I went to see "Sicko"

[Peter]

I went to see Michael Moore's new film "Sicko" today, and I gotta say, it was very eye-opening.

[Black]

Was it accurate?  His others have been deceptive, dishonest, and biased.

[Peter]

It does seem to be fairly accurate. As a dialysis patient, I'd hate to be forced to have to pay for it. (Though I'm from Canada, so I don't have HMO/insurance issues.)

[goofynina]

Was it accurate?  His others have been deceptive, dishonest, and biased.

Black?  I havent seen any of his movies but i have heard just the opposite of them (t.v. interviews and such)  Would they let him actually make a movie (a documentary at that) if it was dishonest.  I am just really curious about the views on him, i've heard more good than bad.   

*just a reminder, there is to be absolutely no talk of dialysis whatsoever in this thread*  thank you

[jbeany]

goofy, it's gonna be hard to talk about the movie without discussing dialysis - it's all about health care, especially those who have insurance and still can't afford the treatment they need.

Black, I haven't seen the movie, but what I've read shows that he's gotten real patients with real problems in it.  Using true stories doesn't necessarily mean he's not biased, though.  He wouldn't be Moore if he didn't pile on the rhetoric.

Goofy, if you have someone who will pay for the production costs, anyone can make a documentary from any viewpoint, and cherry pick the facts they want to talk about.  "Documentary" just means that they are using things filmed live, not from a script.  It doesn't offer any guarantees that they are filming reliable people or not editing it to suit their views. 

[LightLizard]

i've seen all of moore's films and i feel that he makes valid points that need to be heard.
'bowling for columbine' was a masterpiece, as far as i'm concerned.
the few previews and interviews i've seen about 'sicko' show that he's on the ball, but he does tend to make slight errors in his haste to condemn the american system. canada does have some problems that he didn't mention. i waited in emergency for 8 hours when i was rushed to the hospital with infected legs (from fluid buildup and vasculitis)- and unlike the point he made in ...columbine, that canadians don't have to lock their doors at night, most canadians DO lock their doors at night. there aren't as many people with guns, but there are enough crazies to go around, believe me!

[BigSky]

I would agree with Black.

I have seen a number of moores movies and that description about them is dead on.


Bowling for columbine was a POS full of lies from the beginning.  Fahrenheit 9/11 was full of all kinds of bs and lies also.

[LightLizard]

yeah, right, nobody was killed at columbine or any other school in the ststes, ever, what a bunch of liars, hey?
 

[Peter]

yeah, right, nobody was killed at columbine or any other school in the ststes, ever, what a bunch of liars, hey?
 

And Kmart didn't stop selling ammunition.

[BigSky]

yeah, right, nobody was killed at columbine or any other school in the ststes, ever, what a bunch of liars, hey?
 

If you think the movie was just about columbine you never paid much attention during your screening of it.

[LightLizard]

i've seen the movie more than once. columbine was the focus for a wide-reaching, mostly ignored problem. who else is talking about it? moore is great, and no amount of blind bigotry can change that.

[BigSky]

i've seen the movie more than once. columbine was the focus for a wide-reaching, mostly ignored problem. who else is talking about it? moore is great, and no amount of blind bigotry can change that.

 

Evidently you bought into moores lies a little to easily.

But hey, since you are from Canada.  Explain to us just  how "truthful" that scene was about moore just going up to the counter in a Canadian Walmart and being able to buy ammo with no identification, even more so to his claim that he could buy as much of it as he wanted in the same manner.

[Sluff]

Sorry I wouldn't give  to see anything from Moore.

[glitter]

the words biased and unethical come to mind when you mention M.Moore. He insults my intelligence, I still cannot beleive that people buy his brand of censored rhetoric. Propaganda is designed to make you think a certain way- instead of thinking for yourself.

[LightLizard]

its not suprising that so many americans would be offended by moore's efforts to bring awareness to certain, uncomfortable issues.
when you live a lie, truth seems very strange, and hard to take.

[okarol]

its not suprising that so many americans would be offended by moore's efforts to bring awareness to certain, uncomfortable issues.
when you live a lie, truth seems very strange, and hard to take.

Live a lie? Wow that's a pretty mean accusation.
Where's my pistol???

[paris]

We aren't "living a lie".  Can we discuss without offending each others countries or believes?

[LightLizard]

when you're offended by the truth, it's time to take stock.
HMO's are not what they should be.
a liar is in the whitehouse.
why be offended at somebody who has the guts to say it?
just besaue moore's work isd disliked by someone, does that mean that he is a 'POS' as someone said?
just because you don't like him, it doesn't mean there's something wrong with him.
and just because i like him, doesn't mean he's perfect, either.
it's all a matter of taste, and how sensitive someone is to criticism.
no country or nation is 'the best in the world' -
that is arrogant BS. every country says they are the best, and they can't all be right.
that does not mean that the country with the most bombs and the biggest army can
force the rest of the world to buy that crap.

[BigSky]

 

Moore tell the truth???

His only objective was to bring money to his pocketbook and that was it.

Moore deliberately mislead viewers in how he did BFC and 9/11.


Just like his scene in Canada buying the ammo.

Since you didnt answer,

The truth is moore could not buy ammo like he claims he did in that scene, now can he.  In fact for him to buy ammo in Canada he has to present identification.   

Odd isnt it how moore even refused to submit to Canadian police to answer questions about his little "STAGED" scene.

Also you might note no one in this thread called moore a POS.

[okarol]

There are lots of things that could be improved about the US healthcare system.

But that doesn't mean Michael Moore gives an accurate portrayal.

I won't waste my money to see Sicko, but I did enjoy reading this review http://www.nypost.com/seven/06192007/entertainment/movies/botched_operation_movies_kyle_smith.htm?page=0

[glitter]

when you're offended by the truth, it's time to take stock

who says your opinion is the truth? I think you are biased against my country - you can twist things however you like.(Just like Moore)

[paris]

Well said, Gllitter!

[LightLizard]

when you're offended by the truth, it's time to take stock

who says your opinion is the truth? I think you are biased against my country - you can twist things however you like.(Just like Moore)

aparrently, so can you. it's not just 'my' opinion.
ask the world.

[bdpoe]

If you are well off and have a fantastic health plan you may not feel that there is a very serious health care problem here in the USA that is a significant threat to our national security.

Mr. Moore's numbers may be off a little but the government's "official" numbers are way off and real
propaganda.

.....bd

[Black]

There are lots of things that could be improved about the US healthcare system.

But that doesn't mean Michael Moore gives an accurate portrayal.

I won't waste my money to see Sicko, but I did enjoy reading this review http://www.nypost.com/seven/06192007/entertainment/movies/botched_operation_movies_kyle_smith.htm?page=0

Thanks, Karol.  As I suspected, it as objective and unbiased as his other lying crap, which he tried to pass off as a "documentaries".