Brexit to go?

[MooseMom]

I heard a guest on LBC radio who supports a second referendum make what I thought was an interesting point.  The first referendum was a constitutional vote to leave the EU.  A second referendum would be a vote on exactly what that exit would look like.

Now that there is a real possibility that there will be a no confidence vote on Mrs. May, there may be a whole new government in place before the end of March.  With so much uncertainty, people still don't know what Brexit will look like nor how much it will cost.  I don't see anything wrong with allowing people to have a good look at the final deal parameters and then deciding if this is the Brexit they want.

[MooseMom]

And consider this...what if the final form of Brexit isn't "leave -y" enough for some Brexiteers?  Wouldn't they want a say?

[kristina]

I heard a guest on LBC radio who supports a second referendum make what I thought was an interesting point.  The first referendum was a constitutional vote to leave the EU.  A second referendum would be a vote on exactly what that exit would look like.

What a great idea! This idea could go a long way!! What we need now is some people to convince our politicians about this great idea and we could be "up and running" very soon !

[Paul]

The problem with a revote is that it is undemocratic

You misunderstand my point. I'm not asking for a re-vote. I am asking for a vote for those people who were not allowed to vote before. Sorry but turning round and saying "My people have spoken, you don't get a say in this because WE want it, and you don't count" is most definitely fascism.

[Paul]

the only problem that could develop though, is the fact that many voting-decisions were made when you and/or I were youngsters and, too young to vote

Yeah but can you tell me of a single referendum that happened in England our time that was not about joining/leaving the EU? I cannot even think of one from far history.

Oh and recentlyish Scotland had a referendum over leaving the union, and the agreement was that if they did not get an "out" vote, they could have another referendum in "a generation's time", IE when the kids who did not vote in the first one were old enough to have their say (and they don't appear to be prepared to wait even that long).

[Paul]

I heard a guest on LBC radio who supports a second referendum make what I thought was an interesting point.  The first referendum was a constitutional vote to leave the EU.  A second referendum would be a vote on exactly what that exit would look like.

This is an entirely separate thing. It has been suggested by many people, demanded by some, but Mrs May said "NO".

[Paul]

What a great idea! This idea could go a long way!! What we need now is some people to convince our politicians about this great idea and we could be "up and running" very soon !

There are plenty of politicians who have been demanding it for ages, major topic of debate in parliament during Prime Minister's Question Time, and also on TV and radio on "Any Questions" and "Question Time". But as I said, our PM has said "No!"

[MooseMom]

Yeah, but she may not be PM by the time Brexit is unleashed!

[Simon Dog]

You misunderstand my point. I'm not asking for a re-vote. I am asking for a vote for those people who were not allowed to vote before. Sorry but turning round and saying "My people have spoken, you don't get a say in this because WE want it, and you don't count" is most definitely fascism.

And what of those who have lost their eligibility to vote (via death for example, which makes on ineligible to vote anywhere but Chicago)?   Are their votes backed out?

[MooseMom]

Simon Dog, that is not really an issue in the UK.

[Simon Dog]

Simon Dog, that is not really an issue in the UK.

You mean voters do not eventually die?   I know death does not preclude voting in Chicago, but did not know the UK had a similar procedure.

[MooseMom]

Yep.  Here in the UK you are On the roll forever and ever, Amen. Lol

[cassandra]

Simon Dog, that is not really an issue in the UK.

You mean voters do not eventually die?   I know death does not preclude voting in Chicago, but did not know the UK had a similar procedure.

No people in Britain just don't die. Don't look and it won't happen etc 

[Paul]

Yeah, but she may not be PM by the time Brexit is unleashed!

I think that is unlikely, as even those who really hate her realise that breaking in a new PM will set Brexit back. But I doubt she will last long after that.

[Paul]

And what of those who have lost their eligibility to vote (via death for example, which makes on ineligible to vote anywhere but Chicago)?   Are their votes backed out?

If you actually got someone to go along with this plan, how do you intend to work out how the dead people voted? A seance?

[kristina]

... Some "Brexit-fun" is just starting : ...  a very strange naked exhibitionist protested by "coming out of the woods" :  ... Dr. Victoria Bateman stripped off publicly as a protest during the TV-program: "Good Morning Britain" ... (Just imagine to watch such a debacle before breakfast) ... What next ? 

