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« on: May 10, 2008, 07:19:00 PM »


 
A Black Columnist on Obama



Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun



It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.



We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.



The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the front-runner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.



Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton.  Never in my life have I seen a presidential front-runner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.

Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant.  Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America. But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial 'beauty.'



Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.



Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on 'the rich.' How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.



Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, 'All praise and glory to God!' but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have 'hijacked' - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois, he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.



The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of 'bringing America together' means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs. 



But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.



It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilization war.




 



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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2008, 07:31:34 PM »

Ken Blackwell--- don't even need to comment.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 07:34:42 PM »

what are you saying paris, that what he is saying is not true?
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2008, 07:41:03 PM »

He's highly partisan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Blackwell

He's married into the Bush world view
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2008, 07:44:57 PM »

He's certainly been the subject of much controversy and also of a number of lawsuits.  It's always a bit amusing to me, as a Canadian, how dirty a word "liberal" seems to be south of our border while much of Europe seems not to struggle with it at all.


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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 08:59:08 PM »

He's certainly been the subject of much controversy and also of a number of lawsuits.  It's always a bit amusing to me, as a Canadian, how dirty a word "liberal" seems to be south of our border while much of Europe seems not to struggle with it at all.


Nice photo Monrein.

Ok back on topic.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 07:51:01 AM »

but is what he says true? 
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2008, 09:36:29 AM »

He's highly partisan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Blackwell

He's married into the Bush world view

It doesnt matter if he is partisan because much of what he says is factual, not opinion.

Partisan only matters when it is about opinion.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2008, 12:01:06 PM »

Simply because Senator Obama's opinions are not what you consider to be "middle America" opinions, does not mean that they are wrong or in any way not valid.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2008, 12:05:39 PM »

they are not wrong in his mind, David but they are really to far to the left for at least me. Along with the fact that he is very inexperienced with very little history of being for or against anything based on his voting record...Boxman
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2008, 12:11:17 PM »

our health care system is the strongest in the world.
By what measure? We don't have the best outcomes. We are the least economically efficient.

Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on 'the rich.'
He promises to reverse the Bush tax cuts which in a time of war were not asked for by those who benefited. Obama will take us back to the '90s level of taxation.

Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have 'hijacked' - hijacked - Christianity
Christian leaders have equated support of the Republican party with religiosity yet a majority of Catholics self identify as Democrats a change since 2004

These are radical left, Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.
Public opinion on the Supreme Court which shows that a plurality of people like the Court fine as is, but the number of people who think it's too conservative is substantially larger than the number of people who think it's too liberal.
http://www.pollingreport.com/Court.htm

Socialize medicine
Show me where Obama has said that the state should control the means of production or nationalize healthcare delivery - i.e. buyout or take over DaVita

Obama's fifty state voting drive is more than a voting drive: "On election day, Obama might have more than a million individuals volunteering on his behalf. That should scare the beejeesus out of the McCain campaign and the RNC." http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/pay_to_attention_to_obamas_vot.php

McCAin's base right now according to polls is among seniors who are largely saying they'll vote for him but there's no telling how many McCainiac seniors will be swayed by the Obama campaign pointing out that McCain has spent years waging war on Social Security and Medicare and basically thinks everyone should get on the "marry a wealthy heiress" retirement plan, but it's going to be more than zero people. Seniors have already heard a good deal of the sort of culture war attacks on Obama that are likely to be the biggest thing driving them toward McCain, but they've heard essentially nothing of the retirement policy attacks on McCain that are likely to be the biggest thing driving them toward Obama. Consequently, Obama's senior deficit is very big. But he's winning anyway, and though he'll probably never close the senior gap he'll almost certainly narrow it.
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/04-week/

These foreign policy complaints seem to be saying that we should continue the disastrous policy of the last seven years of not talking to any state we have are opposed to - this policy can’t end soon enough. US foreign policy is in tatters and it will be a big job to try to fix - one thing that will be helpful will be dialog.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2008, 12:16:16 PM »

Why has he missed so many votes when he can email or text message them to congress.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2008, 12:24:34 PM »

he plans to raise taxes on everyone and everything not just the rich who pay most of the tax anyway. All the people who are considered lower middle or poor don't pay in anyway they just get. We also all know that raising taxes doesn't create growth for anything. Lowering them does. Proven fact...Boxman

Supreme court poll is a joke. You can skew any poll anyway
But Christian's still hold to their core beliefs
He has no foreign policy (at least I have not heard any) except his stand on Israel which he said he would not protect if Iran attacks
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2008, 12:27:20 PM »

