they love it!   :clap;

I think that just because of the name, people get the wrong idea at first.  But you can't judge a website by the front page. 
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: noahvale on January 13, 2011, 06:57:06 PM
^^
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: RichardMEL on January 13, 2011, 07:03:15 PM
I think there's also a general fear, specially in the US, but in other places too, that getting information from a site like this can be bad - or moreso that they would fear being sued or something if a patient, sees a website (not this one!!! just in general) advertised by their unit, goes there, reads some kind of information and then suffers somehow, and then decides to sue the dialysis unit for "pointing them" to the site by way of having a flyer up or talking about it. That's why some units will only sanction "official" spam that toes the company line and so on - it's all around safer for them.

There IS some merit to that argument. How many people, in general, google when they are feeling some symptoms and potentially can make things worse when not treated by a doctor but thinking they have X when they may in fact have Y, and so on.

Unfortunately these days a lot of providers and corporate entities have to protect themselves in this way because people can and do sue for stuff like that - as ridiculous as it seems.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 13, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
I think not having official sanction is a feature not a bug. I've talked about IHD in many settings with people in the industry and I always say it's the first line of every conversation when someone shows up looking for information - by using it as the URL the site is saying Yeah I get that what else do you got

I'll fess up to something that only Meinuk knows - Epoman banned me, not under my name but under a screen name I first signed up with because I wasn't sure I wanted to participate - I just looked it was August 09, 2005. Anyway I came back, as myself and introduced myself (I had registered before he started the you must introduce yourself rule but he didn't see it that way ::) )  it turned out I had registered and mostly looked in on IHD from work so I could never look at IHD from work until recently. You'd have to be a premium member to see any of my posts so let's see who figures it out first - no helping Meinuk.


Any way how about a URL from Monty Python?
DialysisYourMotherWasAHamsterAndYourFatherSmeltOfElderberries.com
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: RightSide on January 13, 2011, 08:52:36 PM
I can see both sides of this.  As someone who worked in PR, the name and the line including  "DIE-lysis " are not positive sounding and could scare or turn off many who aren't familiar with what this forum is all about.  But, as a long-term patient, I get it.  I also understand what it meant to the founder of the site and how those of you who keep it going want to honor him.   
I don't think that it's in any way dishonoring Epoman's name or contribution, just to change one slogan.  I'm sure Epoman would want us to do whatever we can think of to increase participation in IHD.com.  I'm more concerned about the "DIE-lysis" than the name of the site.  And changing one slogan is much easier than changing the name of the site at this late date.

At some point, we need to think about getting IHD on Facebook too.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: glitter on January 13, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
IHD is on facebook- I think I am a member..when the site when down when they upgraded that is how I got updates.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: glitter on January 13, 2011, 09:11:51 PM
hmmm maybe not- i couldn't find it....

I get why people don't like the DIE-YLIS- I do, Epoman knew his mortality was not going to be as long as his life would have been if he hadn't had so many rough breaks, I always thought the tongue in cheek,  dark humour was his way of dealing......and then he died. So this place is his legacy, the things he personally did I would hate to see changed.
 I understand wanting to be positive, and living a positive life, Epoman set a great example with his life. I think he liked that sign.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Riki on January 13, 2011, 10:24:54 PM
The thing that I always see when I first log in, is the "we're not negative, we just hate dialysis."  I think that is a very true statement.  I certainly don't know anyone who wakes up in the morning saying, "oh goodie! I have dialysis today!" unless they're being sarcastic.
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: brandi1leigh on January 13, 2011, 10:48:01 PM
I have to admit that the name of the site and the "die-alysis" line made me hesitate joining. In fact, I lurked around for a while and read a lot of threads before I ever registered or posted anything. I understand where the name came from and I think it's accurate, but I can also understand how overworked social workers might not want to spend the time to investigate. I can also understand units being wary of sending patients to a forum board, any forum board. The possibility exists for anyone to post anything and the units don't want to take responsibility for someone reading something that isn't true and verified. It's the same principle that no teacher I know would send a kid to get their facts from Wikipedia. Yes, the majority of the info is correct, but it's not verified and anyone can say anything. My unit is mostly elderly patients who I don't think are online that much...
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Des on January 14, 2011, 02:19:00 AM
Unfortunately these days a lot of providers and corporate entities have to protect themselves in this way because people can and do sue for stuff like that - as ridiculous as it seems.

