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« on: June 01, 2007, 08:34:38 AM »

Today I woke up totally overwhelmed.  Our financial situation is a total mess right now.  My husband has a very low paying job as a bill collector.  I had to quit my job and go on disability.  I was the major wage earner in our family.  I can ususally count my blessings to get out of it but I am very frustrated today.  I have been babysitting for a little extra money for a friend of mine,  and she just moved into a milllion dollar house.  Another friend of mine was telling me about the vacation she is planning for Europe this summer. 

It just seems so unfair that they are able to have things I may never have.  I have had kidney failure since I was 19 years old.  For the past 20 years I have had overwhelming medical bills, even when I had a transpant.  We are never going to have a lot of money.  I try not to be jealous, but it is so hard.  There is really no answer except life if unfair.  How do you handle these feelings?
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2007, 08:47:54 AM »

 :cuddle; Bette,
I am sorry for this stress on you.
If I was there I'd give you a big {{{HUG}}}!
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2007, 10:43:14 AM »

I'm sorry.   :cuddle;

Check out www.frugalvillage.com/forums - I've found this website to be very helpful, they are just full of ideas. 
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2007, 11:46:06 AM »

Today I woke up totally overwhelmed.  Our financial situation is a total mess right now.  My husband has a very low paying job as a bill collector.  I had to quit my job and go on disability.  I was the major wage earner in our family.  I can ususally count my blessings to get out of it but I am very frustrated today.  I have been babysitting for a little extra money for a friend of mine,  and she just moved into a milllion dollar house.  Another friend of mine was telling me about the vacation she is planning for Europe this summer. 

It just seems so unfair that they are able to have things I may never have.  I have had kidney failure since I was 19 years old.  For the past 20 years I have had overwhelming medical bills, even when I had a transpant.  We are never going to have a lot of money.  I try not to be jealous, but it is so hard.  There is really no answer except life if unfair.  How do you handle these feelings?

I know it sounds trite and sappy but even though you may have a lot of money it doesn't make you happier, it does not bring you good health and money does make the pain go away.  Ask Lindsay Lohan that, why does she do drugs and drink to excess?? this girl is beautiful, rich, has anything she wants, can buy anything she wants. Why do they act like that? To kill the mental pain she/they have.  Yeah it's fun to have and spend but in the end what do you have that's really important? LOVE of friends and family.  All the money in the world can't buy love and friendship,  Well it can BUY friends but who wants people like that around anyway??? 
Sorry about your troubles I hope you find a way to deal with everything.

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2007, 01:57:27 PM »

Bette, first of all, here is a great big Goofynina hug  :cuddle;  I know exactly what you are going through, my financial status, well, let's just say, we're pretty much screwed, lol, but i cant do a damn thing about it, and i am sorry, i am probably the one your hubby has been trying to collect from, please tell him to give up cuz i just dont have the money to pay, and the money i do have, i am saving to take a trip to Vegas in October to meet an awesome group of people.  Yep, my friends are all taking trips and yep, they are all buying new cars and new houses and new clothes and blah blah blah, but i dont care cuz i know the love that me and my hubby has NO ONE else has and that makes me richer (and happier) than anyone in this world!!!  Donna (Meadow) is sooo right, money does not buy happiness or health my friend, look around you, i am sure you will find treasures that you have had all along.  Please be happy and enjoy life the way it is, i know it sounds corny but believe me, it makes a world of difference.  God Bless you and remember, Goofy loves ya ;)  :cuddle;
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2007, 02:18:16 PM »

I know it wont make you fell any better but i think we are all broke !. I am on my own and have to watch every penny, i have to watch a friend show me her latest dress/shoes/handbag. At least you have a loving family be happy for that .
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2007, 06:43:31 PM »

Most of us are in the same boat, gosh i'm working the pole  :bandance; to pay for my trip to Vegas to meet all these awsome people.. :angel;
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2007, 07:46:36 PM »

Thanks for the support.  My hubby and I cooked tacos at home tonight and had a good talk.  I feel a lot better.  I really liked the frugal living site.  It gave me some great ideas on how to stretch the  :twocents; I have.
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2007, 07:51:18 PM »

Thanks for the support.  My hubby and I cooked tacos at home tonight and had a good talk.  I feel a lot better.  I really liked the frugal living site.  It gave me some great ideas on how to stretch the  :twocents; I have.