Bill, you are correct.  Many columnists are out to present a one-sided viewpoint or to advance their own viewpoint for whatever reason.  We, as informed citizens need to look at the candidates' positions from alternate sources in order to avoid having the information given to us through someone else's biased filter.  Although it is sometimes difficult to obtain unbiased information, we should make a good faith effort to do so in order to be able to form our own opinions.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2008, 12:32:10 PM »

My point is David, what are his positions? I don't hear anything but his mantra "change" what the heck does that mean. Can you tell me?...Boxman
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2008, 12:34:39 PM »

He has pages and pages of position papers and white papers and legislation he has authored, speech after speech on policy topics. If you haven't seen them you haven't looked  - start with his own web site
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2008, 12:41:03 PM »

He has pages and pages of position papers and white papers and legislation he has authored, speech after speech on policy topics. If you haven't seen them you haven't looked  - start with his own web site

Thanks, Bill!  I was just about to post this same advice!  It is a good place to start, and the same can be said of the rest of the candidates for President.  Don't simply accept as gospel what some columnist chooses to print.  Do some research of your own, and you just may be surprised by what your find.
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My point is David, what are his positions? I don't hear anything but his mantra "change" what the heck does that mean. Can you tell me?...Boxman


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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2008, 02:06:22 PM »

Why has he missed so many votes when he can email or text message them to congress.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/

You must be physically present to vote. Where's this idea of emailing votes coming from?
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2008, 04:18:49 PM »



Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on 'the rich.'
He promises to reverse the Bush tax cuts which in a time of war were not asked for by those who benefited. Obama will take us back to the '90s level of taxation.


Hmm the Bush tax cuts benefited everyone and in fact resulted in the rich actually have more of the burden in taxes paid.

Taxes under CLINTON 1999                                 Taxes under BUSH 2008

Single making 30K - tax $8,400                             Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $14,000                           Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $23,250                           Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $16,800                         Married making 60K- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $21,000                         Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $38,750                       Married making 125K - tax $31,250


So in effect Obama would like to nearly double the tax on some.

Also it should be noted that AFTER these tax cuts the US government took in more revenue in taxes because of the corresponding growth rate caused by these tax cuts than it has at anytime in its history.  It is well noted that revenue coming into the federal government during Clintons terms was declining because these high taxes.


http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/reports/revenue%20growth.jpg
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2008, 04:41:54 PM »

Studies by the Congressional Budget Office, the Joint Committee on Taxation, and the Administration itself show that tax cuts do not come anywhere close to paying for themselves over the long term.  CBO and Joint Tax Committee studies find that, if financed by government borrowing, tax cuts are more likely to harm than to help the economy over the long run, and consequently would cost more than conventional estimates indicate, rather than less.  Moreover, in its recent “dynamic analysis” of the impact of making the President’s tax cuts permanent, the Treasury Department reported that even under favorable assumptions, extending the tax cuts would have only a small effect on economic output.  That small positive economic impact would offset no more than 10 percent of the tax cuts’ cost.

http://www.cbpp.org/3-8-06tax.htm

Raw revenue numbers don't tell the story - you have to look at where we are in the business cycle for one.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2008, 05:09:49 PM »

During Clintons terms the revenue was falling.

Its very clear after the tax cuts that revenue reached its highest level ever.

Also I doubt you will find anyone who will say they would like to give up the several thousand dollars they have got to keep and spend on their families for things they need and want and return to the time of paying it to the government.

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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2008, 05:23:20 PM »

I voted for a president that said "read my lips, no new taxes"----- and what happened?? Oh yeah, new taxes.   
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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2008, 07:37:17 PM »

...It's always a bit amusing to me, as a Canadian, how dirty a word "liberal" seems to be south of our border while much of Europe seems not to struggle with it at all.

Not to all of us, Monrein. I kind of liked the statement that he's the next George McGovern. In 1972, I was marginally too young to vote, but plenty old enough to participate in his campaign. George McGovern has very recently endorsed Barack Obama for president. Regarding his mantra of "change", as a very general comment I favor him because he is the most different from who we have now. One of the more significant things a president can do is to set the mood of the government and the country. The current mood accepts invasions of sovereign nations, allows certain prisoners to be held without due process, turns a blind eye to torture, and accepts our privacy being legislated away.  We have a problem with this when we see it in other countries, why is it okay here?

It is not okay. Monrein, I am more than happy to be called liberal. And, it is time for a change.

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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2008, 08:03:43 PM »

Sorry but I have no use for sovereign nations who advocate terrorist attacks on the United States. If Bin Laden had been a Nazi, he would have been caught and punished a long time ago. Terrorism is a current and imminent danger and i don't agree with the "turn the other cheek" philosophy.
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