For this reason I add to the bottom of my "signature" That my advise is not medical advise but just an opion. I am covering my  :sir ken; here.  :rofl;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: KICKSTART on January 14, 2011, 03:58:35 AM
Well all i can say is when i found the site and it was called I HATE DIALYSIS i thought  :yahoo;  more people like me !!!!
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: aharris2 on January 14, 2011, 04:36:11 AM
I'll fess up to something that only Meinuk knows - Epoman banned me, not under my name but under a screen name I first signed up with because I wasn't sure I wanted to participate - I just looked it was August 09, 2005. Anyway I came back, as myself and introduced myself (I had registered before he started the you must introduce yourself rule but he didn't see it that way ::) )  it turned out I had registered and mostly looked in on IHD from work so I could never look at IHD from work until recently. You'd have to be a premium member to see any of my posts so let's see who figures it out first - no helping Meinuk.
Bill, were you... (PMed, so as not to ruin it... if I am right)

Any way how about a URL from Monty Python?
DialysisYourMotherWasAHamsterAndYourFatherSmeltOfElderberries.com
:clap;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Meinuk on January 14, 2011, 05:05:34 AM

no helping Meinuk.


No worries Peckham, your secret is safe with me.

And what a good way to boost Premium Memberships.

Now, for my opinion on the name... Yes, it is can be considered a barrier BUT I look at is as more of a filter.  As Kickstart noted, we embraced the name - ultimately.  The fact is, we are here, the industry and the Networks know about us.  Slowly, individual clinics will know about us, and we aren't going anywhere.

ALL advice should be taken with regard to the source.  Just as every individual on dialysis and with a transplant wants to be treated individually, we all have distinct needs. Medically and emotionally. The internet and its value as a peer support venue is being taken more and more seriously. (Just look at our Member's thesis in Australia.  (sorry, I am blanking on your name))

There are great sources for formal CKD education like www.kidneyschool.org   - which I think should be mandatory for anyone on the internet with CKD (and those who love them).

And oh so many others.  I'll plug DSEN now with Bill's big compilation of knowledge and resource links: 

http://www.billpeckham.com/from_the_sharp_end_of_the/ckd-links-and-resources.html

I see IHD as being peer to peer support, (and invaluable at that - the best on the web IMHO).  I also see IHD as an unedited,uncensored REAL picture of what is going on in the trenches (although just a microcosm).

I look at what DaVita has done with their new "Social Networking" and I laugh.  I wish that they would spend that time and effort on training their staff to be more compassionate, better educated about dialysis modalities and safer.  But that is just me keeping Epoman's cynicism when it comes to DaVita's on line message boards alive and well. Anything that is corporate sponsored is bound to be tainted by corporate ethics and shareholder (NOT PATIENT) responsibilities.

That being said, I will tell you that I have day dreamed about IHD being a non-profit, and protecting itself as a 501(c).  Is it weird that I just want to form a board of directors and put Zach on it??? Give Karol a corner office, and make Rerun the head of the party planning committee? Obviously KitKatz would run HR(isn't that what the big stick is for?), and Paris would be Karol's second in Command.  Sluff would be that partner who is always away on secret business, and Richard Mel would be the overseas director of marketing; Bjanne would handle all of the travel arrangements, and serve as interpreter, as for EpoFriend, well, I'd just give him reign over all of South America... yes, I daydream a lot.

Kidding aside, my fear is that we would risk going the way of AAKP and all the other splinter CKD organizations out there (and believe me, they are splintered).  I fear that the minute that IHD starts "Marketing" itself, it will lose itself.

We have had some "out" industry employees here telling us what is right and wrong (in some cases they were wrong).  We also have some semi-undercover industry employees posting here, and they have joined in the camaraderie. Most of all, for any that find IHD, and read, I think that their CKD journey is made a bit easier knowing that they are understood, if they take part or not.  I am MUCH more of a lurker than poster.  In the four years that I have been here, I have posted under 700 posts. So many others participate more than I do, but I have received so much more than I could ever return, and I see that as that as the most amazing gift that Epoman could have given us, a forum to share and help each other along the way.

I say keep the name as it is.  Maybe lose the Die-Lysis. Call it IHD when you talk about it, and people will find us.  You did.



 
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 14, 2011, 07:32:44 AM
I'll fess up to something that only Meinuk knows - Epoman banned me, not under my name but under a screen name I first signed up with because I wasn't sure I wanted to participate - I just looked it was August 09, 2005. Anyway I came back, as myself and introduced myself (I had registered before he started the you must introduce yourself rule but he didn't see it that way ::) )  it turned out I had registered and mostly looked in on IHD from work so I could never look at IHD from work until recently. You'd have to be a premium member to see any of my posts so let's see who figures it out first - no helping Meinuk.
Bill, were you... (PMed, so as not to ruin it... if I am right)

Any way how about a URL from Monty Python?
DialysisYourMotherWasAHamsterAndYourFatherSmeltOfElderberries.com
:clap;


Aharris got it :beer1;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: glitter on January 14, 2011, 09:23:33 AM
Facebook link  (thanks Karol)

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46205402133
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 14, 2011, 01:49:59 PM
These website names (http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf0xmm5JoL1qgp0nco1_500.jpg) show you what happens when URLs are not thought out




Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: okarol on January 14, 2011, 04:12:03 PM
 :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Bajanne on January 14, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
Those were hilarious!!  :rofl;
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: okarol on January 14, 2011, 05:49:30 PM

no helping Meinuk.