[MooseMom]

"What next?" is a very complicated question when it comes to Brexit.  Sounds like there's already a clothing shortage!  lol

[kristina]

"What next?" is a very complicated question when it comes to Brexit.  Sounds like there's already a clothing shortage!  lol

Well spotted MooseMom !
You might have a point about a clothing shortage ... 
By the way: Ms. Rachel Johnson admitted to have been inspired by Dr. Victoria Bateman when she herself publicly on TV took off her blouse to show that she was wearing nothing at all underneath ...
But ... what really bothers me most at the moment is a rather delicate question :  ...  How did Dr. Victoria Bateman finance her University studies ?   

[Paul]

Dr. Bateman did the same stunt on the "Today" program on BBC Radio Four, but it is not quite as effective on the radio as it is on TV!

I have the BBC news alerts on my 'phone, and after the program the BBC sent me a link to a film of the recording. John Humphreys looked most disapproving during the event.

[kristina]

Dr. Bateman did the same stunt on the "Today" program on BBC Radio Four, but it is not quite as effective on the radio as it is on TV!

I have the BBC news alerts on my 'phone, and after the program the BBC sent me a link to a film of the recording. John Humphreys looked most disapproving during the event.

... Of course, John Humphrys would disapprovingly look at the "event" ...
... After all, he is a gentleman ... Perhaps he was wondering, what the world is coming to ... ?

[Paul]

Ahh, it is not because he is a "gentleman", but because he  is an "OLD gentleman"! If he was a real gentleman his attitude would be "It is her body, she can do what she like with it." But being of the older generation his attitude was "She is a woman, thereby it is my decision as a man what she can do with her body."

IMHO, there are two types of people in this world:
!) Those who are happy to let a woman do what she likes with her own body.
2) Those who should be taken outside and shot.

There is no difference between someone who forces a woman to be a stripper or a whore against her will, and a person who stops a woman who wants to be a stripper or whore from being one. They are both controlling misogynistic b******s. Even if they themselves are women. These are not people you should tolerate.

 

[MooseMom]

This pretty much sums it up (WARNING:  not so nice language from time to time):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaBQfSAVt0s

[Paul]

Content blocked in Britain, which is bloody annoying as John Oliver is a British Comedian!

I don't know, you Americans steal our best comedians, then won't even let us watch them on YouTube. (Goes off muttering darkly.)

[MooseMom]

Really???!!!  He DID say that certain content would be blocked in Britain (the bit where we see the resounding vote against the PM because we're not allowed to see proceedings in Parliament on film in a comedy show), but you should be able to see the rest of the show on TV.  Perhaps just not on YouTube, though.  It's probably a copyright issue.  You've just got to try to find it showing somewhere if only to see the Dutch boy band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncHAwux70u8

(PS:  The comments are the best bit.  LOL!  Doesn't this song make you want to stay in the EU after all??  Surely it does!!)

[kristina]

Ahh, it is not because he is a "gentleman", but because he  is an "OLD gentleman"! If he was a real gentleman his attitude would be "It is her body, she can do what she like with it." But being of the older generation his attitude was "She is a woman, thereby it is my decision as a man what she can do with her body."

IMHO, there are two types of people in this world:
!) Those who are happy to let a woman do what she likes with her own body.
2) Those who should be taken outside and shot.

There is no difference between someone who forces a woman to be a stripper or a whore against her will, and a person who stops a woman who wants to be a stripper or whore from being one. They are both controlling misogynistic b******s. Even if they themselves are women. These are not people you should tolerate.

 

Hallo Paul,
This looks as if there is a serious misunderstanding taking place !
I must say that I have always been and still am very grateful to the half-naked "Ladies of the Night", because that gave girls like me a very good chance to get on with my own life - especially during my University years - when I could live alone without getting into dangerous situations or being harassed etc. ...
And Paul, I could not comment on your other statements because, to be honest, I don't quite understand where you are coming from and what you mean ...
I also could not comment what you mention about shooting etc. because I always have been and still am a pacifist ...
Best wishes from Kristina.
P.S. Could we please continue with the Brexit-discussion ?