 :clap;  So happy your feeling a little better Bette, no one better to talk to than the hubby huh? ;)  (and of course all of us too)  :2thumbsup;  We love you and we care girlfriend, and remember, your not alone, none of us are ever alone, we have each other  :grouphug;
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2007, 05:38:29 AM »

Just an idea to make the pennies stretch further ! . I have started to grow my own fruit and veg , seeing i cant cope with heavy gardening , i am doing it all in containers!  Lovely fresh veg , yay, and do you know what i am getting hooked , its great to watch it all grow!  :wine;
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2007, 06:14:37 AM »

if it wasn't for my daughter, i'd be living under a bridge. i'm out of money by the 15th of the month. you definitely are not alone!
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2007, 08:29:06 AM »

Glad to hear your spirits are up.  Dealing with a chronic illness has it's moments.  I was down for the first 4-5 months and have since pulled myself up.  There are always going to be hills and vallies for me, good days and not so good days, but in the big picture I can see more good than bad so I guess I just look forward to the good ones.

Money, possessions, and attachment can all be killers of the mind and spirit.  I do my best not to be consumed by any of them and when I see or hear of people attempting to heal sadness or achieve happiness by material items I feel a sort of sympathy for them.  Sure it can feel good to go on a shopping spree, or buy a new this or that but how long does that feeling last?  How long is it until you "need" something else to "feel it" again?  Its a neverending, vicious cycle.  We all have something in our lives that can bring a true happiness if we know where to look.
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2007, 08:54:51 AM »

Yes,  I understand exactly what you are going through.  Thinking obout my financial situation seems like there is no solution or way out.  I can forsee myself filed for bankcruptcy in the future even though I am not in heavy debt now after the kidney transplant.  I am in the same boat.

A year ago, I was very bitter about how my life have turned out and so often compared myself to my peer.  But when I joined IHD site, I learned to accept and let go of the past.  Health and Happiness.  Love and Friendship here Priceless. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2007, 01:30:31 PM »

"At the beginning of our life is birth, during which we suffer, and at the end of our life is death, during which we also suffer.  Between these two come aging and illness.  No matter how wealthy you are or how physically fit you are, you have to suffer through these circumstances."

"On top of this comes discontentment.  You want more and more and more.  This, in a sense, is real poverty - always to be hungry, hungry, hungry with no time to be satisfied.  Others might not be rich, but contentment provides them with fewer worries, fewer enemies, fewer problems, and very good sleep.  On more than one occasion, when I have visited very nice homes in rich communities, I have peeked inside the medicine chest in the bathroom and found some medications to provide energy for the day and others to induce sleep at night.  Contentment might do both of these jobs better since it reduces anxiety during the day, paving the way for sleeping peacefully."

"In the frenzy of modern life we loose sight of the real value of humanity.  People become the sum total of what they produce.  Human beings act like machines who's function is to make money.  This is absolutely wrong.  The purpose of making money is the happiness of humankind, not the other way around.  Humans are not for money, money is for humans.  We need enough to live, so money is necessary, but we also need to realize that if there is too much attachment to wealth it does not help at all.  As the saints of India and Tibet tell us, the wealthier one becomes, the more suffering one endures."

"..... Consider the pleasure of eating.  Today I had some delicious food.  When I ate it, it was beautiful, but as it passed through my stomach and intestines, it changed into something not so beautiful.  When eating, we avoid noticing that this is what happens, and we take pleasure, thinking, "Oh, now this is a very good meal!  I am really pleased."  But that beautiful food gradually passes through my body, and finally goes into the toilet in a form nobody regards as beautiful.  This stuff that people regard as very dirty actually is made in this human body.  In a way, making stool is a principal function of our bodies!"

"Eating. working, and making money are meaningless in themselves.  However, even a small act of compassion grants meaning and purpose to our lives."

Dalai Lama - How to Practice The Way to a Meaningful Life
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2007, 02:02:05 PM »

Yes,  I understand exactly what you are going through.  Thinking obout my financial situation seems like there is no solution or way out.  I can forsee myself filed for bankcruptcy in the future even though I am not in heavy debt now after the kidney transplant.  I am in the same boat.

A year ago, I was very bitter about how my life have turned out and so often compared myself to my peer.  But when I joined IHD site, I learned to accept and let go of the past.  Health and Happiness.  Love and Friendship here Priceless. 

This, my friends, is what we are all about, not only this damned disease but just like St789 put it Love and Friendship here, Priceless :) (well said my friend)  :wine;

"At the beginning of our life is birth, during which we suffer, and at the end of our life is death, during which we also suffer. Between these two come aging and illness. No matter how wealthy you are or how physically fit you are, you have to suffer through these circumstances."

