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« Reply #100 on: May 16, 2018, 12:25:12 PM »

Based solely on what we know as of today (which isn't a whole lot, to be honest), do you all think the summit scheduled for next month is going to happen. or not?

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« Reply #101 on: May 16, 2018, 01:03:51 PM »

Not now. I did but Kim Jong-Un's recent outburst and Trump's stubbornness make me think otherwise.














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« Reply #102 on: May 16, 2018, 02:57:24 PM »

I stand by my original prediction.

There are only two possible long term solutions. 

1. Accept NK as a nuclear power
2. War
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« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2018, 07:08:26 AM »

"There is no avoiding war.  It can only be postponed to the advantage of others" - Machiavelli
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« Reply #104 on: May 23, 2018, 05:30:02 PM »

Seems like both Un and Trump have strong reasons to meet so I still think it is more like to happen then not. I also think the logistics of getting Un to Singapore and back has not been resolved. Trump should pick Un up in Air Force One. Or for Un to get Trump to allow the meeting to happen at the DMZ. Un has the leverage so I could see Un getting the location changed. Is Bolton appearing on Fox? I haven't heard anything about/from him since Un called him out.

Big picture Un seems to be the one who has gained the most so far, if the summit does not happen Un would look to have greatly improved his position without giving up anything. They both would like it to happen but Trump needs something he can call a success more than Un. Trump is going to wing it and Un is following a plan that has already paid off. Not a recipe for success from the point of view of the US's interests.
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« Reply #105 on: May 24, 2018, 07:29:32 AM »

Trump cancels nuclear summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un
President Trump on Thursday canceled a planned summit next month with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, citing “tremendous anger and open hostility” from the rogue nation in a letter explaining his abrupt decision.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-cancels-nuclear-summit-with-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un/2018/05/24/e502d910-5f58-11e8-a4a4-c070ef53f315_story.html


What did Hillary do to make this happen?  :urcrazy;

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« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2018, 07:47:05 AM »

Like I said before, the only options are to accept NK as a nuclear power or war.
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« Reply #107 on: May 24, 2018, 11:47:51 AM »

B..bu...bu...but wait!  There was already a commemorative coin made and everything!   :stressed;

Thanks, Obama.   ::)
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« Reply #108 on: May 24, 2018, 04:25:42 PM »

So far the NK`s have pulled this crap on Regan, Clinton, and Bush jr.  Now we can add Presidunce Trump to the list.  The North has made repeated promises to stop the nuclear weapons program, every time the took the promised aid and continued or restarted the program. 
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« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2018, 09:02:19 PM »

Lucy and the football come to mind, with the US playing the role of Charlie Brown.
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« Reply #110 on: May 24, 2018, 09:45:17 PM »

Lucy and the football come to mind, with the US playing the role of Charlie Brown.

Absolutely a splendid analogy Arrrgh.
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« Reply #111 on: May 25, 2018, 01:18:35 AM »

Lucy and the football come to mind, with the US playing the role of Charlie Brown.

Absolutely a splendid analogy Arrrgh.

If I remember my Peanuts, the joke was that Charlie Brown was an idiot who fell for the machinations of his sister every time. So  yes, a perfect analogy.

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« Reply #112 on: May 25, 2018, 05:51:07 PM »


Lucy and the football come to mind, with the US playing the role of Charlie Brown.


Who is Schroeder? Find Schroeder he's the key.

Lucy is Linus's sister, Sally is Charlie's
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« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2018, 06:24:29 AM »

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I am not certain.  Does he have a cat in a box?
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« Reply #114 on: May 26, 2018, 10:27:24 AM »

Rerun is Lucy's little brother.....

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« Reply #115 on: May 26, 2018, 01:38:20 PM »

Schroeder was the kid playing the piano, Lucy had the hots for him, I don’t think Schroeder ever really noticed Lucy.  Peanuts was full of unrequited love, Charlie for the little red headed girl,Lucy for Schroeder, and Sally for Linus.
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« Reply #116 on: May 31, 2018, 12:55:28 PM »

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I am not certain.  Does he have a cat in a box?

He may or may not have a cat in a box. :P
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« Reply #117 on: May 31, 2018, 02:05:54 PM »

There is media report of a CIA analysis that KJU idea is of denuclearization is different than the US's but KJU is looking to open a burger joint in NK as a goodwill gesture. This is a fantastic opportunity for Trump to troll NYNY. Open a Five Guys in Pyongyang and New Yorkers will be bitching for years that Pyongyang got a Five Guys before them.
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« Reply #118 on: June 01, 2018, 10:35:38 AM »

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I am not certain.  Does he have a cat in a box?

He may or may not have a cat in a box. :P
So he may or may not have a cat in the box, and the cat may or may not be dead.   Does this mean four probabilistic states or three?
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« Reply #119 on: June 01, 2018, 08:47:01 PM »

He may or may not have a cat in a box. :P
So he may or may not have a cat in the box, and the cat may or may not be dead.   Does this mean four probabilistic states or three?


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« Reply #120 on: June 03, 2018, 06:36:38 AM »

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So you are saying that not having a dead cat in the box is the same state as not having a live cat in the box ???
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« Reply #121 on: June 03, 2018, 07:49:33 AM »

Since you cannot know if you have:
(A) A dead cat in the box.
(B) No dead cat in the box.
(C) No live cat in the box.
These states are the same state.

Thereby we have a choice of a live cat in a box, or any other state, thus using Schrödinger's interpretation of quantum mechanics (Schrödinger's Cat) we have only two real states.

Of course, you realise, this is all bollocks (although I'm sure the cat cares if it is dead, alive, or non existent).
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« Reply #122 on: June 03, 2018, 12:27:19 PM »

Since you cannot know if you have:
(A) A dead cat in the box.
(B) No dead cat in the box.
(C) No live cat in the box.
These states are the same state.
Leave a box with a dead cat in it on your porch for a few hot days in the summer, then tell me if it is the same state as a box with no dead cat or live cat in it.
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« Reply #123 on: June 04, 2018, 01:08:09 AM »

Schrödinger's original thought experiment worked on the theory that the box was totally sealed so that no sound, movement, etc. escaped it. I think that would seal in the smell of a rotting cat's corpse.
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« Reply #124 on: June 10, 2018, 03:18:15 PM »

What happens when two world leaders meet who:

(a) Never travel without a plethora of armed bodyguards
(b) Are protected by professionals who do not allow anyone without the highest level of clearance to be armed in the presence of the regent.

Would the US Secret Service really allow armed North Koreans in the room with Trump?   Would the fat boy go in unarmed to a meeting at which the US President was surrounded by armed Secret Service agents?

Just wondering how that worked.
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