No worries Peckham, your secret is safe with me.

And what a good way to boost Premium Memberships.

Now, for my opinion on the name... Yes, it is can be considered a barrier BUT I look at is as more of a filter.  As Kickstart noted, we embraced the name - ultimately.  The fact is, we are here, the industry and the Networks know about us.  Slowly, individual clinics will know about us, and we aren't going anywhere.

ALL advice should be taken with regard to the source.  Just as every individual on dialysis and with a transplant wants to be treated individually, we all have distinct needs. Medically and emotionally. The internet and its value as a peer support venue is being taken more and more seriously. (Just look at our Member's thesis in Australia.  (sorry, I am blanking on your name))

There are great sources for formal CKD education like www.kidneyschool.org   - which I think should be mandatory for anyone on the internet with CKD (and those who love them).

And oh so many others.  I'll plug DSEN now with Bill's big compilation of knowledge and resource links: 

http://www.billpeckham.com/from_the_sharp_end_of_the/ckd-links-and-resources.html

I see IHD as being peer to peer support, (and invaluable at that - the best on the web IMHO).  I also see IHD as an unedited,uncensored REAL picture of what is going on in the trenches (although just a microcosm).

I look at what DaVita has done with their new "Social Networking" and I laugh.  I wish that they would spend that time and effort on training their staff to be more compassionate, better educated about dialysis modalities and safer.  But that is just me keeping Epoman's cynicism when it comes to DaVita's on line message boards alive and well. Anything that is corporate sponsored is bound to be tainted by corporate ethics and shareholder (NOT PATIENT) responsibilities.

That being said, I will tell you that I have day dreamed about IHD being a non-profit, and protecting itself as a 501(c).  Is it weird that I just want to form a board of directors and put Zach on it??? Give Karol a corner office, and make Rerun the head of the party planning committee? Obviously KitKatz would run HR(isn't that what the big stick is for?), and Paris would be Karol's second in Command.  Sluff would be that partner who is always away on secret business, and Richard Mel would be the overseas director of marketing; Bjanne would handle all of the travel arrangements, and serve as interpreter, as for EpoFriend, well, I'd just give him reign over all of South America... yes, I daydream a lot.

Kidding aside, my fear is that we would risk going the way of AAKP and all the other splinter CKD organizations out there (and believe me, they are splintered).  I fear that the minute that IHD starts "Marketing" itself, it will lose itself.

We have had some "out" industry employees here telling us what is right and wrong (in some cases they were wrong).  We also have some semi-undercover industry employees posting here, and they have joined in the camaraderie. Most of all, for any that find IHD, and read, I think that their CKD journey is made a bit easier knowing that they are understood, if they take part or not.  I am MUCH more of a lurker than poster.  In the four years that I have been here, I have posted under 700 posts. So many others participate more than I do, but I have received so much more than I could ever return, and I see that as that as the most amazing gift that Epoman could have given us, a forum to share and help each other along the way.

I say keep the name as it is.  Maybe lose the Die-Lysis. Call it IHD when you talk about it, and people will find us.  You did.

In one of my earliest conversations in the chatroom with Epoman I suggested he make IHD a non-profit, to help cover the costs and also so he could create new resources for patients, rather than having patients pay for Premium memberships. He was furious. I didn't understand why he got so mad. The room got silent except for me and him. First, he didn't really want input from someone so new to the site  :oops; and he also felt that between Premium memberships and t-shirt and merchandise sales he could keep IHD going, without advertisers or donors. He wanted members to be free to say what they wanted, to rant or share without worrying about alienating a sponsor or corporation. That's why he created IHD. We are still doing it that way and it works pretty well. That being said, I would love to have more money to organize IHD meet-ups all over the world. Sluff and I have talked of someday having an emergency fund to help members who are struggling to pay for meds or treatment. It would be cool to give our moderators a bonus someday, to thank them for their endless hours of volunteer time. And I wish we made more, because Epoman's widow Trina still has to kick in cash for upgrades and software problems. But I am proud to say each year it gets better, and that's thanks to our Premium Members and those of you who buy from our online store!
I love your vision though Meinuk! And by the way, I do have a corner office - it's right off my diningroom!  :rofl;
Personally, I never liked DIE-ALYSIS because I did not want to imagine Jenna dying. But I understand where Epoman was coming from - he had a wicked sense of humor. We'll discuss whether it should stay or go with our admin team. Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

okarol/admin
Title: Re: My dialysis center's complaint about IHD.com
Post by: Poppylicious on January 15, 2011, 08:49:54 AM
I don't think I've ever noticed the DIE-lysis in the tag-line at the top until this thread brought it to my attention.  I really must start paying more attention to things ...

 ;D

And for what it's worth, I like 'I Hate Dialysis' ... it's honest and to the point, and it was partly what drew me in to take a gander.