"On top of this comes discontentment. You want more and more and more. This, in a sense, is real poverty - always to be hungry, hungry, hungry with no time to be satisfied. Others might not be rich, but contentment provides them with fewer worries, fewer enemies, fewer problems, and very good sleep. On more than one occasion, when I have visited very nice homes in rich communities, I have peeked inside the medicine chest in the bathroom and found some medications to provide energy for the day and others to induce sleep at night. Contentment might do both of these jobs better since it reduces anxiety during the day, paving the way for sleeping peacefully."

"In the frenzy of modern life we loose sight of the real value of humanity. People become the sum total of what they produce. Human beings act like machines who's function is to make money. This is absolutely wrong. The purpose of making money is the happiness of humankind, not the other way around. Humans are not for money, money is for humans. We need enough to live, so money is necessary, but we also need to realize that if there is too much attachment to wealth it does not help at all. As the saints of India and Tibet tell us, the wealthier one becomes, the more suffering one endures."

"..... Consider the pleasure of eating. Today I had some delicious food. When I ate it, it was beautiful, but as it passed through my stomach and intestines, it changed into something not so beautiful. When eating, we avoid noticing that this is what happens, and we take pleasure, thinking, "Oh, now this is a very good meal! I am really pleased." But that beautiful food gradually passes through my body, and finally goes into the toilet in a form nobody regards as beautiful. This stuff that people regard as very dirty actually is made in this human body. In a way, making stool is a principal function of our bodies!"

"Eating. working, and making money are meaningless in themselves. However, even a small act of compassion grants meaning and purpose to our lives."

Dalai Lama - How to Practice The Way to a Meaningful Life

George, thank you so much for posting this, it has opened my eyes to some things.  I like this Dalai Lama guy, who is he?  I think you should invite him to become a member  ::)  ;)  (oh how i wish)  :bow;
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2007, 07:07:53 PM »

I think we all relate to the money problems.  Even my co-pays add up to around $250 and add all the other crap on top of that. This was suppose to be the easy time in my husband's and my life and I hate that I have caused so much financial burden on him. He should be thinking of taking things easier, but our whole life revolves around health insurance - so he must keep working. And it does seem like everyone else is living life large - but we can't so,  we make the best of a bad situation.  I try to enjoy little things more--------but winning the lottery sure would be nice!  I would pay for everyone to go to Vegas in October!!! :bandance;
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2007, 12:50:04 PM »

Thanks for a wonderful passage George Jung.


Let us all pray for Paris to win the lottery so we would all be there.  Dreams do come true.
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2007, 06:09:41 PM »

i have no quotes to make you feel better im sorry. What i can tell you is this people that do have money also have power. I have known some rich people in my life and i asked one once how he felt he said keith don't beleive what you hear. It's great to have money because with that comes power and privilege. We would like to think in our mind that it's not true but it is of course not for everybody. I am so sorry for the things that are caused by a chronic illness. If we were middle class before, now we become lower. I would never say these things if i wasn't where you are. I have had kidney disease since i was 11. I am 51 now have had three marriages. The only thing i own is my truck. I live on SS. I live in a two room little cottage. I have no one to answer to. I have lost everything i own three times. I have gone bankrupt. I think about winning a lottery or finding a load of money. But i know i never will. Life is cruel, some of us never even get a hang nail grow old and die. And some of us go through everyday hoping to have enough to scrape by. We go to thrift stores to buy the clothing the rich throw away. I know i am not going to go anywhere at this time of my life. I'm happy with that. It's ashame how life is. I would love to winn a lottery. I would bye that house i always wanted down the shore. A beautiful candy red sports car. I would sit on my porch and drink a expensive beer and think how happy i was now to finally have the money to live like i should. I heard this one time in a movie someone said; "There are 8,356 people alive in this world. The rest of us are dead." There is nothing wrong with the way you feel. Try your best not to let it get the best of you.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2007, 08:00:17 PM »

It is suck to be middle class in U.S and have chronic illness.

How many of us here can see ourselves grow old and have grandchildren like our peers.  I am typing this from a perspective of a young adult patient.  No matter how hard we work, we will never be financial independence because transplant then dialysis then transplant then dialysis.  Finally live on S.S if we are fortune enough to grow old gracely.

Well, enough of talk about $$$$$$$$.  Just glad I am still alive here today. 

Peace to all my brothers and sisters.  Continue to support each others here.
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